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skwashdhi all00:11
skwashdi had a client google download 8.04 server (or something similar)00:12
skwashdjunior sys admin ended up downloading 8.04 from http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/00:12
skwashdhe didn't run the updates00:12
skwashdi know it is pretty clear that he should have00:12
skwashdcan i suggest that there be something a clearly shown at the top of all pages on old-releases.u.o telling people these are old releases and to grab the latest version from releases.u.o ?00:13
handheldCarskwashd: are you looking for #ubuntu-server ?00:14
handheldCaroh00:14
stasskwashd: depends on what iso he downloaded00:15
skwashdhe grabbed 8.04 cos that is what he was told we needed00:16
stasI can see there 8.04.300:16
skwashdfrom what i gather he is now having some trouble sitting comfortably  ;)00:16
stashe should since he didn't upgraded00:17
skwashdstas: yes ... but it doesn't make it clear to the inexperienced visitor that the releases are all out of date00:17
stasskwashd: it should not be written on website that you should keep the servers os up to date00:17
skwashdespecially now with 3 live server LTS releases hardy and dapper are both "old releases" in some people's minds00:17
stas8.04 lts is my favourite os for servers00:18
stasrock solid00:18
handheldCaractually, hardy won't be old until july and 10.04.100:18
skwashdstas: or me ... a sysadmin with 10yrs+ experience ... i always install updates post install00:18
stasskwashd: so I don't need to tell you :)00:19
skwashds/or/for00:19
stasit's his problem, either he installed lucid or hardy he now has updates for both00:19
skwashdall i am suggesting is that old-releases.ubuntu.org have some text with a link to releases.ubuntu.org00:19
skwashdstas: i am not saying he stuffed up ... i am just pointing out that there might be a case for making things easier for "human beings", rather than expecting everyone installing a server is an uber sysadmin00:21
skwashds/i am not saying he stuffed up/i am not saying he didn't stuff up00:21
skwashdman ... i need to wake up more before starting discussions on irc00:21
stasskwashd: yeah I understand what you're saying, actually my opinion is that old-releases should be closed since it's confusing00:22
skwashdstas: i think that it does serve some purpose ... especially for development and testing ... but i think it is too accessible for inexperienced users00:23
skwashdstas: is there somewhere on launchpad i should file a bug report? or is there no point?00:24
stasskwashd: I think mirror@ubuntu.com are the guys that maintain some of those servers, might be wrong anyway00:24
stasalso ping jpds he should know more00:24
stasand don't get mad if somebody's not responding, in europe its past midnight :)00:26
skwashdstas: what timezone is jpds in?00:26
staseurope i belive :)00:26
skwashdi know what time it is .eu - got clients there :)00:26
skwashdi will pm him and see what happens00:27
handheldCarIt's almost ironic that you're asking for a notice that releases on *old*-releases.u.o are *old*, but it's easy to miss a url.00:29
skwashdhandheldCar: but for a lot of people lucid is "current" ... dapper and hardy are "old"00:29
handheldCarreally, no one should use a ltr for production until it reaches .100:30
skwashdhandheldCar: best practice !== common practice00:31
skwashdpersonally i find ubuntu alphas quite stable and things start to go down hill from beta100:31
skwashdproduction servers are a different story tho :)00:31
stasi see no reason upgrading a hardy, maybe after they bring btrfs into it00:34
skwashdstas: for me glusterfs and a recent version of solr are 2 good reasons to run lucid servers00:36
stasyeah, those are good for clouds, but for home usage/standalone servers I can see no reasons00:38
stasthoug I think both can be backported into hardy (which I did with some newer packages I needed)00:39
* handheldCar is looking forward to btrfs too.00:41
skwashdfor completeness i discuss this with jpds and have filed a bug report against cdimages ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/58571908:02
ubot4Launchpad bug 585719 in ubuntu-cdimage "old-releases.ubuntu.com doesn't tell uses images are out of date (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]08:02
diekiI see the new website is up. Great job!14:05
diekiIt looks beautiful!14:06
diekiOn Chrome at least, the text on the navbar is a tad bit hard to read.14:07
diekiMethinks it's because of the 1px drop shadow.14:08
diekiThere are also stray pixels in the Forward\Backward buttons on the slideshow.14:10
diekiThat's a Chrome-only issue, it seems.14:11
dholbachhey newz200015:11
newz2000hey15:11
dholbachso yeah, I thought we'd do a clever thing by reusing a lot of the ubuntu.com theming instead of copying it around15:12
newz2000yeah, I did that too in one place15:12
newz2000dholbach: if you can get me the path to the files you need I can mirror it somewhere15:12
dholbachhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/439904/15:13
dholbachthat should be it as far as I can tell15:13
newz2000dholbach: ok, I'm tracing through a maze of links and redirects but I'll have something in a little bit15:14
newz2000it will likely be a short-term workaround15:14
* dholbach hugs newz200015:14
dholbachawesome15:14
newz2000Wow, there's nothign like wading through your 3 year old hand-written code to make you feel humble. :-)15:16
dholbach:-)15:16
mhall119newz2000: has anyone talked to you about missing ubuntu09.css after the website update?15:21
newz2000as a matter of fact, yes. :-)15:21
mhall119okay, is there anything I can do to facilitate getting it back to where it's avaialble to loco.ubuntu.com?15:21
dholbachmhall119: newz2000 is chasing redirects right now :)15:23
mhall119even if we can just get a copy of the file, we can add it to the loco-dir sources15:24
mhall119otherwise we have to patch in css from -r 9915:24
mhall119which is quite old now15:24
dholbachI'm sure newz can fix us up somehow15:24
mhall119I tried to see if it was any easy thing, but no luck15:24
reya276guys one thing I must say is that I love the way you guys used the grid layouts15:26
newz2000mhall119: I'm actively working on this right now so we'll have something soon15:26
staswow, when the update was rolled out? :)15:26
stascongrats btw15:27
newz2000dholbach, mhall119: try now15:37
newz2000And then we need to get these assets moved to a new source15:37
dholbachnewz2000: looks great15:38
dholbachhttp://loco.ubuntu.com15:38
newz2000dholbach: can you guys mirror the source into your local branch?15:39
newz2000until the work on the new branding is done?15:39
dholbachwill old branding always be wiped again?15:39
dholbachnewz2000: ^?15:40
newz2000dholbach: no guarantees15:41
newz2000consider it "buying time"15:41
dholbachthat's good to know, I thought that all the "node pages" could rely on the ubuntu.com theming somehow15:41
newz2000from Spads newz2000: but please get the word out if you can, this is a temporary stopgap15:41
newz2000dholbach: there is a community effort (right here in this channel) to make community themes with the new look15:41
dholbachright15:42
newz2000we'll be moving quick to get some work done on that so you can switch to the new look15:42
dholbachI'll copy it in for now - I was keen for us to inherit as much as possible and copy as little as possible15:42
newz2000dholbach: the new theme will have a base theme all the sub-sites can derive from so this model will be supported I believe15:44
dholbachok15:44
diekiWhen will the wiki.ubuntu.com theme be updated?15:47
dholbachnewz2000: is there going to be some kind of announce or is there a bug I subscribe myself to, so I know when we can drop all the nicked theming again?16:00
newz2000dholbach: I'm guessing that there's no intention to deliberately remove it, but instead it's just a bad idea to count on it being there16:00
dholbachnewz2000: I was a happy man when I thought we had removed all "copy / pasted" theming from our code and just maintained our own stuff16:02
mhall119thanks newz200016:19
newz2000;-)16:20
=== method_man_1 is now known as bihari
bihari?17:14
thorwilnewz2000: if you move from http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook to /server, the logo on the right "jumps"17:23
* newz2000 checks17:24
newz2000interesting17:24
knomenewz2000, the "server edition" slide is distracting17:26
knomenewz2000, the dots do not work that well on the arrows...17:26
newz2000ok, I think I might get overwhelmed with bug reports this way...17:27
newz2000I've posted thorwil's bug, knome: would you post yours to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/17:27
knomenewz2000, do you consider that a bug?17:27
newz2000if you put it there my project manager will forward it to the designers to consider17:28
knomeokay17:28
knomenewz2000, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/58594917:34
ubot4knome: Error: Bug #585949 is private.17:34
newz2000thanks knome17:34
knomeoh well... :)17:34
knomedo you want to be subscribed, or can you do that yourself?17:34
thorwilooh, do you want secret bug reports?17:38
* thorwil clears the backlog too soon sometimes17:38
bilalakhtarHello people, please see bug #58587318:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 585873 in ubuntu-website "Page http://www.ubuntu.com/how-can-it-be-free is unreadable (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58587318:43
bilalakhtaropk, I got it. Its an overlay. Thanks, people18:44
newz2000stas: thanks for taking the lead on that email. I think you should wait about 30 min or so to see if a reply comes through then just pick your favourite choices from the options you outlined and reply as such.19:37
newz2000that will spur people with a passion on the subject to quickly speak up, and in case no one has a strong opinion you can begin without delay19:37
newz2000regarding fixed vs. fluid, there are benefits to both and you're going to upset half the world which ever is chosen19:38
stasnewz2000: thanks, yeah you're right, if people don't get involved soon, they loose all the interest19:39
stasnewz2000: yeah, about that, we can get some fixed width for website and see something more fluid for forums and wiki if the problem gains popularity19:40
newz2000good plan19:40
stasI just always hope for the best, thats why I proposed it :)19:40
stasbasically the ubuntu-ru team work will give us a great boost if we accept it, but of course I would rewrite most of its html and css19:42
newz2000Someone has to take the reigns and drive it. :-)19:46
newz2000Ugh. kubuntu.19:54
DJonesIs this thr right place to ask why http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download says "64-bit - Not recommended for daily desktop usage" A few people have asked why it says that in #ubuntu today & it'd be useful to be able to give them an answer20:51
iantoDJones: Probably because simply most computers support 32bits but not all support 64bits in the home today20:56
DJonesianto: Quite possibly, just seems that the wording sounds a bit odd, as though the 64 bit isn't stable enough for everyday use20:58
iantoI guess it's just a step to avoid people downloading the wrong architecture and then having a bad experience with the OS,  i.e. it wouldn't boot from the disk at all for them21:00
newz2000hey ryanakca, around?22:19
ofirknewz2000: hi23:24
newz2000hey ofirk23:24
ofirknewz2000: just saw the new website23:24
ofirknewz2000: great work!23:24
newz2000thanks (on behalf of the team that did the work)23:25
newz2000ofirk: did you see the email I sent you a bit ago?23:25
ofirknewz2000: yeah, and I fixed it.23:25
ofirkThanks!23:25
newz2000awesome23:25
cjohnstonnewz2000: bug 58581623:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 585816 in ubuntu-website "No styling on: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/partners/ (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58581623:43
cjohnstonshould the new theme already be on all pages?23:43
cjohnstongot plenty of new bugs for ya23:43

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