skwashd | hi all | 00:11 |
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skwashd | i had a client google download 8.04 server (or something similar) | 00:12 |
skwashd | junior sys admin ended up downloading 8.04 from http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/ | 00:12 |
skwashd | he didn't run the updates | 00:12 |
skwashd | i know it is pretty clear that he should have | 00:12 |
skwashd | can i suggest that there be something a clearly shown at the top of all pages on old-releases.u.o telling people these are old releases and to grab the latest version from releases.u.o ? | 00:13 |
handheldCar | skwashd: are you looking for #ubuntu-server ? | 00:14 |
handheldCar | oh | 00:14 |
stas | skwashd: depends on what iso he downloaded | 00:15 |
skwashd | he grabbed 8.04 cos that is what he was told we needed | 00:16 |
stas | I can see there 8.04.3 | 00:16 |
skwashd | from what i gather he is now having some trouble sitting comfortably ;) | 00:16 |
stas | he should since he didn't upgraded | 00:17 |
skwashd | stas: yes ... but it doesn't make it clear to the inexperienced visitor that the releases are all out of date | 00:17 |
stas | skwashd: it should not be written on website that you should keep the servers os up to date | 00:17 |
skwashd | especially now with 3 live server LTS releases hardy and dapper are both "old releases" in some people's minds | 00:17 |
stas | 8.04 lts is my favourite os for servers | 00:18 |
stas | rock solid | 00:18 |
handheldCar | actually, hardy won't be old until july and 10.04.1 | 00:18 |
skwashd | stas: or me ... a sysadmin with 10yrs+ experience ... i always install updates post install | 00:18 |
stas | skwashd: so I don't need to tell you :) | 00:19 |
skwashd | s/or/for | 00:19 |
stas | it's his problem, either he installed lucid or hardy he now has updates for both | 00:19 |
skwashd | all i am suggesting is that old-releases.ubuntu.org have some text with a link to releases.ubuntu.org | 00:19 |
skwashd | stas: i am not saying he stuffed up ... i am just pointing out that there might be a case for making things easier for "human beings", rather than expecting everyone installing a server is an uber sysadmin | 00:21 |
skwashd | s/i am not saying he stuffed up/i am not saying he didn't stuff up | 00:21 |
skwashd | man ... i need to wake up more before starting discussions on irc | 00:21 |
stas | skwashd: yeah I understand what you're saying, actually my opinion is that old-releases should be closed since it's confusing | 00:22 |
skwashd | stas: i think that it does serve some purpose ... especially for development and testing ... but i think it is too accessible for inexperienced users | 00:23 |
skwashd | stas: is there somewhere on launchpad i should file a bug report? or is there no point? | 00:24 |
stas | skwashd: I think mirror@ubuntu.com are the guys that maintain some of those servers, might be wrong anyway | 00:24 |
stas | also ping jpds he should know more | 00:24 |
stas | and don't get mad if somebody's not responding, in europe its past midnight :) | 00:26 |
skwashd | stas: what timezone is jpds in? | 00:26 |
stas | europe i belive :) | 00:26 |
skwashd | i know what time it is .eu - got clients there :) | 00:26 |
skwashd | i will pm him and see what happens | 00:27 |
handheldCar | It's almost ironic that you're asking for a notice that releases on *old*-releases.u.o are *old*, but it's easy to miss a url. | 00:29 |
skwashd | handheldCar: but for a lot of people lucid is "current" ... dapper and hardy are "old" | 00:29 |
handheldCar | really, no one should use a ltr for production until it reaches .1 | 00:30 |
skwashd | handheldCar: best practice !== common practice | 00:31 |
skwashd | personally i find ubuntu alphas quite stable and things start to go down hill from beta1 | 00:31 |
skwashd | production servers are a different story tho :) | 00:31 |
stas | i see no reason upgrading a hardy, maybe after they bring btrfs into it | 00:34 |
skwashd | stas: for me glusterfs and a recent version of solr are 2 good reasons to run lucid servers | 00:36 |
stas | yeah, those are good for clouds, but for home usage/standalone servers I can see no reasons | 00:38 |
stas | thoug I think both can be backported into hardy (which I did with some newer packages I needed) | 00:39 |
* handheldCar is looking forward to btrfs too. | 00:41 | |
skwashd | for completeness i discuss this with jpds and have filed a bug report against cdimages ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/585719 | 08:02 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 585719 in ubuntu-cdimage "old-releases.ubuntu.com doesn't tell uses images are out of date (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] | 08:02 |
dieki | I see the new website is up. Great job! | 14:05 |
dieki | It looks beautiful! | 14:06 |
dieki | On Chrome at least, the text on the navbar is a tad bit hard to read. | 14:07 |
dieki | Methinks it's because of the 1px drop shadow. | 14:08 |
dieki | There are also stray pixels in the Forward\Backward buttons on the slideshow. | 14:10 |
dieki | That's a Chrome-only issue, it seems. | 14:11 |
dholbach | hey newz2000 | 15:11 |
newz2000 | hey | 15:11 |
dholbach | so yeah, I thought we'd do a clever thing by reusing a lot of the ubuntu.com theming instead of copying it around | 15:12 |
newz2000 | yeah, I did that too in one place | 15:12 |
newz2000 | dholbach: if you can get me the path to the files you need I can mirror it somewhere | 15:12 |
dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/439904/ | 15:13 |
dholbach | that should be it as far as I can tell | 15:13 |
newz2000 | dholbach: ok, I'm tracing through a maze of links and redirects but I'll have something in a little bit | 15:14 |
newz2000 | it will likely be a short-term workaround | 15:14 |
* dholbach hugs newz2000 | 15:14 | |
dholbach | awesome | 15:14 |
newz2000 | Wow, there's nothign like wading through your 3 year old hand-written code to make you feel humble. :-) | 15:16 |
dholbach | :-) | 15:16 |
mhall119 | newz2000: has anyone talked to you about missing ubuntu09.css after the website update? | 15:21 |
newz2000 | as a matter of fact, yes. :-) | 15:21 |
mhall119 | okay, is there anything I can do to facilitate getting it back to where it's avaialble to loco.ubuntu.com? | 15:21 |
dholbach | mhall119: newz2000 is chasing redirects right now :) | 15:23 |
mhall119 | even if we can just get a copy of the file, we can add it to the loco-dir sources | 15:24 |
mhall119 | otherwise we have to patch in css from -r 99 | 15:24 |
mhall119 | which is quite old now | 15:24 |
dholbach | I'm sure newz can fix us up somehow | 15:24 |
mhall119 | I tried to see if it was any easy thing, but no luck | 15:24 |
reya276 | guys one thing I must say is that I love the way you guys used the grid layouts | 15:26 |
newz2000 | mhall119: I'm actively working on this right now so we'll have something soon | 15:26 |
stas | wow, when the update was rolled out? :) | 15:26 |
stas | congrats btw | 15:27 |
newz2000 | dholbach, mhall119: try now | 15:37 |
newz2000 | And then we need to get these assets moved to a new source | 15:37 |
dholbach | newz2000: looks great | 15:38 |
dholbach | http://loco.ubuntu.com | 15:38 |
newz2000 | dholbach: can you guys mirror the source into your local branch? | 15:39 |
newz2000 | until the work on the new branding is done? | 15:39 |
dholbach | will old branding always be wiped again? | 15:39 |
dholbach | newz2000: ^? | 15:40 |
newz2000 | dholbach: no guarantees | 15:41 |
newz2000 | consider it "buying time" | 15:41 |
dholbach | that's good to know, I thought that all the "node pages" could rely on the ubuntu.com theming somehow | 15:41 |
newz2000 | from Spads newz2000: but please get the word out if you can, this is a temporary stopgap | 15:41 |
newz2000 | dholbach: there is a community effort (right here in this channel) to make community themes with the new look | 15:41 |
dholbach | right | 15:42 |
newz2000 | we'll be moving quick to get some work done on that so you can switch to the new look | 15:42 |
dholbach | I'll copy it in for now - I was keen for us to inherit as much as possible and copy as little as possible | 15:42 |
newz2000 | dholbach: the new theme will have a base theme all the sub-sites can derive from so this model will be supported I believe | 15:44 |
dholbach | ok | 15:44 |
dieki | When will the wiki.ubuntu.com theme be updated? | 15:47 |
dholbach | newz2000: is there going to be some kind of announce or is there a bug I subscribe myself to, so I know when we can drop all the nicked theming again? | 16:00 |
newz2000 | dholbach: I'm guessing that there's no intention to deliberately remove it, but instead it's just a bad idea to count on it being there | 16:00 |
dholbach | newz2000: I was a happy man when I thought we had removed all "copy / pasted" theming from our code and just maintained our own stuff | 16:02 |
mhall119 | thanks newz2000 | 16:19 |
newz2000 | ;-) | 16:20 |
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bihari | ? | 17:14 |
thorwil | newz2000: if you move from http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook to /server, the logo on the right "jumps" | 17:23 |
* newz2000 checks | 17:24 | |
newz2000 | interesting | 17:24 |
knome | newz2000, the "server edition" slide is distracting | 17:26 |
knome | newz2000, the dots do not work that well on the arrows... | 17:26 |
newz2000 | ok, I think I might get overwhelmed with bug reports this way... | 17:27 |
newz2000 | I've posted thorwil's bug, knome: would you post yours to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/ | 17:27 |
knome | newz2000, do you consider that a bug? | 17:27 |
newz2000 | if you put it there my project manager will forward it to the designers to consider | 17:28 |
knome | okay | 17:28 |
knome | newz2000, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/585949 | 17:34 |
ubot4 | knome: Error: Bug #585949 is private. | 17:34 |
newz2000 | thanks knome | 17:34 |
knome | oh well... :) | 17:34 |
knome | do you want to be subscribed, or can you do that yourself? | 17:34 |
thorwil | ooh, do you want secret bug reports? | 17:38 |
* thorwil clears the backlog too soon sometimes | 17:38 | |
bilalakhtar | Hello people, please see bug #585873 | 18:43 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 585873 in ubuntu-website "Page http://www.ubuntu.com/how-can-it-be-free is unreadable (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585873 | 18:43 |
bilalakhtar | opk, I got it. Its an overlay. Thanks, people | 18:44 |
newz2000 | stas: thanks for taking the lead on that email. I think you should wait about 30 min or so to see if a reply comes through then just pick your favourite choices from the options you outlined and reply as such. | 19:37 |
newz2000 | that will spur people with a passion on the subject to quickly speak up, and in case no one has a strong opinion you can begin without delay | 19:37 |
newz2000 | regarding fixed vs. fluid, there are benefits to both and you're going to upset half the world which ever is chosen | 19:38 |
stas | newz2000: thanks, yeah you're right, if people don't get involved soon, they loose all the interest | 19:39 |
stas | newz2000: yeah, about that, we can get some fixed width for website and see something more fluid for forums and wiki if the problem gains popularity | 19:40 |
newz2000 | good plan | 19:40 |
stas | I just always hope for the best, thats why I proposed it :) | 19:40 |
stas | basically the ubuntu-ru team work will give us a great boost if we accept it, but of course I would rewrite most of its html and css | 19:42 |
newz2000 | Someone has to take the reigns and drive it. :-) | 19:46 |
newz2000 | Ugh. kubuntu. | 19:54 |
DJones | Is this thr right place to ask why http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download says "64-bit - Not recommended for daily desktop usage" A few people have asked why it says that in #ubuntu today & it'd be useful to be able to give them an answer | 20:51 |
ianto | DJones: Probably because simply most computers support 32bits but not all support 64bits in the home today | 20:56 |
DJones | ianto: Quite possibly, just seems that the wording sounds a bit odd, as though the 64 bit isn't stable enough for everyday use | 20:58 |
ianto | I guess it's just a step to avoid people downloading the wrong architecture and then having a bad experience with the OS, i.e. it wouldn't boot from the disk at all for them | 21:00 |
newz2000 | hey ryanakca, around? | 22:19 |
ofirk | newz2000: hi | 23:24 |
newz2000 | hey ofirk | 23:24 |
ofirk | newz2000: just saw the new website | 23:24 |
ofirk | newz2000: great work! | 23:24 |
newz2000 | thanks (on behalf of the team that did the work) | 23:25 |
newz2000 | ofirk: did you see the email I sent you a bit ago? | 23:25 |
ofirk | newz2000: yeah, and I fixed it. | 23:25 |
ofirk | Thanks! | 23:25 |
newz2000 | awesome | 23:25 |
cjohnston | newz2000: bug 585816 | 23:43 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 585816 in ubuntu-website "No styling on: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/partners/ (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585816 | 23:43 |
cjohnston | should the new theme already be on all pages? | 23:43 |
cjohnston | got plenty of new bugs for ya | 23:43 |
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