[00:06] So, looks like binary compatibility was lost in 4.4.80. If we release, all applications not built against 4.5 will crash when their configuration dialogs open [00:06] e.g. kdepim + all universe KDE applications with settings dialogs [00:07] Upstream is aware of the issue [00:09] IMO we should not release public debs until the issue is resolved [00:09] +1 billion billion [00:10] technically if we push with lost binary compability we need to fiddle with the package soversion stuff IIRC (as seen with kde3's kdelibs for example) [00:10] that 4c2a business? [00:11] * JontheEchidna is without KMail now :( [00:11] GMail to the rescue [00:12] Also, I can't seem to get the Blur desktop effect to work, so the plasma popups are way too transparent :( [00:16] shouldn't that one be solvable by disabling blur? [00:17] why they not released the new version of kdepim? [00:17] lex79: KMail is a craptastic pile of fail at the moment [00:17] well, at least not ready, due to the akonadi port [00:18] ah yes [00:18] Sput: Neat, thanks [00:18] "craptastic pile of fail" is quite correct :) [00:18] JontheEchidna: did it work? [00:19] Sput: yes [00:19] good :) I hadn't tried myself, just read that somewhere [00:21] heh, two official systemsettings modules are in Lost and Found in System Settings [00:21] * JontheEchidna is not liking the schema change on a backwards-compat level [00:21] this puts me at a tough position as a third-party upstream [00:22] If I change it to work with 4.5, it won't work in 4.4 [00:22] and I can't exactly ifdef a .desktop file [00:23] is there a Lost and Found section in system settings now? or you meant lost and found in kickoff? [00:23] lost and found section is systemsettings [00:24] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopc12488-jpg.jpg [00:24] that's after a bit of fixing things, too [00:26] uhm, I don't like...too much icons in one window lol [00:27] kpackagekit had it's three icons in lost and found until I fixed it locally a minute ago [00:31] "Device Actions" could go inside "Removable Devices" [00:55] JontheEchidna: your desktop is the suck :P [00:57] JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/OWHxXkp.html [00:57] also, please note how my u1 kio slave is made to override all and any icon ^^ [01:01] lol [02:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527/KDE [02:52] Maybe someone could add this link to the title [02:52] ScottK ? ^^ [02:55] txwikinger: title? [02:56] topic [02:56] whatever [02:56] txwikinger: you can do that ^^ [02:56] oh ok [02:56] though #kubuntu-bugs might be the better place *shrug* === txwikinger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE merges: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MaverickKDEMerges | Kubuntu Bug Hug Day - 27 May 2010 - http://bit.ly/aRb0J5 [02:58] * ScottK gives txwikinger a motivational whack in the head to encourage more "do it yourself". [02:58] ScottK: Thanks ... did not know I have so much power :) [03:01] what is bug hug day about? [03:01] triaging the bugs? [03:02] Yes or even better fixing them if someone appropriate to the task is around. [03:02] I see [03:02] Today they are generally just about triaging, but back in the day it was all about getting stuff fixed. [03:02] persia can provide details. === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [03:36] nixternal: ping-a-lot [04:12] alteroo: yo yo [04:23] OK, I've got the whisky (note the correct spelling Riddell), so now time to mess with conffile renaming in preinst. [04:26] nixternal: Hallo :) === alteroo is now known as Daskreech === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [04:39] howdy [04:40] * JontheEchidna couldn't get his Fringe DVD to work with Linux and had to use Windows :( [04:41] DVDs are evil! [04:41] I am trying out netbook os'....just finished messing around with meego for a couple of hours [04:41] sad that it doesn't do qt4 any justice at all...cool idea, but it uses all gtk apps [04:42] maybe when they port all of those crappy apps, it might be decent [04:54] * ScottK thinks there's already a perfectly nice netbook distro built on Qt4 around. [05:07] Does KNR work well with Lenovo S10-3t? [05:16] No idea. [05:16] What kind of wifi an video? [05:17] txwikinger: ^^ [05:18] it's the one with the multi-touch touchscreen [05:19] video is N450 [05:20] i.e.. Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3150 [05:21] no idea about wifi ScottK.. but I think the N450 has everything on one chip [05:21] AFAIK there's currenlty no multi-touch under X. [05:22] Other than that and assuming it have suitable wifi with linux support it should be oK. [05:22] Netbook U/I was designed with touchscreen in mind, but I don't know anyone who's actually tried it. [05:33] isn't iPad running on X? [05:35] No. [05:50] ryanakca: Can we get http://gadgetmix.com/index/kubuntu-netbook-review/ mentioned in the review section of the web site? [05:56] ScottK: nice review. sad that the firefox install didnt work for them [06:13] Maybe I should rather get the Dell mini 10 [06:23] txwikinger: If you do, get the 10v, not the 10. [06:23] what is the difference ScottK? [06:23] The 10 requires proprietary video drivers that, AFAIK, are only available for Jaunty. [06:24] well here in Canada they call them differently I believe [06:24] it is the mini 10 and the new mini 10 [06:25] OK. Just make sure you get the one that doesn't have the poulsbo graphics. [06:26] No intel integrated [06:26] it has the N450 chip [06:27] I doubt that was available for jaunty [06:34] Man I hate those sales websites [06:39] txwikinger: as do we all... :D [06:39] jussi: hehe [06:46] ScottK: it is called mini 10 (1012) in US [09:12] * apachelogger is reaching a major annoyance level with that no-resource-agents issue === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [10:21] ooh agateau patching rekonq [10:21] Riddell: don't tell anyone :) === fale_ is now known as fale [11:02] Riddell: we dont have gluon for maverick right? [11:04] shadeslayer: I don't know [11:04] Riddell: well i cant find any [11:04] !find gluon maverick [11:04] Package/file gluon does not exist in maverick [11:04] doesn't seem to be in the archive [11:04] Riddell: yep,only lucid package and that too in the ppa [11:05] i want to get kdegames working in the next hour.. :: [11:05] Riddell: btw how do i dget a package from a private ppa? [11:06] probably best to just download through a browser [11:36] Riddell: power outage :P [11:36] persia: btw i figured out why i couldt chroot into my 10.04 install from a 9.10 CD,i had a 64 bit install,the cd was 32 bit :P [11:37] o/ [11:37] Riddell: we need to package gluon and python twisted to get kdegames working,twisted is still not working as it should be.. [11:38] Riddell: wait... its working now :P [11:38] python-twisted is go... moving to gluon :D [11:39] go go twisted! [11:40] Riddell: so how do i dget from a private ppa :P [11:40] just download through the browser [11:40] ah ok [11:42] on KDE 4.4, what applications use Phonon ? Do applications like Skype, Flash and VLC use Phonon ? [11:44] shadeslayer: looks like you want the 0.70.0 gluon release from http://gluon.gamingfreedom.org/node/26 and the packaging from quintasan https://edge.launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa [11:44] SandGorgon: none of those apps use phonon [11:45] Riddell: so will we be uploading to main? [11:46] shadeslayer: we'll upload to universe and do a main inclusion report [11:46] okies.. [11:46] * shadeslayer wonders how long before theres another power outage... [11:54] !sru [11:54] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [12:03] Riddell: whee.. more fun.. maverick does not have libopenal-dev [12:04] needed to compile gluon [12:04] shadeslayer: is that in quintasan's PPA? [12:04] Riddell: no its in lucid archives [12:04] !find libopenal-dev [12:04] Found: libopenal-dev [12:04] !info libopenal-dev [12:04] libopenal-dev (source: openal-soft): Software implementation of the OpenAL API (development files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.11.753-1 (lucid), package size 14 kB, installed size 100 kB [12:05] so we need that in maverick first :P [12:06] Riddell: its in debian experimental [12:07] s/experimental/unstable [12:07] http://packages.debian.org/sid/libopenal-dev [12:08] Riddell: bug 583735 is in sru mode [12:08] Launchpad bug 583735 in kdepimlibs (Ubuntu Maverick) "Akonadi self-test comes up if startup takes too long" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583735 [12:08] waiting in lucid-proposed [12:08] hoping it fixes at least the timeout cause [12:08] * apachelogger goes back to writing his thinking aloud test report [12:09] Riddell: bah... its a older version... [12:10] we have 1.12 in lucid,sid has 1.9 [12:13] !find libopenal-dev maverick [12:13] Found: libopenal-dev [12:14] !info libopenal-dev maverick [12:14] libopenal-dev (source: openal-soft): Software implementation of the OpenAL API (development files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.12.854-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 20 kB, installed size 140 kB [12:14] doh... universe [12:14] Riddell: ^^ [12:16] so gluon and libopenal-dev will be main packages..... [12:19] !sru [12:19] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [12:21] Riddell: since gluon depends on libopenal-dev which is in universe,so will gluon be in universe as well? [12:21] apachelogger: patch added to the bug, however I don't know how functional ubuntu-sru is these days, there's quite a backlog [12:22] shadeslayer: we'll need to do a MIR for openal too [12:22] MIR ? [12:22] main inclusion report [12:22] oh ok.. [12:24] ill do one then :) [12:25] well let's get it packaged and working first, then care about main inclusion [12:25] Riddell, which kde version will we have for maverick? 4.5? [12:25] rbelem: yes, 4.5.1 [12:26] cool! :-) [12:28] i resolved the plasma-mobile not finding the qtdeclarative, but it needs newer version of plasma [12:31] Riddell: well i checked all the security vulnerabilities... nothing there [12:32] shadeslayer: phew [12:35] hmm, lots of overwrite errors upgrading to 4.5 beta [12:35] * Riddell fixers [12:36] Riddell, do you have packages of 4.5 beta? [12:37] rbelem: yes although untested (as I just noted), do you want access? [12:38] Riddell, yep :-) [12:41] rbelem: what's your lpid? [12:41] launchpad id [12:42] Riddell, rbelem [12:44] rbelem: added you to ~kubuntu-ninjas, details of PPA at https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa [12:45] cool! [12:45] rbelem: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging has status [12:45] it's incomplete currently [12:45] Riddell, thank you very much [12:48] Riddell: kthx [12:49] apachelogger: poking jdong may help with SRUs I hear [13:06] Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft/+bug/586324 [13:06] Ubuntu bug 586324 in openal-soft (Ubuntu) "[MIR]libopenal-dev" [Undecided,New] [13:08] !mir [13:08] mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information. [13:09] shadeslayer: did you Thoroughly go through UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements? [13:09] your bug needs "a confirmation that you checked the requirements carefully" [13:09] also Subscribe ubuntu-mir [13:10] Riddell: yes,i did go through it,it seems to meet all requirements [13:11] then say so on the bug :) [13:11] oh ok [13:13] Riddell: done [13:14] lovely [13:14] added a description as well :) [13:16] Riddell: now the long wait :P [13:16] mm hmm [13:16] shadeslayer: but you can finish the packaging of kdegames in the mean time [13:16] Riddell: yeah ill have to compile locally :D [13:17] locally and in ninjas PPA [13:17] yep :) [13:23] Riddell: i could just change the component of libopenal and push it to the ninja ppa [13:23] for maverick.. [13:23] shadeslayer: how do you mean component? [13:23] Riddell: i mean the universe part.. [13:24] shadeslayer: PPAs don't care about main/universe, it's all the same to them [13:24] so if libopenal is in ubuntu maverick universe the PPA will pick that up if gluon needs it [13:24] oh... [13:25] so i need to just use universe in my chroot [13:25] yes [13:35] you shouldn't upload kdegames built with universe things to the PPA, though [13:36] JontheEchidna: why not? [13:36] because we're testing things for a main-only archive in that PPA [13:36] We couldn't release a kdegames + universe using the PPA packages [13:37] Unless we could get turbo-MIRs or something... [13:38] I don't follow, we're testing packages for upload to maverick, we want the new dependencies to be in our maverick package, it'll mean some delay to upload for the MIR but that's the process and it's better than not packaging it [13:39] Waiting for an MIR would probably delay the release of beta1 past the next beta [13:40] If we did this for all of our packages that still have universe optional build-deps (which there are quite a few of) we'd never get a release in a sane amount of time [13:40] And there's no harm of coming back to the optional build-deps post-beta anyways [13:41] we have packages with missing build-deps? that doesn't sound good [13:41] it's the start of the cycle, now is the time to get the build-deps sorted [13:41] Riddell: will have to file a MIR for libglew1.5-dev as well [13:42] users will start complaining about us being very slow, when we could easily release packages that maintain the status quo, and work on improving them after the upstream beta release [13:42] (by post beta, I meant post KDE-beta-1 [13:43] it's maverick, nobody's using maverick [13:43] hehe :) [13:44] Riddell: checkout #ubuntu+1 :P [13:44] all of them use maverick xD [13:45] crazy people [13:46] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/CXAzLe1t [13:46] gluon failed.. [13:47] shadeslayer: I expect you need to edit a .install file in debian/ [13:47] then run dh_install --list-missing until it succeeds [13:47] then debuild -nc to rerun the packaging [13:48] yeah im checking [13:50] Riddell: ah i think what the error means is that there is no debian/tmp/usr/lib/libGluonCreator.so.0.60.0 file [13:51] so ill remove that entry from the install file [13:53] I expect the file is there with a different number [13:58] ah.. 0.70 you mean [14:00] hug day eh [14:10] Riddell: um got a small problem [14:11] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/DCiYGeG7 [14:11] Riddell: line 30-35 ive put in gluoncreator.install [14:11] is that fine? [14:13] and i dont know where to put lines 36 onwards [14:14] ill be back in half an hour.. need a break from this :P [14:20] where is the canned response for "we are not tracking bugs in kubuntu anymore"? [14:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses [14:23] oh nice [14:24] invalid? i thought it was won't fix [14:25] invalid == not our bug in this case. It may very well be fixed by upstream [14:25] for bugs anyway. Won't fix might be well-suited for wishlist items === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [15:17] all these insy winsy packages makes kdebase-workspace take ages to compile [15:17] wow.. im the only one left... [15:17] hehe [15:17] shadeslayer: we're still here [15:18] Riddell: what did your think of the pastebin [15:18] Riddell: no i meant with the packaging :P [15:18] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [15:18] everything else is done :P [15:19] if the ones I've tested are anything to go by some of the maverick packages need fixes [15:19] lucid still needs bits done [15:19] Riddell: btw we have daily ISO builds now [15:19] and Quintasan has kdebase to do [15:20] Riddell: Oh, did you see yesterday about the ABI compatibility issues in kdelibs? [15:20] JontheEchidna: I did, any resolution? [15:20] Riddell: Not as of yet, no [15:20] Riddell: I think I need to either email ervin or file a bug for persistency [15:21] JontheEchidna: does Debian know? [15:21] dunno if they've started but might be good to tell them [15:23] just told 'em [15:23] though I think pinotree was there in #kde-devel during the discussion yesterday [15:23] lex79: hey [15:25] Riddell: JontheEchidna http://pastebin.com/yrBqazt0 [15:25] thats gluon [15:26] shadeslayer: did you find homes for all those files? [15:26] Riddell: not all... [15:26] im looking at them [15:27] Riddell: most of the missing are in usr/lib and usr/share/icons [15:28] http://pastebin.com/brYtFCYi Riddell [15:28] no idea where to put them :P [15:29] and we have these install files : http://pastebin.com/3bB8K6SC [15:29] kde released newer akonadi and soprano requirements for kde 4.5. Did we upload those? [15:30] shadeslayer: all the files with creator in their name can go in gluoncreator.install [15:30] ok [15:30] akonado 1.3.80 (new tarball last night) [15:30] usr/lib/gluon/ will be plugins probably fine in libgluoncore0 [15:31] and maybe gluonplayer needs a package to itself [15:31] soprano 2.4.63 [15:31] Riddell: ok so add a control file entry? [15:31] shadeslayer: might be worth checking with leinir [15:31] Riddell: doing that :) [15:33] Riddell: hes afk [15:33] rgreening: lol... akonado [15:34] shadeslayer: do as I suggest above for now then [15:34] Riddell: just checked the in ninja PPA, both akanadi and soprano need updating [15:34] newer releases in ktown [15:34] okies [15:35] rgreening: are you volunteering? :) [15:35] hehe [15:35] thats what i heard [15:35] Riddell: I'll try and do it in short order. [15:36] Riddell: so, with a new tarball, for akonadi, the tar may be the same name, so I should name with a 1.3.80a or something? [15:37] rgreening: hmm, there's an update to the 1.3.80 one? [15:37] where did you see that? [15:37] lex79: kdelibs needs updating.... can we chat [15:37] Riddell: kde-packagers list I believe [15:38] rgreening: well you can delete the one in the PPA and upload with the same version no [15:38] Riddell: ok, so the source tbz will get removed when I delete? [15:39] rgreening: yes (although might have to wait an hour) [15:39] I didn't think that was necessarily the case, but I'll believe you. ok. :) [15:39] Riddell: usr/bin/gluonplayer in a seprate install file? [15:39] hah [15:39] txwikinger: no email announcement of the bug day? [15:39] yuriy: Sorry.. I announced it at so many places, I forgot e-mail lists last night [15:40] still plenty time to announce [15:40] however, there were some e-mails pointing to the ubuntu hug day webpage, which in turn points to our [15:40] Riddell: kdelibs is not completely done I believe. lex79 had some patches which needed fixing (currently disabled) and I believe there's some list-missing stuff that should be in seperate packages (though Im no expert here on the libs stuff). Care to take a peek? [15:40] at least last time I checked... [15:41] which mailinglists should I choose? [15:41] rgreening: busy fixing kdebase-workspace currently [15:42] ok. Ill work on akonadi and soprano [15:42] txwikinger: i just saw the blog, where else do you announce it? [15:42] several IRC channels in the topic [15:43] oh [15:43] Riddell: do you think there is a problem to call the debconf lib as libdebconf-kde? since using kdelibs reduces some of my work :P [15:44] txwikinger: looks like last time (July 2008! woo!) I sent it to kubuntu-devel, kubuntu-users, kubuntu-de, ubuntu-bugsquad, ubuntu-devel-discuss, and ubuntu-news-team [15:44] that looks a little overkill [15:44] yeah.. I think the news team is too late [15:45] next time I will be hopefully earlier.. I have already prepared everything to just push the button :) [15:45] Riddell: any idea what i should put in depends? [15:45] then I will send it to the news team too [15:45] ive put Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libgluoncore0 [15:45] txwikinger: looks like the Ubuntu ones now just go to ubuntu-bugsquad and ubuntu-bugcontrol [15:46] yeah.. and we can add a couple of kubuntu lists.. that seems ok [15:49] dantti: I don't see an issue with that [15:49] shadeslayer: depends for what? [15:49] k, I don't think anything other than a kde thing would use that lib [15:49] Riddell: gluonplayer [15:50] shadeslayer: just shlibs and misc should be fine, shlibs will find what it needs [15:50] Riddell: ah ok,but leinir is back.. so i might be able to catch him :) [15:51] Riddell: and what about /usr/bin/gluonplayer [15:51] make a seprate install file? [15:52] * shadeslayer wonders what the changelog will look like with so much addition [15:55] shadeslayer: /usr/bin/gluonplayer goes in the gluonplayer package you're making, it'll need a new .install file made [15:56] * yuriy hugs txwikinger [15:57] Riddell: one more thing,i dont have to specifiy anything else for gluonplayer except the entry in debian/control and debian/gluonplayer.install right? [15:57] and btw the rules file has dh --with-lde [15:57] *kde [16:01] Riddell: ok, akonadi seems to be ok. Just checked diff on tars and we are good. Soprano definately needs an update though, as we have a snapshot. [16:01] shadeslayer: right [16:02] Riddell: and what about rules ? do i leave it to the new format or should i use pkg-kde-tools scripts [16:03] shadeslayer: leave it as it is [16:03] Riddell: hmm... seems they released 2.4.63, but 2.4.64 is what is required.. so we are ok, as the snapshot is 2.4.63+ (basically what 2.4.64 will be. Strange they didn't release 2.4.64 [16:04] oh well... I'll look at kdelibs now. [16:04] rgreening: hmm, strange (soprano releasing but not releasing enough) [16:05] yeah, the comment on the thread was ldelibs requires 2.4.63+ and they release 2.4.63 [16:05] kdelibs even [16:05] it actually requires 2.4.64 [16:06] Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/mXtzsB1d [16:07] Riddell: I just e-mailed the list. [16:07] hm [16:08] shadeslayer: grovy [16:08] freeflying: the unicorn on the second hand of the clock is freaking awesome, way to cool how it actually seems to run on the frame of the clock ^^+ [16:09] shadeslayer: there's some lintian warnings that could be fixed easily [16:09] Riddell: ok which ones do you want me to fix? [16:09] out-of-date-standards-version non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink wrong-section-according-to-package-name [16:09] usr/lib/libGluonCreator.so should go in libgluon-dev [16:10] this kdebase-workspace update is troublesome, needs rebuilds of kdevelop and lancelot [16:11] yeah, that came from the merge [16:12] think I've got all the replaces in place now [16:14] Riddell: building in chroot :) [16:14] Riddell: oh btw what do i do with wrong-section-according-to-package-name [16:15] Section is devel in control file [16:15] should i change it to kde? [16:16] shadeslayer: should be libdevel I think [16:16] ok.. [16:17] building :D [16:21] Riddell: W: gluoncreator: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libGluonAudio0.70.0 libGluonCore0.70.0 libGluonCreator0.70.0 libGluonEngine0.70.0 libGluonGraphics0.70.0 libGluonInput0.70.0 [16:21] all the other lintian warnings are gone [16:21] well.. the ones which say manpages not installed are there too [16:21] just ignore [16:22] ok [16:24] agateau: "You can enable double menus" why would you ever want that? [16:24] Riddell: for debugging purposes [16:24] agateau: I wonder if "Applications we Have to Test" should list tested on both KDE and Gnome [16:25] Riddell: to ensure the global menubar is correctly displaying all menus [16:25] Riddell: not sure, I somewhat hijacked the Ubuntu Desktop page [16:26] Riddell: uploading to ninja ppa [16:26] shadeslayer: your power grows! [16:27] :) [16:27] shadeslayer: mind and tell quintaisan when he turns up, he was packaging it up to now so should know about developments [16:28] Riddell: oh i talked to leinir [16:28] he gave me a dep pdf.. and some git developemts [16:28] *developments [16:28] like how gluon now has libgluonplayer and other gluon packages [16:29] sounds scary [16:29] :P [16:29] Riddell: i just installed the locally created debs... [16:30] what's the name of the app again to report bugs? Can't remember that [16:30] Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/85SyRC0B [16:30] Mamarok: ubuntu-bug? [16:30] shadeslayer: thanks [16:30] Mamarok: np [16:31] Riddell: lol.. circular deps [16:31] Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/LJNMZWCX [16:32] "libgluoncore0 depends on gluoncreator; however:" hmm that looks wrong [16:32] maybe those plugin libraries should go in libgluoncore0 [16:32] oh crap [16:33] Riddell: i forgot to add more chnagelog entries [16:33] this is bad... [16:40]