[00:06] <JontheEchidna> So, looks like binary compatibility was lost in 4.4.80. If we release, all applications not built against 4.5 will crash when their configuration dialogs open
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> e.g. kdepim + all universe KDE applications with settings dialogs
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> Upstream is aware of the issue
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> IMO we should not release public debs until the issue is resolved
[00:09] <apachelogger> +1 billion billion
[00:10] <apachelogger> technically if we push with lost binary compability we need to fiddle with the package soversion stuff IIRC (as seen with kde3's kdelibs for example)
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> that 4c2a business?
[00:11]  * JontheEchidna is without KMail now :(
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> GMail to the rescue
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> Also, I can't seem to get the Blur desktop effect to work, so the plasma popups are way too transparent :(
[00:16] <Sput> shouldn't that one be solvable by disabling blur?
[00:17] <lex79> why they not released the new version of kdepim?
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> lex79: KMail is a craptastic pile of fail at the moment
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> well, at least not ready, due to the akonadi port
[00:18] <lex79> ah yes
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> Sput: Neat, thanks
[00:18] <Sput> "craptastic pile of fail" is quite correct :)
[00:18] <Sput> JontheEchidna: did it work?
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> Sput: yes
[00:19] <Sput> good :) I hadn't tried myself, just read that somewhere
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> heh, two official systemsettings modules are in Lost and Found in System Settings
[00:21]  * JontheEchidna is not liking the schema change on a backwards-compat level
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> this puts me at a tough position as a third-party upstream
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> If I change it to work with 4.5, it won't work in 4.4
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> and I can't exactly ifdef a .desktop file
[00:23] <lex79> is there a Lost and Found section in system settings now? or you meant lost and found in kickoff?
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> lost and found section is systemsettings
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopc12488-jpg.jpg
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> that's after a bit of fixing things, too
[00:26] <lex79> uhm, I don't like...too much icons in one window lol
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> kpackagekit had it's three icons in lost and found until I fixed it locally a minute ago
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> "Device Actions" could go inside "Removable Devices"
[00:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: your desktop is the suck :P
[00:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/OWHxXkp.html
[00:57] <apachelogger> also, please note how my u1 kio slave is made to override all and any icon ^^
[01:01] <lex79> lol
[02:52] <txwikinger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527/KDE
[02:52] <txwikinger> Maybe someone could add this link to the title
[02:52] <txwikinger> ScottK ? ^^
[02:55] <apachelogger> txwikinger: title?
[02:56] <txwikinger> topic
[02:56] <txwikinger> whatever
[02:56] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you can do that ^^
[02:56] <txwikinger> oh ok
[02:56] <apachelogger> though #kubuntu-bugs might be the better place *shrug*
[02:58]  * ScottK gives txwikinger a motivational whack in the head to encourage more "do it yourself".
[02:58] <txwikinger> ScottK: Thanks ... did not know I have so much power :)
[03:01] <shtylman> what is bug hug day about?
[03:01] <shtylman> triaging the bugs?
[03:02] <ScottK> Yes or even better fixing them if someone appropriate to the task is around.
[03:02] <shtylman> I see
[03:02] <ScottK> Today they are generally just about triaging, but back in the day it was all about getting stuff fixed.
[03:02] <ScottK> persia can provide details.
[03:36] <alteroo> nixternal: ping-a-lot
[04:12] <nixternal> alteroo: yo yo
[04:23] <ScottK> OK, I've got the whisky (note the correct spelling Riddell), so now time to mess with conffile renaming in preinst.
[04:26] <alteroo> nixternal: Hallo :)
[04:39] <nixternal> howdy
[04:40]  * JontheEchidna couldn't get his Fringe DVD to work with Linux and had to use Windows :(
[04:41] <nixternal> DVDs are evil!
[04:41] <nixternal> I am trying out netbook os'....just finished messing around with meego for a couple of hours
[04:41] <nixternal> sad that it doesn't do qt4 any justice at all...cool idea, but it uses all gtk apps
[04:42] <nixternal> maybe when they port all of those crappy apps, it might be decent
[04:54]  * ScottK thinks there's already a perfectly nice netbook distro built on Qt4 around.
[05:07] <txwikinger> Does KNR work well with Lenovo S10-3t?
[05:16] <ScottK> No idea.
[05:16] <ScottK> What kind of wifi an video?
[05:17] <ScottK> txwikinger: ^^
[05:18] <txwikinger> it's the one with the multi-touch touchscreen
[05:19] <txwikinger> video is N450
[05:20] <txwikinger> i.e.. Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3150
[05:21] <txwikinger> no idea about wifi ScottK.. but I think the N450 has everything on one chip
[05:21] <ScottK> AFAIK there's currenlty no multi-touch under X.
[05:22] <ScottK> Other than that and assuming it have suitable wifi with linux support it should be oK.
[05:22] <ScottK> Netbook U/I was designed with touchscreen in mind, but I don't know anyone who's actually tried it.
[05:33] <txwikinger> isn't iPad running on X?
[05:35] <ScottK> No.
[05:50] <ScottK> ryanakca: Can we get http://gadgetmix.com/index/kubuntu-netbook-review/ mentioned in the review section of the web site?
[05:56] <jussi> ScottK: nice review. sad that the firefox install didnt work for them
[06:13] <txwikinger> Maybe I should rather get the Dell mini 10
[06:23] <ScottK> txwikinger: If you do, get the 10v, not the 10.
[06:23] <txwikinger> what is the difference ScottK?
[06:23] <ScottK> The 10 requires proprietary video drivers that, AFAIK, are only available for Jaunty.
[06:24] <txwikinger> well here in Canada they call them differently I believe
[06:24] <txwikinger> it is the mini 10 and the new mini 10
[06:25] <ScottK> OK.  Just make sure you get the one that doesn't have the poulsbo graphics.
[06:26] <txwikinger> No intel integrated
[06:26] <txwikinger> it has the N450 chip
[06:27] <txwikinger> I doubt that was available for jaunty
[06:34] <txwikinger> Man I hate those sales websites
[06:39] <jussi> txwikinger: as do we all... :D
[06:39] <txwikinger> jussi: hehe
[06:46] <txwikinger> ScottK: it is called mini 10 (1012) in US
[09:12]  * apachelogger is reaching a major annoyance level with that no-resource-agents issue
[10:21] <Riddell> ooh agateau patching rekonq
[10:21] <agateau> Riddell: don't tell anyone :)
[11:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we dont have gluon for maverick right? 
[11:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know
[11:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well i cant find any
[11:04] <shadeslayer> !find gluon maverick
[11:04] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be in the archive
[11:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep,only lucid package and that too in the ppa
[11:05] <shadeslayer> i want to get kdegames working in the next hour.. ::
[11:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw how do i dget a package from a private ppa?
[11:06] <Riddell> probably best to just download through a browser
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: power outage :P
[11:36] <shadeslayer> persia: btw i figured out why i couldt chroot into my 10.04 install from a 9.10 CD,i had a 64 bit install,the cd was 32 bit :P
[11:37] <effie_jayx> o/
[11:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we need to package gluon and python twisted to get kdegames working,twisted is still not working as it should be..
[11:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wait... its working now :P
[11:38] <shadeslayer> python-twisted is go... moving to gluon :D
[11:39] <Riddell> go go twisted!
[11:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so how do i dget from a private ppa :P
[11:40] <Riddell> just download through the browser
[11:40] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[11:42] <SandGorgon> on KDE 4.4, what applications use Phonon ? Do applications like Skype, Flash and VLC use Phonon ?
[11:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks like you want the 0.70.0 gluon release from http://gluon.gamingfreedom.org/node/26 and the packaging from quintasan https://edge.launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa
[11:44] <Riddell> SandGorgon: none of those apps use phonon
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so will we be uploading to main?
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we'll upload to universe and do a main inclusion report
[11:46] <shadeslayer> okies..
[11:46]  * shadeslayer wonders how long before theres another power outage...
[11:54] <apachelogger> !sru
[12:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whee.. more fun.. maverick does not have libopenal-dev
[12:04] <shadeslayer> needed to compile gluon
[12:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is that in quintasan's PPA?
[12:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no its in lucid archives
[12:04] <shadeslayer> !find libopenal-dev
[12:04] <shadeslayer> !info libopenal-dev
[12:05] <shadeslayer> so we need that in maverick first :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its in debian experimental
[12:07] <shadeslayer> s/experimental/unstable
[12:07] <shadeslayer> http://packages.debian.org/sid/libopenal-dev
[12:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 583735 is in sru mode
[12:08] <apachelogger> waiting in lucid-proposed
[12:08] <apachelogger> hoping it fixes at least the timeout cause
[12:08]  * apachelogger goes back to writing his thinking aloud test report
[12:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bah... its a older version...
[12:10] <shadeslayer> we have 1.12 in lucid,sid has 1.9
[12:13] <shadeslayer> !find libopenal-dev maverick
[12:14] <shadeslayer> !info libopenal-dev maverick
[12:14] <shadeslayer> doh... universe
[12:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[12:16] <shadeslayer> so gluon and libopenal-dev will be main packages..... 
[12:19] <Riddell> !sru
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: since gluon depends on libopenal-dev which is in universe,so will gluon be in universe as well?
[12:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: patch added to the bug, however I don't know how functional ubuntu-sru is these days, there's quite a backlog
[12:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we'll need to do a MIR for openal too
[12:22] <shadeslayer> MIR ?
[12:22] <Riddell> main inclusion report
[12:22] <shadeslayer> oh ok.. 
[12:24] <shadeslayer> ill do one then :)
[12:25] <Riddell> well let's get it packaged and working first, then care about main inclusion
[12:25] <rbelem> Riddell, which kde version will we have for maverick? 4.5?
[12:25] <Riddell> rbelem: yes, 4.5.1 
[12:26] <rbelem> cool! :-)
[12:28] <rbelem> i resolved the plasma-mobile not finding the qtdeclarative, but it needs newer version of plasma
[12:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well i checked all the security vulnerabilities... nothing there
[12:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: phew
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm, lots of overwrite errors upgrading to 4.5 beta
[12:35]  * Riddell fixers
[12:36] <rbelem> Riddell, do you have packages of 4.5 beta?
[12:37] <Riddell> rbelem: yes although untested (as I just noted), do you want access?
[12:38] <rbelem> Riddell, yep :-)
[12:41] <Riddell> rbelem: what's your lpid?
[12:41] <Riddell> launchpad id
[12:42] <rbelem> Riddell, rbelem 
[12:44] <Riddell> rbelem: added you to ~kubuntu-ninjas, details of PPA at https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa
[12:45] <rbelem> cool!
[12:45] <Riddell> rbelem: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging has status 
[12:45] <Riddell> it's incomplete currently
[12:45] <rbelem> Riddell, thank you very much
[12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: kthx
[12:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: poking jdong may help with SRUs I hear
[13:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft/+bug/586324
[13:08] <Riddell> !mir
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you Thoroughly go through UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements?
[13:09] <Riddell> your bug needs "a confirmation that you checked the requirements carefully"
[13:09] <Riddell> also Subscribe ubuntu-mir
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes,i did go through it,it seems to meet all requirements
[13:11] <Riddell> then say so on the bug :)
[13:11] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[13:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: done
[13:14] <Riddell> lovely
[13:14] <shadeslayer> added a description as well :)
[13:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: now the long wait :P
[13:16] <Riddell> mm hmm
[13:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but you can finish the packaging of kdegames in the mean time
[13:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah ill have to compile locally :D
[13:17] <Riddell> locally and in ninjas PPA
[13:17] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i could just change the component of libopenal and push it to the ninja ppa
[13:23] <shadeslayer> for maverick..
[13:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how do you mean component?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i mean the universe part..
[13:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: PPAs don't care about main/universe, it's all the same to them
[13:24] <Riddell> so if libopenal is in ubuntu maverick universe the PPA will pick that up if gluon needs it
[13:24] <shadeslayer> oh...
[13:25] <shadeslayer> so i need to just use universe in my chroot
[13:25] <Riddell> yes
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> you shouldn't upload kdegames built with universe things to the PPA, though
[13:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: why not?
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> because we're testing things for a main-only archive in that PPA
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> We couldn't release a kdegames + universe using the PPA packages
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> Unless we could get turbo-MIRs or something...
[13:38] <Riddell> I don't follow, we're testing packages for upload to maverick, we want the new dependencies to be in our maverick package, it'll mean some delay to upload for the MIR but that's the process and it's better than not packaging it
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> Waiting for an MIR would probably delay the release of beta1 past the next beta
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> If we did this for all of our packages that still have universe optional build-deps (which there are quite a few of) we'd never get a release in a sane amount of time
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> And there's no harm of coming back to the optional build-deps post-beta anyways
[13:41] <Riddell> we have packages with missing build-deps?  that doesn't sound good
[13:41] <Riddell> it's the start of the cycle, now is the time to get the build-deps sorted
[13:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will have to file a MIR for libglew1.5-dev as well
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> users will start complaining about us being very slow, when we could easily release packages that maintain the status quo, and work on improving them after the upstream beta release
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> (by post beta, I meant post KDE-beta-1
[13:43] <Riddell> it's maverick, nobody's using maverick
[13:43] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: checkout #ubuntu+1 :P
[13:44] <shadeslayer> all of them use maverick xD
[13:45] <Riddell> crazy people
[13:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/CXAzLe1t
[13:46] <shadeslayer> gluon failed..
[13:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I expect you need to edit a .install file in debian/
[13:47] <Riddell> then run  dh_install --list-missing  until it succeeds
[13:47] <Riddell> then   debuild -nc  to rerun the packaging
[13:48] <shadeslayer> yeah im checking 
[13:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah i think what the error means is that there  is no debian/tmp/usr/lib/libGluonCreator.so.0.60.0 file
[13:51] <shadeslayer> so ill remove that entry from the install file
[13:53] <Riddell> I expect the file is there with a different number
[13:58] <shadeslayer> ah.. 0.70 you mean
[14:00] <yuriy> hug day eh
[14:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: um got a small problem
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/DCiYGeG7
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: line 30-35 ive put in gluoncreator.install
[14:11] <shadeslayer> is that fine?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> and i dont know where to put lines 36 onwards
[14:14] <shadeslayer> ill be back in half an hour.. need a break from this :P
[14:20] <yuriy> where is the canned response for "we are not tracking bugs in kubuntu anymore"?
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses
[14:23] <yuriy> oh nice
[14:24] <yuriy> invalid? i thought it was won't fix
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> invalid == not our bug in this case. It may very well be fixed by upstream
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> for bugs anyway. Won't fix might be well-suited for wishlist items
[15:17] <Riddell> all these insy winsy packages makes kdebase-workspace take ages to compile
[15:17] <shadeslayer> wow.. im the only one left...
[15:17] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we're still here
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what did your think of the pastebin
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no i meant with the packaging :P
[15:18] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[15:18] <shadeslayer> everything else is done :P
[15:19] <Riddell> if the ones I've tested are anything to go by some of the maverick packages need fixes
[15:19] <Riddell> lucid still needs bits done
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw we have daily ISO builds now
[15:19] <Riddell> and Quintasan has kdebase to do
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Oh, did you see yesterday about the ABI compatibility issues in kdelibs?
[15:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I did, any resolution?
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Not as of yet, no
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think I need to either email ervin or file a bug for persistency
[15:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: does Debian know?
[15:21] <Riddell> dunno if they've started but might be good to tell them
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> just told 'em
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> though I think pinotree was there in #kde-devel during the discussion yesterday
[15:23] <rgreening> lex79: hey
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: JontheEchidna http://pastebin.com/yrBqazt0
[15:25] <shadeslayer> thats gluon
[15:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you find homes for all those files?
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not all...
[15:26] <shadeslayer> im looking at them
[15:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: most of the missing are in usr/lib and usr/share/icons
[15:28] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/brYtFCYi Riddell 
[15:28] <shadeslayer> no idea where to put them :P
[15:29] <shadeslayer> and we have these install files : http://pastebin.com/3bB8K6SC
[15:29] <rgreening> kde released newer akonadi and soprano requirements for kde 4.5. Did we upload those?
[15:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: all the files with creator in their name can go in gluoncreator.install
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:30] <rgreening> akonado 1.3.80 (new tarball last night)
[15:30] <Riddell> usr/lib/gluon/ will be plugins probably fine in libgluoncore0
[15:31] <Riddell> and maybe gluonplayer needs a package to itself
[15:31] <rgreening> soprano 2.4.63 
[15:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok so add a control file entry?
[15:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: might be worth checking with leinir
[15:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: doing that :)
[15:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hes afk
[15:33] <shadeslayer> rgreening: lol... akonado
[15:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do as I suggest above for now then
[15:34] <rgreening> Riddell: just checked the in ninja PPA, both akanadi and soprano need updating
[15:34] <rgreening> newer releases in ktown
[15:34] <shadeslayer> okies
[15:35] <Riddell> rgreening: are you volunteering? :)
[15:35] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:35] <jjesse> thats what i heard
[15:35] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll try and do it in short order.
[15:36] <rgreening> Riddell: so, with a new tarball, for akonadi, the tar may be the same name, so I should name with a 1.3.80a or something?
[15:37] <Riddell> rgreening: hmm, there's an update to the 1.3.80 one?
[15:37] <Riddell> where did you see that?
[15:37] <rgreening> lex79: kdelibs needs updating.... can we chat
[15:37] <rgreening> Riddell: kde-packagers list I believe
[15:38] <Riddell> rgreening: well you can delete the one in the PPA and upload with the same version no
[15:38] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so the source tbz will get removed when I delete?
[15:39] <Riddell> rgreening: yes (although might have to wait an hour)
[15:39] <rgreening> I didn't think that was necessarily the case, but I'll believe you. ok. :)
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: usr/bin/gluonplayer in a seprate install file?
[15:39] <rgreening> hah
[15:39] <yuriy> txwikinger: no email announcement of the bug day?
[15:39] <txwikinger> yuriy: Sorry.. I announced it at so many places, I forgot e-mail lists last night
[15:40] <Riddell> still plenty time to announce
[15:40] <txwikinger> however, there were some e-mails pointing to the ubuntu hug day webpage, which in turn points to our
[15:40] <rgreening> Riddell: kdelibs is not completely done I believe. lex79 had some patches which needed fixing (currently disabled) and I believe there's some list-missing stuff that should be in seperate packages (though Im no expert here on the libs stuff). Care to take a peek?
[15:40] <rgreening> at least last time I checked...
[15:41] <txwikinger> which mailinglists should I choose?
[15:41] <Riddell> rgreening: busy fixing kdebase-workspace currently
[15:42] <rgreening> ok. Ill work on akonadi and soprano
[15:42] <yuriy> txwikinger: i just saw the blog, where else do you announce it?
[15:42] <txwikinger> several IRC channels in the topic
[15:43] <yuriy> oh
[15:43] <dantti> Riddell: do you think there is a problem to call the debconf lib as libdebconf-kde? since using kdelibs reduces some of my work :P
[15:44] <yuriy> txwikinger: looks like last time (July 2008! woo!) I sent it to kubuntu-devel, kubuntu-users, kubuntu-de, ubuntu-bugsquad, ubuntu-devel-discuss, and ubuntu-news-team
[15:44] <yuriy> that looks a little overkill
[15:44] <txwikinger> yeah.. I think the news team is too late
[15:45] <txwikinger> next time I will be hopefully earlier.. I have already prepared everything to just push the button :)
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea what i should put in depends?
[15:45] <txwikinger> then I will send it to the news team too
[15:45] <shadeslayer> ive put Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libgluoncore0
[15:45] <yuriy> txwikinger: looks like the Ubuntu ones now just go to ubuntu-bugsquad and ubuntu-bugcontrol 
[15:46] <txwikinger> yeah.. and we can add a couple of kubuntu lists.. that seems ok
[15:49] <Riddell> dantti: I don't see an issue with that
[15:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: depends for what?
[15:49] <dantti> k, I don't think anything other than a kde thing would use that lib
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: gluonplayer
[15:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just shlibs and misc should be fine, shlibs will find what it needs
[15:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok,but leinir is back.. so i might be able to catch him :)
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and what about /usr/bin/gluonplayer
[15:51] <shadeslayer> make a seprate install file?
[15:52]  * shadeslayer wonders what the changelog will look like with so much addition
[15:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: /usr/bin/gluonplayer goes in the gluonplayer package you're making, it'll need a new .install file made
[15:56]  * yuriy hugs txwikinger 
[15:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: one more thing,i dont have to specifiy anything else for gluonplayer except the entry in debian/control and debian/gluonplayer.install right?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> and btw the rules file has dh --with-lde
[15:57] <shadeslayer> *kde
[16:01] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, akonadi seems to be ok. Just checked diff on tars and we are good. Soprano definately needs an update though, as we have a snapshot.
[16:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: right
[16:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and what about rules ? do i leave it to the new format or should i use pkg-kde-tools scripts
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: leave it as it is
[16:03] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... seems they released 2.4.63, but 2.4.64 is what is required.. so we are ok, as the snapshot is 2.4.63+ (basically what 2.4.64 will be. Strange they didn't release 2.4.64
[16:04] <rgreening> oh well... I'll look at kdelibs now.
[16:04] <Riddell> rgreening: hmm, strange (soprano releasing but not releasing enough)
[16:05] <rgreening> yeah, the comment on the thread was ldelibs requires 2.4.63+ and they release 2.4.63
[16:05] <rgreening> kdelibs even
[16:05] <rgreening> it actually requires 2.4.64
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/mXtzsB1d
[16:07] <rgreening> Riddell: I just e-mailed the list. 
[16:07] <apachelogger> hm
[16:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: grovy
[16:08] <apachelogger> freeflying: the unicorn on the second hand of the clock is freaking awesome, way to cool how it actually seems to run on the frame of the clock ^^+
[16:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's some lintian warnings that could be fixed easily
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok which ones do you want me to fix?
[16:09] <Riddell> out-of-date-standards-version non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink wrong-section-according-to-package-name
[16:09] <Riddell> usr/lib/libGluonCreator.so should go in libgluon-dev
[16:10] <Riddell> this kdebase-workspace update is troublesome, needs rebuilds of kdevelop and lancelot
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that came from the merge
[16:12] <Riddell> think I've got all the replaces in place now
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: building in chroot :)
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw what do i do with wrong-section-according-to-package-name
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Section is devel in control file
[16:15] <shadeslayer> should i change it to kde?
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: should be libdevel I think
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ok..
[16:17] <shadeslayer> building :D
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: W: gluoncreator: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libGluonAudio0.70.0 libGluonCore0.70.0 libGluonCreator0.70.0 libGluonEngine0.70.0 libGluonGraphics0.70.0 libGluonInput0.70.0
[16:21] <shadeslayer> all the other lintian warnings are gone
[16:21] <shadeslayer> well.. the ones which say manpages not installed are there too
[16:21] <Riddell> just ignore
[16:22] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:24] <Riddell> agateau: "You can enable double menus" why would you ever want that?
[16:24] <agateau> Riddell: for debugging purposes
[16:24] <Riddell> agateau: I wonder if "Applications we Have to Test" should list tested on both KDE and Gnome
[16:25] <agateau> Riddell: to ensure the global menubar is correctly displaying all menus
[16:25] <agateau> Riddell: not sure, I somewhat hijacked the Ubuntu Desktop page
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploading to ninja ppa
[16:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: your power grows!
[16:27] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mind and tell quintaisan when he turns up, he was packaging it up to now so should know about developments
[16:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh i talked to leinir 
[16:28] <shadeslayer> he gave me a dep pdf.. and some git developemts
[16:28] <shadeslayer> *developments
[16:28] <shadeslayer> like how gluon now has libgluonplayer and other gluon packages
[16:29] <Riddell> sounds scary
[16:29] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i just installed the locally created debs...
[16:30] <Mamarok> what's the name of the app again to report bugs? Can't remember that
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/85SyRC0B
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ubuntu-bug?
[16:30] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: thanks
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: np
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lol.. circular deps
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/LJNMZWCX
[16:32] <Riddell> "libgluoncore0 depends on gluoncreator; however:" hmm that looks wrong
[16:32] <Riddell> maybe those plugin libraries should go in libgluoncore0
[16:32] <shadeslayer> oh crap
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i forgot to add more chnagelog entries
[16:33] <shadeslayer> this is bad...
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: checkout http://leinir.dk/gluon/gluon-packages.pdf
[16:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that helps with where some of those plugin libraries should be installed 
[16:41] <Riddell> libgluon_component_textrenderer.so alongside gluongraphics
[16:43] <rgreening> Riddell: new kdelibs uploaded to PPA for maverick.
[16:43] <Riddell> rgreening: what's new?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok 
[16:45] <rgreening> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/440453/
[16:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: all the next ones too? 
[16:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try it and see if it works :)
[16:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: branch this : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/gluon/ubuntu : :D
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: building :)
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw 21:06 < leinir> gluonengine shouldn't be depending on creator
[16:57] <shadeslayer> i dont think we did that..
[16:57] <Riddell> have a look at the .deb
[16:58] <shadeslayer>  gluonengine depends on gluoncreator; however:
[16:58] <shadeslayer> weird
[16:59] <shadeslayer> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libgluoncore0, libgluonaudio0, libgluongraphics0, libgluoninput0
[16:59] <shadeslayer> for gluonengine
[17:00] <Riddell> you don't need all those libs in that Depends line, shlibs will magically add those
[17:00] <Riddell> and presumably something in gluonengine links against something in gluoncreator and shlibs is doing its magic in adding the depends
[17:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i didnt add those lines,they were as is
[17:04] <Riddell> remove them then
[17:13] <Riddell> rgreening: kdelibs broke :(
[17:14] <rgreening> Yeah, I know. working on it now
[17:14] <rgreening> patch 19 applied, breaks finding pthread.. Im not even sure patch 19 is really required.
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: libgluoninput has a dep on libgluoncore0
[17:15] <rgreening> Riddell: can you look at that patch and see why in gods name they remove the CMAKE_PTHREAD_INIT portion? Thats what's require to find pthreads
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should i remove that too?
[17:15] <rgreening> I think we can safely disable the patch going forward anyway.
[17:15]  * shadeslayer fights with gluon
[17:16] <Riddell> rgreening: it's probably for some debian weirdness on kfreebsdhurd or whatever, it can go
[17:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes remove that too
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: gluoncreator has a dep on gluonengine
[17:18] <shadeslayer> should i remove that?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> ( probably not according to the pdf )
[17:19] <shadeslayer> i think we need to add a dep on gluoncore in gluonengine
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: same thing
[17:30] <rgreening> Riddell: also, can you look at patch 23. It causes the build fail for KUPnP in solid. I think it can go too.
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/E3TnMF8Y
[17:30] <shadeslayer> rgreening: can you help us with gluon? :P
[17:31] <shadeslayer> been working on it for 3 hours!
[17:31] <rgreening> shadeslayer: sure, as soon as I get kdelibs done
[17:31] <shadeslayer> rgreening: hehe.. how long till thats done?
[17:31] <rgreening> 20min? or so
[17:31] <shadeslayer> rgreening: awesome... im taking a break from this then !
[17:33] <binarylooks> rbelem: any new solutions for QML by any chance?
[17:34] <rbelem> binarylooks, yep
[17:34] <binarylooks> uuuuhh, excitment abounds plenty
[17:34] <rbelem> binarylooks, i manage to fix the build
[17:34] <rbelem> but it needs a newer version of plasma lib
[17:35] <binarylooks> I see, the way I understood recent chatter, kde 4.5 means rebuilding all kde apps, so still can take some time?
[17:36] <binarylooks> rbelem: I suppose it would be suicide to just compile and nstall plasmalibs from trunk ?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how about we put gluonengine before creator?
[17:37] <rbelem> binarylooks, i think it will work with kde 4.5 beta
[17:38] <binarylooks> rbelem: thats good nice.
[17:38] <binarylooks> s/nice/news
[17:39] <rgreening> Riddell: new kdelibs uploaded, should build fine this time
[17:39] <rgreening> shadeslayer: so, whats the gluon issue
[17:39] <shadeslayer> rgreening: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/E3TnMF8Y
[17:39] <shadeslayer> rgreening: seems to be circular deps
[17:40] <shadeslayer> im building it again with some changes in the control file
[17:40] <rgreening> k
[17:41] <shadeslayer> rgreening: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/gluon/ubuntu/files
[17:41] <shadeslayer> hold on ill just update it with the latest files
[17:44] <shadeslayer> rgreening: new files are up
[17:45] <shadeslayer> rgreening: and the new control file doesnt help either
[17:47] <rgreening> shadeslayer: so, does the package work in lucid?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> rgreening: no package for lucid :)
[17:48] <shadeslayer> ( officialy
[17:49] <rgreening> shadeslayer: it's in PPA kubuntu-beta
[17:49] <rgreening> shadeslayer: is that what you built on?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> rgreening: no
[17:49] <shadeslayer> rgreening: i built it on Quinstans ppa
[17:49] <shadeslayer> oh wow...
[17:50] <shadeslayer> works in lucid
[17:51] <rgreening> shadeslayer: take the lucid one and convert to source format 3.0. see if it works under maverick. then add any changes not covered by that one.
[17:51] <shadeslayer> rgreening: thanks
[17:51] <rgreening> np
[17:51] <rgreening> then upload away. we should get that into the archive then. Riddell ^
[17:53] <shadeslayer> we wasted 4 hours on this :P
[17:53] <shadeslayer> just to find.. the beta ppa \o/
[17:53] <rgreening> nothing is a waste if you learn from it :)
[17:53] <shadeslayer> rgreening: true
[17:54] <shadeslayer> checkout http://ur1.ca/03v5a
[17:55] <rbelem> binarylooks, i'm leaving for lunch now. i will finish the package for plasma mobile this afternoon
[17:55]  * rbelem goes away
[17:56] <binarylooks> thanks many much a lot :-)
[17:56] <ejat> shadeslayer, c00l
[17:57] <shadeslayer> ejat: i know :D
[17:57] <ejat> new theme ? 
[17:57] <shadeslayer> dunno which kde version though
[17:58] <ejat> owh .. 
[17:58] <ejat> kde sc ? 
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ejat: its not my desktop :P
[17:58] <ejat> owh .. i tought its yours .. 
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ejat: ive asked the guy who did the screenshot.. lets see
[18:04] <shadeslayer> ejat: thats trunk :P
[18:04] <ejat> owh .. really .. already in trunk ? for next release ? 
[18:04] <ejat> :)
[18:06] <shadeslayer> rgreening: Riddell http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/G8Ph47nU
[18:08] <shadeslayer> rgreening: oh and i get overwrite errors with the packages
[18:08] <shadeslayer> rgreening: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/9rTBv4rK
[18:15] <shadeslayer> rgreening: ideas?
[18:15] <rgreening> shadeslayer: did some of the files change between .install files?
[18:15] <lex79> rgreening: I disabled 19_ and 23_ patches for a reason eh.... :)
[18:16] <shadeslayer> rgreening: i just copied the debian folder from the ppa
[18:16] <rgreening> lex79: yeah... I had work arounds for each of them
[18:16] <rgreening> lex79: but upon forther looking, I dont think they should be applied at all anymore
[18:16] <lex79> but now you disabled again?
[18:16] <rgreening> yeah. they should not be used at all
[18:17] <lex79> I know... :)
[18:17] <rgreening> I wasn't sure before, which is why I worked around them
[18:17] <lex79> ah ok
[18:17] <rgreening> Oh, and kubuntu_06 is updated and working again
[18:17] <rgreening> so, no TODO anymore :)
[18:17] <lex79> did you try if you can mount partition?
[18:17] <lex79> *partitions
[18:18] <rgreening> Im not running the new one yet, but I am reasonably certain the patch is CORRECT :)
[18:18] <lex79> ok
[18:18] <rgreening> feel free to try it out once it finishes building
[18:19] <rgreening> shadeslayer: did you have the old one installed you were working on? 
[18:19] <lex79> rgreening: btw no need to update akonadi to the ppa, Riddell should just grab the new tar from ktown
[18:19] <lex79> akonadi now is alzo in bzr
[18:20] <shadeslayer> rgreening: i removed it and then tried reinstalling,no go
[18:20] <rgreening> shadeslayer: can you try from a vm or otherwise clean install?
[18:20] <shadeslayer> rgreening: hmm.. ill have to set up a new vm..
[18:20] <rgreening> lex79: yeah, I checked and we are ok with akonadi and soprano
[18:20] <shadeslayer> rgreening: can you try installing the debs?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> ill publish them online...
[18:21] <rgreening> shadeslayer: not at the moment. no maverick vm available, will have to dl iso
[18:21] <rgreening> lex79: ok, so Maverick and Lucid kdelibs updated
[18:22] <shadeslayer> rgreening: how about a chroot?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> im giving up then,kdegames can compile without gluon :P
[18:22] <rgreening> shadeslayer: I may be able to test from a pbuilder instance shortly... let me know when the debs are published
[18:23] <rgreening> never give up :)
[18:24] <shadeslayer> rgreening: ill mail you the debs.. 
[18:26] <rgreening> shadeslayer: I think it may be that you never bumped the ubuntu1 to ubuntu2~ppa1 or similar. the version being installed is technically older than one of the packages already installed. Also, maybe a missing dep to force packages to change together to same rev.
[18:26] <rgreening> shadeslayer: I'll look over the debs when you sned them
[18:27] <shadeslayer> rgreening: yeah im uploading them :)
[18:28] <shadeslayer> rgreening: mail sent
[18:29] <shadeslayer> well gmail still says sending :P
[18:29] <rgreening> lol
[18:29] <shadeslayer> rgreening: :D
[18:30] <lex79> JontheEchidna: what we decided? can we upload the beta when we'll finish or wait the fix for ABI compatibility issues?
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> we definitely want to wait
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> or else we break kdepim + universe apps
[18:31] <lex79> wait sounds good then :)
[18:31] <shadeslayer> rgreening: did you get them debs?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> rgreening: same thing with version bump
[18:35] <shadeslayer> lex79: how long before we release beta to the hungry users?
[18:36] <lex79> we'll release when KDE team will fix the ABI issue...
[18:36] <lex79> dunno when
[18:38] <lex79> we have no rush btw ;)
[18:38] <shadeslayer> heh.. people are already asking for beta 1 :P
[18:44] <apachelogger> fregl: http://ubuntuone.com/p/5Ht/
[18:44] <apachelogger> no clue what that is ^^
[18:45]  * shadeslayer wonders if that means apachelogger has succeded in making ubuntu one work with kde
[18:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it did not work?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what did not work?
[18:48] <apachelogger> u1 with kde?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean the link you posted?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh.. no i dont think so..
[18:48] <apachelogger> I mean whatever you meant
[18:48] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:49] <shadeslayer> well the link does work,just checked,what i meant was if dolphin had ubuntu one integration
[18:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that applicationmenu stuff upstream?
[18:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why would it need that
[18:52] <apachelogger> ?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ok you used the web frontend?
[18:53]  * apachelogger does not follow
[18:53] <shadeslayer> nvm
[18:58] <shadeslayer> rgreening: so... im still waiting :P
[19:01] <shadeslayer> hehe.. im really tired of gluon now.. might just as well just package kdegames without it for now and uploade
[19:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No, just pass it off to someone else then.
[19:02] <ScottK> It's better to take a little longer and do it right.
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: the problem is that everything gets built,but we have overwrite errors
[19:02] <shadeslayer> when installing
[19:02] <ScottK> Then if everything is where it should be, you need to add replaces.
[19:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: replaces?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: this is the first package for maverick btw :)
[19:04] <ScottK> If foo overwrites files in bar, then foo needs "Replaces: bar (<< version) in debian/control to make that OK where version is the version where the files moved.
[19:05] <ScottK> What is doing the overwriting and what is getting overwritten?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> YES!!!!!!!!!!
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i didnt do that though :D
[19:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploading gluon in a few mins
[19:09] <shadeslayer> rgreening: nevermind the debs,theyre perfect :P
[19:17] <apachelogger> \o/ arch
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: any idea why debuild -S -sa tries to sign the files with a  root key? 
[19:18] <shadeslayer> i copied the files from /var/chroot ...
[19:19] <shadeslayer> i get gpg: skipped "root <root@kubuntu.org>": secret key not available
[19:21] <debfx> shadeslayer: you can pass -k<key id> to debuild
[19:22] <debfx> by default it should use the mail adress from the last changelog entry
[19:25] <shadeslayer> uploading gluon :D
[19:34] <shadeslayer> booo... http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/qfrypmSe
[19:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[19:35] <shadeslayer> ive installed the debs locally but still
[19:38] <txwikinger> how do I explain to pbuilder that it should also use universe?
[19:39] <jussi> txwikinger: I may be wrong, but I thin there is a pbuilderrc file somewhere which specifies it
[19:39] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: just specify in pbuilderrc :)
[19:39] <jussi> Its been a good while since I packaged stuff
[19:40] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: here have a cookie http://pastebin.com/LBxNxMqg
[19:41] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: see line 18 :)
[19:41] <shadeslayer> ok anyone up for packaging gluon?
[19:41] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: yep.. I just copied that line :)
[19:41] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: are you free?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> i hate libraries...
[19:47] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: thanks .. that did half of it... the other half was that I had to re-create the pbuilder base
[19:48] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:52] <Quintasan> \o
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: about time you showed up!
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: :D
[19:53]  * shadeslayer will never be this happy on seeing Quintasan 
[19:53] <Quintasan> the hell?
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do you have access to the ninja ppa?
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ive been working on gluon for 4 hours!
[19:53] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://wklej.org/id/341117/  <---- why the hell this may cause FTBFS
[19:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: why? we already have a package for 0.70
[19:54] <shadeslayer> still doesnt install properly
[19:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: not for maverick
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: not ftbfs, applications compiled against KDE 4.4 that have settings dialogs won't run with kdelibs from 4.5
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> or may run, but crash with a symbol lookup error when you try to access the settings
[19:55] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: so what do I need to change in order to have our patch working once again?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: check the ninja ppa for 0.70.0-0ubuntu2~ppa2 itll arrive shortly
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: our patch?
[19:55] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: this is microblogging patch which was written by someone :P
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: then please find the reason why it isnt detected by kdegames..
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: what does that have to do with ABI issues in kdelibs? O_o
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> are you sure that's the cause of the FTBFS?
[19:56] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hgnh, kdeplasma-addons 4.4.3 WONT compile with this patch applied
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> oh
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> hmm, konversation opened up the wrong link when I clicked on yours :D
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> could be a rekonq bug
[19:57] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://wklej.org/id/341122/  <---- tail -n 150 of BUILDLOG
[19:57] <shadeslayer> dont blame it on rekonq :P
[19:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: why should kdegames look for gluon?
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: the error that caused the failure isn't in that log. It's further up
[19:58] <lex79> Quintasan: kdeplasma-addon 4.4.3 is already in archive
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: because its a optional dep
[19:59] <Quintasan> lex79: I know, but we need that patch anways?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/qfrypmSe
[19:59] <lex79> dunno
[19:59] <lex79> :D
[19:59] <Quintasan> well without ?
[19:59] <Quintasan> it's on TODO list
[19:59] <Quintasan> :P
[20:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: did you add libgluon-dev to build-deps?
[20:00] <lex79> Quintasan: what about kdebase? are you doing it?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: thats just the output of cmake ..
[20:01] <Quintasan> lex79: yes I was waiting for libs, then I decided to go to bed, let me try it now
[20:01] <lex79> Quintasan: you have to remove kinfocenter from kdebase
[20:01] <lex79> now it's in -workspace
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and i installed the gluon debs
[20:02] <lex79> JontheEchidna: what's new at UDS about kubuntu-developer team? now is it possible upload all KDE's packages? :D
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> lex79: cjwatson said it was on his todo
[20:03] <lex79> JontheEchidna: and for KDE Universe stuff?
[20:03] <lex79> I mean all packages that depends on kdelibs or Qt...
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> lex79: we reached an agreement that MOTUs will not be rejected just because the work only on KDE, as long as they participate in MOTU-ly activities
[20:04] <lex79> ;)
[20:04] <lex79> oh good
[20:04] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you need to have em in build-depends of kdegames
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> such as FTBFS fixing, package maintenance, participation in the #ubuntu-motu channel
[20:07] <shadeslayer> whoa.. kdelibs takes 2 hours to build?
[20:08] <txwikinger> Riddell: I got kdevelop and kdevplatform merged: Bug #586456 and Bug #586463
[20:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: let me get kdebase to ppa and then I'll look into gluon
[20:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: why don't you just do it in a pbuilder?
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: thanks... ~ppa2 is in the ppa :)
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do what in a pbuilder?
[20:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: building kdegames
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: well Riddell told me to use a chroot and the pbuilder gets destroyed on logout
[20:10] <shadeslayer> i was using pbuilder earlier
[20:10] <Quintasan> @_@
[20:10]  * Quintasan is using pbuilder all the time
[20:10] <Quintasan> too lazy to set up a sbuild
[20:10] <shadeslayer> and the fact that ill have to download all the packages again :P
[20:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: first of all, no need for separate gluonplayer package
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: leinir said that we need to have a seprate package
[20:11] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: set up an apt-mirror
[20:11] <Quintasan> huh? he is quick to change his opinion
[20:11] <Quintasan> well
[20:11] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hmmm will work on that after the exams :)
[20:11] <Quintasan> let me check those changes and merge them to bzr
[20:11] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: :)
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sure :)
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ill be back after 2 hours or so ( if theres no power outage )
[20:12] <Quintasan> lex79: should I build against Qt 4.7?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: have fun with gluon :P
[20:13] <lex79> Quintasan: against Qt 4.7 ~git in ppa, see the version number in the ppa
[20:13] <lex79> and libphon-dev is 4:4.7.0really4.4.1
[20:13] <Quintasan> lex79: okay, testbuilding and uploading
[20:14] <lex79> kk
[20:23] <lex79> I can't build kdesdk :(
[20:23] <lex79> libdirectfb-1.2-9: Conflicts: libdirectfb-1.2-0 but 1.2.8-5ubuntu2 is to be installed.
[20:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: hey
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: hi
[20:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: looks like kdenetwork failed in PPA
[20:25] <rgreening> you looking into that?
[20:25] <debfx> lex79: what package pulls in libdirectfb-1.2-0?
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: my kmail broke so I didn't see
[20:26] <rgreening> np
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> looking in to it
[20:26] <rgreening> you been notified by rg-mail now :)
[20:26] <rgreening> ha
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> rekonq doesn't handle https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/1758225/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.kdenetwork_4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz very well
[20:28] <rgreening> heh
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> wtf, that was the first thing I removed from the .install file :/
[20:28] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: dh_install failed on some missing file in kget4
[20:28] <rgreening> lol
[20:28] <lex79> debfx: libx11-dev depends on libdirectfb
[20:29] <Quintasan> lex79: how do I need to name the orig tar bz2 tarball? debuild keeps creating a tar.gz one
[20:30] <rgreening> Quintasan: for gluon? gluon_0.70.0.orig.tar.gz
[20:31] <Quintasan> rgreening: I'm asking about kdebase
[20:31] <Quintasan> I have kdebase_4.4.80.orig.tar.bz2
[20:31] <lex79> Quintasan: did you switch to source format 3.0?
[20:31] <Quintasan> lex79: yeah
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: is the version right in debian/changelog?
[20:31] <Quintasan> 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[20:32] <rgreening> and the kdebase dir is kdebase-4.4.80
[20:32] <lex79> Quintasan: uhm, do you have debian/source directory?
[20:32] <rgreening> Quintasan: a tar.gz file will get created instead of a .diff.gz btw
[20:32] <Quintasan> lex79: of course :D
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> you should have a .dsc, debian.tar.gz and orig.tar.bz2
[20:32] <rgreening> exactly as JontheEchidna says
[20:32] <debfx> lex79: are you sure?
[20:33] <lex79> debfx: nope, I'm checking :P
[20:35] <Quintasan> oh, awesome
[20:35] <Quintasan> it works now
[20:35] <Quintasan> automagically fixed
[20:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I found the problem in kdeplasma-addons patch http://wklej.org/id/341162/
[20:38] <Quintasan> however
[20:38] <Quintasan> that line is declarated only one time in this file >_<
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: what's on line 141 of the patched file?
[20:39] <Quintasan> QGraphicsWidget *m_graphicsWidget;
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: could you paste the whole patched file?
[20:40] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:40] <Quintasan> wait a moment
[20:40] <Quintasan> I think it's already there
[20:42] <Quintasan> yeah
[20:43] <rgreening> Quintasan: src format 3.0 applies the patches. you need to quilt pop -a to see the pristine src
[20:43] <rgreening> when you debuild -S it applies the patches and leaves them applied.
[20:43] <rgreening> messed with my head at first.
[20:49] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: kdenetwork hates you. ftbfs: kdepimlibs5-dev: Depends: libakonadi-contact4 (= 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but it is not going to be installed
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> FFFFFFUUUUU-
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> probably just archive skew
[20:49] <rgreening> oh
[20:50] <rgreening> so retry?
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> once the latest kdepimlibs is published, I suppose
[20:50] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: was published 7 hrs ago 
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> :S
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> then kdepimlibs is fscked
[20:52] <lex79> maybe kdepimlibs shoul rebuild against new tar of akonadi
[20:52] <lex79> +d
[20:53] <lex79> ah no, is already done
[20:54] <Quintasan> was kappfinder moved somewhere?
[20:55] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I think the issue is workspace
[20:55] <rgreening> In pbuilder : sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:55] <rgreening> results in : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:55] <rgreening>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin but it is not going to be installed
[20:56] <lex79> -workspace is ftbs in ppa
[20:57] <rgreening> ah.. nvm 
[20:59] <Quintasan> yeah
[20:59] <Quintasan> patch works
[21:01] <Quintasan> lex79: do we need kdebase very quickly? I won't be able to finish it today -> http://wklej.org/id/341183/
[21:01] <Quintasan> besides my dad is already getting annoying
[21:01] <lex79> no need I think
[21:02] <Quintasan> well I'm going then, would be awesome if you could highlight me at some point and tell wth is with those symbols
[21:11] <neversfelde> meh, kdeutils is still not ready and I am afraid, I have to sleep soon :(
[21:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: poke
[21:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: did you get around to making gluon work?
[21:24] <shadeslayer> i guess hes gone
[21:24] <shadeslayer> lex79: got some time?
[21:37] <nixternal> hey, do we have 4.5 packages for lucid yet?
[21:37] <nixternal> someone asked me while I was out and about today and I didn't know
[21:37] <shadeslayer> nixternal: no :P
[21:38] <nixternal> shadeslayer: any idea when we will? i have been afk pretty much all week working on stuff
[21:38] <shadeslayer> nixternal: hehe.. well lex79 said not for another few days :)
[21:39] <shadeslayer> kdenetwork still has issues..
[21:39] <nixternal> ok, groovy..thanks for the update...now when people ask me on twitter I will know as well :)
[21:40] <nixternal> fyi: our kde netbook remix > * I have tried in the past few days
[21:40] <shadeslayer> nixternal: hehe.. same here :D
[21:40] <nixternal> meego, chrome os, opensuse, arch, ubuntu (light w/ unity, moblin remix)
[21:40] <shadeslayer> there goes kdebindings as well :P
[21:41] <shadeslayer> nixternal: where did you get meego from?
[21:41] <nixternal> after playing with my droid phone for the past month, i realized i would love for my netbook to have similar features
[21:41] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/0.9.80.1.20100330.1/core/images/ ??
[21:41] <jjesse> nixternal ubuntu 10.04 netbook beats plasma-netb ook any day of the week
[21:41] <nixternal> thus far, choqok is the best linux twitter client there is, kopete > empathy any day of the week, banshee doesn't do daap worth a shit which makes it a useless client for me and I am sure many others (amarok does by the way)
[21:42] <nixternal> jjesse: I highly disagree
[21:42] <nixternal> it may be a tad bit faster, but the apps aren't that great
[21:42] <jjesse> nixternal: well i use the kde apps as well, but ubuntu netbook + chrome = faster then kubutnu netbook for sme reason
[21:42] <nixternal> i am still not a fan of the plasma-netbook interface yet, but app wise it is better
[21:43] <nixternal> meego is probably the fastest I have tried yet
[21:43] <nixternal> and probably has one of the nicer interfaces
[21:43] <jjesse> is there an iso for meego?
[21:43] <shadeslayer> jjesse: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/0.9.80.1.20100330.1/core/images/
[21:43] <nixternal> Qt 4.6 SDK, BUT IT USES GTK APPS THAT SUCK!
[21:43] <shadeslayer> jjesse: well this is better http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/
[21:43] <jjesse> shadeslayer do i download the meego preview netbook core?
[21:44] <nixternal> evolution for email, empathy for im, who knows what for twitter, banshee for music, chrome for internet
[21:44] <nixternal> chrome is fine, but for some reason the one with meego is slow as all hell
[21:44] <nixternal> jjesse: yes
[21:44] <nixternal> that has chromium, the other has chrome non-oss version
[21:44] <nixternal> or non-free version
[21:44] <shadeslayer> yeps :)
[21:44] <nixternal> i like the Myzone interface, as it shows everything in one area
[21:45] <nixternal> email, tasks, calendar, twitter, last.fm, and chat
[21:45] <nixternal> jjesse: if you have a mini 10v, the mouse drivers are absolute garbage with meego
[21:45] <Riddell> evening
[21:45] <jjesse> http://meego.com/downloads/releases/netbook for the .img to download
[21:45] <nixternal> also you have to do a special install for wifi drivers
[21:45] <jjesse> nixternal i have a mini 9
[21:45] <nixternal> jjesse: yes
[21:45] <maco> Riddell: good evening, jonathan!
[21:46] <nixternal> howdy Riddell 
[21:46] <jjesse> its wierd how much slower my buddies 10 responds vs. my mini 9
[21:46] <nixternal> i want to try netbook 4.5...really interested in seeing where it is going, and i don't feel like building it
[21:46] <nixternal> jjesse: yeah, my mini 10v is about as slow as one can get
[21:46] <nixternal> I think my droid phone is faster
[21:47] <nixternal> but my 10v has been killing hard drive after hard drive
[21:47] <nixternal> wish it had bluetooth, but i won't complain since it was free...but it is helping me pinpoint where netbook editions are going right and wrong
[21:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we have gluon in the ppa but kdegames does not pick it up
[21:48] <nixternal> overall, meego was a disappointment for me
[21:48] <jjesse> nixternal on my buddies 10v i can see the screen actually referesh
[21:48] <shadeslayer> nixternal: really?
[21:48] <nixternal> i don't have that problem
[21:49] <nixternal> shadeslayer: yeah, it is loaded with gtk apps, when there are qt/kde based apps that blow away the apps that are on there
[21:49] <nixternal> amarok > banshee imho
[21:49] <neversfelde> n800's maemo was a disappointment and I realized back in theses days, that it will last a long time until maemo/meego will be read for everyday use :)
[21:49] <nixternal> kopete > empathy
[21:49] <shadeslayer> nixternal: ah that way :)
[21:49] <neversfelde> seems that it still needs some time
[21:49] <nixternal> though I do like the empathy feature that will find people on the same network/LAN you are on
[21:49] <rgreening> Riddell, ScottK, JontheEchidna: kde packages depending in phonon-backend-xine are broken due to libsdl1.2debian package requiring libdirectfb-1.2-9 for libsdl1.2debian-alsa, but Candidate: 1.2.10.0-3ubuntu1. 
[21:49] <nixternal> shadeslayer: yeah, otherwise it is a damn good start for a really good netbook operating system
[21:49] <rgreening> so our PPA is choked with builds that are all ftbfs
[21:50] <shadeslayer> nixternal: i actually met Pankaj Kedia from Intel and he said that there were some improvements in the pipeline
[21:50] <nixternal> shadeslayer: oh, I know there are, and I can't wait to see them honestly
[21:50] <Riddell> rgreening: fooey
[21:51] <shadeslayer> nixternal: and there was blog entry showing off a new gui or something
[21:51] <rgreening> Riddell: ya. not sure, but I assume since we synced with debian, this must be an issue in debian as well
[21:51] <nixternal> shadeslayer: newer than what was just released?
[21:52] <debfx> vlc 1.1.0 rc and vlc phonon backend: https://launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/experimental :)
[21:52] <shadeslayer> nixternal: idk
[21:52] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, I did my part and found what the issue was, care to see about resolving it? As I cannot upload SDL to main
[21:52] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://www.blogsdna.com/10543/meego-1-0-for-netbooks-and-nokia-n900-now-available-for-download.htm
[21:53] <nixternal> speaking of vlc, i was at a car show this week, and someone did an awesome ass multimedia thing for a custom car, it was Kubuntu + VLC + some fancy GPS app
[21:53] <rgreening> and I have to eat sooninsh
[21:53] <nixternal> though, you didn't know it was Kubuntu, because when it started it goes right into their app
[21:54] <shadeslayer> nixternal: so how did you guess?
[21:54] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:54] <nixternal> shadeslayer: yeah, that is the current interface...quite nice actually
[21:54] <lex79> Riddell: seems kdebingings in lucid needs the new version of pkg-kde-tools 
[21:54] <shadeslayer> nixternal: yeah.. i can see that :P
[21:54] <nixternal> shadeslayer: they guy saw my ubuntu hat and said, "Well this runs Kubuntu, I am guessing you have heard of that?"
[21:54] <shadeslayer> nixternal: lol
[21:54] <lex79> Riddell: I mean kdebindings backport
[21:54] <nixternal> I should have asked, "What's Kubuntu?"
[21:55] <shadeslayer> nixternal: hehe :)
[21:55] <nixternal> I wanted to know more about their app, but the guy wouldn't/didn't go into details
[21:55] <Riddell> debfx: does it work?
[21:55] <lex79> Riddell: can we backport pkg-kde-tools or is dangerous? :)
[21:56] <shadeslayer> lex79: it could potentially break all our packages :P
[21:56] <shadeslayer> well.. thats worst case scenario anyway 
[21:57] <Riddell> lex79: I guess it can be backported yes
[21:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw i think we can safely ignore the gluon dep for kdegames... maybe release with beta 2? or if someone is willing to package gluon properly ill be too happy to put it as a dep in kdegames
[21:58] <lex79> Riddell: ok
[21:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: having problems with it?
[21:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its in the ppa,it builds,it installs,kdegames doesnt pick it up
[21:59] <lex79> shadeslayer: did you see if there's a new version? maybe it's too old for kdegames
[21:59] <shadeslayer> lex79: 0.70.0 is latest alpha
[22:00] <lex79> released when?
[22:00] <shadeslayer> lex79: after that its git all the way
[22:00] <shadeslayer> lex79: last month i think
[22:00] <rgreening> shadeslayer: check the buildlog to see if it detected gluon
[22:01] <rgreening> it may very well require a newer (possibly git) version.
[22:01] <debfx> Riddell: it crashes from time to time
[22:02] <shadeslayer> rgreening: btw the website doesnt say,im assuming this from the date the topic was set in #gluon
[22:03] <shadeslayer> rgreening: hold on.. lemme get the logs,then i can show you a pastebin
[22:03] <shadeslayer> Gluon Alpha 1 released on April 11
[22:04] <shadeslayer> rgreening: lex79 http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/qfrypmSe
[22:05] <lex79> shadeslayer: it will be just too old, we can wait the new version
[22:06] <shadeslayer> lex79: uh what?
[22:06] <lex79> alpha1 maybe is too old, we can wait the new version
[22:07] <lex79> or try to packaging the git version ;)
[22:07] <shadeslayer> ok.. so we wait for new version of gluon?
[22:07] <shadeslayer> ill talk to leinir 
[22:08] <rgreening> shadeslayer: we need a new gluon. shadeslayer/lex79, feel free to get a git snaphot and package it.
[22:08] <shadeslayer> lex79: rgreening no!
[22:09] <rgreening> ?
[22:09] <shadeslayer> rgreening: the problem is in granatier
[22:09] <shadeslayer> rgreening: can you join #gluon ?
[22:09] <rgreening> whats the issue?
[22:09] <rgreening> ok
[22:12] <apachelogger> most interesting: stracing a small demo app on arch requires less than 350 open(), where the same app built on kubuntu requires >950
[22:13] <apachelogger> that should be looked into 
[22:13] <apachelogger> also for some reason on kubuntu it is built again libasound which seems a bit odd
[22:13] <apachelogger> s/built again/linked against
[22:13] <apachelogger> same for libqtgui as I just noticed
[22:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think you just need to set -DGRANATIER_USE_GLUON_SOUND_BACKEND when building kdegames
[22:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ill have a look
[22:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so add  DEB_CMAKE_CUSTOM_FLAGS += -DGRANATIER_USE_GLUON_SOUND_BACKEND  in debian/rules
[22:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what would the cmake line be ? for just doing a simple cmake?
[22:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DGRANATIER_USE_GLUON_SOUND_BACKEND ..
[22:19] <rgreening> Riddell: forcing via hard deps when the cmake module uses an appropriate macro is bad form no?
[22:19] <Riddell> rgreening: I think xine just needs a rebuild
[22:19] <Riddell> let me try
[22:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Parse error in command line argument: -DGRANATIER_USE_GLUON_SOUND_BACKEND
[22:19] <rgreening> k
[22:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DGRANATIER_USE_GLUON_SOUND_BACKEND=true ..
[22:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: same thing 
[22:20] <Riddell> rgreening: looking at granatier/CMakeLists.txt that's what is required
[22:20] <rgreening> I thought the macros was looking for a FindKAL.cmake file which should set the option?
[22:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/iDVvAPn7
[22:21] <Riddell> rgreening: that only gets run if you manually define -DGRANATIER_USE_GLUON_SOUND_BACKEND http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdegames/granatier/CMakeLists.txt?revision=1078330&view=markup
[22:22] <rgreening> hmm... okies
[22:22] <rgreening> my bad
[22:25] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/8U5ZBh0m  that's what I get if I take away the QUIET
[22:26] <Riddell> so the question is why don't we have FindGluonCommon.cmake
[22:26] <rgreening> yes
[22:26] <rgreening> or the KAL 
[22:26] <Riddell> right
[22:28] <Riddell> there's no such thing in the gluon source package
[22:28] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you taking kdenetwork and uploading for lucid? It's one of a couple of remaining packages
[22:28] <Riddell> so maybe the code in kdegames is too old
[22:28] <Riddell> rgreening: I had started on kdenetwork before going out and then you got me distracted with xine :)
[22:29] <rgreening> Riddell: xine [22:29] <rgreening> :)
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: uploading to ninjas?
[22:29] <rgreening> ya
[22:29] <shadeslayer> from #gluon : 02:58 < ahiemstra> shadeslayer: it will also need changes at the code level, as all classes have been renamed and moved into the  GluonAudio namespace
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> I can't at the moment. I'm trying to get a printer working
[22:29] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: np
[22:29] <lex79> JontheEchidna: where's kdeplasma-addons? :)
[22:30] <lex79> seems not in ninja
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> really? :s
[22:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'll do kdenetwork
[22:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so the code in kdegames is out of date and we can't use gluon after all, sigh
[22:31] <neversfelde> kdeutils needs kdelirc removed and kremotecontroll added, sorry, I cannot finis it before monday
[22:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :(
[22:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so upload without gluon?
[22:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes indeed.  at least we have a gluon package for developers who want it.  I'll fix kdegames in svn to not suggest use of gluon
[22:33] <shadeslayer> okies..
[22:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i need  to update gluon package as well,missed the gluon player install file :P
[22:33] <rgreening> Riddell: did that rebuild work?
[22:34] <Riddell> rgreening: the one that's still going on?
[22:34] <rgreening> lol
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> lex79: could you sponsor it from bzr? revision 108, once it gets there
[22:34] <Riddell> hard to tell, it's busy compiling and i don't want to ask it
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> the internet here is suck
[22:34] <lex79> ok
[22:34] <rgreening> I though the internet was for p0rn
[22:34] <Riddell> gosh, coolo and kalle, that's old school KDE
[22:35] <Riddell> !ahem, inappropriate language
[22:35]  * Riddell has been on a child protection course tonight
[22:35] <rgreening> :)
[22:36] <rgreening> its not the worst thing Ive seen here
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ill add the python twisted dep though
[22:37] <Riddell> revision 1131277
[22:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks LD
[22:38] <shadeslayer> :D
[22:38] <shadeslayer> nixternal: ping
[22:38] <rgreening> $ error: LD not found
[22:38] <shadeslayer> nixternal: do you have a wget'able link for meego?
[22:39] <shadeslayer> rgreening: :P
[22:40] <Riddell> rgreening: xine rebuild did the truck, uploading now
[22:40] <rgreening> wheee
[22:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: strangely gluonplayer does not need a .install file \o/
[22:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: um, I'm pretty sure it will
[22:41] <neversfelde> so if someone wants to take over kdeutils, no problem. Some libs need a push from 4.0.0 to 4.5.0 in the install files. Otherwise I fill finish it after weekend
[22:42] <Riddell> thanks neversfelde, we'll get it done
[22:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i dont know, dh_install --list-missing doesnt show anything
[22:42] <lex79> JontheEchidna: done, also for lucid
[22:42] <neversfelde> kk
[22:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is it getting installed inside another package?
[22:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: find debian -name gluonplayer 
[22:43] <maco> rgreening: topposter!
[22:43] <rgreening> ?
[22:44] <rgreening> whatcha talkin bout willus (maco)?
[22:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/SPY3BYLr
[22:45]  * rgreening doesn't see me as top anything
[22:45] <shadeslayer> anyone want a direct link to meego ? 
[22:45] <shadeslayer> like a wget'able link
[22:46] <maco> rgreening: you top-posted on the mailing list
[22:46] <rgreening> oh, hmm, blarg
[22:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm
[22:47]  * rgreening is so used to business communication where you reply with the points on top
[22:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i took the packaging from kubuntu beta ppa
[22:47] <shadeslayer> uploaded there by Quintasan 
[22:48] <shadeslayer> added a gluon player entry in control file,and forgot the .install file :P
[22:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so it's in the gluonengine package
[22:48] <shadeslayer> i believe so yes
[22:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: probably best to move it out of gluonengine and into gluonplayer
[22:49] <Riddell> at least going by that pdf from leinir
[22:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm ok,so i just have to make a gluonplayer.install file
[22:49] <Riddell> and edit the gluonengine.install file
[22:50] <Riddell> right, kdenetwork uploaded
[22:50] <Riddell> xine uploaded
[22:51] <Riddell> I need to sleep.  but we'll get this done for tomorrow!
[22:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: same here :P
[22:51] <shadeslayer> its 3.30 AM xD
[22:51] <Riddell> hardcore
[22:52] <Riddell> extra points for being on one of those weird +30m timezones :)
[22:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: haha kdegames wont build :P
[22:52] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/TdqvUhLD
[22:53] <Riddell> what's in debian-changes-4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~ppa1 ?
[22:53] <lex79> shadeslayer: you have to remove debian-changes-4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[22:53] <Riddell> probably it's gettext lines for the .desktop file
[22:53] <lex79> from debian/patches and series
[22:53] <shadeslayer> lex79: uh ok,gluon has a similar patch..
[22:53] <Riddell> right
[22:54] <shadeslayer> lex79: so do i remove that patch from gluon as well?
[22:54] <lex79> dunno, if it doesn't want build, yes
[22:54]  * shadeslayer kicks quilt out of control file
[22:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will upload kdegames and new gluon and then.. study :
[22:56] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:02] <fregl> apachelogger: http://ktown.kde.org/~gladhorn/fluffy/kopete.png
[23:03] <apachelogger> hm
[23:03] <apachelogger> fregl: is that from open-desktop.org?
[23:03] <fregl> found on kde-look - I didn't create that abomination
[23:03] <fregl> yes
[23:03] <apachelogger> ah, ok, that background was a bit unsettling ^^
[23:03] <fregl> needs some work, but I think it's a good start
[23:03] <shadeslayer> gluon is up..
[23:03] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:04] <apachelogger> oh
[23:04] <fregl> hmmmmm :) gluon, yay!
[23:04] <apachelogger> I seem to remember that I promised leinir to do gluon stuff ^^
[23:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe.. its in ninja ppa ( maverick )
[23:04] <fregl> apachelogger: if only leinir would stop talking... I can still hear him in my head ;)
[23:05] <shadeslayer> lex79: hehe pkg-kde-tools failed :P
[23:05] <lex79> :)
[23:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh and lucid is already in beta ppa ;)
[23:05] <apachelogger> fregl: good thing mrmarble was talking before lunch, so he had to stop at some point and go eat :P
[23:05] <fregl> hehe
[23:06] <fregl> true, that would have been much worse :P
[23:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how many mailing lists are you on? ( just saw you on plasma-devel as well :P )
[23:07] <apachelogger> well
[23:07] <apachelogger> lets see
[23:07] <apachelogger> 3 secret amarok lists :P
[23:07] <apachelogger> amarok-devel
[23:07] <apachelogger> debian-kde
[23:07] <apachelogger> fdo's distro list
[23:08] <shadeslayer> can someone poke the kdeartwork rebuild? its waiting since 10 hours
[23:08] <apachelogger> kde devel, edu, events, l10n, packager, pim, promo, release, service-devel, www, plasna
[23:08] <shadeslayer> whoa
[23:08] <apachelogger> kubuntu de, 2 secret list, dev
[23:08] <apachelogger> ubuntu announce, dailydebs, devel, gsoc, motu
[23:08] <apachelogger> I think that is about all :P
[23:09] <apachelogger> now I also know why kmail claims I have 2580 unread mails
[23:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wow.. that reminds me,i need to subscribe to motu
[23:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where can i find kde-packager?
[23:09] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[23:09] <apachelogger> fregl: sabine just sent stuffs
[23:10] <fregl> apachelogger: now that is scary :D awesome
[23:10] <fregl> I only saw the pic on fakebook
[23:11]  * apachelogger is not seeing anything because he wrote 1500 sloc and a thinking aloud test report today
[23:11]  * fregl uses knode for some of the mailinglists - works just peachy
[23:11] <apachelogger> oh, never tried that
[23:11] <apachelogger> that said
[23:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am also subscribed to a billion billion news groups ;)
[23:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe :D
[23:11] <apachelogger> fregl: http://imagebin.ca/view/nqirVb49.html
[23:12] <fregl> the kopete background is really scary indeedy
[23:12] <apachelogger> told ya :P
[23:12] <fregl> well, that adds to the scary :) I like it
[23:18] <shadeslayer> whee.. kdegames at 100 pc :)
[23:20] <apachelogger> fregl: added in wallpapers/src
[23:20] <fregl> :)
[23:21] <shadeslayer> hah... spoke to soon,failed :P
[23:21] <apachelogger> it is a super large gimp file, so we can scale that to a plasma multi-size-wallpaper-set
[23:21] <fregl> the "makes my teeth hurt" also comes as svg - though I don't like it as much as the horsies
[23:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you making your own distro or something? :P
[23:22] <apachelogger> fregl: http://imagebin.ca/view/e9Sudn.html
[23:23] <apachelogger> clashes a bit with the clock unfortunately
[23:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, a fluffy one :P
[23:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: me?
[23:23] <fregl> apachelogger: omfg that is so 'orrible :D
[23:23] <shadeslayer> meh XD
[23:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[23:24] <fregl> finally a good fork of kubuntu ;)
[23:24] <fregl> we still need to announce it on the interwebs...
[23:24] <apachelogger> only once I have sorted the ridiculous amount of open() calls
[23:24] <apachelogger> fregl: for that we need a myspace website
[23:24] <apachelogger> who was supposed to make that?
[23:24] <apachelogger> eean?
[23:25] <fregl> hm, I'll pink him
[23:25] <apachelogger> cool
[23:25]  * apachelogger continues transcribing
[23:27] <fregl> apachelogger: why the lips next to the horse say smack is a mystery to me though...
[23:28] <apachelogger> probably some teen slang for huggles or something
[23:29] <apachelogger> fregl: shall I ask for you?
[23:29] <apachelogger> writing a reply right now
[23:29] <fregl> :D
[23:29] <fregl> apachelogger: we should start asking vor venture capital for this
[23:29] <fregl> s/vor/for
[23:30] <apachelogger> whom do we ask
[23:30] <apachelogger> sabdfl1: would you be interessted in sponsoring a fluffy distribution? http://imagebin.ca/view/e9Sudn.html
[23:31] <shtylman> (facepalm)
[23:31]  * maco used to use that theme for a bit, along with a pink colour scheme for oxygen and a floral wallpaper
[23:31] <maco> silly boys have no taste!
[23:31] <maco> (kidding kidding. i mean, i *did* do that...but yeah...its garish)
[23:32]  * apachelogger finds it awesome
[23:32]  * apachelogger is getting mail fllod
[23:32] <apachelogger> -l +o
[23:33]  * shadeslayer is blasted away by pinkiness... fights back with blue
[23:33] <shadeslayer> pink.... its taking over the world
[23:35] <shadeslayer> whee what fun, i have to adjust all of these : http://pastebin.com/JQRnDerk
[23:35] <shadeslayer> what a nightmare
[23:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any idea which install file does line 5 of http://pastebin.com/JQRnDerk go to?
[23:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: install files here : http://pastebin.com/z0BxWe6i
[23:41] <shadeslayer> meh.. ill do it tommorow :P
[23:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: huge mess with kdegames : http://pastebin.com/JQRnDerk : will complete later
[23:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://granjow.net/imagePages/kde-randa/fotos-kde-randa-html_to_2010-05-22-DSC_0081-JPG.html do I really look that old? Oo
[23:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is that UDS?
[23:43] <apachelogger> no, KDE MM+Edu sprint
[23:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah :)
[23:45] <apachelogger> horrible though
[23:46] <apachelogger> the picture, makes me look way too old