[09:55] <hannie> What does \gls mean?
[09:56] <hannie> Should I translate things like: \gls{panel}?
[10:02] <hannie> What does \gls mean?
[10:03] <hannie> Should I translate things like: \gls{panel} into \gls{paneel}?
[10:06] <hannie> I think gls means glossary
[10:09] <nisshh> hannie: yes \gls is glossary
[10:10] <hannie> So I should translate {panel}
[10:10] <nisshh> hannie: i think you can translate the text INSIDE the command but NOT the command itself
[10:11] <hannie> ok, is that the same with ss:(English text} where ss is screenshot (not to be translated?
[10:11] <hannie> ss: (no smiley!) but screenshot
[10:27] <nisshh> hannie: yea sorry thats right
[10:27] <nisshh> hannie: dont translate ANY tex commands
[10:30] <hannie> I think I am getting the picture. I do NOT translate \gls, ss, ch etc. But I DO translate text between {}
[10:31] <hannie> Example: \newglossaryentry{Ethernet port} becomes \newglossaryentry{Ethernet-poort}
[10:34] <hannie> Or should it be: \newglossaryentry{Ethernet port}{name={Ethernet-poort}
[10:40] <nisshh> hannie: im not the best person to ask about translations
[10:40] <nisshh> godbyk: ^^^^
[10:40] <ChrisWoollard> Have you checked the style guide?
[10:41] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: is there translator stuff in there>
[10:41] <nisshh> ?
[10:43] <hannie> It is rather a matter of syntax, not style
[10:46] <hannie> What I need to know is: what happens with the text between {} after \newglossaryentry? Is this the entry of the English or the Dutch glossary?
[10:52] <nisshh> thats the name of the actual glossary entry, i im pretty sure you need to translate that
[10:56] <hannie> ay, ay, ay, I am not so sure. After \newglossaryentry{text} you get {name={text}, description={text}}.
[10:57] <hannie> I DO translate {text} 2 and 3, but I am not sure about {text} 1
[10:57] <thorwil> i would expect there to be one label that shouldn't be translated
[10:58] <hannie> And that is \newglossaryentry{text}?
[11:00] <hannie> Perhaps it's a good idea to send an email about this to the ubuntu-manual mailing list. I think I will try that.
[11:03] <ubuntujenkins>  hannie look at /topic it has the stlye guide with lots of information for translators
[11:12] <hannie> I tried this: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/topic
[11:12] <hannie> Where do I type /topic?
[11:12] <ubuntujenkins> type "/topic" in the irc window
[11:15] <ubuntujenkins> got it hannie ?
[11:15] <hannie> This doesn't work: /topic style guide
[11:15] <hannie> I am sorry, I am a beginner here
[11:16] <ubuntujenkins> type just "/topic"
[11:16] <ubuntujenkins> no problem
[11:16] <ubuntujenkins> http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf is what you want
[11:17] <hannie> Thanks
[11:18] <hannie> When I type /topic I get a message: you are not allowed to change the subject
[11:18] <ubuntujenkins> strange i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/440321/
[11:19] <hannie> I have downloaded the style-guide.pdf file. I am going to read it. Thanks for the tip
[11:28] <hannie> Style-guide.pdf says:  \newglossaryentry{⟨keyword⟩}{name={⟨term⟩}, description={⟨definition⟩} where (term) and (definition) are in RED. These should be translated, NOT (keyword), which is in BLACK.
[11:28] <hannie> Thank you all for helping me out :)
[11:28] <nisshh> hannie: no prob, thanks for persevering through my lame translation knowledge
[11:29] <hannie> ;)
[11:50] <ChrisWoollard> Hannie: Sorry for not responding further. I have had network problems.
[12:03] <hannie> ok, I have downloaded the style-guide.pdf file
[12:05] <ChrisWoollard> I hope it helped
[12:05] <hannie> There is a lot of reading there :(
[12:05] <hannie> But thanks anyway
[16:11] <rickspencer3> humphreybc, hey, so I should use LaTeX to start the developer's manual, right?
[16:12] <nisshh> rickspencer3: i didnt know it was you doing the dev manual :)
[16:15] <rickspencer3> nisshh, well, I'm "editor" and I have a few chapters
[16:15] <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/DeveloperManual
[16:15] <nisshh> rickspencer3: cool, i may contribute to it too
[16:16] <rickspencer3> nisshh, http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developers-manual
[16:16] <rickspencer3> oops
[16:16] <rickspencer3> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual
[16:23] <humphreybc> rickspencer3: I'm about to head to sleep, it's pretty late here. Have a chat with godbyk, he should be around today
[16:23] <humphreybc> LaTeX should be good though yeah
[16:23] <rickspencer3> thanks dude
[16:24] <rickspencer3> I want to make the first commit today or tonight
[16:24] <rickspencer3> sleep well!
[16:24] <humphreybc> godbyk's our latex guy so he'll be able to hook you up with some sweet templates etc
[16:25] <nisshh> rickspencer3: latex kicks-ass, its awesome for this sort of thing
[16:25] <rickspencer3> I've never used it
[16:25] <rickspencer3> I installed a Lyx, thought that might help me get started
[16:26] <rickspencer3> is the manual in LaTeX format?
[16:26] <rickspencer3> Can I just copy from that?
[16:26] <ubuntujenkins> its really easy to learn to write in latex
[16:26] <ubuntujenkins> yep manual is in latex
[16:31] <ubuntujenkins> I am not sure on exactly what stuff you would need to copy from the manual.
[16:37] <nisshh> you would probably have to modify whatever you copy, since the dev manual will probably be structured differently
[16:40] <ChrisWoollard> That looks really cool.
[16:41] <ChrisWoollard> the developers manual that is.
[17:44] <godbyk> home again, home again, jiggity jig.
[17:46]  * vish silently loosens a few more bolts in godbyk's cars :p
[17:47] <godbyk> lol
[17:47] <godbyk> It did manage to get me to the grocery store and back last night.
[19:24] <daker> hey @all
[19:26] <flan> Hi, daker.
[19:27] <daker> wassup ?
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins>  the sky :P
[19:29] <daker> yeah :p
[19:30]  * ubuntujenkins goes back to revision
[19:30] <daker> good luck :)
[19:31] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[19:44] <daker> Waw the new website is looking great
[19:44] <daker> ubuntu.com
[20:42] <c7p> godbyk: ping
[20:43] <godbyk> c7p: pong
[20:44] <c7p> is there anything new about the greek manual :)
[20:50] <godbyk> c7p: not yet. sorry. I've been busy with work and car repair the past couple days.
[20:50] <godbyk> I'll try to work on it a bit later tonight, though.
[20:52] <c7p> godbyk: ok np :) hope you finish it soon
[20:54] <godbyk> c7p: We'll get there, don't worry!  The first one always takes a bit longer. :)
[20:55] <c7p> godbyk: hehe I know, we had previous experience with index, fonts .. etc!
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ping
[22:26] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: pong
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> I was bored in a lecture and was thinking about the ubuntu-manual program there are a few issues with the current idea
[22:27] <godbyk> cool. fire away!
[22:27] <ubuntujenkins> we said we would download them from the website but we need to store them in /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-manual. the permissons are root only. It is rather silly to need root permissions to download a pdf
[22:28]  * ubuntujenkins is a slow typer
[22:28] <ubuntujenkins> so I am thinking of packaging each one. but we then have to work out how easy it is to get stuff in universe after release
[22:29] <ubuntujenkins> also it the user had no interent and got the package at work or an internet cafe. they would then be anoyed that they have to somehow get internet again.
[22:29] <godbyk> true.
[22:29] <godbyk> we could also store it in their homedir.
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> but then it has to be downloaded for every user on the pc
[22:30] <godbyk> (in, say, ~/.local/share/ubuntu-manual/)
[22:30] <godbyk> true
[22:31] <ubuntujenkins> and ~/.local/share/ubuntu-manual/) its not the convetionally correct way to do it. I think convetions are supposed to be stuck to
[22:33] <godbyk> well, there is some convention (XDG directories) and we'd follow that convention if we put it in someone's home directory.
[22:33] <ubuntujenkins> I am just asking in #ubuntu-motu about getting stuff in universe after release
[22:33] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> I did some very rough sketches of the old work flow, which ment i found this problem
[22:35] <godbyk> right
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> do the team know its the doc/manual/learning meeting on monday 31st 16.00 utc?
[22:36] <godbyk> I don't know if anyone's paid attention to that.
[22:36] <godbyk> I may be in a meeting IRL at that time; I'm not sure yet.
[22:36] <godbyk> I'll attend if I can, though.
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> I saw the email
[22:36] <ubuntujenkins> IRL?
[22:36] <godbyk> in real life.
[22:37] <ubuntujenkins> ok, i can make it as its a bank holiday for me
[22:37] <godbyk> (I think it's one of those old-school acronyms that you kids don't use anymore. :-))
[22:38] <godbyk> Ooh, good point. It's a federal holiday here, too, so maybe I won't have that meeting.
[22:39]  * ubuntujenkins hmm #ubuntu-motu is quite
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> 83307
[23:25]  * ubuntujenkins ops not empathy
[23:40] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:53] <ChrisWoollard> It felt like a very quiet evening here today.
[23:57] <ChrisWoollard> Goodnight