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| humphreybc | mpt: have I missed the UX meeting, or is it starting in half an hour? | 12:30 |
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| wers | humphreybc, i think, it's starting in half an hour | 12:32 |
| humphreybc | ah, good | 12:33 |
| hyperair | there hasn't been activity in this channel for over 12 hours in any case =) | 12:33 |
| hyperair | er, i think. | 12:33 |
| humphreybc | okay | 12:34 |
| vish | yummy , meeting today ;) | 12:38 |
| humphreybc | vish: I'm afraid I don't share your enthusiasm :) | 12:39 |
| humphreybc | what happened last week? | 12:39 |
| humphreybc | have we decided what we're actually meant to be doing yet? | 12:39 |
| vish | humphreybc: last week , we all forgot and only aday and godby showed up [iirc , that is what i remember from reading the logs] ;p | 12:40 |
| humphreybc | aren't we a productive team | 12:40 |
| vish | humphreybc: nah , mpt had mentioned he wont be available and probably all thought no meeting | 12:41 |
| wers | yep. that's probably why | 12:41 |
| humphreybc | ah | 12:41 |
| vish | well thats what i thought :D | 12:41 |
| mpt | humphreybc, would you like to give a summary of the UDS usability testing discussion today? | 12:49 |
| humphreybc | uuuuuuuum | 12:49 |
| humphreybc | I can try, from what I remember. godbyk was in on the session too, he can help :) | 12:49 |
| humphreybc | I'm sure between the both of us we'll get through it | 12:49 |
| mpt | thanks | 12:50 |
| humphreybc | how's your day going Matt | 12:52 |
| mpt | sluggishly | 12:54 |
| mpt | How's your evening? :-) | 12:54 |
| wers | 6 minutes to go | 12:54 |
| humphreybc | surprisingly productive | 12:54 |
| vish | mpt: hi , your thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/423525/comments/13 ? | 12:55 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 423525 in One Hundred Paper Cuts ""IBus daemon is not started" message unhelpful" [Low,Triaged] | 12:55 |
| humphreybc | went into uni and actually finished some labs, which is more than I've got done at home. Uni = more productive, home = more distractions. | 12:55 |
| humphreybc | mpt: it appears that half of the design team are on holiday this week | 12:55 |
| vish | why is it "input methods" and not "input language" , seems more sensible to name it language if all it does is switch languages | 12:55 |
| humphreybc | also, mpt, what are you first two favourite activities? | 12:56 |
| vish | hehe , didnt know today was "get to know your design team member" day ;p | 12:57 |
| mpt | humphreybc, I'll tell David Siegel and Marcus Haslam that they feel like half the team to you. :-) | 12:57 |
| ScottK | vish: input methods don't just change language. | 12:57 |
| humphreybc | Ivanka's off kayaking then workshopping, David's in the states :P | 12:57 |
| humphreybc | David is pretty much half the team anyway. You can tell him I said that. Give him a little ego boost. | 12:58 |
| wers | vish, how about input device language? | 12:58 |
| * humphreybc <3 the Siegelmeister | 12:58 | |
| humphreybc | wers, vish, input language would suffice I think | 12:58 |
| vish | ScottK: hmm ,ok. never used the Ibus , that still kinda confuses me :s | 12:59 |
| wers | humphreybc, ah yes. i agree | 12:59 |
| * ScottK hasn't either being safely monolingual in the language that most of these things are written in. | 13:00 | |
| mpt | okie dokie | 13:00 |
| mpt | Good morning/afternoon/evening people | 13:01 |
| * d0od waves at mpt | 13:01 | |
| wers | mpt to you to :) | 13:01 |
| mpt | I see humphreybc, vish, wers, and aday_ are here | 13:01 |
| humphreybc | godbyk-android: get out of bed | 13:01 |
| vish | :D | 13:01 |
| godbyk-android | I'm half awake. | 13:01 |
| mpt | No aysiu, mgunes, or thorwil this time | 13:02 |
| humphreybc | thorwil's probably eating | 13:02 |
| humphreybc | every time I go to talk to him he's off to have a meal or a drink | 13:02 |
| vish | just pinged him , he seems away | 13:02 |
| aday_ | hey all :) | 13:03 |
| mpt | So thorwil is to Ubuntu as Brad Pitt is to Ocean's Eleven? | 13:03 |
| humphreybc | vish: did his lack of response give you that impression? :P | 13:03 |
| vish | mpt: lol! | 13:03 |
| humphreybc | mpt: Ah. Very clever. | 13:03 |
| mpt | djsiegel is on holiday, and michaelforrest has disappeared to get lunch | 13:03 |
| humphreybc | oh well, press on I guess | 13:03 |
| humphreybc | do we have an agenda? | 13:03 |
| humphreybc | godbyk-android: apparently we're talking about the usability session from UDS | 13:04 |
| mpt | I have a few items scribbled down | 13:04 |
| mpt | 1. apologies | 13:04 |
| mpt | 2. | 13:04 |
| mpt | 2. UDS review | 13:04 |
| mpt | 2a. usability session (humphreybc and godbyk) | 13:04 |
| mpt | 2b. UX advocate project | 13:04 |
| humphreybc | I love the numbering | 13:04 |
| mpt | 3. follow-up on the heuristic evaluation | 13:04 |
| mpt | 4. sketching and storyboarding | 13:05 |
| mpt | hi ivanka :-) | 13:05 |
| ivanka | hi mpt | 13:05 |
| mpt | If anyone would like to discuss anything else, please let me know | 13:05 |
| wers | I have something to suggest, if you don't mind. i think we need someone to represent the impaired so we can give a bit more attention to accessibility | 13:05 |
| mpt | That's an interesting idea | 13:05 |
| humphreybc | I agree! | 13:05 |
| mpt | Though there are a wide range of disabilities | 13:06 |
| ivanka | wers - there was a session at UDS on that penelope was working on some personas | 13:06 |
| wers | i just found out about how important it was in the loco release party i organized. the guy was so passionate about orca | 13:06 |
| vish | hmm , maybe some one like pendulum! | 13:06 |
| wers | ivanka, cool | 13:06 |
| mpt | ivanka, who's Penelope? | 13:06 |
| ivanka | pendulum indeed | 13:06 |
| ivanka | penelope = pendulum | 13:06 |
| humphreybc | mpt: Penelope, she was in a wheelchair at UDS. Lovely person. | 13:06 |
| Pendulum | hi! | 13:07 |
| mpt | ah, right | 13:07 |
| humphreybc | oh there you are! | 13:07 |
| ivanka | hi pendulum | 13:07 |
| mpt | Hi Pendulum | 13:07 |
| vish | heh , funny how the nicks become more easier than the names :) | 13:07 |
| humphreybc | I'd welcome Penelope to the team | 13:07 |
| mpt | Pendulum, were these Ubuntu personas in general, or Ubuntu accessibility personas in particular? | 13:07 |
| mpt | And are they public anywhere? | 13:08 |
| ivanka | mpt I think the personas still need to be worked on | 13:08 |
| ivanka | pendulum was talking to charline | 13:08 |
| mpt | ok | 13:08 |
| mpt | Now, 1. apologies | 13:09 |
| ivanka | needless to say, personas will address accessibility issues in the near future | 13:09 |
| ivanka | there is a blueprint | 13:09 |
| ivanka | which obviously means it will happen ;) | 13:09 |
| mpt | obviously | 13:09 |
| wers | great | 13:09 |
| Pendulum | mpt: the ones we're going to work on are accessibility-related ones specifically | 13:09 |
| humphreybc | blueprint = it's set in stone. | 13:09 |
| humphreybc | obviously | 13:09 |
| Pendulum | but it's only just started so we're still in the "information gathering" stage before creating them | 13:10 |
| mpt | ok | 13:10 |
| ivanka | that is cool | 13:10 |
| aday_ | that would be really useful | 13:10 |
| mpt | Pendulum, you might be interested in the "Week 1" entries in http://diveintoaccessibility.org/table_of_contents.html | 13:11 |
| mpt | They're compelling accessibility personas | 13:11 |
| mpt | Meanwhile ... I'm sorry I was not able to run a meeting here last week. I was at the UX London conference. <http://2010.uxlondon.com/> | 13:11 |
| aday_ | there's a design for a new universal accessibility settings capplet knocking around at the moment, btw: http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/UniversalAccess | 13:11 |
| * humphreybc was sleeping after UDS | 13:11 | |
| Pendulum | mpt: thanks will look at them :) | 13:11 |
| Pendulum | btw, once they are all done, they will be public (and we're going to be aiming to get them out all over the place :) ) | 13:12 |
| mpt | great | 13:12 |
| humphreybc | UDS review? | 13:13 |
| wers | game | 13:13 |
| mpt | I learnt lots of cool stuff. Slides from a few of the sessions that are relevant to what we're doing: <http://www.slideshare.net/stephenpa/the-art-science-of-seductive-interactions>, <http://www.umsec.umn.edu/events/Code-Freeze-2010/RWAUED>, <http://whitneyhess.com/blog/creating-a-culture-of-ux/> | 13:14 |
| mpt | 2. UDS review | 13:14 |
| mpt | ivanka, vish, humphreybc, and I were at UDS | 13:14 |
| mpt | but not all at the same sessions | 13:15 |
| mpt | humphreybc, godbyk-android, there was a session on usability testing and reporting. Would you like to summarize that for us? | 13:15 |
| mpt | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-ubuntu-usability | 13:15 |
| humphreybc | ivanka was there too :) | 13:15 |
| humphreybc | Ummm what did we talk about. We have a lot of notes. | 13:16 |
| * ivanka is being spoken to by a real human which is distracting | 13:16 | |
| humphreybc | Charline presented some usability findings from recent Ubuntu Lucid testing | 13:16 |
| humphreybc | we then talked about ways to usability test, what you should and shouldn't do in a testing environment | 13:17 |
| humphreybc | and then we talked about the method of gathering statistics using GTK | 13:17 |
| humphreybc | We also had a look at Mozilla test pilot | 13:18 |
| humphreybc | how they gather information from Firefox | 13:18 |
| humphreybc | And we decided we'd experiment with Shotwell | 13:19 |
| humphreybc | ie, try to grab statistics from Shotwell | 13:19 |
| humphreybc | I have to create a project for this... still thinking of a cool name. | 13:19 |
| mpt | Naming, the most difficult part of any project | 13:19 |
| * wers is googling Shotwell | 13:19 | |
| humphreybc | absolutely | 13:20 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, can you add anything? you were there... remotely | 13:20 |
| godbyk | Sure. | 13:20 |
| * humphreybc has a really, rather shocking memory | 13:20 | |
| godbyk | The gist of the idea is that, in addition to collecting qualitative usability data from testing in the lab, we could also collect some more quantitative data automatically using a daemon that runs on people's computers. | 13:21 |
| humphreybc | yeah, that | 13:21 |
| mpt | wers, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/see-ya-f-spot-shotwell-comes-to-ubuntu.html | 13:21 |
| wers | mpt, thanks | 13:21 |
| godbyk | For instance, there was a discussion about workspaces on the Ayatana mailing list a while back. | 13:21 |
| wers | godbyk, that sounds cool.how do you collect usability data in the lab? | 13:22 |
| * vish notices that mpt, nowadays , quotes more and more omg posts ;p | 13:22 | |
| godbyk | Some questions we could answer automatically are: how many workspaces do people have set up? how many workspaces do people use? how many windows per workspace, on average? when do people switch to using a new workspace? | 13:22 |
| wers | months ago, we were discussing the creation of a testing suite upstream http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/UsabilityTestingSuite | 13:22 |
| wers | the project isnt moving now. i dont know if there's something similar going on. i definitely have a plan of working on it again, though | 13:23 |
| godbyk | wers: Cool. It looks like that would be useful for recording usability tests in a lab. | 13:23 |
| vish | wers: yeah , what happened to that? iirc ivanka was leading something similar on lp ? | 13:23 |
| humphreybc | hey look, Ivanka's name appears on that page | 13:24 |
| godbyk | This daemon I'm proposing would collect more statistical data. | 13:24 |
| godbyk | Here's Mozilla's Test Pilot plugin for Firefox: https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/ | 13:24 |
| wers | godbyk, yep :) | 13:24 |
| wers | vish, yes. it's screenie if we're talking about the same thing | 13:24 |
| godbyk | They've done a few studies so far: menu item usage survey, a couple tab surveys, etc. | 13:25 |
| vish | wers: yup , the same | 13:25 |
| mpt | So, apart from the name, is the main blocker finding someone to implement it so any program running on Ubuntu can hook into it? | 13:25 |
| humphreybc | mpt: something like that, yep | 13:26 |
| mpt | Ok, is there a design spec for "here's what we'd like it to do"? | 13:26 |
| humphreybc | not really, aside from that wiki page that's floating around somewhere | 13:26 |
| godbyk | mpt: I think it would help if we established a test/survey we'd like to tackle first. And that'll give us an idea of what code we need to write. | 13:26 |
| humphreybc | we need to flesh it out some more and have a look at GTK I spose | 13:26 |
| ivanka | we had all this as notes from the uds session | 13:26 |
| aday_ | wasn't mago supposed to do something like this? | 13:26 |
| aday_ | or is that different? | 13:27 |
| godbyk | aday_: mago? | 13:27 |
| aday_ | http://live.gnome.org/DesktopTesting | 13:27 |
| aday_ | and https://launchpad.net/mago | 13:27 |
| ivanka | [charlinepoirier] write-up a clear how-to for setting up and conducting qualitative research: TODO | 13:28 |
| ivanka | [ivanka][godbyk] write-requirements up: first research and then technical: TODO | 13:28 |
| ivanka | [humphreybc] create a launchpad project for this: TODO | 13:28 |
| ivanka | [sladen] contribute to statistics gathering policy document: TODO | 13:28 |
| ivanka | [ivanka] to investigate a specific application to test this out on first (maybe shotwell?): TODO | 13:28 |
| mpt | ^ Those are from the UDS session, ivanka tells me | 13:28 |
| humphreybc | yea | 13:28 |
| humphreybc | they're our work items | 13:28 |
| humphreybc | I get off fairly easy | 13:28 |
| humphreybc | that's nice :) | 13:28 |
| ivanka | humphreybc: we can change that :-) | 13:28 |
| humphreybc | ivanka: you would! | 13:29 |
| godbyk | aday_: It looks like mago is for running tests against the software using the at-spi stuff. | 13:29 |
| godbyk | aday_: The software I'm proposing would passively watch what the user is doing with their software -- how they're using it. | 13:29 |
| humphreybc | Project Big Brother. | 13:29 |
| ivanka | like ingimp | 13:29 |
| ivanka | Big Brother is not going to engender support | 13:30 |
| wers | Would you suggest pursuing the Usability Testing Suite or is mago already sufficient for the need? | 13:30 |
| humphreybc | That's what I should call it | 13:30 |
| mpt | wers, they're completely different tasks. | 13:30 |
| godbyk | wers: I think it's something that could be used in conjunction with the Usability Testing Suite, but it should be a separate project, as it's intended to run on people's computers when they're at home (i.e., in their normal home/work environments). | 13:31 |
| wers | mpt, godbyk thanks. i'll pursue it then | 13:31 |
| wers | if anyone else is interested, feel free to join us :) | 13:31 |
| mpt | ok, so godbyk, is there anything that we can help with for organizing this? Or is it just a matter of you and humphreybc getting time to do those work items? | 13:31 |
| humphreybc | I'll spend more time thinking about a name | 13:32 |
| humphreybc | and will create the project very soon :) | 13:32 |
| godbyk | I need to get some time to go through my work items. I'll write up a better description of what I'd like to do. | 13:32 |
| godbyk | If ivanka would like to use this in conjunction with some particular software that she's testing, let me know, and I'll make sure we get code in there to handle that. | 13:32 |
| mpt | Once there's a clear, self-contained, single-page description of what you're planning (is there a server component? how would people turn it on and off? etc), it'll be much easier to publicize it and get help with the implementation. | 13:33 |
| mpt | hi thorwil | 13:33 |
| godbyk | mpt: Agreed. | 13:33 |
| thorwil | hi! | 13:33 |
| humphreybc | Software Sources > Statistics? | 13:33 |
| humphreybc | thorwil: back from lunch? | 13:33 |
| ivanka | godbyk: I think we go with shotwell and don't you have most of a one-pager that you used to start talking to me in the first place? | 13:34 |
| thorwil | humphreybc: no, from a client ;p | 13:34 |
| humphreybc | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/usabilty-testing-gtk ? | 13:34 |
| ivanka | + this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-ubuntu-usability | 13:34 |
| godbyk | ivanka: okay. if you have any write-ups on the testing protocol you're using for shotwell, I'd love to take a look at them. | 13:34 |
| mpt | cool | 13:34 |
| godbyk | ivanka: There's a wiki page where I did a short brain dump. I'll clean it up, though. | 13:35 |
| mpt | Shall we move on? | 13:35 |
| humphreybc | mpt: yes | 13:35 |
| wers | humphreybc, that looks cool | 13:35 |
| mpt | 2b. UX advocate project | 13:35 |
| * mpt just realizes he's totally not using MootBot | 13:35 | |
| humphreybc | mpt: meh | 13:35 |
| aday_ | some developments upstream on this one | 13:35 |
| mpt | At UDS there was also a discussion about having UX advocates for individual upstream projects | 13:36 |
| humphreybc | ohh this is David's thing | 13:36 |
| mpt | ivanka, aday_, would you like to talk about that? I was there only a small part of that session | 13:36 |
| ivanka | yes and we are all keen | 13:36 |
| godbyk | There's been some discussion on the gnome-usability list about the UX advocates. | 13:36 |
| ivanka | yes, I saw it | 13:36 |
| aday_ | here's the gnome usability list thread: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2010-May/msg00006.html | 13:36 |
| aday_ | there's been some good discussion on that list | 13:36 |
| humphreybc | it's just a matter of spreading the word I guess | 13:37 |
| humphreybc | and gathering some magical list of all these advocates from each project | 13:37 |
| aday_ | me and andreas nilsson are planning to have a bof on the topic at guadec | 13:37 |
| aday_ | that said, there are some serious obstacles to overcome. nothing's going to happen overnight | 13:37 |
| ivanka | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-designing-with-upstreams | 13:37 |
| ivanka | cool | 13:37 |
| ivanka | yes | 13:37 |
| aday_ | we need to get maintainers on board | 13:38 |
| humphreybc | so what can we do to help? | 13:38 |
| ivanka | I have already spoken to launchpad to see if we can have a UX advocate role on the project | 13:38 |
| ivanka | *on a project | 13:38 |
| wers | ivanka, that would be cool | 13:39 |
| ivanka | then the conversation became about whether this was something functional | 13:39 |
| mpt | Maintainer, Driver, QA Contact ... UX Advocate | 13:39 |
| humphreybc | and a bit phat popup box that says "ADD YOUR UX ADVOCATE NOW!" | 13:39 |
| humphreybc | big* | 13:39 |
| wers | haha | 13:39 |
| aday_ | it would help if we had ux people working with projects | 13:39 |
| ivanka | aday_: yes, of course | 13:39 |
| thorwil | i guess i would be the UX advocate for Ardour | 13:39 |
| aday_ | maintainers aren't going to give this role to someone they don't know or trust | 13:39 |
| mpt | hi mat_t :-) | 13:39 |
| mpt | So, what else should we do to publicize the idea? | 13:40 |
| ivanka | and nobody is suggesting that | 13:40 |
| aday_ | it is maintainers that we need to convince at the end of the day | 13:40 |
| humphreybc | mpt: I guess I could post it on OMG! but it would help if we had the infrastructure in place before | 13:40 |
| mat_t | hi mpt :) | 13:40 |
| humphreybc | so the UX advocate position on launchpad would be great | 13:40 |
| ivanka | I think we can phase it | 13:40 |
| thorwil | yes, it takes some work to gain the trust of maintainers and core groups | 13:40 |
| ivanka | where it is obvious, get it done | 13:40 |
| ivanka | it will help in having the conversation | 13:41 |
| aday_ | what i'd like to see happen is to have a couple of pilot projects. we could use them to advertise the process and to sell the idea | 13:41 |
| ivanka | aday_: yes | 13:41 |
| humphreybc | so what are these advocates going to do exactly? Be a link between programmers and designers? | 13:41 |
| aday_ | it would be nice to have a couple of 'diaries of a ux advocate' on planet gnome | 13:41 |
| ivanka | What are the dates for Guadec again? | 13:42 |
| vish | so how do we gather the advocates? | 13:42 |
| popey | ivanka: july 26-30 | 13:42 |
| mpt | humphreybc, AIUI, liaison between programmers and enthusiasts who have UI suggestions | 13:42 |
| vish | do we have sufficient advocates for all the projects , and how do we pair project to advocate? | 13:42 |
| humphreybc | popey, forever lurking. | 13:42 |
| wers | and will there be standard tasks that each advocate should do? if so, what would they be? | 13:42 |
| wers | wow. 3 Allans here now | 13:42 |
| aday_ | wers: i think that's somehting we need to decide with maintainers | 13:43 |
| godbyk | I think we need a new verb for 'popey swoops in out of nowhere and answers a question' | 13:43 |
| humphreybc | hahaha | 13:43 |
| vish | godbyk: popied! ;p | 13:43 |
| humphreybc | it's verging on creepy | 13:43 |
| ivanka | I would rather start with a phase one, setting out the list for people who have obvious ux advocates | 13:43 |
| ivanka | then we will have the examples | 13:43 |
| ivanka | then we can have bigger conversations | 13:44 |
| ivanka | there are a lot of problems | 13:44 |
| ivanka | but not all have to be solved before the start | 13:44 |
| godbyk | Sounds like a decent plan. Do you know of some projects that already have UX advocates? | 13:44 |
| humphreybc | right | 13:44 |
| humphreybc | Ardour... | 13:44 |
| aday_ | godbyk: brian clark has that kind of role for thunderbird | 13:44 |
| aday_ | and that works very well by all accounts | 13:45 |
| ivanka | lovely! | 13:45 |
| humphreybc | quite | 13:45 |
| humphreybc | See, I can be english too. | 13:45 |
| mpt | So is the plan (1a) get it implemented in LP, (1b) collect examples, (2) publicize the idea? | 13:45 |
| humphreybc | mpt: that sounds like a good plan | 13:46 |
| aday_ | from a gnome perspective, i think the best thing to do would be to show how this can work in a gnome context | 13:46 |
| wers | how do we exactly mean by "examples?" like role models? | 13:46 |
| humphreybc | wers: I think an example of how a UX advocate can be beneficial? | 13:47 |
| mpt | wers, yes, examples of where someone is in that role already | 13:47 |
| wers | humphreybc, oh ok | 13:47 |
| humphreybc | ie, "This project didn't know where to stick the buttons, so their UX advocate asked some designers and now they made an informed choice. Therefore, you should have a UX advocate too." | 13:48 |
| humphreybc | something like that maybne | 13:48 |
| wers | oh. something like case studies to publicize | 13:48 |
| mpt | ok, so anything for us to do over the next week? :-) | 13:49 |
| ivanka | thorwil: maybe I interview you for the design blog about your work with Ardour? | 13:49 |
| humphreybc | ivanka: and I can repost it on OMG :) | 13:49 |
| humphreybc | can I / I can | 13:49 |
| ivanka | see - now we have publicity! | 13:49 |
| humphreybc | publicity's the easy part | 13:49 |
| ivanka | and a case study | 13:50 |
| mpt | excellent | 13:50 |
| humphreybc | is the design blog aggregated to planet ubuntu/gnome etc? | 13:50 |
| mpt | I don't think so, though some individual contributors' are | 13:50 |
| thorwil | ivanka: perhaps. though my on and off involvement is an odd model :) | 13:50 |
| wers | though it's a different setup, Mozilla's case is a good example | 13:50 |
| mpt | humphreybc, design.canonical.com posts about more than just Ubuntu -- e.g. a post on the front page right now about Launchpad | 13:51 |
| humphreybc | mpt: true, but it's still relevant | 13:51 |
| ivanka | thorwil: perhaps, but perhaps it is just the way it is | 13:51 |
| humphreybc | Jono's current "Why Launchpad Rocks" posts are on planet Ubuntu | 13:51 |
| mpt | So, maybe ivanka's should be :-) | 13:51 |
| vish | ivanka is on planet gnome but not on pl ubuntu | 13:52 |
| humphreybc | tsk, tsk | 13:52 |
| mpt | Ok, we've been going for 50 minutes already, so I think we'll leave the sketching/storyboarding discussion for next week | 13:53 |
| mpt | so just one more thing for this week | 13:53 |
| mpt | 3. Followup on the heuristic evalution | 13:53 |
| mpt | I ended up with three evaluations of Sudoku, which you can find by going through "Next by thread" from <https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01845.html> | 13:54 |
| mpt | (unfortunately the "Index(es): Thread" link doesn't work properly) | 13:54 |
| mpt | So, it was a partial success | 13:54 |
| godbyk | What did you think of the evals themselves? | 13:55 |
| mpt | I thought they were pretty good, though they made me realize that appropriate heuristics for evaluating a game probably should be a bit more specialized | 13:56 |
| mpt | E.g. the first obvious problem for Gnome Sudoku is that it's incredibly ugly compared with 90% of other Sudoku applications, but that's barely touched on in the standard heuristics | 13:57 |
| wers | ah yes. affective design isn't a very usual topic | 13:58 |
| mpt | It might be an interesting exercise for someone to produce a list of heuristics just for games, so all gnome-games could be reviewed in the same way | 13:58 |
| mpt | E.g. "Provides convenient step-by-step help for someone who hasn't played the game before" | 13:58 |
| mpt | aday_, maybe you'd be interested in doing that, or know someone who would be? | 13:59 |
| aday_ | mpt: i could ask around | 14:00 |
| mpt | Someone also needs to collate those Sudoku evaluations together into something Robert Ancell can read easily | 14:00 |
| mpt | Thanks aday_ | 14:00 |
| mpt | Any other burning issues anyone would like to discuss this week? | 14:00 |
| mpt | ok, thanks everyone for attending | 14:01 |
| mpt | I'll send out a summary to the mailing list | 14:01 |
| vish | thanks.. good day.. | 14:01 |
| humphreybc | sweet! | 14:01 |
| wers | cool | 14:01 |
| humphreybc | thanks chaps | 14:01 |
| aday_ | cheers all | 14:02 |
| wers | dinner's cold already, but it's okay. haha | 14:02 |
| mat_t | thanks all! | 14:02 |
| thorwil | humphreybc: an _now_ i gonna get coffee! ^^ | 14:02 |
| humphreybc | surprise of the century | 14:02 |
| mpt | vish, about bug 423525, it looks as though people are trying to comment on half a dozen different usability problems in the same report | 14:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423525 in One Hundred Paper Cuts ""IBus daemon is not started" message unhelpful" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423525 | 14:04 |
| * wers leaves his laptop and starts facing his dinner | 14:04 | |
| wers | oh wait. are we done? | 14:04 |
| vish | mpt: yeah :( | 14:04 |
| mpt | wers, yes | 14:04 |
| mpt | wers, dude, sorry. I'll try to keep next week's to half an hour | 14:04 |
| humphreybc | breaking news, mpt says "dude" | 14:05 |
| wers | mpt, no it's ok. it's worth it :) | 14:05 |
| vish | mpt: how do you suggest we proceed? split the bug for each of the issues? | 14:10 |
| mpt | vish, yes, iirc there are already reports for some of the others. Maybe a "This bug report is not about ___ (bug X), _____ (bug Y), or ____ (bug z)" paragraph in the description. :-) | 14:11 |
| vish | mpt: ok , neat :) | 14:12 |
| ScottK | Just catching up on backscroll. If you're looking for UX advocate/success stories: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/03/open_source_usability_success.html | 14:24 |
| mpt | thanks ScottK | 14:28 |
| * wers is back | 14:30 | |
| wers | Again, if anyone's interested in the Usability Testing Suite project, please tell me. here's the wiki http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/UsabilityTestingSuite | 14:31 |
| wers | i'll probably start a thread about it again on GNOME Usability list | 14:31 |
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