[12:30] <humphreybc> mpt: have I missed the UX meeting, or is it starting in half an hour?
[12:32] <wers> humphreybc, i think, it's starting in half an hour
[12:33] <humphreybc> ah, good
[12:33] <hyperair> there hasn't been activity in this channel for over 12 hours in any case =)
[12:33] <hyperair> er, i think.
[12:34] <humphreybc> okay
[12:38] <vish> yummy , meeting today ;)
[12:39] <humphreybc> vish: I'm afraid I don't share your enthusiasm :)
[12:39] <humphreybc> what happened last week?
[12:39] <humphreybc> have we decided what we're actually meant to be doing yet?
[12:40] <vish> humphreybc: last week , we all forgot and only aday and godby showed up [iirc , that is what i remember from reading the logs] ;p
[12:40] <humphreybc> aren't we a productive team
[12:41] <vish> humphreybc: nah , mpt had mentioned he wont be available and probably all thought no meeting
[12:41] <wers> yep. that's probably why
[12:41] <humphreybc> ah
[12:41] <vish> well thats what i thought :D
[12:49] <mpt> humphreybc, would you like to give a summary of the UDS usability testing discussion today?
[12:49] <humphreybc> uuuuuuuum
[12:49] <humphreybc> I can try, from what I remember. godbyk was in on the session too, he can help :)
[12:49] <humphreybc> I'm sure between the both of us we'll get through it
[12:50] <mpt> thanks
[12:52] <humphreybc> how's your day going Matt
[12:54] <mpt> sluggishly
[12:54] <mpt> How's your evening? :-)
[12:54] <wers> 6 minutes to go
[12:54] <humphreybc> surprisingly productive
[12:55] <vish> mpt: hi  , your thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/423525/comments/13  ?
[12:55] <humphreybc> went into uni and actually finished some labs, which is more than I've got done at home. Uni = more productive, home = more distractions.
[12:55] <humphreybc> mpt: it appears that half of the design team are on holiday this week
[12:55] <vish> why is it "input methods" and not "input language" ,  seems more sensible to name it language if all it does is switch languages
[12:56] <humphreybc> also, mpt, what are you first two favourite activities?
[12:57] <vish> hehe , didnt know today was "get to know your design team member" day ;p
[12:57] <mpt> humphreybc, I'll tell David Siegel and Marcus Haslam that they feel like half the team to you. :-)
[12:57] <ScottK> vish: input methods don't just change language.
[12:57] <humphreybc> Ivanka's off kayaking then workshopping, David's in the states :P
[12:58] <humphreybc> David is pretty much half the team anyway. You can tell him I said that. Give him a little ego boost.
[12:58] <wers> vish, how about input device language?
[12:58]  * humphreybc <3 the Siegelmeister 
[12:58] <humphreybc> wers, vish, input language would suffice I think
[12:59] <vish> ScottK: hmm ,ok. never used the Ibus , that still kinda confuses me :s
[12:59] <wers> humphreybc, ah yes. i agree
[13:00]  * ScottK hasn't either being safely monolingual in the language that most of these things are written in.
[13:00] <mpt> okie dokie
[13:01] <mpt> Good morning/afternoon/evening people
[13:01]  * d0od waves at mpt
[13:01] <wers> mpt to you to :)
[13:01] <mpt> I see humphreybc, vish, wers, and aday_ are here
[13:01] <humphreybc> godbyk-android: get out of bed
[13:01] <vish> :D
[13:01] <godbyk-android> I'm half awake.
[13:02] <mpt> No aysiu, mgunes, or thorwil this time
[13:02] <humphreybc> thorwil's probably eating
[13:02] <humphreybc> every time I go to talk to him he's off to have a meal or a drink
[13:02] <vish> just pinged him , he seems away
[13:03] <aday_> hey all :)
[13:03] <mpt> So thorwil is to Ubuntu as Brad Pitt is to Ocean's Eleven?
[13:03] <humphreybc> vish: did his lack of response give you that impression? :P
[13:03] <vish> mpt: lol!
[13:03] <humphreybc> mpt: Ah. Very clever.
[13:03] <mpt> djsiegel is on holiday, and michaelforrest has disappeared to get lunch
[13:03] <humphreybc> oh well, press on I guess
[13:03] <humphreybc> do we have an agenda?
[13:04] <humphreybc> godbyk-android: apparently we're talking about the usability session from UDS
[13:04] <mpt> I have a few items scribbled down
[13:04] <mpt> 1. apologies
[13:04] <mpt> 2.
[13:04] <mpt> 2. UDS review
[13:04] <mpt> 2a. usability session (humphreybc and godbyk)
[13:04] <mpt> 2b. UX advocate project
[13:04] <humphreybc> I love the numbering
[13:04] <mpt> 3. follow-up on the heuristic evaluation
[13:05] <mpt> 4. sketching and storyboarding
[13:05] <mpt> hi ivanka :-)
[13:05] <ivanka> hi mpt
[13:05] <mpt> If anyone would like to discuss anything else, please let me know
[13:05] <wers> I have something to suggest, if you don't mind. i think we need someone to represent the impaired so we can give a bit more attention to accessibility
[13:05] <mpt> That's an interesting idea
[13:05] <humphreybc> I agree!
[13:06] <mpt> Though there are a wide range of disabilities
[13:06] <ivanka> wers - there was a session at UDS on that penelope was working on some personas
[13:06] <wers> i just found out about how important it was in the loco release party i organized. the guy was so passionate about orca
[13:06] <vish>  hmm , maybe some one like pendulum!
[13:06] <wers> ivanka, cool
[13:06] <mpt> ivanka, who's Penelope?
[13:06] <ivanka> pendulum indeed
[13:06] <ivanka> penelope = pendulum
[13:06] <humphreybc> mpt: Penelope, she was in a wheelchair at UDS. Lovely person.
[13:07] <Pendulum> hi!
[13:07] <mpt> ah, right
[13:07] <humphreybc> oh there you are!
[13:07] <ivanka> hi pendulum
[13:07] <mpt> Hi Pendulum
[13:07] <vish> heh , funny how the nicks become more easier than the names :)
[13:07] <humphreybc> I'd welcome Penelope to the team
[13:07] <mpt> Pendulum, were these Ubuntu personas in general, or Ubuntu accessibility personas in particular?
[13:08] <mpt> And are they public anywhere?
[13:08] <ivanka> mpt I think the personas still need to be worked on
[13:08] <ivanka> pendulum was talking to charline
[13:08] <mpt> ok
[13:09] <mpt> Now, 1. apologies
[13:09] <ivanka> needless to say, personas will address accessibility issues in the near future
[13:09] <ivanka> there is a blueprint
[13:09] <ivanka> which obviously means it will happen ;)
[13:09] <mpt> obviously
[13:09] <wers> great
[13:09] <Pendulum> mpt: the ones we're going to work on are accessibility-related ones specifically
[13:09] <humphreybc> blueprint = it's set in stone.
[13:09] <humphreybc> obviously
[13:10] <Pendulum> but it's only just started so we're still in the "information gathering" stage before creating them
[13:10] <mpt> ok
[13:10] <ivanka> that is cool
[13:10] <aday_> that would be really useful
[13:11] <mpt> Pendulum, you might be interested in the "Week 1" entries in http://diveintoaccessibility.org/table_of_contents.html
[13:11] <mpt> They're compelling accessibility personas
[13:11] <mpt> Meanwhile ... I'm sorry I was not able to run a meeting here last week. I was at the UX London conference. <http://2010.uxlondon.com/>
[13:11] <aday_> there's a design for a new universal accessibility settings capplet knocking around at the moment, btw: http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/UniversalAccess
[13:11]  * humphreybc was sleeping after UDS
[13:11] <Pendulum> mpt: thanks will look at them :)
[13:12] <Pendulum> btw, once they are all done, they will be public (and we're going to be aiming to get them out all over the place :) )
[13:12] <mpt> great
[13:13] <humphreybc> UDS review?
[13:13] <wers> game
[13:14] <mpt> I learnt lots of cool stuff. Slides from a  few of the sessions that are relevant to what we're doing: <http://www.slideshare.net/stephenpa/the-art-science-of-seductive-interactions>, <http://www.umsec.umn.edu/events/Code-Freeze-2010/RWAUED>, <http://whitneyhess.com/blog/creating-a-culture-of-ux/>
[13:14] <mpt> 2. UDS review
[13:14] <mpt> ivanka, vish, humphreybc, and I were at UDS
[13:15] <mpt> but not all at the same sessions
[13:15] <mpt> humphreybc, godbyk-android, there was a session on usability testing and reporting. Would you like to summarize that for us?
[13:15] <mpt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-ubuntu-usability
[13:15] <humphreybc> ivanka was there too :)
[13:16] <humphreybc> Ummm what did we talk about. We have a lot of notes.
[13:16]  * ivanka is being spoken to by a real human which is distracting
[13:16] <humphreybc> Charline presented some usability findings from recent Ubuntu Lucid testing
[13:17] <humphreybc> we then talked about ways to usability test, what you should and shouldn't do in a testing environment
[13:17] <humphreybc> and then we talked about the method of gathering statistics using GTK
[13:18] <humphreybc> We also had a look at Mozilla test pilot
[13:18] <humphreybc> how they gather information from Firefox
[13:19] <humphreybc> And we decided we'd experiment with Shotwell
[13:19] <humphreybc> ie, try to grab statistics from Shotwell
[13:19] <humphreybc> I have to create a project for this... still thinking of a cool name.
[13:19] <mpt> Naming, the most difficult part of any project
[13:19]  * wers is googling Shotwell
[13:20] <humphreybc> absolutely
[13:20] <humphreybc> godbyk, can you add anything? you were there... remotely
[13:20] <godbyk> Sure.
[13:20]  * humphreybc has a really, rather shocking memory
[13:21] <godbyk> The gist of the idea is that, in addition to collecting qualitative usability data from testing in the lab, we could also collect some more quantitative data automatically using a daemon that runs on people's computers.
[13:21] <humphreybc> yeah, that
[13:21] <mpt> wers, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/see-ya-f-spot-shotwell-comes-to-ubuntu.html
[13:21] <wers> mpt, thanks
[13:21] <godbyk> For instance, there was a discussion about workspaces on the Ayatana mailing list a while back.
[13:22] <wers> godbyk, that sounds cool.how do you collect usability data in the lab?
[13:22]  * vish notices that mpt, nowadays , quotes more and more omg posts ;p
[13:22] <godbyk> Some questions we could answer automatically are: how many workspaces do people have set up? how many workspaces do people use?  how many windows per workspace, on average? when do people switch to using a new workspace?
[13:22] <wers> months ago, we were discussing the creation of a testing suite upstream http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/UsabilityTestingSuite
[13:23] <wers> the project isnt moving now. i dont know if there's something similar going on. i definitely have a plan of working on it again, though
[13:23] <godbyk> wers: Cool. It looks like that would be useful for recording usability tests in a lab.
[13:23] <vish> wers: yeah , what happened to that? iirc ivanka was leading something similar on lp ?
[13:24] <humphreybc> hey look, Ivanka's name appears on that page
[13:24] <godbyk> This daemon I'm proposing would collect more statistical data.
[13:24] <godbyk> Here's Mozilla's Test Pilot plugin for Firefox: https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/
[13:24] <wers> godbyk, yep :)
[13:24] <wers> vish, yes. it's screenie if we're talking about the same thing
[13:25] <godbyk> They've done a few studies so far: menu item usage survey, a couple tab surveys, etc.
[13:25] <vish> wers: yup , the same
[13:25] <mpt> So, apart from the name, is the main blocker finding someone to implement it so any program running on Ubuntu can hook into it?
[13:26] <humphreybc> mpt: something like that, yep
[13:26] <mpt> Ok, is there a design spec for "here's what we'd like it to do"?
[13:26] <humphreybc> not really, aside from that wiki page that's floating around somewhere
[13:26] <godbyk> mpt: I think it would help if we established a test/survey we'd like to tackle first. And that'll give us an idea of what code we need to write.
[13:26] <humphreybc> we need to flesh it out some more and have a look at GTK I spose
[13:26] <ivanka> we had all this as notes from the uds session
[13:26] <aday_> wasn't mago supposed to do something like this?
[13:27] <aday_> or is that different?
[13:27] <godbyk> aday_: mago?
[13:27] <aday_> http://live.gnome.org/DesktopTesting
[13:27] <aday_> and https://launchpad.net/mago
[13:28] <ivanka> [charlinepoirier] write-up a clear how-to for setting up and conducting  qualitative research: TODO
[13:28] <ivanka> [ivanka][godbyk] write-requirements up: first research and then  technical: TODO
[13:28] <ivanka> [humphreybc] create a launchpad project for this: TODO
[13:28] <ivanka> [sladen] contribute to statistics gathering policy document: TODO
[13:28] <ivanka> [ivanka] to investigate a specific application to test this out on first  (maybe shotwell?): TODO
[13:28] <mpt> ^ Those are from the UDS session, ivanka tells me
[13:28] <humphreybc> yea
[13:28] <humphreybc> they're our work items
[13:28] <humphreybc> I get off fairly easy
[13:28] <humphreybc> that's nice :)
[13:28] <ivanka> humphreybc: we can change that :-)
[13:29] <humphreybc> ivanka: you would!
[13:29] <godbyk> aday_: It looks like mago is for running tests against the software using the at-spi stuff.
[13:29] <godbyk> aday_: The software I'm proposing would passively watch what the user is doing with their software -- how they're using it.
[13:29] <humphreybc> Project Big Brother.
[13:29] <ivanka> like ingimp
[13:30] <ivanka> Big Brother is not going to engender support
[13:30] <wers> Would you suggest pursuing the Usability Testing Suite or is mago already sufficient for the need?
[13:30] <humphreybc> That's what I should call it
[13:30] <mpt> wers, they're completely different tasks.
[13:31] <godbyk> wers: I think it's something that could be used in conjunction with the Usability Testing Suite, but it should be a separate project, as it's intended to run on people's computers when they're at home (i.e., in their normal home/work environments).
[13:31] <wers> mpt, godbyk thanks. i'll pursue it then
[13:31] <wers> if anyone else is interested, feel free to join us :)
[13:31] <mpt> ok, so godbyk, is there anything that we can help with for organizing this? Or is it just a matter of you and humphreybc getting time to do those work items?
[13:32] <humphreybc> I'll spend more time thinking about a name
[13:32] <humphreybc> and will create the project very soon :)
[13:32] <godbyk> I need to get some time to go through my work items. I'll write up a better description of what I'd like to do.
[13:32] <godbyk> If ivanka would like to use this in conjunction with some particular software that she's testing, let me know, and I'll make sure we get code in there to handle that.
[13:33] <mpt> Once there's a clear, self-contained, single-page description of what you're planning (is there a server component? how would people turn it on and off? etc), it'll be much easier to publicize it and get help with the implementation.
[13:33] <mpt> hi thorwil
[13:33] <godbyk> mpt: Agreed.
[13:33] <thorwil> hi!
[13:33] <humphreybc> Software Sources > Statistics?
[13:33] <humphreybc> thorwil: back from lunch?
[13:34] <ivanka> godbyk: I think we go with shotwell and don't you have most of a one-pager that you used to start talking to me in the first place?
[13:34] <thorwil> humphreybc: no, from a client ;p
[13:34] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/usabilty-testing-gtk ?
[13:34] <ivanka> + this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-ubuntu-usability
[13:34] <godbyk> ivanka: okay.  if you have any write-ups on the testing protocol you're using for shotwell, I'd love to take a look at them.
[13:34] <mpt> cool
[13:35] <godbyk> ivanka: There's a wiki page where I did a short brain dump.  I'll clean it up, though.
[13:35] <mpt> Shall we move on?
[13:35] <humphreybc> mpt: yes
[13:35] <wers> humphreybc, that looks cool
[13:35] <mpt> 2b. UX advocate project
[13:35]  * mpt just realizes he's totally not using MootBot 
[13:35] <humphreybc> mpt: meh
[13:35] <aday_> some developments upstream on this one
[13:36] <mpt> At UDS there was also a discussion about having UX advocates for individual upstream projects
[13:36] <humphreybc> ohh this is David's thing
[13:36] <mpt> ivanka, aday_, would you like to talk about that? I was there only a small part of that session
[13:36] <ivanka> yes and we are all keen
[13:36] <godbyk> There's been some discussion on the gnome-usability list about the UX advocates.
[13:36] <ivanka> yes, I saw it
[13:36] <aday_> here's the gnome usability list thread: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2010-May/msg00006.html
[13:36] <aday_> there's been some good discussion on that list
[13:37] <humphreybc> it's just a matter of spreading the word I guess
[13:37] <humphreybc> and gathering some magical list of all these advocates from each project
[13:37] <aday_> me and andreas nilsson are planning to have a bof on the topic at guadec
[13:37] <aday_> that said, there are some serious obstacles to overcome. nothing's going to happen overnight
[13:37] <ivanka> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-designing-with-upstreams
[13:37] <ivanka> cool
[13:37] <ivanka> yes
[13:38] <aday_> we need to get maintainers on board
[13:38] <humphreybc> so what can we do to help?
[13:38] <ivanka> I have already spoken to launchpad to see if we can have a UX advocate role on the project
[13:38] <ivanka> *on a project
[13:39] <wers> ivanka, that would be cool
[13:39] <ivanka> then the conversation became about whether this was something functional
[13:39] <mpt> Maintainer, Driver, QA Contact ... UX Advocate
[13:39] <humphreybc> and a bit phat popup box that says "ADD YOUR UX ADVOCATE NOW!"
[13:39] <humphreybc> big*
[13:39] <wers> haha
[13:39] <aday_> it would help if we had ux people working with projects
[13:39] <ivanka> aday_: yes, of course
[13:39] <thorwil> i guess i would be the UX advocate for Ardour
[13:39] <aday_> maintainers aren't going to give this role to someone they don't know or trust
[13:39] <mpt> hi mat_t :-)
[13:40] <mpt> So, what else should we do to publicize the idea?
[13:40] <ivanka> and nobody is suggesting that
[13:40] <aday_> it is maintainers that we need to convince at the end of the day
[13:40] <humphreybc> mpt: I guess I could post it on OMG! but it would help if we had the infrastructure in place before
[13:40] <mat_t> hi mpt :)
[13:40] <humphreybc> so the UX advocate position on launchpad would be great
[13:40] <ivanka> I think we can phase it
[13:40] <thorwil> yes, it takes some work to gain the trust of maintainers and core groups
[13:40] <ivanka> where it is obvious, get it done
[13:41] <ivanka> it will help in having the conversation
[13:41] <aday_> what i'd like to see happen is to have a couple of pilot projects. we could use them to advertise the process and to sell the idea
[13:41] <ivanka> aday_: yes
[13:41] <humphreybc> so what are these advocates going to do exactly? Be a link between programmers and designers?
[13:41] <aday_> it would be nice to have a couple of 'diaries of a ux advocate' on planet gnome
[13:42] <ivanka> What are the dates for Guadec again?
[13:42] <vish> so how do we gather the advocates?
[13:42] <popey> ivanka: july 26-30
[13:42] <mpt> humphreybc, AIUI, liaison between programmers and enthusiasts who have UI suggestions
[13:42] <vish> do we have sufficient advocates for all the projects , and how do we pair project to advocate?
[13:42] <humphreybc> popey, forever lurking.
[13:42] <wers> and will there be standard tasks that each advocate should do? if so, what would they be?
[13:42] <wers> wow. 3 Allans here now
[13:43] <aday_> wers: i think that's somehting we need to decide with maintainers
[13:43] <godbyk> I think we need a new verb for 'popey swoops in out of nowhere and answers a question'
[13:43] <humphreybc> hahaha
[13:43] <vish> godbyk: popied! ;p
[13:43] <humphreybc> it's verging on creepy
[13:43] <ivanka> I would rather start with a phase one, setting out the list for people who have obvious ux advocates
[13:43] <ivanka> then we will have the examples
[13:44] <ivanka> then we can have bigger conversations
[13:44] <ivanka> there are a lot of problems
[13:44] <ivanka> but not all have to be solved before the start
[13:44] <godbyk> Sounds like a decent plan. Do you know of some projects that already have UX advocates?
[13:44] <humphreybc> right
[13:44] <humphreybc> Ardour...
[13:44] <aday_> godbyk: brian clark has that kind of role for thunderbird
[13:45] <aday_> and that works very well by all accounts
[13:45] <ivanka> lovely!
[13:45] <humphreybc> quite
[13:45] <humphreybc> See, I can be english too.
[13:45] <mpt> So is the plan (1a) get it implemented in LP, (1b) collect examples, (2) publicize the idea?
[13:46] <humphreybc> mpt: that sounds like a good plan
[13:46] <aday_> from a gnome perspective, i think the best thing to do would be to show how this can work in a gnome context
[13:46] <wers> how do we exactly mean by "examples?" like role models?
[13:47] <humphreybc> wers: I think an example of how a UX advocate can be beneficial?
[13:47] <mpt> wers, yes, examples of where someone is in that role already
[13:47] <wers> humphreybc, oh ok
[13:48] <humphreybc> ie, "This project didn't know where to stick the buttons, so their UX advocate asked some designers and now they made an informed choice. Therefore, you should have a UX advocate too."
[13:48] <humphreybc> something like that maybne
[13:48] <wers> oh. something like case studies to publicize
[13:49] <mpt> ok, so anything for us to do over the next week? :-)
[13:49] <ivanka> thorwil: maybe I interview you for the design blog about your work with Ardour?
[13:49] <humphreybc> ivanka: and I can repost it on OMG :)
[13:49] <humphreybc> can I / I can
[13:49] <ivanka> see - now we have publicity!
[13:49] <humphreybc> publicity's the easy part
[13:50] <ivanka> and a case study
[13:50] <mpt> excellent
[13:50] <humphreybc> is the design blog aggregated to planet ubuntu/gnome etc?
[13:50] <mpt> I don't think so, though some individual contributors' are
[13:50] <thorwil> ivanka: perhaps. though my on and off involvement is an odd model :)
[13:50] <wers> though it's a different setup, Mozilla's case is a good example
[13:51] <mpt> humphreybc, design.canonical.com posts about more than just Ubuntu -- e.g. a post on the front page right now about Launchpad
[13:51] <humphreybc> mpt: true, but it's still relevant
[13:51] <ivanka> thorwil: perhaps, but perhaps it is just the way it is
[13:51] <humphreybc> Jono's current "Why Launchpad Rocks" posts are on planet Ubuntu
[13:51] <mpt> So, maybe ivanka's should be :-)
[13:52] <vish> ivanka is on planet gnome but not on pl ubuntu
[13:52] <humphreybc> tsk, tsk
[13:53] <mpt> Ok, we've been going for 50 minutes already, so I think we'll leave the sketching/storyboarding discussion for next week
[13:53] <mpt> so just one more thing for this week
[13:53] <mpt> 3. Followup on the heuristic evalution
[13:54] <mpt> I ended up with three evaluations of Sudoku, which you can find by going through "Next by thread" from <https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01845.html>
[13:54] <mpt> (unfortunately the "Index(es): Thread" link doesn't work properly)
[13:54] <mpt> So, it was a partial success
[13:55] <godbyk> What did you think of the evals themselves?
[13:56] <mpt> I thought they were pretty good, though they made me realize that appropriate heuristics for evaluating a game probably should be a bit more specialized
[13:57] <mpt> E.g. the first obvious problem for Gnome Sudoku is that it's incredibly ugly compared with 90% of other Sudoku applications, but that's barely touched on in the standard heuristics
[13:58] <wers> ah yes. affective design isn't a very usual topic
[13:58] <mpt> It might be an interesting exercise for someone to produce a list of heuristics just for games, so all gnome-games could be reviewed in the same way
[13:58] <mpt> E.g. "Provides convenient step-by-step help for someone who hasn't played the game before"
[13:59] <mpt> aday_, maybe you'd be interested in doing that, or know someone who would be?
[14:00] <aday_> mpt: i could ask around
[14:00] <mpt> Someone also needs to collate those Sudoku evaluations together into something Robert Ancell can read easily
[14:00] <mpt> Thanks aday_
[14:00] <mpt> Any other burning issues anyone would like to discuss this week?
[14:01] <mpt> ok, thanks everyone for attending
[14:01] <mpt> I'll send out a summary to the mailing list
[14:01] <vish> thanks.. good day..
[14:01] <humphreybc> sweet!
[14:01] <wers> cool
[14:01] <humphreybc> thanks chaps
[14:02] <aday_> cheers all
[14:02] <wers> dinner's cold already, but it's okay. haha
[14:02] <mat_t> thanks all!
[14:02] <thorwil> humphreybc: an _now_ i gonna get coffee! ^^
[14:02] <humphreybc> surprise of the century
[14:04] <mpt> vish, about bug 423525, it looks as though people are trying to comment on half a dozen different usability problems in the same report
[14:04]  * wers leaves his laptop and starts facing his dinner
[14:04] <wers> oh wait. are we done?
[14:04] <vish> mpt: yeah :(
[14:04] <mpt> wers, yes
[14:04] <mpt> wers, dude, sorry. I'll try to keep next week's to half an hour
[14:05] <humphreybc> breaking news, mpt says "dude"
[14:05] <wers> mpt, no it's ok. it's worth it :)
[14:10] <vish> mpt: how do you suggest we proceed? split the bug for each of the issues?
[14:11] <mpt> vish, yes, iirc there are already reports for some of the others. Maybe a "This bug report is not about ___ (bug X), _____ (bug Y), or ____ (bug z)" paragraph in the description. :-)
[14:12] <vish> mpt: ok , neat :)
[14:24] <ScottK> Just catching up on backscroll.  If you're looking for UX advocate/success stories: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/03/open_source_usability_success.html
[14:28] <mpt> thanks ScottK
[14:30]  * wers is back
[14:31] <wers> Again, if anyone's interested in the Usability Testing Suite project, please tell me. here's the wiki http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/UsabilityTestingSuite
[14:31] <wers> i'll probably start a thread about it again on GNOME Usability list
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