[00:03] <fta> i wonder if i should try to build chromium-os
[00:04] <BUGabundo> YYYYYYYYYYEEESSSSSSS
[00:04] <BUGabundo> I would run it
[00:05] <BUGabundo> I'm waiting for a build that works on my laptop, so I can have a dualboot
[00:07] <fta> the thing is, i'm just curious about it, i'm quite sure i have no real use for it
[00:09] <BUGabundo> until unity grows, I do
[00:09] <BUGabundo> specially now with the app Market
[00:11] <fta> well, the place i see it useful is on netbooks, but i mostly use mine offline
[00:12] <BUGabundo> I see it for really quick boot for web usage
[00:12] <fta> in the middle of nowhere, no wifi, and 3G is too expensive here
[00:12] <BUGabundo> like those moments you need to quick check email and maps or something
[00:12] <BUGabundo> I can tether from my android
[00:12] <BUGabundo> usb and wifi
[00:13] <fta> i can't, with my old phone
[00:14] <BUGabundo_TBBT> get a Nexus
[00:14] <BUGabundo_TBBT> you won't regret it
[00:14] <BUGabundo_TBBT> but then, we may loose your focus here
[00:17] <fta> yep, i'd like a nexus or its htc equivalent but as i said, unlimited internet on the phone is a fraud here
[00:19] <BUGabundo_TBBT> here too
[00:19] <BUGabundo_TBBT> 500-600 MBs for 15€
[00:22] <fta> jcastro, "a more responsible oil company that cares about the environment", is there such as thing?
[00:22] <BUGabundo_TBBT> ahahah
[00:23] <fta> sold my car nearly 4y ago
[00:23] <BUGabundo_TBBT> "beyond pretolem " they say.... so they are just making it _go_ away
[01:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you're working Monday, right?
[01:05] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i won't be working on monday ;)
[01:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh...holiday in UK also?
[01:05] <chrisccoulson> i'll probably hang around occasionally, but i'll be away for most of the day
[01:05] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we've got a holiday :)
[01:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, maybe we should make sure to touch base on Friday to make sure everything we can get ready is ready for Tuesday
[01:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you get my earlier pings?
[01:06] <chrisccoulson> just checking the scrollback
[01:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, feel free to do .lucid for thunderbird too
[01:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, will push up tonight so you can push to security PPA first thing in the morning
[01:11] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[05:06] <micahg> DASPRiD: have you used the new Seamonkey?
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> humm...the smell of metal breakdown!does tap water fix that? /o\
[11:00] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, http://www.aboutcolonblank.com/2010/05/21/what-would-you-do-if-you-saw-a-google-street-view-car-coming/
[13:46] <a2warik> i have ubuntu 8.04 desktop edition. earlier adobe flash plugin used to work well with mozilla firefox 3 beta 5. but now it doesn't seem to work. even though during installation of the latest flash i don't encounter any problem. will some one help?
[13:54] <ddecator> a2warik: doesn't work how?
[13:57] <a2warik> mozilla asks me again to install it whenever i  come across a video that requires flash
[13:58] <a2warik> as if i haven't installed it in the first place
[13:58] <ddecator> what version of ubuntu, what version of firefox, how did you install firefox, how are you installing flash, and does flash show up in Tools > Add-ons > Plugins?
[13:58] <ddecator> oh, 8.04
[13:58] <ddecator> haha, sorry
[13:58] <ddecator> still helpful to know the answers to the rest though :)
[14:00] <a2warik> mozilla that come with in the package 3rd 5th beta version. and installed it by clicking the adobe flash software
[14:01] <ddecator> so you installed it using a PPA? and you're installing Flash from online and not from the package, yes?
[14:01] <a2warik> yes
[14:02] <ddecator> what PPA are you using?
[14:03] <a2warik> intall-flash-player-10linux.deb
[14:04] <a2warik> sorry install
[14:04] <a2warik> opps
[14:04] <ddecator> i'm guessing that's from the adobe site?
[14:04] <a2warik> right
[14:04] <ddecator> ok, and what PPA for firefox?
[14:06] <a2warik> what is ppa.i thought its was inverse of some application. not a geek
[14:07] <ddecator> PPA is a Personal Package Archive. i thought since you had a beta version you were using one, but just realized hardy has b5 by default
[14:08] <ddecator> does flash appear in Tools > Add-ons > Plugins?
[14:08] <a2warik>  the package managers that ubuntu provides pops up when i double clip on the application
[14:08] <a2warik> No
[14:09] <ddecator> try installing flashplugin-nonfree
[14:10] <a2warik> but when i install it doesn't creat any problen and the installation manager confirms that the package is installed by asking whether i want to reinstall it
[14:10] <ddecator> or ubuntu-restricted-extras (but that comes with a bunch of extra stuff)
[14:11] <a2warik> is flashplugin-nonfree comes in the repository that synaptic package manager shows
[14:11] <ddecator> yes, flashplugin-nonfree is in the default repo
[14:19] <a2warik> no. i installed, mozilla still asks me to install the missing plugin. and even in the addons flash doesn't show up
[14:20] <ddecator> strange..
[14:20] <a2warik> thanks anyway.
[14:21] <ddecator> you can manually install it if you have to
[14:21] <ddecator> not the deb, but actually placing the .so in the proper folder
[14:23] <a2warik> how. will you explain me in simple way.
[14:25] <ddecator> well first, are you using 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu?
[14:25] <a2warik> 32-bit
[14:25] <ddecator> good, that makes things easier
[14:26] <a2warik> thank god
[14:27] <ddecator> download the .tar.gz from the adobe site, then place the .so in ~/.mozilla/firefox/blah.default/plugins/
[14:27] <ddecator> definitely not the ideal way...but if nothing else is working
[14:27] <ddecator> oh, you get the .so after extracting the tar.gz :)
[14:30] <a2warik> where are most of the installed softwares  kept in ubuntu. because this will give me (~/.) right
[14:31] <a2warik> their are many mozilla folder if i clicked seach in the nautilus window
[14:32] <ddecator> just use Ctrl+H to show hidden folders, then find .mozilla
[14:41] <a2warik> in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins i have flashplugin-alternative.so
[14:41] <ddecator> huh...
[14:43] <a2warik> i have ubuntu 9.10 but i like 8.04. may be i need to install it just for flash
[14:43] <ddecator> shouldn't need to
[14:44] <ddecator> is there an .so in /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/ ?
[14:46] <a2warik> no. but their in the empty directory flashplugin-nonfree
[14:50] <ddecator> not sure why it isn't working...sounds like a link isn't being made properly or something. you can copy the .so into that folder in your home directory though and it should work fine
[14:51] <a2warik> i tried to copy that flashplugin-alternative.so in this but the folder doesnt allow me to paste their
[14:51] <a2warik> there
[14:52] <ddecator> in .mozilla/blah?
[14:56] <a2warik> i had a this problem always with ubuntu not giving me the rights to open the system files. is their any way that i can get rid of the root  passward
[14:57] <ddecator> the only way to have complete access is to log in as root, which isn't recommended. you can use sudo to do this. either use the cp command with sudo, or you can launch sudo nautilus
[14:58] <a2warik> i tried  copying the flashplugin alternative .so file in ﻿/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and paste it in /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree
[14:59] <ddecator> ah, just try to put it in the .mozilla folder
[15:01] <a2warik> i didn't find any ""  .mozilla "" folder i did clicked view to show me the hidden folders
[15:01] <ddecator> in your home folder there is no .mozilla?
[15:04] <a2warik> ohh, i was searhing in the file systems directory
[15:12] <a2warik> thre isn't any blah folder in mozilla. i have only two folders extensions and firefox and within firefox there is only "  mh2dc8i7  " folder
[15:13] <ddecator> haha, right, worry, i just said 'blah' meaning 'whatever is in there'
[15:14] <ddecator> so ~/.mozilla/firefox/blah.default/plugins/
[15:14] <ddecator> the characters before .default varies for everyone, so whatever yours is
[15:20] <a2warik> within Firefox folder there is .default folder. i pasted the .so file in it should now  the plugin work. or is there something else much more specific folder do i need to paste the .so file into
[15:23] <a2warik>  i here have opened several windows to catch up with your instructions. how do you see throgh my eyes man. you must be smart with the computers
[15:26] <ddecator> haha, we work a lot with firefox. is it working now? the .so should be in the /plugins/ folder inside the .default folder
[15:32] <a2warik> htere isn't anythere isn't any plugins folder in in only 6 foldersthey  are searchplugin, extensions, chrome, cache, offlinecache and bookmarks
[15:33] <a2warik> sorry. there isnt any plugins folder only the above mentioned six folders and several files
[15:34] <ddecator> you can create one then
[15:37] <a2warik> i did create that folder copied that .so file in it restarted the mozilla and it still asks me to search for a plugin
[15:41] <gnomefreak> flash?
[15:41] <a2warik> you did helped me a lot man. Thanks.may be i need to work hard in learning computers on my end. there isnt problem with the computer or the instructions that you gave. the problem lies in me.
[15:42] <ddecator> no problem. sorry you ran into issues, it should have just worked for you.
[15:42] <ddecator> gnomefreak: yah
[15:43] <gnomefreak> ddecator: give me 1 minute, i know a page that will help
[15:43] <ddecator> gnomefreak: sounds good, thanks
[15:43] <gnomefreak> there is no plugin dir. as i recall
[15:43] <ddecator> not be default
[15:46] <ddecator> by*
[15:46] <gnomefreak> :) found it just waiting for page to load. sorry i have alot of file changes im making so its a bit slow
[15:47] <gnomefreak> ddecator: a2warik http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/flashplugin-nonfree/download
[15:47] <gnomefreak> yes i know its debian but it works
[15:47] <gnomefreak> assuming it is 64bit
[15:47] <ddecator> 32-bit
[15:47] <gnomefreak> 32 is in repos
[15:47] <ddecator> tried from the adobe site and flashplugin-nonfree already
[15:48] <gnomefreak> flashplugin-installer doesnt work?
[15:48] <a2warik> no
[15:49] <gnomefreak> a2warik: try debians package. http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/flashplugin-nonfree/download
[15:49] <ddecator> wait..
[15:49] <gnomefreak> for some reason /default/plugins
[15:50] <ddecator> a2warik: you said you're on karmic now?
[15:51] <a2warik> whats karmic
[15:51] <gnomefreak> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:52] <a2warik> 8.04 desktop ed
[15:52] <gnomefreak> also are you behind a proxy?
[15:52] <gnomefreak> hardy
[15:53] <gnomefreak> a2warik: can you please copy and post it to paste bin. go to firefox and type about:plugins in the address bar and post that to pastebin
[15:55] <gnomefreak> there is a wiki on how to install it in konq. and chromium IIRC using the .so
[15:56] <a2warik> do you mean in the seearch bar and what is pastebin
[15:56] <ddecator> paste.ubuntu.com
[15:58] <gnomefreak> ddecator: a2warik try http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/255251/how_to_install_the_adobe_flash_plugin.html
[15:58] <gnomefreak> no need to paste it at this time
[15:58] <gnomefreak> just follow instructions on the above link
[16:00] <gnomefreak> all you really need to do is use the installer script in the tarball/dir
[16:00] <ddecator> alright, time for class
[16:00] <ddecator> good luck a2warik
[16:00] <gnomefreak> it finishes on http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/255251/how_to_install_the_adobe_flash_plugin_pg2.html?cat=15
[16:00] <a2warik> thank you ddeactor:-D
[16:00] <gnomefreak> ddecator: have fun ;)
[16:01] <ddecator> gnomefreak: oh i will...
[16:01]  * gnomefreak just waiting for moving dir. than i have alot of work to do
[16:01] <gnomefreak> oh it is done :) a2warik ill wait and see if it worked for you
[16:06] <a2warik> past few minutes went so fast for me evryhting started flashing in my head. i couldnt understand what you wanted me to paste in the pastebin.now i am reading  the article if i have any problems  i would let you know
[16:07] <gnomefreak> a2warik: no need to paste anything for me at this time. just try the artical for now.
[16:07] <a2warik> ok thank you
[16:07] <micahg> flashplugin-nonfree should work thorough jaunty
[16:08] <gnomefreak> np
[16:08]  * gnomefreak thought same thing
[16:08] <micahg> if not, we should fix it
[16:08] <micahg> a2warik: what version of firefox?
[16:09] <gnomefreak> i think i screwed up :( formating a USB stick and i chose compatible with all systems (fat32) not sure if that means ext* and fat*
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> hey micahg
[16:10] <a2warik> version 3.0 beta 5
[16:10] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[16:10] <micahg> a2warik: try upgrading to 3.0.19
[16:10] <gnomefreak> beta? didnt we p[ush the final
[16:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: that's the version in a base hardy install
[16:10] <gnomefreak> and we have 3.5 in hardy IIRC
[16:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: no
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i started work on updating extensions today. i've done adblock, all-in-one-sidebar, firebug and greasemonkey so far
[16:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: we will be pushing 3.6
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> i suppose i should make a wiki for this really
[16:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I thought you were going to do backporting and I was going to do extensions?
[16:11] <gnomefreak> yeah i am thring to figue out whta release we pushed 3.5 to (not default version)
[16:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: jaunty
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> micahg - when i looked at the list of extensions, i thought it might be better to share it ;)
[16:11] <gnomefreak> micahg: ah thanks
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> there's quite a lot
[16:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, np, so, if you have a list, divide it and tell me what I need to do
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll do that in a bit
[16:12] <micahg> or if you need me to make the list, I didn't do it last night, since I thought it was all me
[16:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, could you please push TB3.0.5build2 to the security PPA so we can get a little pre testing :)
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i've got a list, compiled with the same method as the lucid list
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> yep, i'll do that now
[16:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks, maverick and lucid are ready
[16:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I can't prepare the backports because I don't have the CVE info yet :)
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> for thunderbird?
[16:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yep
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> ah, of course, you need the CVE's to figure out which security patches to backport
[16:14] <micahg> and 3.7 daily keeps breaking :(
[16:14]  * gnomefreak will be gone for most of today but if everything goes good i should be here tomorrow :)
[16:14]  * gnomefreak reinstalling to fix thunderbird :/
[16:15] <gnomefreak> but it will fix other issues i have
[16:15] <micahg> gnomefreak: sorry, I'm just not sure what's causing your issues
[16:15] <gnomefreak> micahg: me niether but i will find the issue and let you know
[16:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I'm going to try to make a minimal patch for the Seamonkey crash issue, if we can get it landed on 1.9.1 branch, we can include in 2.0.5
[16:16] <micahg> but we could really use a test case...
[16:16]  * micahg will dig up some emails of people who asked about it and try to get one
[16:17] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson, micahg: hi!
[16:17] <micahg> hi jdstrand
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> hi jdstrand
[16:17] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson, micahg: I was curious about the status and rollout plans for ff 3.6.4 to hardy, et al
[16:18] <micahg> jdstrand: well, we're working on firefox rdepends (extensions) right now, trying for as close to the June 1 release as possible
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i've got ff3.6.4 and xul1.9.2 packaged and working on hardy and jaunty (i just need to push that to PPA later)
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> and yeah, we hope to have all the extensions done pretty quickly, as they're the only thing that blocks the roll-out really
[16:19] <jdstrand> so the goal is to release 3.6.4 with all fixed rdepends on Tuesday
[16:19] <jdstrand> ?
[16:20]  * gnomefreak 90% sure this is java related (nonfree or free) i am fairly sure it started after i made changes to java in update-alternatives but since i have grub and other issues i am going to reinstall.
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah, hopefully we can do that. most of the extensions updates are trivial, but it's just that there's a lot to do
[16:20] <gnomefreak> ^^ the blinking crap
[16:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I'll be working Sun and Mon on this to try to finish up anything left
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> micahg - excellent :)
[16:21] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ok. I'm not pushing for Tuesday-- to me the most important thing with this update is testing
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - yeah, that's the bit which worries me ;)
[16:21]  * gnomefreak hates to ask but we should have a separate PPA for stable thunderbird
[16:21] <jdstrand> which is in conflict with the us holiday on monday
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> it's easy to find testers for the latest releases, but i don't know how we do that for hardy
[16:22] <jdstrand> yes, that is always tricky
[16:22] <jdstrand> it falls on us then
[16:22] <jdstrand> I plan to help test once packages are available
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - so, ff3.6.x, xul1.9.2 and the extensions will all need to go through *-security (i think we agreed that at UDS), but i'm not sure whether we want to handle the other updates separately
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> eg,
[16:23] <micahg> gnomefreak: I did that :)
[16:23] <jdstrand> I think we should be plan to have good packages ready on tuesday, with the understanding that our testing may not be complete until the end of the week
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> with the epiphany webkit backport, the xulrunner update doesn't break the existing epiphany version, but we're still porting it to webkit
[16:24] <micahg> jdstrand: sounds good, I remember you saying if we get it up within a week that we're ok
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> i'm still not clear how we handle those updates
[16:24] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yes, ff36 and xul19 need to go through security, but so does everything else, since people running with only -security could get hit by bugs
[16:24] <gnomefreak> micahg: where is the PPA (mozilla team PPA)?
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - so, that also applies to things like epiphany and the other xulrunner rdepends?
[16:25] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, I pushed to hardy, jaunty, karmic
[16:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yes. there is a USN precedent for that... let me find it
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[16:26] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok cool thanks
[16:26] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: quick question: what version of webkit did you backport?
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, the one from karmic
[16:27] <gnomefreak> wha tis wrong with the webkit PPA?
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> (i can't remember the version off the top of my head)
[16:27] <gnomefreak> s/wha t/what is
[16:27] <micahg> gnomefreak: epiphany's xul version is EOL, so instead of porting it fwd to xul 192, we backported epiphany webkit 2.28 from karmic
[16:28] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[16:28]  * micahg thinks this will be the record for most SRUs in one shot
[16:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I've been pushing with pre-release versions to the transition PPA (~ffox36~ppa1) vs 0.10.04.1 since I didn't do any testing yet, do you want me to change that?
[16:34] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: ok, I was asking as I will probably need to backport webkit 1.2 to previous releases, so at least the karmic version should have the same API/ABI
[16:34] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: except for dependency hell, but that's another problem :)
[16:34] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: did you have a list off all the rdepdens and the packages that are going to be updated?
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> sorry, just on a call right now
[16:36] <nxvl> sure, i can wait
[16:36] <nxvl> :D
[16:44] <gnomefreak> does the live ISO offer a text based install?
[16:46] <micahg> gnomefreak: I think so, select alternate installer
[16:46]  * micahg hasn't tried it though
[16:46] <nxvl> the alternate one does
[16:47] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks.
[16:47] <nxvl> not sure about the normal live CD
[16:47] <nxvl> the alternate installer has the debian installer basically
[16:47] <gnomefreak> nxvl: yeah but i dont have enough time to grab it and burn it. at the rate im going i will be done with everything ~5pm and its ~11:45 now
[16:48] <nxvl> just a bunch of debconf questions
[16:48] <nxvl> oh, then i think you need to use the graphical one
[16:48] <nxvl> but i'm not 100% sure tough
[16:49] <gnomefreak> nxvl: yeah i have the final 10.04 disk but im not sure if my system will handle the GUI
[16:49] <nxvl> maybe somewhere in the options you have text based
[16:49] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling the server installer installs extra server apps
[16:50] <nxvl> nope it doesn't
[16:50] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[16:50] <nxvl> it's just a base system, BUT it does install the server kernel
[16:51]  * gnomefreak can live with that 
[16:51] <gnomefreak> nxvl: thanks
[16:51] <gnomefreak> just 5 more gigs than i can install
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - for the xulrunner rdepends, the priority packages are in the table at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/xulrunner-list
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> for the extensions, i haven't created a wiki page just yet, but the list looks something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/440456/
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> although, the ones that are thunderbird specific won't be updated
[16:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you do 3.5.10 yet?
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not yet, just doing 3.6.4+build6 ;)
[16:57] <micahg> build 6?
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, there's another one now ;)
[16:57] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: ok, because i will need to do the work for oems, si basically take all you work and re-do it in oem images
[16:57] <micahg> I see :)
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - heh, you don't know what you're letting yourself in for ;)
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> j/k
[16:58] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: actually i do, i don't want to, but i know
[16:58] <nxvl> :P
[16:58] <nxvl> i just need to sync/merge your work, so is not that hard
[16:58] <nxvl> but i need to know what exactly you did to be able to reproduce it in the oem archives
[16:59] <mdeslaur> nxvl: the oems shipped epiphany?
[16:59] <nxvl> mdeslaur: define shipped
[16:59] <nxvl> mdeslaur: if shipped as in is in the archive, then yes
[16:59] <nxvl> if shipped as in is installed in the system, no
[16:59] <mdeslaur> nxvl: oh, you security patch the whole archive?
[16:59] <mdeslaur> nxvl: or just "main"?
[16:59] <mdeslaur> or just "shipped pre-loaded"
[17:00] <nxvl> mdeslaur: mmm, i sync all the archive
[17:00] <nxvl> mdeslaur: so yeah i update the whole archive
[17:00] <mdeslaur> I see
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur / jdstrand - for the firefox update, i reused the current source package name in hardy and jaunty (firefox-3.0). does this make sense to you to do this (rather than introducing a whole new source package)?
[17:03] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: I don't personally have a preference, as long as the upgrade path still works
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, yeah, that's the bit that's going to need some good testing
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> that was the only real challenge in updating the package really
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> we need new langpacks too
[17:08] <mdeslaur> oh, hrm
[17:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: arnegoetje said he'd work on those
[17:08] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur - ArneGoetje is already aware of that though
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just pinged him now
[17:09] <mdeslaur> oh, good
[17:09] <mdeslaur> I just wonder if we need to push langpacks through -security...
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, good point. we probably do, as the current langpacks don't work at all in ff3.6
[17:10] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: what happens when you open ff3.6 with an old langpack?
[17:10] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: fire? :)
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, no, just english ;)
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> but that's probably just as bad as fire for some people
[17:11] <mdeslaur> ah, yes :)
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i trust that you built and tested thunderbird before i upload ;)
[17:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: built yes :)
[17:12] <micahg> will test in PPA
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[17:22] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: btw, did you have a work plan or a document on how to proceed?
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - not yet, i store too much information in my head atm ;)
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you need to set the distroseries to lucid-security for the tb update ;)
[17:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oops :-/
[17:24] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: can you write at least a draft on what needs to be done
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> heh, no worries, i can do that
[17:24] <nxvl> ?
[17:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it's been a little while
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - i can, but not today
[17:25] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: sure, not in a rush
[17:39] <fta> who's fluent in python here?
[17:40] <fta> what's the best way to cache a huge dict on disk? such as compute it once, store it and reuse it for the next iterations.
[17:40] <kylehuff> fta: which dialect? good code or fast code?
[17:41] <nxvl> fta: pickle
[17:41] <nxvl> fta: http://docs.python.org/library/pickle.html
[17:41] <fta> it's just to speed up the development of the rest of the code. i'm done with the data collection part
[17:41] <fta> reading..
[17:42] <nxvl> fta: it's basically a python-data database
[17:42] <fta> good enough, thanks
[17:42] <nxvl> fta: you store varibales and what you want on it, and then call it and get into the app
[17:42] <nxvl> that's what is used for the USN database
[17:42] <fta> i come from Perl, and Data::Dumper is often the answer
[17:44] <nxvl> it's about the same
[17:44] <nxvl> same idea basically
[17:44] <nxvl> get the state of the varibales, store it into disk, call them later in other scripts
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - did you need to make the DMB owner of ubuntu-mozilla-uploaders, or is that something they take care of? (i didn't follow the whole meeting)
[18:05] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'd already done ff3.5.10 for karmic btw
[18:19] <fta> nxvl, for some reason, pickle is not able to read its own dumps
[18:19] <nxvl> fta: you might be doing something wrong
[18:20] <nxvl> fta: i remember i had that problem
[18:22] <nxvl> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/440481/
[18:23] <fta> nxvl, mine looks something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/440482/
[18:23] <fta> remember i'm a py noob
[18:23] <nxvl> the problem is in the open
[18:24] <nxvl> try using open(os.path.dirname(sys.argv[0])+"/data.dump")
[18:30] <fta> nxvl, whatever i try, it fails with http://paste.ubuntu.com/440486/
[18:30] <nxvl> ohh, i think i pointed you to thw wrong library
[18:30] <nxvl> one sec
[18:31] <nxvl> http://docs.python.org/release/2.5/lib/module-cPickle.html
[18:31] <nxvl> it's basically the same, just different library
[18:32] <nxvl> jdstrand: where does usn_lib lives? i can't find it
[18:34] <jdstrand> nxvl: usn_lib?
[18:35] <nxvl> jdstrand: i've a usn_lib written by you and kees
[18:35] <jdstrand> oh in uct
[18:35] <jdstrand> in scripts/usn_lib.py
[18:42] <nxvl> fta: there you have, branch lp:ubuntu-cve-tracker and in that file you can see how cPickle works
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> grrrr, i can't get on to addons.mozilla.org
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> not what i need right now
[19:16] <fta> nxvl, same problem, but the error gives me a hint... TypeError: ('__init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given)', <class 'wadllib.iso_strptime.TimeZone'>, ())
[19:25] <fta> nxvl, fixed it. in my object, i have some dates, a few of those were stored as code instead of string
[19:50] <nxvl> fta: :D
[21:00] <asac> ho
[21:00] <BUGabundo> oh
[21:00] <asac> ;)
[21:00] <BUGabundo> (:
[21:01] <asac> chrisccoulson: all fine?
[21:02] <micahg> asac: how's so. california?
[21:03] <asac> good ... tough i have to work today and tomorrow :/
[21:03] <asac> so not much time to go to SF et al
[21:03] <asac> s/tough/though/
[21:10] <fta> is anyone good in css?
[21:10] <fta> I need help to style this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/
[21:11] <fta> micahg, btw, the "copy" feature of LP breaks the API, ^^
[21:13] <micahg> fta: what do you mean?
[21:13] <fta> the LP API doesn't report copied packages
[21:13] <micahg> fta: ah, I'd say you should file a bug :)
[21:14] <micahg> fta: probably against soyuz
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> hey asac - i'm all good thanks. how are you?
[21:17] <asac> chrisccoulson: jet lagged ;)
[21:17] <asac> sitting in a hotel room trying to work ;)
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> asac - where are you now?
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> you're not in the bar? ;)
[21:18] <asac> hehe
[21:18] <asac> its 1300 now here in CA
[21:19] <asac> dont want to start drińking that early ;)
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, 1300 is a little early for drinking ;)
[21:21] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur - we're probably going to get updated langpacks for hardy and jaunty tomorrow :)
[21:22] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: cool
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i've not created a wiki page for tracking extensions yet, but i just dumped my list in to a gobby document (mozillateam-hardy-extensions). i've trimmed out the thunderbird-specific ones, and also the ones i could find which aren't currently installable anyway (we don't need to worry about those)
[21:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> i've marked the ones i've already updated, so feel free to take whichever ones you want
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> when you take off the currently broken ones and thunderbird specific extensions, then the list really isn't that bad
[21:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that list isn't too bad
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> i don't know if i missed any though - i just searched for packages with an install.rdf
[21:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think we eventually need ubufox to be release neutral, but that's a project for later
[21:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: midbrowser is an app, not an extension
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> good spot - feel free to remove ;)
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> i just removed kompozer too, which appeared in the list
[21:43] <micahg> it's on the list at the bottom of the xul page
[21:44] <micahg> k, so I'll work on whatever is left this weekend
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> i haven't done the list for jaunty yet ;)
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> i'll do that in a bit though
[21:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, let's try to finish hardy for Tuesday and while testing on hardy is taking place we can do Jaunty
[21:46] <micahg> but I guess the list is good to have anyways :)
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, did you say you already had a USN for the hardy / jaunty updates? i'm going to start getting things in to the PPA in the next few minutes
[22:32] <fta> chrisccoulson, micahg: let me know if you have ideas to improve this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/ (just made it clickable)
[22:47] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: no, I didn't get one...please ask jdstrand or kees for one, I'll be on vacation for the next week
[22:48] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I didn't already give you one?
[22:50] <jdstrand> well, I can't find it
[22:50] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: 946-1
[22:51] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: use that for all the ff364 builds
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i have 930-1 for the ff364 update for lucid, but i wasn't sure whether we would have a separate one for the hardy + jaunty backports
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> fta - that's pretty nice :)
[22:53] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ah, then use 930-1 for all of them
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[22:54]  * jdstrand gives back 946-1 to the usn tool
[23:01] <fta> chrisccoulson, it's too wide, but i can't think of anything to make it more compact
[23:01] <fta> besides dropping jaunty :P
[23:48] <asac> fta: maybe announce the daily dashboard on -devel?
[23:48] <fta> asac, irc?
[23:48] <asac> fta: you could make one table for  each release channel to avoid the wideness
[23:48] <asac> fta: no mailing list
[23:49] <asac> fta: also maybe a link directly to logs would be great for failed builds
[23:49] <fta> asac, the reason i did it that way was because i wanted the package versions aligned
[23:50] <asac> firefox-3.5 -> why is that still built for lucid?
[23:50] <fta> asac, yep, i collect the log urls, but the tooltip is too simple (not clickable)
[23:50] <asac> hmm
[23:50] <asac> fta: the versions are usually different for daily/beta/dev anyway ... arent they?
[23:50] <fta> look at the date
[23:51] <fta> yes, version is different, but it helps to see that they are different when you know they shouldn't
[23:52] <fta> well, at least, that's my view of it.. channels moving at different paces
[23:52] <BUGabundo> ehe
[23:52] <asac> yeah. was just a suggestion. if you say its more useful for you that way, thats fine
[23:52] <asac> firefox fails in hardy?
[23:53] <asac> ah i remember
[23:53] <asac> qt
[23:53] <asac> micahg: did we create a .hardy-karmic branch or something for ffox?
[23:53] <fta> that's my 1st true python program :)
[23:53] <asac> lol
[23:53] <asac> fta: and do you start liking python?
[23:54] <fta> i finally made head or tail of the LP API
[23:54] <micahg> asac: no, I never made a branch
[23:54] <fta> nope, i prefer Perl or even javascript
[23:54] <micahg> asac: I just drop the KDE patches when I push to stable PPA
[23:55] <asac> hmm
[23:55] <asac> that feels bad ;)
[23:55] <asac> something better needs to be invented
[23:55] <asac> check with chrisccoulson ... maybe he has ideas
[23:55] <BUGabundo> fta: JS ? ehe
[23:55] <fta> for 15y, js was just onclick do something, recently, i've done big things with it, html5, canvas, ajax, I kind of like it now
[23:56] <micahg> asac: I know, it's been bothering me.  I was thinking of using fta's bot and making a branch, but never learned how to use it
[23:56] <asac> hmmm
[23:56] <asac> nsFilePicker.cpp:603: error: 'gtk_widget_get_window' was not declared in this scope
[23:56] <asac> that doesnt look qt related
[23:56] <BUGabundo> I don't code... but I would say Python is by far superior
[23:56] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49185714/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.firefox_3.6.5~hg20100526r34261%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:56] <BUGabundo> but hey, its my POV
[23:56] <fta> BUGabundo, for webapps, python is useless
[23:57] <chrisccoulson> that patch needs fixing to not use the newer gtk functions ;)
[23:57] <fta> i find python slow
[23:57] <asac> chrisccoulson: ++
[23:57] <asac> chrisccoulson: can you help micahg to get the branch just build in hardy?
[23:57] <micahg> asac: http://pastebin.com/j625K7XD
[23:57] <chrisccoulson> GTK_WIDGET(widget)->window ;)
[23:57] <asac> would be great to make the patch so that the whole qt stuff
[23:57] <asac> is not used in karmic-hardy
[23:57] <asac> but keeping the same build depends
[23:58] <asac> micahg: right. for that part you could use what chrisccoulson posted
[23:58] <asac> but at best there would be magic that would just skip the qt parts if the qt version is smaller than what is in lucid or something
[23:58] <fta> I'm glad my page revived old ftbfs ;)
[23:59] <micahg> asac: I saw something that did patching dynamically, but I don't remember now, I'll look for it after this porting stuff is done
[23:59] <asac> fta: ;)
[23:59] <asac> micahg: yeah. i think patchin dynamically is not really what we want. we rather want the pach just not use the qt bits if the qt version is lower than what is in lucid
[23:59] <asac> in that way all should just work
[23:59] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i can do that. i've already got a fix for the patch here, but it would be nice to have it only apply in lucid builds
[23:59] <chrisccoulson> i just dropped the patch entirely for the official hardy and lucid updates