| pgraner | ogasawara: how tyler working out for ya? | 00:18 |
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| ogasawara | pgraner: good so far, I've started some builds on it already | 00:21 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: yea I noticed all 12 cpus are pegged | 00:22 |
| ogasawara | :) | 00:22 |
| * maco wonders how much of this channel will show up in #ubuntu-meeting in a half hour to support your comrades | 00:22 | |
| * maco points at pgraner and manjo | 00:22 | |
| lifeless | komrades | 00:23 |
| ogasawara | Ooo, is the ubuntu membership meeting happening? | 00:23 |
| maco | yes | 00:24 |
| maco | in 35 minutes | 00:24 |
| * ogasawara will try to be there then | 00:24 | |
| * bjf done for today | 00:31 | |
| crimsun | cnd: the intent is, but I'm afraid we need to work on it more. The current wait is too short. | 00:38 |
| crimsun | cnd: namely there are reports of it being worse with the newer driver snapshots, so it doesn't affect LTS currently. | 00:39 |
| manjo | pgraner, membership meeting starts in 5mts ? | 00:56 |
| maco | manjo: oh so you ARE alive! | 00:56 |
| maco | manjo: 4 minutes now :) | 00:56 |
| manjo | ok | 00:56 |
| manjo | :) | 00:56 |
| pgraner | maco: yep | 00:56 |
| maco | pgraner: if you werent online, i was going to call your house | 00:57 |
| pgraner | maco: why? | 00:58 |
| manjo | pgraner, you on ubuntu-meeting ? | 01:00 |
| pgraner | manjo: yep | 01:00 |
| maco | pgraner: so you wouldnt miss the meeting? | 01:00 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: tyler cranks out builds quick! | 01:12 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: sweet... its dead quiet | 01:12 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: once we get emerald redone I might send this one on to you | 01:13 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: nice :) | 01:13 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: you need it more than I do | 01:13 |
| bjf | pgraner, is it like the one you are going to send me or is that yet another? | 01:14 |
| manjo | ogasawara, pgraner I made it | 01:15 |
| ogasawara | manjo: yep, congrats! | 01:15 |
| pgraner | manjo: congrats | 01:15 |
| manjo | thanks yall | 01:15 |
| akgraner | partah time for manjo! \o/ \o/ woo hoo!!! | 01:16 |
| manjo | akgraner, thanks for the wiki clean up ... owe you a drink of choice | 01:16 |
| manjo | akgraner, and the nice reco | 01:16 |
| akgraner | :-) you are most welcome! | 01:17 |
| jjohansen | back on later | 01:18 |
| maco | pgraner: your wiki page makes me think ive only met half the kernel team. or at least only been introduced to half of them by name | 01:20 |
| pgraner | maco: there are 27 now | 01:20 |
| maco | WOW | 01:21 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: your a whimp... tgardner had tyler at 35 load ave. today your at 13.75 | 01:34 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: damn. I wonder what he was doing. | 01:39 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: running stress and builds at the same time | 01:40 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: :-) | 01:40 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: that's cheating | 01:40 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: if you ain't cheatin' you aint trying | 01:40 |
| ogasawara | heh | 01:40 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: and if you get caught you ain't trying hard enough :-) | 01:41 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: awww I'm touched :-) | 02:11 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: congrats! /me goes to eat dinner | 02:16 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: thanks :-) | 02:17 |
| mrec | I figured out why my pc randomly reboots | 02:40 |
| mrec | it's fvdr | 02:40 |
| mrec | vdr | 02:40 |
| mrec | why vdr does that I don't know | 02:40 |
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| cnd | crimsun: what do you mean by "it doesn't affect LTS"? | 02:43 |
| cnd | Ubuntu 10.04 LTS? | 02:43 |
| RAOF | Thanks for that Xorg.0.log; nouveau isn't working, but the fallbacks are successfully kicking in, which they didn't do earlier in the Lucid cycle. | 02:51 |
| stenten | Am I correct in thinking that installing the two header files for the mainline PPA kernels will let you install restricted drivers through jockey? | 07:00 |
| RAOF | stenten: Sometimes. | 07:00 |
| stenten | i'm trying to troubleshoot someone's kernel problems :(. Should the lts-backport-maverick kernel Tim Gardner posted in kernel-ppa for the LTS Backport Kernel idea work? | 07:04 |
| RAOF | It depends on whether or not the restricted driver's kernel component will build against the new kernel. I know that fglrx doesn't, I'm unsure about nvidia. | 07:05 |
| stenten | Ah, that makes sense. It's the Broadcom Wireless driver. I'm thinking they just didn't install the header files correctly, so it should be moot. | 07:08 |
| stenten | Is there anything special in the ubuntu-specific (default) kernels that would affect restricted drivers, or is all that handled by the header files? | 07:10 |
| Sarvatt | stenten: grab bcmwl-kernel-source from maverick | 07:15 |
| * apw aches | 08:22 | |
| smb | apw, Hey morning. Before I forget this (because I did already many times), I got one interesting case of being unusually hot for an old thinkpad. Those things pretend to have a floppy drive even when not attached. And I noted it running quite hot. After blacklisting floppy its now down to a sensible temp on idle. | 08:25 |
| amitk | heheh, overheating due to floppy driver hallucinations | 08:26 |
| smb | Nearly. :) More to trying to access it over and over agai | 08:27 |
| smb | Some part of the basic installation tried to find out what is on the non-existing floppy in the non-existing drive. And seemed not to take a nothing for an answer | 08:28 |
| apw | smb, i wonder what the thing was doing | 08:28 |
| smb | apw, Not sure it came from userspace (as cd polling used to be) or from the driver to check there is a media present | 08:29 |
| smb | First thought its the lack of any frequency scaling (a quite old hw, T21 I think) | 08:30 |
| smb | But wanted to get rid of this anyoing "read error on fd0" messages | 08:31 |
| smb | and surprise, after blacklisting temp went down from 80 to 50C | 08:31 |
| apw | smb, yeah ... | 08:31 |
| apw | smb, i am almost supprised if it was that busy that you could remove it at all | 08:32 |
| smb | apw, I could not | 08:32 |
| smb | blacklisted and rebooted | 08:32 |
| smb | cking, \o | 08:32 |
| apw | smb, ahhh interesting, i bet waiting for status or something from the interface chipset | 08:34 |
| smb | apw, That would be my guess. But thats probably just something that happens not very often. I don't think any reasonably modern TPs will try to fake a floppy drive | 08:36 |
| apw | smb, is it faking it for hot plug ? | 08:36 |
| cking | morning, (yawn) | 08:37 |
| smb | Yes, afaik. You were able to replace the cd drive with a floppy drive (after some magic to disable the ide bus) and on older models you could attach a floppy later | 08:37 |
| * smb places a cup of coffee into cking 's hand | 08:38 | |
| * abogani2 waves | 08:39 | |
| apw | abogani2, moin | 08:39 |
| * smb waves back | 08:39 | |
| apw | smb, nasty but must be the trigger ... | 08:39 |
| abogani2 | cnd, apw: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=abogani/ubuntu-lowlatency-maverick.git;a=summary lowlatency branch | 08:39 |
| abogani2 | cnd, apw: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=abogani/ubuntu-lowlatency-maverick-meat.git;a=summary lowlatency branch | 08:39 |
| apw | cking, morning, its tooo hot here again | 08:40 |
| abogani2 | *meta | 08:40 |
| smb | apw, cking You actually see this bright thing in the sky? Its magically bright here but enough clouds and only 15°C | 08:42 |
| apw | yeah only 13c here so far, but its not going to stay cool for long i can feel it | 08:43 |
| apw | smb, and where is your 'degrees' button on your keyboard | 08:43 |
| smb | Above the ^ key :-P | 08:44 |
| smb | which is left of 1 | 08:44 |
| apw | not something i would have expected you to have an actual key for, no such key for me | 08:44 |
| apw | smb, so is that also the key which adds a flying circle over the top of vowels ? | 08:45 |
| smb | Its not considered that useful to do it | 08:46 |
| smb | I bet there is some magic to make it behave like ~ | 08:46 |
| smb | But now thats instant | 08:46 |
| smb | apw, Probably amitk 's keyboard does that | 08:47 |
| amitk | no flying circles on the finnish keyboard | 08:48 |
| amitk | though there is a key for 'A' with the flying circle (used in norwegian, i think) | 08:49 |
| * smb wonders whether abogani2 currently plays with his PPA | 08:54 | |
| abogani2 | smb: No | 08:56 |
| cking | man it's sunny today - and it's near a UK holiday | 08:57 |
| smb | abogani2, Hrm, I just tried to get the sources for the linux-rt packages from it and the orig.tar.gz appears lost to me | 08:57 |
| smb | cking, Its a trap. As soon as you go out there will be water | 08:57 |
| cking | smb, I need the rain to water my garden, so it's no big loss ;-) | 08:59 |
| smb | cking, Well no, but you don't want it on *you*, do you? | 09:00 |
| * smb had his share of cold water from above yesterday | 09:00 | |
| abogani2 | smb: Mhhhh | 09:00 |
| abogani2 | smb: I surely have did a mistake: apologize for this. It is my fault haven't did enough tests. So I have investigated and _seems_ that orig.tar.gz is the same of the previous version (if I don't recall wrong I almost sure to have used "debuild -S -sd"). In any case I'll upload again to an other PPA to be sure. Sorry again. :-( | 09:24 |
| smb | abogani2, Ah, ok. In theory the orig.tar.gz would be a clean 2.6.31 linux tree, so I should also be able to use that. But I wanted to be sure. Just let me know when it has been uploaded. No need to wait for the build for me. :) | 09:28 |
| abogani2 | smb: Ok thanks. I'm _really_ sorry. | 09:31 |
| * abogani2 doesn't like waste time of UKT members... | 09:31 | |
| smb | abogani2, Bah, compared to the time you had to wait on me thats nothing. | 09:32 |
| abogani2 | smb: I have found the files which I used to first upload. I have just re-uploaded and again orig.tar.gz is unavailable :-( | 09:55 |
| smb | abogani2, Ok, cool. Some PPA as before, right? | 09:55 |
| smb | err | 09:55 |
| smb | I should open my eyes this morning | 09:56 |
| abogani2 | smb: No because same PPA don't accept to build the same version two times. | 09:56 |
| abogani2 | smb: Is it debdiff enough for you? | 09:56 |
| smb | abogani2, I would want to try to extract in and look at things. Hm, have you an account on zinc? | 09:57 |
| abogani2 | smb: Sure. | 09:57 |
| smb | abogani2, Then just dump the files there. :) | 09:57 |
| abogani2 | smb: Also orig.tar.gz ? | 09:59 |
| smb | abogani2, Is that just a linux-2.6.31.tar.gz? (Like from kernel.org)? In that case probably just add a text file with the md5sum of it and I make one here. | 10:00 |
| smb | I just want to be sure to take the same orig.tar.gz when playing with it | 10:00 |
| abogani2 | smb: It could be Karmic orig.tar.gz. In any case Zinc seems go fast now so I'm uploading it too, | 10:01 |
| smb | abogani2, right, which is in turn just the plain Linus tree. But perfect. Seems you got a good uplink. :) | 10:02 |
| abogani2 | smb: I have just uploaded the classic triple (diff, dsc, orig), debdiff (only for safety) and the two files for meta. At the moment the only issue that I know is the section which is settled to "lucid" (I suspect "lucid-updates" should be used instead). | 10:28 |
| apw | lucid-proposed probabally | 10:28 |
| smb | abogani2, Make that 'lucid-proposed" | 10:28 |
| smb | yeah | 10:28 |
| smb | after release (at least the packages we do) is uploaded to proposed and then later archive copied to updates | 10:29 |
| smb | abogani2, I will have a look next and reply anything I think to your original email | 10:30 |
| abogani2 | smb: Ok. Thanks! | 10:30 |
| michiel_e | hello | 10:59 |
| michiel_e | is there a difference in module loading/features used between normal and recovery mode? | 11:00 |
| michiel_e | because I have a server in here who is shutting down itself after 1 minute or so | 11:01 |
| michiel_e | but in recovery mode it doesn't do that | 11:01 |
| michiel_e | even when I manually go in recovery mode and then start runlevel 2 | 11:01 |
| michiel_e | so even when the same applications are running, it doesn't shutdown in recovery mode but does in normal mode | 11:02 |
| michiel_e | so I try to pinpoint the problem | 11:02 |
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| michiel_e | could it be that a kernel module reacts on cpu fans not running (at least 0RPM in sensor data) but in recovery mode ignores that? | 11:06 |
| kro | have a look at /boot/grub/grub.conf to see which kernel options differ in your case | 11:08 |
| michiel_e | quiet splash in normal, and single without quiet splash in recovery mode | 11:10 |
| michiel_e | even when I disable splash and quiet on boot it shutsdown | 11:11 |
| kro | and no reason for the shutdown in the logs? is it really a shutdown or rather a crash? | 11:13 |
| michiel_e | it could be a crash | 11:14 |
| michiel_e | but I think a shutdown | 11:14 |
| michiel_e | because I see, when running top, flush and mdadm stopping it's devices | 11:14 |
| michiel_e | but I cannot find a shutdown reason in the logs | 11:15 |
| michiel_e | the only error I can find, but I really thing that is not the problem, is: svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97) | 11:16 |
| michiel_e | using the nfs kernel server | 11:16 |
| michiel_e | can I use some kind of verbose logging? | 11:23 |
| michiel_e | more verbose then removing quiet | 11:24 |
| kro | try replacing "quiet" with "debug" | 11:26 |
| kro | and maybe stuff your logs into some pastebin and paste the link here :-) | 11:26 |
| kro | that is, syslog and maybe dmesg | 11:26 |
| michiel_e | ok | 11:26 |
| michiel_e | udev-worker add_inotify failed couldn't be the cause now could it? | 11:27 |
| michiel_e | /var/log/messages, right? | 11:30 |
| joaopinto | michiel_e, that was a bug during development on which a shutdown was performed because the fsck from mountall was running on the background, and the script was invoking the *after file system check* reboot when the system was running, that bug is expected to be fixed now, I am just wondering | 11:33 |
| michiel_e | joaopinto, lucid-updates is set as repo as well as multiverse and universe | 11:35 |
| michiel_e | and fully upgraded via dist-upgrade | 11:35 |
| michiel_e | joaopinto, you know how I can confirm that is that bug? | 11:36 |
| joaopinto | mv /etc/init/mountall-reboot.conf /etc/init/mountall-reboot.conf.disable | 11:36 |
| michiel_e | or have a launchpad link? | 11:36 |
| joaopinto | that would make sure the mountall rebook will not be invoked | 11:36 |
| joaopinto | but this really a wild guess assuming it's a reboot and not a crash | 11:37 |
| joaopinto | is | 11:37 |
| michiel_e | yeah well, it looks like a crash, but looking at the processes it just flushes to the disk | 11:37 |
| michiel_e | so I actually don't know | 11:37 |
| michiel_e | the system doesn't give a shutdown message | 11:38 |
| michiel_e | but it seems like the kernel knows it's shutting down | 11:38 |
| apw | michiel_e, most fan control is bios level | 11:40 |
| michiel_e | the mountall-reboot.conf doesn't get invoked | 11:41 |
| michiel_e | so it's not that bug I guess | 11:41 |
| michiel_e | apw, but Ubuntu is using the sensor limits, right? | 11:41 |
| apw | michiel_e, and one minute seems a bit quick to overheat anyhow | 11:41 |
| michiel_e | apw, yeah but it's not even overheating | 11:42 |
| apw | michiel_e, you can find out what they are, but most actual control is done in the bios | 11:42 |
| apw | i suspect its more likely something else, a panic or something | 11:42 |
| apw | if you can see the console, then i would boot without quiet and without splash | 11:42 |
| apw | and see if you see anything on the console to aid debug | 11:42 |
| michiel_e | the sensor data: http://pastebin.com/3akr24m4 | 11:43 |
| michiel_e | I'm worried if the system reacts on the fan RPM's being 0 | 11:44 |
| michiel_e | this is the system information: http://pastebin.com/NUTt6T6W | 11:44 |
| apw | michiel_e, i don't know of any support there that is not builtin, and therefore would behave the same | 11:44 |
| apw | in recovery and normal modes | 11:45 |
| michiel_e | I am going to test with recovery mode, going through normal boot process | 11:49 |
| michiel_e | in debug mode | 11:49 |
| apw | michiel_e, sounds like a sound plan | 11:53 |
| kro | michiel_e: 2.6.34-020634-generic is that your own kernel? maybe try to compare if the same thing happens with the lucid kernel? | 11:55 |
| apw | kro, thats a mainline 2.6.34 kernel from the archive (i suspect) | 11:58 |
| abogani2 | Cool! The ondemand governor freezes an old P4! | 11:59 |
| apw | but yes, it would be good to know if the same issue appears with the stock lucid kernels as well | 11:59 |
| apw | abogani2, is that in the stock kernel or -rt ? | 12:00 |
| abogani2 | apw: Stock kernel. | 12:00 |
| abogani2 | apw, Karmic and Lucid. | 12:01 |
| apw | abogani2, lovely | 12:01 |
| apw | abogani2, so does it freeze when we switch after login ? | 12:01 |
| abogani2 | apw: No. Randomly. | 12:02 |
| apw | abogani2, not helpful, does it panic or just lock up hard | 12:02 |
| abogani2 | apw: Very hard lock up. No Sysreq keys works, Only removing the battery. | 12:03 |
| apw | abogani2, woh, well i can only really say i've not heard of that before | 12:03 |
| * abogani2 too | 12:04 | |
| apw | it is likely that freq control is different on P4 so i could imagine it being only broken there and few people even have them to notice now | 12:04 |
| * abogani2 agrees | 12:04 | |
| apw | abogani2, i assume if you leave it in performance everything is fine? other that it being a bad idea | 12:04 |
| abogani2 | apw: After a week it still runs. | 12:04 |
| abogani2 | No freeze at all. | 12:05 |
| abogani2 | No useful log neither through network nor through serial. | 12:05 |
| abogani2 | So a sort of magic :-) | 12:06 |
| abogani2 | apw: It is P4 _*_Mobile_ *_ | 12:06 |
| amitk | cooloney: thanks for the sbuild write | 12:08 |
| amitk | up | 12:08 |
| michiel_e | apw, same issue appears with stock kernel as well | 12:10 |
| michiel_e | apw, which do you like I debug, 2.3.34-* (which is indeed from ppa archive) or the stock? | 12:10 |
| cooloney | amitk: no problem, man. I think it is a good benchmark for our hardware machine. | 12:15 |
| cooloney | amitk and apw, it still took me 3 hrs to build the whole package. | 12:16 |
| cooloney | my server is not so powerful | 12:16 |
| amitk | cooloney: 3 hrs is still better than 7 hr on buildd and then fail :) | 12:16 |
| cooloney | amitk: aha, yeah, much better. | 12:17 |
| apw | michiel_e, likely matters not if the issue is in both | 12:24 |
| apw | abogani2, hrm | 12:25 |
| apw | cooloney, yeah and we'll get that put up on emerald once its rebuilt | 12:26 |
| apw | amitk, bah he has gone | 12:26 |
| abogani2 | apw. I'm about to disable ACPI_CPUFREQ and enable P4 CLOCKMODE instead. | 12:26 |
| apw | was going to say, and if its a local build you can 'continue it' by | 12:26 |
| apw | removing the build stamps | 12:27 |
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| michiel_e | there is in the boot process something running /sbin/poweroff | 13:38 |
| michiel_e | that's why it crashes | 13:38 |
| michiel_e | saw it with ps aux | 13:38 |
| michiel_e | although no parent process so hard to trace currently | 13:38 |
| michiel_e | maybe still the mountall bug | 13:39 |
| smb | Hm, somehow calling poweroff sounds like some sort of thermal emergency action. Unfortunately I am missing the details but I thought machine check events might be involved. On the other hand I don't see why things should be different in recovery mode (if there are no special options for the kernel in /boot/grub/grub.cfg). And in mine there only seems to be single instead of quiet splash... | 13:50 |
| soren | ls -l | 13:53 |
| soren | Yeah, that'll work :( | 13:54 |
| smb | soren, It better does not. :) | 13:56 |
| crocket | HI | 14:03 |
| jessicaNatalie | hello guys. i am trying to recompile the ubuntu kernel because i need to add support to toshiba laptops. I cant find this option when make menucofig. some help please | 14:03 |
| crocket | I want to file a bug report about recognition of my laptop keyboard by linux kernel. | 14:04 |
| crocket | All versions of linux kernel don't recognize my LG E300 built-in laptop keyboard. | 14:04 |
| crocket | It is a known problem. | 14:04 |
| crocket | But there is no relevant bug report as far as I know. | 14:04 |
| crocket | Where should I file a bug report about this? | 14:04 |
| michiel_e | /sbin/poweroff -fp | 14:05 |
| michiel_e | where the heck does that come from? | 14:05 |
| michiel_e | it has no parent process | 14:05 |
| Conficker- | bagaimana cara mendapatkan shell ya ? | 14:05 |
| Conficker- | yes how do I get a shell ? | 14:05 |
| crocket | michiel_e, "dpkg -S /sbin/poweroff" says it is included in upstart package. | 14:06 |
| crocket | Conficker- : Is that english? | 14:06 |
| michiel_e | this is my process list http://pastebin.com/neRdDPyi | 14:06 |
| michiel_e | ah ok | 14:06 |
| JFo | jessicaNatalie, what sort of support? | 14:07 |
| crocket | michiel_e, problem solved? | 14:07 |
| crocket | Somebody tell me about my problem | 14:07 |
| michiel_e | crocket, not yet, I need to find out why it's running poweroff | 14:07 |
| crocket | michiel_e, What's running it? | 14:07 |
| Conficker- | I could not ask for his shell ? | 14:08 |
| michiel_e | crocket, I think upstart, but not shure | 14:08 |
| jessicaNatalie | JFo i mean, i am runnig toshset and i am receiving this message "required kernel toshiba support not enabled." | 14:08 |
| michiel_e | crocket, no parent process | 14:08 |
| JFo | interesting, where do you see that jessicaNatalie? | 14:08 |
| crocket | michiel_e, Does it appear no matter how many times you reboot? | 14:09 |
| JFo | crocket, I'm not sure what you mean by where should you file it/ | 14:09 |
| jessicaNatalie | JFo: in console, when executing toshset | 14:09 |
| crocket | I think of filing a bug in bugzilla.kernel.org | 14:09 |
| crocket | I don't know which section of bugzilla.kernel.org I should file a bug in. | 14:09 |
| jessicaNatalie | JFo the truth is that i am doing this because i am having a very weird behavior in this laptop: when i boot ubuntu, the cooler is always off, unless I put the laptop to sleep and awake it again... | 14:10 |
| JFo | so the fans aren't working? | 14:11 |
| JFo | hmmm | 14:11 |
| Conficker- | why ? | 14:11 |
| JFo | jessicaNatalie, do you have a bug I can take a look at? | 14:11 |
| Conficker- | woy tahede | 14:11 |
| jessicaNatalie | JFo a bug? you can look at all you want, but no idea what you mean... some log file or something? | 14:12 |
| michiel_e | crocket, it appears al the time, but not in recovery mode | 14:13 |
| michiel_e | crocket, I think upstart is just running /etc/rc0.d/halt or something | 14:13 |
| michiel_e | crocket, but not sure though | 14:13 |
| JFo | nou, I mean have you filed one that I can look at and provide the team to work on? | 14:13 |
| JFo | jessicaNatalie, ^ | 14:13 |
| crocket | michiel_e, it doesn't have to be upstart that's running poweroff -fp | 14:13 |
| michiel_e | crocket, indeed it doesn't | 14:14 |
| michiel_e | crocket, maybe fgrep would give me some info | 14:14 |
| jessicaNatalie | JFo mmm no i havent... sorry for my ignorance | 14:14 |
| JFo | no problem :) | 14:14 |
| JFo | I just need one before we can start looking at the problem in-depth | 14:15 |
| JFo | jessicaNatalie, mind filing one? | 14:15 |
| jessicaNatalie | JFo I understand. So i will do it | 14:15 |
| jessicaNatalie | thanks a lot! | 14:15 |
| JFo | jessicaNatalie, my pleasure :) | 14:16 |
| JFo | Conficker, I'm not sure I understand what your questions are? | 14:17 |
| JFo | do you have a bug i can look at?> | 14:17 |
| JFo | crocket, I know you probably have already, but did you search against the kernel bugzilla for your laptop model to see if someone has already filed something? | 14:19 |
| crocket | JFo : I just checked and nobody reported such a bug. | 14:20 |
| JFo | ok | 14:20 |
| crocket | What section of bugzilla.kernel.org should I file a bug report in? | 14:20 |
| JFo | not sure what you mean by section | 14:21 |
| crocket | There is no section assigned to keyboards. | 14:22 |
| JFo | ah, right | 14:22 |
| crocket | I mean | 14:22 |
| crocket | a category | 14:22 |
| crocket | There is no category assigned to keyboards. | 14:22 |
| JFo | I think those are some sort of internal USB keyboard oddity from my conversation with smb | 14:23 |
| JFo | are you able to run lsinput crocket? | 14:24 |
| jessicaNatalie | JFo one last question: do you know where is this toshiba support option when recompiling the kernel???? I am sure I have seen it, but cant find it now... :) | 14:24 |
| crocket | JFo : Is it a command? | 14:25 |
| JFo | jessicaNatalie, I don't, unfortunately | 14:25 |
| JFo | crocket, yes | 14:25 |
| crocket | JFo : are you a kernel developer? | 14:25 |
| JFo | crocket, do you have an LP bug open? | 14:25 |
| JFo | crocket, I'm the bug triager | 14:25 |
| crocket | What's an LP bug? | 14:25 |
| jessicaNatalie | JFo mmm all right... I continue looking for it. thanks a lot! | 14:26 |
| JFo | launchpad bug | 14:26 |
| JFo | jessicaNatalie, my pleasure | 14:26 |
| crocket | JFo : I filed that bug somewhere in launchpad years ago, but nobody cared. | 14:26 |
| JFo | ah | 14:26 |
| crocket | Maybe it was a wrong place to file a report. | 14:26 |
| JFo | no it is, there are just so many that get opened | 14:26 |
| crocket | I think bugzilla.kernel.org is the right place | 14:26 |
| JFo | crocket, is the keyboard detected at all? | 14:27 |
| crocket | or better | 14:27 |
| JFo | is it misbehaving? | 14:27 |
| crocket | Let me pastebin for you | 14:27 |
| JFo | ok | 14:27 |
| crocket | I already have a USB keyboard plugged in. | 14:27 |
| JFo | I see | 14:28 |
| crocket | An external USB keyboard works. | 14:28 |
| JFo | but the internal doesn't at all? | 14:28 |
| crocket | JFo, http://pastebin.org/288193 <-- the result of lsinput | 14:28 |
| crocket | I don't know how to interpret the result. | 14:28 |
| crocket | There are some USB devices that don't have human-readable names. | 14:29 |
| crocket | "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" may be the external USB keyboard. | 14:29 |
| * JFo looks | 14:29 | |
| smb | No that seems to be the internal one | 14:30 |
| crocket | smb : do you think "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" is the internal keyboard? | 14:30 |
| smb | Its connected to the i8042 controller, which is usually the internal one | 14:30 |
| crocket | Damn | 14:30 |
| smb | It might be that hid device | 14:30 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| smb | /dev/input/event6 | 14:31 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| smb | bustype : BUS_USB | 14:31 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| smb | vendor : 0x566 | 14:31 |
| crocket | If I add "i8042.nopnp i8042.dumbkbd" in kernel boot parameters of GRUB, the keyboard works, but Num Lock and Caps Lock toggle LEDs don't blink at all, so I can't check the status of Caps Lock and Num Lock. | 14:31 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| smb | product : 0x3002 | 14:31 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| smb | version : 272 | 14:31 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| crocket | smb : don't flood man | 14:31 |
| smb | name : "HID 0566:3002" | 14:31 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| smb | phys : "usb-0000:00:13.0-2/input0" | 14:31 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| smb | uniq : "" | 14:31 |
| smb | # | 14:31 |
| smb | bits ev : EV_SYN EV_KEY EV_MSC EV_LED EV_REP | 14:31 |
| smb | gah | 14:31 |
| JFo | hmmm | 14:31 |
| smb | my bad | 14:31 |
| JFo | wonder why it doublespaced | 14:31 |
| crocket | JFo : How come does it get recognized and not work at all? | 14:32 |
| JFo | crocket, good question | 14:32 |
| smb | well, that points to that that | 14:32 |
| JFo | I'm not sure | 14:32 |
| crocket | ha | 14:32 |
| JFo | the HID device smb? | 14:32 |
| smb | The driver might try to communicate with it and fail at some point | 14:32 |
| smb | I believe that is the usb keyboard | 14:33 |
| crocket | i8042.nopnp & i8042.dumbkbd kernel options make it work | 14:33 |
| smb | lsusb could verify that | 14:33 |
| smb | mus be some device at 00:13.0-2 | 14:33 |
| JFo | crocket, mind running lsusb for us? | 14:33 |
| JFo | more for smb than for me :) | 14:34 |
| crocket | This is the result of sudo lsusb ---> http://pastebin.org/288208 | 14:34 |
| crocket | Why do I have to specify i8042.nopnp and i8042.dumbkbd? | 14:35 |
| crocket | I didn't have those options myself. Others found them for me. | 14:35 |
| smb | I need to check with those options | 14:35 |
| smb | But my guess is | 14:35 |
| smb | that the keyboard has some special ps2 protocol extensions variations | 14:35 |
| crocket | smb : In windows vista, it's recognized as a PS2 keyboard. | 14:36 |
| smb | and by telling it to use sumkbd the used commands on the protocol are more generic and simpler | 14:36 |
| crocket | What driver should I install? | 14:36 |
| crocket | or put in kernel? | 14:36 |
| smb | the driver is in the kernel. i8042, its just that this keybard might need special treatment by it | 14:37 |
| smb | dumbkbd: Do not try to control the state leds | 14:37 |
| smb | crocket, Have you once tried with only nopnp? | 14:38 |
| Kano | hi, could somebody add rt3090.bin | 14:38 |
| smb | I mean i8042.nopnp | 14:38 |
| crocket | smb : I tried, but don't remember the result now. | 14:38 |
| Kano | rt3071.bin is missing too | 14:38 |
| Kano | http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-ralink | 14:38 |
| Kano | there it is already packaged | 14:39 |
| crocket | I hate LG laptops. | 14:39 |
| smb | From the docs the nopnp does not do any plug and play to detect the keyboard, I assume it brute force looks at the common io ports | 14:39 |
| crocket | I called LG today, and the engineer there said no LG laptops have 64bit OS. | 14:39 |
| smb | The other option will prohibit any commands that control the leds | 14:39 |
| mjg59 | The kernel will do that anyway if there's no pnp devices described | 14:40 |
| smb | So no blinking, and so on | 14:40 |
| crocket | no blinking, dumb keyboard | 14:40 |
| mjg59 | But Windows depends upon there being something in the PNP tables, so if the keyboard appears in Windows, requiring nopnp is a Linux bug | 14:40 |
| pgraner | ***Notice*** All kernel team members, emerald is about be shutdown for upgrades at the top of the hour. Let me know if you need anything off of it. Thanks | 14:40 |
| crocket | Is it a common practice to build a PS2 keyboard in laptops? | 14:40 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 14:41 |
| crocket | pgraner : your english is confusing. | 14:41 |
| smb | I have not yet seen anything else | 14:41 |
| mjg59 | The only people who don't are Apple | 14:41 |
| smb | mjg59, you? | 14:41 |
| smb | Ah ok, apple | 14:41 |
| pgraner | crocket: how so? | 14:41 |
| crocket | Why do other laptops' PS2 keyboards work fine? | 14:41 |
| crocket | pgraner : "about to be shut down" may be correct, but I don't know what you tried to say. | 14:42 |
| crocket | pgraner, Plus, emerald is a windows manager of compiz fusion. | 14:42 |
| smb | crocket, To talk to it the ps2 protocol is used. You can make hardware that strictly uses the standard or not... | 14:42 |
| pgraner | crocket: sorry if it confused you it was meant for the kernel team members, and emerald is our build server | 14:43 |
| crocket | smb : what do you mean? | 14:43 |
| smb | mjg59, Do you know of your head what category bz uses for the input layer | 14:43 |
| crocket | pgraner, you just send commands to the server and the server build it? | 14:44 |
| crocket | What's bz? | 14:44 |
| pgraner | crocket: this is an internal canonical server | 14:44 |
| smb | crocket, You tell pgraner his english is strange. The same can happen on a protocol | 14:44 |
| smb | crocket, buzilla | 14:44 |
| crocket | ha | 14:44 |
| smb | bugzilla | 14:44 |
| crocket | What category in bugzilla should I file a bug report in? | 14:45 |
| crocket | I want the right people to see this | 14:45 |
| crocket | This is as nasty as a real bug. | 14:45 |
| apw | crocket, if those options you mentioned make it work, then a linux bug is appropriate | 14:46 |
| apw | and make sure the report has that information in it | 14:46 |
| crocket | Not just LG E300 but also Dell Vostro 1510, and other external PS/2 keyboards and mice don't work either. | 14:46 |
| smb | crocket, I would boot with the usb keyboard attached, without nopnp and dumbkbd but with i8042.debug=1 | 14:47 |
| crocket | smb : And where's the debug information? | 14:47 |
| crocket | how can I extract it into a text file? | 14:47 |
| mjg59 | smb: Not off-hand, sorry | 14:47 |
| smb | then use dmesg >dmesg.log and atach that file | 14:47 |
| crocket | dmesg would print logs that date back to days or even weeks. | 14:47 |
| crocket | I need to narrow it down to the last boot. | 14:48 |
| smb | crocket, no dmesg is in memory | 14:48 |
| crocket | ok | 14:48 |
| smb | so only things since boot | 14:48 |
| crocket | I just saw dmesg log file and it was way too large | 14:48 |
| crocket | I thought it was cumulative | 14:48 |
| smb | its a ring buffer in memory | 14:48 |
| crocket | smb : Does it change even after I log in gdm? | 14:49 |
| smb | crocket, yes | 14:49 |
| crocket | smb : tell me the category where I should file a bug report. | 14:49 |
| smb | Its the kernel log, it always changes as long as your machine is running | 14:49 |
| crocket | I also posted a bug report in bugzilla | 14:50 |
| crocket | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16065 | 14:50 |
| ubot2 | bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16065 in Video(Other) "linux 2.6.34 keeps ranting that it can't retrieve EDID from my old LCD monitor." [Normal,New] | 14:50 |
| crocket | what? | 14:51 |
| crocket | Are you the smart bot? | 14:51 |
| crocket | smb : Do you have no clue as to what category? | 14:51 |
| JFo | we are looking now | 14:52 |
| crocket | The severity must be "blocking" | 14:52 |
| crocket | Since it paralyzes the computer completely. | 14:53 |
| smb | crocket, I thing cat is drivers but not blocking | 14:53 |
| smb | blocking would mean your project is blocked | 14:53 |
| crocket | smb : You should look at the severity dropdown box. | 14:54 |
| crocket | bugzilla.kernel.org -> New -> Severity | 14:54 |
| smb | I see it, still blocking is the highest severity | 14:55 |
| smb | crocket, you are not on fire, are you? | 14:55 |
| crocket | If I was out without usb keyboard, I would be. | 14:56 |
| crocket | ok | 14:56 |
| crocket | Then I set it high | 14:56 |
| crocket | Nobody seems to be looking | 14:57 |
| smb | crocket, I would leave it at normal | 14:57 |
| crocket | Why? It's a source of frustration for lots of people. | 14:58 |
| crocket | Some would even think linux just doesn't work at all on their computers and abandon it. | 14:58 |
| crocket | I was about to abandon linux when it happened. | 14:58 |
| crocket | Normal problems should be something like https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16065. | 14:58 |
| ubot2 | bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16065 in Video(Other) "linux 2.6.34 keeps ranting that it can't retrieve EDID from my old LCD monitor." [Normal,New] | 14:59 |
| crocket | Linux keeps ranting, but I don't have to deal with it since it doesn't penetrate X window session and keeps ranting. | 14:59 |
| crocket | dmesg is severely ridden with no EDID error messages. | 15:00 |
| apw | crocket, there are many many bugs, 'my' bug isn't always the most severe that upstream has to look at. i had my machine overheating for 3 months till i had time to fix it | 15:00 |
| crocket | apw, what now? | 15:01 |
| amitk | lag: great improvement idea to editconfigs. :) | 15:01 |
| apw | lag, i think the layout of the change is a little odd and we can improve it, but the idea seems ok | 15:01 |
| lag | amitk, apw: It doesn't work yet, but I'm working on it | 15:02 |
| lag | I thought it did, but I came across problems | 15:02 |
| apw | lag, i think you call out of the outer for arch in arch loop for editconfigs and run a for arch in arch loop in the function and exit | 15:02 |
| apw | that seems odd. i think you should just check before the outer loop | 15:02 |
| apw | and go off into your function | 15:03 |
| amitk | isn't it scary I actually understood this: "call out of the outer for arch in arch loop for editconfigs and run a for arch in arch loop in the function " | 15:04 |
| crocket | smb, I have two candidate categories. One is IO/storage -> other and the other is Other -> other. | 15:04 |
| lag | I exit too early | 15:04 |
| smb | crocket, rather other | 15:04 |
| lag | And don't do any of the code after the final arch loop | 15:04 |
| crocket | other -> other? | 15:04 |
| smb | crocket, input devices might be another candicdate, but sthey seem to only think of mice there | 15:05 |
| crocket | all right. | 15:05 |
| crocket | Then it's other -> other. | 15:05 |
| crocket | I shoud reboot with i8042.debug=1 now. | 15:05 |
| lag | apw: With regards to your arch stuff, that should be fine. It will just over-write the variable. This isn't a problem, as it's not used again. | 15:11 |
| apw | yeah but its rather ugly flow wise | 15:16 |
| apw | anyhow when you've reworked it and got it working i'll have anohter look | 15:16 |
| lag | apw: No probs | 15:16 |
| apw | in my mind i see you adding a preloop which asks which to do and which to skip | 15:16 |
| apw | and use that result in the inner loop to skip running menuconfig for the ones we don't want | 15:17 |
| apw | and leave the remainder of the processing in place and untouched | 15:17 |
| apw | and to a large degree the split processing relies on all the configs being generated, even if in some cases you do not touch them | 15:17 |
| apw | lag^^ | 15:18 |
| lag | apw: ack | 15:18 |
| smb | tgardner, Have you already worked through your mail to my mail about compat-wireless-2.6.34 in lucid? | 15:22 |
| tgardner | smb, I'm just looking at it now. it looks like I kinda screwed the pooch. | 15:23 |
| smb | tgardner, It smelled like that. But good to know youre on it | 15:24 |
| * cking wrestles with his PPA | 15:27 | |
| apw | cking, always fun | 15:30 |
| crocket | hi | 15:30 |
| apw | anyone know what in userspace might be touching the CPUFREQ, someone with kubuntu is reporting this error being tripped: | 15:30 |
| apw | CPUFREQ: Per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up_threshold | 15:30 |
| crocket | I just posted a new kernel bug report --- > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16069 | 15:30 |
| crocket | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16069 | 15:30 |
| ubot2 | bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16069 in Other "All versions of linux don't recognize LG E300 laptop built-in PS/2 keyboard." [High,New] | 15:30 |
| apw | crocket, add the link to the launchpad bug, then it will get tracked | 15:31 |
| crocket | apw, Actually I didn't file a bug report in launchpad, but somebody else did. | 15:32 |
| crocket | I posted the report in ubuntu forum. | 15:32 |
| apw | JFo, i have a bug which is not a linux bug but i have no idea yet where the bug belongs | 15:32 |
| apw | JFo, do we have (or should we have) a tag like kernel-not-kernel which is for bugs we should be trying to get rid of ? | 15:33 |
| JFo | we don't but we should apw | 15:33 |
| JFo | got the bug number | 15:33 |
| JFo | ? | 15:33 |
| apw | JFo, kernel-not-kernel smacks of captain-my-captain and therefore appleas | 15:33 |
| JFo | heh | 15:33 |
| JFo | works for me | 15:34 |
| apw | bug #585747 | 15:34 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 585747 in linux (Ubuntu) "CPUFREQ: Per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up_threshold (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585747 | 15:34 |
| apw | its possible a patched kernel could tell us which process triggered the issue | 15:34 |
| apw | but till then we have little to go on, unless someone just knows | 15:34 |
| JFo | hmmm | 15:34 |
| apw | JFo, i am liking the kernel-<subsystem> kernel-need-review process, lets me nibble at it | 15:35 |
| JFo | yep, I think it will work well | 15:37 |
| JFo | you always have the same place to go for things and the list is dynamic | 15:37 |
| JFo | so there is minimal work to maintain it | 15:37 |
| apw | even though i am reviewing two categories, its just two quick clicks from the Tagging page | 15:37 |
| lag | apw: Do you know who wrote this script in the first place? | 15:40 |
| JFo | smb, do you know if we are pulling the ATI 10.5 drivers into Lucid as SRU? | 15:45 |
| JFo | I have a bug that it seems to fix several people in | 15:45 |
| JFo | bug 574848 | 15:45 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 574848 in linux (Ubuntu) "Suspend-Resume Regression in 10.04 on Dell Studio 1555 with Radeon HD 4500 (affects: 25) (dups: 1) (heat: 154)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574848 | 15:45 |
| amitk | mpoirier: regarding your email... | 15:46 |
| smb | JFo, Pulling in complete driver replacements sounds rather unlikely for SRU ... But I don't know for real | 15:47 |
| amitk | mpoirier: versatile is a different kernel flavour, nothing to do with omap | 15:47 |
| mpoirier | amitk: hello | 15:47 |
| mpoirier | amitk: ok will stay way - what is it for ? | 15:47 |
| manjo | JFo, HBD! | 15:47 |
| JFo | thanks manjo :) | 15:47 |
| amitk | mpoirier: as kernel for an arm qemu environment (used for test building, rootstrapping, etc.) | 15:48 |
| mpoirier | amitk: ok, will definitely stay away. | 15:48 |
| amitk | mpoirier: well, it is useful at time | 15:48 |
| mpoirier | amitk: how about udeb files ? | 15:48 |
| amitk | s | 15:48 |
| JFo | apw, the PPC port is no longer supported? or am i wrong? | 15:49 |
| amitk | mpoirier: use Bryan's newly posted instructions to the wiki regarding sbuild to build the udebs | 15:49 |
| JFo | I wonder if we need to change arsenal scripts to detect PPC bugs | 15:49 |
| amitk | (you can subscribe to wiki pages) | 15:49 |
| mpoirier | amitk: what is the link to Bryan's wiki ? | 15:51 |
| amitk | mpoirier: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenanceStarter?action=diff&rev1=49&rev2=50 | 15:53 |
| amitk | you should subscribe to all pages under KernelTeam | 15:53 |
| mpoirier | Ok, I'll read his page. | 15:54 |
| mpoirier | yes, I'll subscribe - thanks. | 15:54 |
| JFo | amitk, hopefully those pages will be moving over to Kernel/ soon | 15:54 |
| JFo | so they will become archived | 15:54 |
| amitk | JFo: right | 15:54 |
| amitk | once we can break up kernel building into smaller steps | 15:55 |
| bjf | mpoirier, to subscribe to all kernel wiki pages (even ones that don't exist yet) follow the "user preferences" link on any wiki.ubuntu.com page | 15:56 |
| mpoirier | bjf: very well thanks. | 15:57 |
| bjf | mpoirier, there is a "Subscribed wiki pages" box towards the bottom that will take regular expressions | 15:57 |
| bjf | mpoirier, I have ".*KernelTeam.*" as one of my regexes | 15:58 |
| mpoirier | bjf: let me look at it and I'll get back to you if need be. | 15:58 |
| apw | JFo, ppc is now a 'ports' kernel, which as i understand things means its a community effort | 16:03 |
| apw | that said we do maintain the config for it in lucid and later | 16:03 |
| JFo | I see | 16:03 |
| JFo | hmmm | 16:03 |
| ogasawara | JFo: will we have a bug call Monday? Just curious since it's a holiday for US. | 16:09 |
| JFo | ooh, good point | 16:09 |
| JFo | I'd rather not in that case :-P | 16:09 |
| ogasawara | JFo: heh, I'd rather sleep in :) but I can make the call if you have it. | 16:10 |
| JFo | nah, I want to sleep too | 16:10 |
| JFo | I think we should reschedule though | 16:10 |
| JFo | can we fit it into Tuesday? | 16:10 |
| ogasawara | JFo: I could do tues | 16:11 |
| JFo | cool | 16:11 |
| JFo | apw, cool with a Tuesday bug call? | 16:11 |
| JFo | err apw smb manjo et Al that is | 16:11 |
| JFo | cnd ^^ | 16:11 |
| manjo | JFo, yeah I am | 16:11 |
| JFo | cool | 16:11 |
| apw | JFo, monday is a holiday in the UK also | 16:13 |
| JFo | cool, Tues good for you? | 16:13 |
| * apw reminds you that the weekly #u-m meeting is then | 16:13 | |
| cnd | JFo: as long as it's not 10-11 am EDT | 16:35 |
| JFo | right, wasn't planning on munging the meeting time | 16:36 |
| JFo | is it ok to do it after? | 16:36 |
| cnd | JFo: sure | 16:41 |
| bencer | hi all, i was using custom-binary flavours to build a patched kernel with hardy, now i'm trying to upgrade this package to lucid but seems that custom-binary are not used anymore, do i have to build my own source package like linux-rt or linux-ec2 ? | 16:41 |
| smb | bencer, yes. If you look at the git repo and there at the ec2 branch this shows how this is relatively simply being done | 16:42 |
| bencer | smb: ubuntu linux packaging git repo ? | 16:43 |
| bencer | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git | 16:44 |
| smb | The lucid kernel repo gti://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git | 16:44 |
| smb | bencer, yep the same | 16:44 |
| smb | s/gti/git/ | 16:45 |
| bencer | smb: do you have any documentation on the workflow you follow ? or just the usual git packaging | 16:47 |
| smb | bencer, trying to find something... | 16:47 |
| smb | bencer, Hope this helps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/AbstractedDebian | 16:48 |
| smb | bencer, There might be slight deviations from when that was written, but hopefully still accurate enough | 16:49 |
| pgraner | apw: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/502433 | 16:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 502433 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Lucid: b43 fatal DMA error on Dell Mini 9 (affects: 23) (heat: 146)" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:58 |
| === kamal-away is now known as kamal | ||
| JFo | <-need food brb | 17:26 |
| * manjo lunch | 17:29 | |
| blue_anna | Can someone help me with the em28xx kernel module on lucid ? | 18:01 |
| blue_anna | the version of the module packaged in lucid is a few years old apparently, and only in the ones in the apst 3 years does it support my card | 18:02 |
| blue_anna | but the em28xx module doesn't compile on my system http://pastebin.ws/a020d9 -- I get those errors following instructions specifically for lucid | 18:02 |
| blue_anna | http://odracirls.blogspot.com/2010/04/compilacion-y-instalacion-drivers.html | 18:03 |
| blue_anna | I downloaded the em28xx source from launchpad just to be sure, and no, my card is not in there. only in the ones since 2007 | 18:03 |
| blue_anna | I'm thinking maybe I need to rebuild the kernel with i2c support modularized. but I don't entirely feel comfortable doing that -- its been agood while since I did a kernel compile by myself | 18:05 |
| blue_anna | and then I'm alsooo going to have to rebuild the kernel again in a few months when 10/10 comes around | 18:05 |
| bjf | mpoirier, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug | 18:10 |
| ogasawara | mpoirier, bjf: note that will file the bug against ubuntu as a whole, if you want it package specific, eg linux, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug | 18:11 |
| bjf | ogasawara, thanks | 18:12 |
| apw | ogasawara, i thought that page had the package box on it | 18:12 |
| blue_anna | are kernel modules discussed here? | 18:12 |
| bjf | apw, it does eventually ask which package to file against | 18:12 |
| blue_anna | or just the monolithic part of the kernel | 18:13 |
| ogasawara | bjf, apw: yah, I think it eventually asks, but most don't know so don't put anything and it gets lost in the black hole of bugs filed against ubuntu | 18:13 |
| pgraner | blue_anna: all matters kernel are discussed here | 18:13 |
| apw | ogasawara, heh yeah i bet | 18:13 |
| * BenC wonders if he will be accepted for ubuntu-kernel-team membership | 18:14 | |
| ogasawara | BenC: heh, you're not already a member? | 18:14 |
| BenC | ogasawara: I was surprised as well :) | 18:14 |
| tgardner | BenCI'll bet it expired | 18:14 |
| pgraner | BenC: ask tgardner he can do it | 18:15 |
| BenC | probably, I only barely saw the notice of my ubuntu-core-dev membership about to expire | 18:15 |
| blue_anna | pgraner: do you think you could help me with my question just a minute ago? I'm in need of some help with it from someone who has some familiarity with the ubuntu kernel in 10.04 | 18:15 |
| ogasawara | blue_anna: just ask what you're wanting, if someone knows the answer they'll speak up | 18:16 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: its there in the scroll back | 18:16 |
| * ogasawara scrolls back | 18:16 | |
| pgraner | ogasawara: we seem to have an old em28xx module | 18:16 |
| BenC | blue_anna: just comment out the line in that file that sets i2c_driver.id | 18:16 |
| BenC | should work | 18:17 |
| BenC | blue_anna: line 728 in em28xx_i2c.c | 18:17 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: what did we decide with the em28xx module for M? is it getting updated? | 18:17 |
| ogasawara | pgraner: I don't think we discussed it so I'd assume it's not getting updated | 18:18 |
| * pgraner was nodding off in ogasawara's riveting kernel delta session | 18:18 | |
| BenC | blue_anna: and setting LANG=C would go a long way to getting help from en speaking ppl :) | 18:18 |
| pgraner | ogasawara: we might need to look if its indeed that old | 18:18 |
| bjf | ogasawara, pgraner looks like we have what is currently upstream | 18:19 |
| blue_anna | BenC: sorry :P what in that make output wasn't in english anyway ? | 18:19 |
| pgraner | bjf: then whats blue_anna talking about then? | 18:19 |
| BenC | make[1]: se ingresa al directorio `/home/roberto/Código/em28xx-new.de_launchpad/em28xx-new' | 18:19 |
| bjf | pgraner, this driver seems to have a sordid past, disagreements between maintainers | 18:19 |
| BenC | blue_anna: it didn't hurt in this case, but just a good note | 18:19 |
| blue_anna | BenC: ooh ..ok -- I don't even see the make steppings output anymore, my mind just skips straight to the compiler :) | 18:20 |
| BenC | tgardner: thanks | 18:20 |
| bjf | pgraner, not sure what version blue_anna is trying to get to work or where they got it from | 18:20 |
| tgardner | BenC: np | 18:20 |
| blue_anna | BenC: if (client->driver->id == I2C_DRIVERID_TUNER && dev->has_inttuner == 1) { -- that's line 728 | 18:21 |
| BenC | blue_anna: if (dev->has_inttuner == 1) { | 18:21 |
| BenC | blue_anna: no guarantee, but try that | 18:22 |
| blue_anna | bjf: I have both versions on my system in source right now .. em28xx from launchpad, that's the current version , you know? .. that works just fine | 18:22 |
| blue_anna | bjf: and em28xx-new, from 2007 | 18:22 |
| blue_anna | bjf: that's the version that supports my card | 18:22 |
| BenC | blue_anna: id may be embedded elsewhere, so that might not work correctly | 18:22 |
| bjf | blue_anna, i'll look at launchpad | 18:23 |
| blue_anna | it really trips me out that the instructions in em28xx-new go out of their way to say that this works for lucid, and it doesnt :) | 18:23 |
| BenC | if em28xx-new still has problems with the i2c_device.id change, then it's not really maintained either | 18:23 |
| blue_anna | bjf: well you can look there but that's not where there is an issue -- here let me get you the grep you'll need | 18:23 |
| BenC | that change in the i2c subsystem is years old | 18:24 |
| bjf | blue_anna, no, i want to look at the one in LP, you are saying the one we carry is very old | 18:24 |
| blue_anna | bjf: yeah | 18:25 |
| blue_anna | bjf: here, this is the USB_DEVICE line that was added in 2007: { USB_DEVICE(0x1d2c, 0x1012), .driver_info = EM2883_BOARD_EQUINUX_TUBESTICK_ATSC } | 18:26 |
| bjf | blue_anna, do you have a link to the one in launchpad? | 18:26 |
| blue_anna | thats in em28xx-cards.c | 18:26 |
| BenC | blue_anna: if all you need is a new device line, I suggest just adding that to the current driver...maybe that will work | 18:26 |
| pgraner | bjf: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35049921/em28xx-new.tar.gz | 18:27 |
| blue_anna | BenC: I tried, that's not defined in the .h either so I'd have to hack all the functionality into the driver | 18:27 |
| bjf | pgraner, thanks | 18:28 |
| blue_anna | bjf: hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb I think should work | 18:28 |
| blue_anna | I just canned my history and the only em28xx I have from launchpad is the em28xx-new that doesnt compile: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35049921/em28xx-new.tar.gz | 18:29 |
| blue_anna | so I must have clsoed my term before that | 18:29 |
| blue_anna | ** scanned | 18:29 |
| blue_anna | I *think* the problem with the em28xx not compiling is because i2c-core is not a module in 10.04 | 18:30 |
| blue_anna | it's monolithic | 18:30 |
| BenC | blue_anna: no, that's not the problem | 18:31 |
| BenC | blue_anna: I just looked at the source, make the change that I suggested and it should work | 18:31 |
| bjf | blue_anna, the reason lucid is "older" is because none of that code has made it upstream | 18:31 |
| bjf | blue_anna, i suggest trying what BenC is telling you | 18:31 |
| blue_anna | bjf: I just found a bug about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/489353 | 18:32 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 489353 in linux (Ubuntu) "em28xx-new should be added to repository (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 18:32 |
| blue_anna | I didnt know I wasn't the only one :) I?ve been trying to get help on ubuntu forums and #ubuntu for the past month :P | 18:32 |
| blue_anna | I'll consider it a crash course in ubuntu from the dev-side :) | 18:33 |
| BenC | blue_anna: after I made that change, the driver(s) compiled just fine | 18:33 |
| BenC | with no errors in missing symbols, so it should load fine as well | 18:33 |
| blue_anna | BenC: I'll try it :) thank you | 18:34 |
| blue_anna | I'm just worried that that will change the functionality quite a lot .. but still, it's completely worth it to try | 18:34 |
| vanhoof | JFo: happy birthday :) | 18:34 |
| JFo | thanks vanhoof :) | 18:35 |
| JFo | I feel old | 18:35 |
| BenC | blue_anna: it does not change it at all for you, since your device doesn't define has_inttuner, so that whole if statement is a no-op anyway | 18:35 |
| vanhoof | JFo: another year wiser ;) | 18:36 |
| JFo | I need more wisdom than one year alone could impart :) | 18:36 |
| blue_anna | BenC: :) lolo , that works for me | 18:36 |
| blue_anna | BenC: it compiles! and loads, but it is misbehaving when I plug in the usb device: http://pastebin.ws/ahv11z | 18:38 |
| blue_anna | BenC: and you were right about what you said before so that's a different problem in the driver :P | 18:39 |
| BenC | blue_anna: you have some mix-matched modules being loaded | 18:39 |
| BenC | blue_anna: make sure to install all the drivers from your build (./build.sh install) | 18:39 |
| blue_anna | it did | 18:40 |
| BenC | I would reboot then | 18:40 |
| blue_anna | sudo make install said "running ./build.sh install" | 18:40 |
| BenC | or manually unload all the modules | 18:40 |
| blue_anna | ooo yeah | 18:40 |
| blue_anna | good idea | 18:40 |
| blue_anna | :) lol -- thank BenC, wish me luck | 18:40 |
| * BenC holds his breath | 18:40 | |
| BenC | #FIXME Why not just do make install here? | 18:43 |
| BenC | the build script makes a good point... | 18:43 |
| apw | heh ... don't you just love those sorts of comments | 18:44 |
| BenC | and I feel sorry for blue_anna because that build.sh install just rm -rf'd a lot of stock modules from his system...hopefully nothing important | 18:45 |
| BenC | s/his/their/ | 18:45 |
| apw | real name was roberto ... | 18:45 |
| blue_anna | BenC: same errors on boot :S | 18:46 |
| BenC | blue_anna: find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -name em28xx\* | 18:47 |
| blue_anna | can you explain to me your thinking on the conflicts? I want to understand why you thought that | 18:47 |
| blue_anna | ok, just a sec | 18:47 |
| BenC | blue_anna: it said it in your pastebin "disagrees about symbols" | 18:47 |
| BenC | blue_anna: have you built new videodev modules on your system (v4l2/video4linux2)? | 18:50 |
| blue_anna | BenC: http://pastebin.ws/8eprrl | 18:50 |
| BenC | blue_anna: or do you have any weird header conflicts? | 18:50 |
| blue_anna | BenC: the normal em28xx would load without these issues, just the nem28xx-new that is having troubles | 18:51 |
| BenC | blue_anna: I know, but what it seems to show is that the videodev modules on your system do not agree with the headers that em28xx-new was compiled against | 18:51 |
| blue_anna | I don't know that I built the v4l2 stuff, you can see in the output I do have some v4l loaded, which maybe is the conflict ? | 18:51 |
| BenC | v4l has to be loaded since em28xx uses it | 18:52 |
| blue_anna | my pastebin has my lsmod grepped to v4l | 18:52 |
| blue_anna | there is both (??) v4l and v4l2 related modules loaded | 18:52 |
| BenC | blue_anna: videodev is what you want to grep for | 18:53 |
| blue_anna | thanks, I'll grep t | 18:53 |
| blue_anna | *it | 18:53 |
| BenC | blue_anna: and more importantly can you pastebin "ls -lR /lib/modules/`uname -r`/" | 18:53 |
| blue_anna | that's a lot of output | 18:54 |
| blue_anna | waiting for my webbrowsser to recover from the paste :) | 18:55 |
| blue_anna | the only other videodev that loaded is videodev itself | 18:55 |
| BenC | right, it appears to not match your kernel headers | 18:55 |
| blue_anna | man that smashed firefox :P | 18:56 |
| blue_anna | still at 100%cpu | 18:56 |
| blue_anna | let me try oepra, it's less buggy | 18:57 |
| BenC | hehe, I guess you could just do "ls -lR /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ | grep video" | 18:58 |
| BenC | might be a bit easier | 18:58 |
| blue_anna | ok :) | 18:58 |
| blue_anna | http://pastebin.ws/5c08oc | 18:59 |
| BenC | yeah, you definitely screwed up your system | 19:00 |
| BenC | rm -rf /lib/modules/`uname -r`/empia | 19:00 |
| blue_anna | what do you mean? | 19:00 |
| blue_anna | ok | 19:00 |
| blue_anna | htat's scary but ok | 19:00 |
| BenC | rm -rf /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media | 19:00 |
| BenC | blue_anna: you've installed a new version of v4l, which is breaking your system | 19:01 |
| blue_anna | that's more scary .. I'm going to move that instead | 19:01 |
| blue_anna | ok | 19:01 |
| BenC | apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.32-21-powerpc64-smp | 19:01 |
| BenC | then rebuild and install em28xx-new | 19:01 |
| blue_anna | ok, just a minute | 19:02 |
| BenC | blue_anna: we could have saved a ton of time if you had told me you did that | 19:02 |
| blue_anna | sorry, .. | 19:02 |
| blue_anna | .. by my mind this hasnt been a ton of time, but I told you I've been working on this for a month so, to me it would take a few days before we got there :P | 19:03 |
| BenC | well, by my time, we spent nearly 30 minutes tracking down a problematic symbol mis-match, and that's about 50% of the time I've spent helping you :) | 19:04 |
| blue_anna | I am still getting a ton of warnings | 19:04 |
| blue_anna | but it built | 19:04 |
| BenC | modprobe -r videodev | 19:04 |
| BenC | then insert your usb device | 19:05 |
| blue_anna | çWOOOHOO! | 19:05 |
| blue_anna | well it loaded, and it .. I'm getting messages like the device is being attached to the driver but MeTV didnt find it .. let me post you the log | 19:06 |
| blue_anna | BenC: just tell me if the driver looks like it is working? I'll take on MeTv myself if it is :) | 19:07 |
| blue_anna | http://pastebin.ws/g8t6fw | 19:07 |
| BenC | blue_anna: looks good to me | 19:08 |
| blue_anna | BenC: thank you that's the first time in a month I made progress .. and it happened all at once :) | 19:08 |
| BenC | blue_anna: I'd try some basic v4l apps to see if you can get it working there before going to a specialized program | 19:08 |
| BenC | blue_anna: vlc/mplayer perhaps | 19:08 |
| BenC | blue_anna: glad I could help | 19:08 |
| blue_anna | is there any general way that a kernel module finds the right firmware file to load? | 20:37 |
| tgardner | blue_anna, request_firmware() looks first in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`, then in /lib/firmware | 20:38 |
| blue_anna | tgardner: thanks | 20:39 |
| tgardner | blue_anna, its a function of /lib/udev/firmware_helper | 20:40 |
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| === pgraner is now known as pgraner-afk | ||
| blue_anna | can anyone tell me what good em28xx-dvb is in here: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35049921/em28xx-new.tar.gz | 22:40 |
| blue_anna | it looks like the dvb extension god garbled in this version of the source, its just a bunch of attributes now | 22:41 |
| blue_anna | *got | 22:44 |
| stenten | If I'm trying to triage someone's Kernel Oops, should I just tell them to install linux-crashdump and be done with it? | 23:33 |
| stenten | There's all kinds of crazy oopses in kern.log, but they're all different and I'm not sure which one is responsible for the crash. | 23:34 |
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