[02:53] <humphreybc> rickspencer3: Rick, did you talk to Kevin?
[07:56] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk:  I got a relpy from #ubuntu-motu <ubuntujenkins> hello I am thinking about the ubuntu manual team program which we would like to include in 10.10
 sorry hit enter too early. But not all the translations would be finished by release day, how hard is it to get stuff in universe after release?<ScottK> ubuntujenkins: Generally it's not done.
[11:48] <ubuntujenkins> ChrisWoollard: ping
[11:49] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[11:49] <ChrisWoollard> ubuntujenkins: pong
[11:49] <ubuntujenkins> with bug #586127, I thionk mutliverse enabled by default depens on which location you are instaiiling it as
[11:49] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 586127 in ubuntu-manual "multiverse enabled by default" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586127
[11:50] <ubuntujenkins> I think for the uk, usa australia multivers is enables
[11:50] <ChrisWoollard> I haven't updated anything yet, just tested myself.
[11:50] <ChrisWoollard> in the uk
[11:51] <ChrisWoollard> That makes things tricky
[11:51] <ubuntujenkins> It might be work installing in a vm and trying other countries. when you choose your location. I think we left multivese not being disabled in the manual for that reason
[11:52] <ChrisWoollard> I will try that. It was a vm I was testing with anyway.
[11:53] <ubuntujenkins> cool just saw it and thought i would mention it, just asking in a larger channel to see if anyone else knows
[11:57] <ubuntujenkins> !multiverse
[11:57] <manualbot> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[12:03] <ChrisWoollard> that inplies that multiverse is on by defaut
[12:05] <ChrisWoollard> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[12:05] <ChrisWoollard> gives the answer
[12:05] <ChrisWoollard> Note: In Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty), the main, universe, restricted and multiverse repositories are enabled by default.
[12:06] <ChrisWoollard> I presume that it means 9.04 and above
[12:06] <popey> it does
[12:39] <humphreybc> once again
[12:39] <humphreybc> popey swoops in
[12:39] <humphreybc> randomly.
[12:40] <ubuntujenkins> hey humphreybc, I rasied an issue with kevin about our program we want in multiverse and would like to know your thoughts. I will just find the log
[12:41] <humphreybc> what program? quickshot?
[12:41] <ubuntujenkins> nope the manual program, to get the pdf in maveric log here at the end http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/27/%23ubuntu-manual.txt
[12:42] <humphreybc> oh right
[12:42] <humphreybc> i'll have a read
[12:42] <ubuntujenkins> or http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/27/%23ubuntu-manual.html for coulors
[12:42] <humphreybc> where do you start talking?
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> 22.26
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> its very near the end
[12:44] <humphreybc> right
[12:44] <humphreybc> yes I see the dilemma
[12:45] <ubuntujenkins> I asked in #ubuntu-motu and getting stuff in after release is "ubuntujenkins: Generally it's not done."
[12:45] <humphreybc> after release for Lucid?
[12:45] <humphreybc> oh right
[12:45] <ubuntujenkins> no maverick
[12:45] <humphreybc> coz our manual will be out after release
[12:45] <humphreybc> bah don't worry about that
[12:45] <humphreybc> we'll sort something out
[12:46] <humphreybc> I would probably put it in the home directory, which would be okay in most cases except for when you want to have it across large deployments like schools with multiple users.
[12:46] <humphreybc> maybe we could have a checkbox that says something like "Install for all users?"
[12:46] <humphreybc> if that's checked, it goes in the usr/share or wherever and you get prompted for sudo. if not, then just into home directory.
[12:47] <humphreybc> but by default we should probably avoid prompting them for their password, for what's ultimately just downloading a file
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> hmm, I now think the best way to do it is to package each language invdiually and a seperate  program that opens the correct language one depending on what you are logged in as. If it goes in home it woll have to be .ubuntu-manual  not ubuntu-manual. The check box idea may work
[12:47] <humphreybc> I'll ask mpt when I see him next
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> I would like a good clean solution
[12:47] <humphreybc> Packaging each language is just another thing for us to do
[12:48] <humphreybc> It'd be better to pull it from the same source as if they were to get it from our site
[12:48] <humphreybc> one less place to update
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> packageing each one is easy tbh
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> I see your point
[12:48] <humphreybc> yeah but if you get hit by a bus that means someone else has to figure it out :P
[12:49] <humphreybc> I think doing a wget for them would be the easiest, and I'll talk to mpt about defaults and checkboxes
[12:49] <humphreybc> he should be on IRC now, but he's not. Hmm.
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> I will try and document my stuff this summer that wasy we are covered for me being hit by a bus :P
[12:50] <humphreybc> haha
[12:50] <humphreybc> oh, he is online
[12:51] <humphreybc> serves me right for not scrolling down to "m" in my buddy list
[12:51] <humphreybc> d'oh
[12:52] <popey> * popey is now known as mpopey
[12:52] <humphreybc> ha. ha. ha.
[12:52] <humphreybc> also, ubuntujenkins, flan, i'm going to pick your brains for the next 6 months while I work on this: https://code.launchpad.net/~humphreybc/about-ubuntu/about-ubuntu
[12:53] <ubuntujenkins> what is it?
[12:53] <humphreybc> a replacement for the current "About Ubuntu" window
[12:54] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool. What! the current "about ubuntu" gives me yelp
[12:54]  * popey blames humphreybc because he is now listening to MGMT
[12:54] <ubuntujenkins> mgmt rule
[12:54] <humphreybc> popey: hahaha!
[12:55] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: i know! haha
[12:55] <ubuntujenkins> I like your idea it should tell you system spec, os version numbers etc.
[12:55] <humphreybc> yeah, i have some other cool ideas for it too
[12:56] <humphreybc> it's going to tie in with an interactive "tutorial" type thing to learn your new os
[12:56] <humphreybc> but that's for the dx team to work on, Ivanka and I are just going to write up specs and do some mockups :)
[12:56] <ubuntujenkins> if you find a quicker way of working out someones hardware than lshw please let me know. Its one of the slowest parts of quickshot. I need a good way to work out somones graphics driver
[12:57] <humphreybc> sure thing
[12:57] <ubuntujenkins> I need to look into the system display chnage thing
[12:57] <ubuntujenkins> do you know anyone who is a motu humphreybc ?
[12:58] <humphreybc> maybe, i'm not sure. popey will for sure.
[12:58] <humphreybc> just ask rick spencer :)
[12:58] <popey> know what?
[12:58] <humphreybc> a motu
[12:58] <popey> for what?
[12:59] <humphreybc> Luke wants to pester them and ask questions about packaging stuff in the multiverse
[12:59] <popey> why multiverse and not universe?
[12:59] <ubuntujenkins> the other problem is there is a long que to get stuff in we need to get it approved quickly . I plan to have a beta in 26 days
[12:59] <humphreybc> popey: dunno, either or I guess
[12:59] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[12:59] <humphreybc> universe probably
[13:00] <popey> multiverse is only used for stuff which is questionable
[13:00] <ubuntujenkins> ben means universe. I know what to do it s how to get it approved wuicker
[13:00] <popey> like dodgy codecs
[13:00] <ubuntujenkins> *quicker
[13:00] <popey> ask in #ubuntu-motu
[13:00] <popey> is the easiest way
[13:00] <popey> well, the easiest is speak to dholbach or james_w :)
[13:00] <humphreybc> don't worry about getting it into the universe in time, we'll figure that out closer to the time
[13:00] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks popey
[13:01] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: are you at the meeting on monday?
[13:01] <humphreybc> which meeting is this?
[13:01] <ubuntujenkins> docs/manual/learning meeting
[13:01] <humphreybc> no, it's at 4am here
[13:01] <ubuntujenkins> ok thought you may stay up :)
[13:03] <ubuntujenkins> what else are you think to include in the about widow humphreybc ?
[13:03] <humphreybc> nah
[13:03] <humphreybc> not sure yet, still thinking of fun stuff
[13:03] <humphreybc> maybe a lighthearted game of ping pong between Stephen Fry and Steve Jobs
[13:03] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[13:03] <humphreybc> or perhaps a short, 10 second clip of the reaction when Jack Black and Jack White come face to face
[13:04] <ubuntujenkins> hehe, have you got any exams?
[13:04] <humphreybc> yeah, in a couple of weeks
[13:05] <ubuntujenkins> cool, I finish 15/6/2010 I would like to have a skype with you and kevin after then if we are not all busy. discuss the program etc
[13:06] <humphreybc> sure thang
[13:06] <humphreybc> thaaaaaaaaaang
[13:06] <ubuntujenkins> I will try and mail some sketches to you this week. I got bored in lectures so did some very rough ones
[13:08] <humphreybc> mintbum
[13:09] <humphreybc> anyone remember the name of that opportunistic developers IRC room that Jono started?
[13:09] <ubuntujenkins> yep I am in it #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:09] <humphreybc> danke
[13:10] <ubuntujenkins> they are very helpful but can take a while to get back to you, so don't ask stuff if your about to go to bed.
[13:11] <humphreybc> heh
[13:12]  * ubuntujenkins hopes to meet popey at oggcamp next year
[13:12] <popey> heh
[13:12] <popey> where do you live in the uk ubuntujenkins ?
[13:13] <ubuntujenkins> I am in loughborough for a few more weeks but then back to banbury
[13:13] <ubuntujenkins> I wanted to come to the london museum trip but tickets were expensive for the train
[13:14] <popey> yeah, i can imagine
[13:14] <popey> damnit I need a mini displayport to DVI adapter
[13:14] <popey> 12 quid from amazon
[13:14] <popey> i want one _now_
[13:14]  * popey decides to be fickle and not want one
[13:14] <ubuntujenkins> thats your fault for having a mac :P
[13:14] <popey> well, yes
[13:15] <popey> is there a kindle version of the ubuntu manual?
[13:15] <humphreybc> a kindle version?
[13:15] <humphreybc> a KINDLE version?
[13:16] <popey> ya
[13:16] <popey> y'know the manual being a _book_
[13:16] <humphreybc> what do you think we are, trying to mass distribute it to everyone who can afford kindles?! :P
[13:16] <popey> for reading on an _e_ book reader :)
[13:16] <humphreybc> no, there isn't. I just thought kindles read bog standard PDFs
[13:16] <popey> they can
[13:16] <humphreybc> he. Loughborough. Banbury.
[13:16] <humphreybc> what hilarious names
[13:16]  * popey wonders if humphreybc can pronounce Loughborough
[13:17] <popey> Luff-bruh
[13:17] <popey> or Luff-buruh
[13:17] <ubuntujenkins> lufbra is the nest way
[13:17] <humphreybc> They sound like something off Monty Python. "Mr Banbury, could you please fetch a cup of tea for my lady." "I most certainly will not you overwhelmingly pretentious old git!"
[13:18]  * ubuntujenkins goes back to revision
[13:18] <popey> the problem with pdf on kindle is you cant resize text
[13:18] <humphreybc> zoom?
[13:18] <popey> that too
[13:18] <humphreybc> that's a problem?
[13:18] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200140600
[13:18] <popey> yes
[13:18] <popey> basically need a .mobi file
[13:18] <humphreybc> that's most unfortunate
[13:18]  * popey will generate one
[13:18]  * popey gets the pdf
[13:23] <popey> humphreybc: is there an image i can use as the cover for the pdf?
[13:23] <humphreybc> let me have a look in the branch
[13:23] <humphreybc> thorwil's probably having a late morning snack.
[13:24] <humphreybc> I can give you an SVG
[13:24] <popey> I'll use the first page, no worries
[13:25] <humphreybc> okay
[13:25] <popey> hmm
[13:25] <popey> looks like arse on my machine (windows)
[13:25] <humphreybc> thorwil: poke
[13:25] <popey> don't suppose youc ould screencrab the first page could you?
[13:25] <humphreybc> I'll screengrab the title page for you
[13:25] <humphreybc> even better!
[13:25] <thorwil> hmm?
[13:25] <humphreybc> or you could just ask thorwil for a png of it
[13:26] <popey> bah, stupid software crashing
[13:26] <popey> will have to play with this later
[13:27] <thorwil> first edition title page, english, letter format?
[13:27] <popey> dont worry for now
[13:27] <thorwil> ok
[13:27] <humphreybc> probably A4
[13:40] <humphreybc> daker: hey, how's it going?
[13:40] <humphreybc> I have a question for ye
[13:40] <humphreybc> how easy is it for us to change the website template
[13:40] <humphreybc> say, move to a new design
[13:41] <daker> not very hard :)
[13:41] <humphreybc> brillo
[13:41] <humphreybc> if I did a new design in the next couple of weeks, you wouldn't mind changing it?
[13:41] <humphreybc> I think the current one is a bit too restrictive
[13:42] <humphreybc> and I want to use more of the new Ubuntu pallete
[13:42] <daker> Great i can change it :)
[13:42] <humphreybc> yay! you're the best :D
[13:43] <daker> the new ubuntu website is looking great
[13:45] <humphreybc> yeah, the design is pretty
[13:45] <humphreybc> the implementation is pretty crap though, they out-sourced it to a drupal company
[13:50] <daker> :D
[14:05] <daker> humphreybc, u should redesign pages & 404
[14:05] <humphreybc> yeah i'll do lots of pages for ya this time
[14:06] <daker> u should also separate things (header, content & footer)
[14:07] <humphreybc> you want me to slice it up for you?
[14:07] <daker> the psd should be very clean
[14:07] <humphreybc> righto. I recently discovered layer folders
[14:07] <humphreybc> so yeah, it will be :)
[14:08] <daker> no i will slice it
[15:24] <semioticrobotic> anyone know how I can modify my nickserv registration settings?
[15:25] <popey> semioticrobotic: ask in #freenode
[15:25] <semioticrobotic> thanks popey.  will do.
[15:26] <daker> semioticrobotic, type " /msg NickServ help "
[15:30] <semioticrobotic> and just like that, it's done.  thanks to popey and darker
[15:31] <daker> you are welcome
[19:34] <godbyk> popey, humphreybc: the whole ebook thing is on my radar; I've just been busy with more pressing matters. :)
[19:36] <ubuntujenkins>  hey godbyk
[19:36] <godbyk> hey, ubuntujenkins
[19:36] <ubuntujenkins> how are you?
[19:36] <godbyk> not too bad.  keeping rather busy.
[19:36] <godbyk> how about you?
[19:37] <ubuntujenkins> busy with revision. Can't wait to get started on quickshot and the manual program
[19:37] <godbyk> I hear ya there.
[19:37] <godbyk> I've been trying to help with the editing a bit here and there. Mostly arguing about bug reports that are invalid. :)
[19:38] <godbyk> I have some work to do for the translations, too.
[19:38] <godbyk> brb. gonna find something for lunch.
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> I have not read most of the bug reports, not very good at grammar etc
[19:42] <ubuntujenkins> hey daker
[19:42] <daker> hey ubuntujenkins :)
[19:48] <godbyk> back with food now.
[19:48] <godbyk> hey, daker. how are you?
[19:49] <daker> godbyk, where is my part of food ?
[19:50] <godbyk> it's right here. you just have to come pick it up! :)
[19:50] <daker> hhhhhh
[19:51]  * dutchie has finished school and passed his driving test
[19:51] <dutchie> now I have all the time in the world to devote to the UMP!
[19:53] <godbyk> awesome!
[19:53] <dutchie> apart from when I have exams :(
[19:53] <ubuntujenkins> yey for passing your driving test dutchie
[19:53]  * ubuntujenkins also has exams
[19:53] <dutchie> only 2 minors, on my first attempt
[19:54] <dutchie> quite pleased with that
[19:54] <godbyk> cool.
[19:54] <daker> godbyk, <humphreybc> if I did a new design in the next couple of weeks, you wouldn't mind changing it?
 I think the current one is a bit too restrictive
 and I want to use more of the new Ubuntu pallete
[19:54] <godbyk> I didn't have to drive for mine; just take the written exam.  (passed it the first time, though.)
[19:54] <ubuntujenkins> thats good :)
[19:54] <ubuntujenkins> to dutchie ^
[19:54] <dutchie> godbyk: you don't have to do a practical driving test in the US?
[19:55] <godbyk> I think it may be a state-by-state thing.  In Iowa, they have a lottery drawing each month.  And if the number they pull out is the day you were born, then you have to drive.  Kind of a spot-check.
[19:55] <dutchie> that seems very silly to me
[19:55] <ubuntujenkins> and me
[19:55] <godbyk> Also, your driving instructor can require that you take the practical driving test before you get your license, too.
[19:56] <dutchie> so they do check you've actually had lessons?
[19:56] <godbyk> Well, we already had to take a course on driving, which involved lots of driving around with an instructor.
[19:56] <godbyk> Oh, yes.
[19:56] <godbyk> You have to have had lessons first.
[19:56] <dutchie> that's alright then
[19:57] <godbyk> It seems to work fairly well.
[19:57] <dutchie> seemed initially like you could just turn up, do the theory test, and leave with a driving licence never having driven a car
[19:57] <dutchie> which would be insane
[19:57] <dutchie> my inbox has got utterly out of hand :(
[19:58] <godbyk> Well, there's a bit more to it.
[19:58] <godbyk> So first, you have to get a driving permit.
[19:58] <godbyk> This allows you to drive if an adult is sitting next to you in the car (and you're restricted to driving during daylight hours or something, too).
[19:59] <godbyk> Then you take the driving course where you learn the rules of the road, drive around with the instructor, etc., etc.
[19:59] <godbyk> Once you've successfully passed the driving course, you can take the exam.
[20:00] <godbyk> You may have to drive with someone as part of your exam if you're number was pulled that month or if your instructor required it.
[20:00] <godbyk> If you pass both the written exam and the practical driving test, then you get your license.
[20:00] <godbyk> Then you have to renew your license every so often.
[20:00] <dutchie> ah
[20:00] <godbyk> (If you're late renewing your license, you have to take the written exam and may have to drive, too.)
[20:01] <godbyk> But all of that is for the state of Iowa.  It varies from state to state.
[20:01] <dutchie> over here, you apply for a provisional licence, which lets you drive if a licence holder with you (except not on motorways)
[20:01] <dutchie> you then have to take a theory test, which you have to pass before taking a practical test
[20:01] <dutchie> if you pass that, you get a full licence
[20:02] <dutchie> i don't think you have to renew it until you're about 65 or something
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> sound right to me
[20:03] <dutchie> you have to apply for a new photocard every 10 years or so iirc
[20:03] <ubuntujenkins> o yea so you do
[20:03] <godbyk> looks like mine lasts 5 years.
[20:04] <dutchie> i would look at the expiry date on mine, but the examiner took it off me to replace with a nice pink one :)
[20:35] <thorwil> hmm. http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0137081308/
[20:36] <Zeike> I've never heard of that before
[20:44] <popey> godbyk: cool