=== zah3r is now known as ZAHER [00:24] Im having issues installing mysql ndb cluster on lucid [00:24] anyone have similiar issues? I have seen bug reports [00:38] elb0w: what issues are you having? [00:38] installing 5.1 [00:38] It was complaining [00:38] Im taking over from someone else though [00:38] ill let you know when I hit it, thanks [01:30] elb0w, are you still there? [01:31] I'm having trouble with mysql (the normal server) too, only thing I've found was: http://goo.gl/wiEA [01:33] did it work for u? [01:40] haven't tried [01:41] I can't mess up with the scripts [01:41] agains't company policies [01:41] i just got it to run somehow [01:56] mathiaz: now i am [02:42] www.motherless.com === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [03:21] New bug: #586647 in bind9 (main) "package libisc60 1:9.7.0.dfsg.P1-1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586647 [03:28] Any clue as to why I get SIOCADDRT: No such process when trying to set a static route? [03:38] <|corpse|> im trying to install ubuntu server, right now when i load i get a trace all then it drops me to a shell. Is there anything i can do to get the install running from this shell? the shell says (initramfs) [03:39] get out while u can [03:39] just installed ubuntu server over debian [03:39] have had more issues getting things running [03:39] that i have ever wanted [03:39] took 2hrs to get mysql ndb to work properly [03:39] <|corpse|> i have been working on this for over a week now [03:39] <|corpse|> the people in here are so sick of me that they dont even talk to me anymore =P [03:42] <|corpse|> do you like debian? im just trying to set up a file server and mabey a webhost/mail host but im pretty new to linux so i was trying to stick with what i know [03:48] The Ubuntu Server installer uses the same installer as Debian. [04:09] Well, *almost* the same ;-) [04:59] It's the same code base. There are differences. [05:37] hello chaps. how do I install a specific version of PHP5? specifically I want 5.2 and not 5.3 ... would it still be in the repos? [05:38] benkant: in general, you can't. [05:39] The Right Thing is to hit your webdevs with a LART until they learn to write forward-compatible code [05:40] forward compatible? that's a bit rich! [05:42] benkant: On Ubuntu, run either Hardy, Jaunty, or Karmic. With Lucid it'll be 5.3. [05:42] Well, the normal implication of a new version x.y+1.0 is that it's backwards-compatible but not forwards-compatible, and thus systems targeted at x.y.z will Just Work with x.y+1.0 [05:43] Maybe the PHP maintainers don't follow that scheme, or they just aren't very good at it. [05:43] shut up [05:46] that was an interesting reaction [05:46] most of the problems with php 5.3 lately are due to it spitting warnings on using deprecated functions [05:47] something fairly easily fixed in the appropriate php.ini [05:48] I'm glad I didn't make the comment that I was thinking about supporting one version of php being insane enough. [05:52] some people are still trying to transition from php 4, I think [05:55] What happened here was that the PHP dev said "I don't know if this will work on PHP5" and management decided it would be cheaper to have me try to get PHP4 running on Etch than to get the app running on PHP5 [05:56] ...or was it mysql? Yeah, I think mysql, not php. [05:58] changing the object model from php 4 to 5 did make a few basement coders confused [05:59] PHP isn't really a language you look to for a good example of sanity, though [06:00] ajmitch: heh, "basement coders" [06:01] The idiom I usually use is "crack monkeys" [06:10] * ScottK uses php developer [06:18] Quick question. Does the server have a graphical gui or? [06:18] Well, they're not the only ones [06:18] "You can write Fortran in any language" [06:19] SirMoo: it does not. You can install one; this is discouraged. [06:19] Certainly. It's also possible to write readable Perl, but certain languages tend to encourage certain things. [06:21] Heh. Canonical sure is a Python shop ;-P [06:26] I want to like lua, but these days it's hard for me to get enthusiastic about new languages === Quack is now known as SirMoo [07:06] ScottK: I was referring to a certain type of PHP developer, the ones that proliferate those mountains of bad cargo cult code out there [07:06] since there are certainly a number of php developers who can avoid the common php pitfalls [07:15] Right, I'm not saying PHP can't be well done. [07:50] SpamapS: around? [07:51] ttx: I am. goodmorning [07:52] SpamapS: I didn't see the meeting minutes yet [07:52] SpamapS: was wondering if you wree blocked on anything [07:52] (or if I missed them somehow) [07:52] ttx: I sent them to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-server .. thought maybe the list was set not to send people their own posts. Hmm. [07:53] * ttx checks [07:53] ttx: and I've been waiting for Mathias to enable my access on the blog. [07:53] ttx: I see them in my sent items.. [07:54] SpamapS: can't see it https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-May/thread.html [07:54] SpamapS: I had a few emails eaten by the list as well [07:55] weird.. ok I'll re-send [07:55] SpamapS: one time I had to have mathiaz send the notes for me, becaus ethey would constantly (and silently) reject my post [07:56] I've thinking about some agressive spam countermeasure [07:56] s/I've/I was/ [07:57] SpamapS: if it's not there by your morning, go through mathiaz to get them sent :) [07:58] SpamapS: for ubuntu-devel, it should go through moderation. But ubuntu-server is not moderated [07:59] ttx: I needed to re-register my subscription on ubuntu-server with my canonical email anyway [08:04] ttx: I put out a flurry of MIR's today.. I presume with MIR's, the earlier in the cycle, the better, correct? [08:05] SpamapS: it's the same team of people that process them, and they tend to arrive late in the cycle. So yes, submitting them early is a good way to spread their load [08:17] ttx: should be there now [08:18] SpamapS: ubuntu-server is in, yes [08:18] thanks ! [08:18] ttx: thanks for the heads up.. I wonder where they went?! [08:19] i've been asking myself the question when mine backholed :) [08:19] IS prank? [08:34] Just written an article where I explain how to create a vhost in Ubuntu GNU/Linux, maybe can help someone ( http://www.xoen.org/2010/05/create-vhost-in-ubuntu ) [08:37] xoen, looks good [08:37] lenios: thank you :) :) (I hope all is correct too!) [09:20] <_tydeas_> hi ppl i am trying to setup my apache and added UserDir public_html to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but does not work. Any ideas? [09:21] <_tydeas_> mod of public_html 771 [09:21] <_tydeas_> sorry 755 === \z is now known as ersoy === ersoy is now known as hersoy [09:30] <_tydeas_> anyone? [09:33] _tydeas_: have you enabled the userdir module? [09:34] <_tydeas_> how do this? [09:34] <_tydeas_> in the UserDir enabled ... ? [09:34] <_tydeas_> this is the only code i added UserDir public_html [09:35] https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html [09:36] do it the ubuntu way [09:37] <_tydeas_> RoyK i see i just checked the mod_available dir :) [09:38] :) [09:38] just symlink the mods-available/something to mods-enabled [09:44] <_tydeas_> how i do that? [09:45] <_tydeas_> ln -s target link_name ? [10:04] _tydeas_: read the docs :þ [10:07] <_tydeas_> i cd mods-enabbled; ln -s ../mods-available/userdir.* and worked ;p [10:09] does anyone know if there are plans to upgrade php on Karmic to 5.2.11 anytime soon? [10:24] just bitten by an annoying bug :( [10:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/512253 [10:24] Launchpad bug 512253 in ifupdown "Mistake in /etc/network/interfaces keeps the system from booting" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:35] <\sh> sounds more like upstart [10:36] henkjan: In Lucid? [10:36] <\sh> ifupdown does the right thing and tells you that you did a mistake in /e/n/i but upstart doesn't like it [10:39] <\sh> _tydeas_, the right thing to do to enable an apache2 module is /usr/sbin/a2enmod [10:40] soren: yep, lucid [10:41] time for a walk downstairs and init=/bin/sh [10:42] <\sh> henkjan, thank god there are RIBs ;) [10:42] RIB = Remote ? ? [10:42] <\sh> henkjan, remote insight boards [10:43] ah, ilom/alom/drac/whatever [10:44] these servers do have ilom, but the switch they are connected to has no more free ports :( [10:45] <\sh> henkjan, buy more switches ;) [10:45] <\sh> brb [10:46] \sh: these new servers replace a few older servers. After migration i'll have free switchports enough [10:54] hello... [11:06] hi ... [11:07] anybody here? [11:47] http://files.newsnetz.ch/bildlegende/20708/368983_pic_970x641.jpg === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [13:48] morning [13:54] hi [13:57] smoser: ping me when around [13:57] where do I find the md5 sum for lucid?? [13:57] tucemiux: the md5sum of what ? [13:58] tucemiux: relases.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/MD5SUMS ? [13:59] Jeeves_, thanks! [14:00] yw [14:00] anyone knows if the server comes preinstalled with all the server stuff like apache, ssh, etc. and I will have to uninstall or do I have to install the packages and dont worry about having to uninstall stuff I wont be using? [14:01] tucemiux: I'm pretty sure it's just a fairly basic initial install - I think it has openssh on, but very little else [14:02] * penguin42 boots his server vm [14:04] tucemiux: Yeh, very little installed [14:04] ok im going to fix a PII and install it there [14:23] what the fuck happen with ubuntu? every day i need reboot system for system go back to work, it happen with ubuntu server lucid and ubuntu desktop lucid too [14:23] i am pissed of this crap [14:24] last day i will use it, i am tired man.... [14:24] does it be like windows? need reboot every day [14:24] funny [14:25] internet connection stop to work every day, i can ping google but not retry connection [14:26] e.g. wget google.com can't get url [14:26] its timeout [14:26] but ping works [14:26] there is no firewall in it [14:27] its happen in two different machines [14:27] so i think its a big problem with ubuntu [14:28] killown: Chill out dude. :) [14:28] What's your problem? [14:28] when i use windows 7 i don't need reboot the system every day to internet go back to work [14:28] oooh man i am pissed of with ubuntu [14:29] right now my server stoped network connections [14:29] ubuntu server lucid [14:29] i can ping google but not get url with wget google.com [14:29] ok. You can ping google.com from your server? [14:30] yes, i do [14:30] so 'ping www.google.com' works? [14:30] works fine [14:30] ok, and 'telnet www.google.com 80' ? [14:30] but i am closed ssh connection [14:30] and now i can't connect to the server again [14:32] Jeeves_, wait a moment [14:32] Jeeves_, look that Trying 72.14.253.104... [14:32] its resolving dns [14:33] but telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out [14:33] ok, so dns works [14:33] can you do a traceroute? [14:33] yes, looks fine [14:33] let me try [14:33] smoser: around ? [14:34] traceroute to google.com (72.14.253.104), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets [14:35] Jeeves_, http://pastebin.com/Qby9A0rc take a look [14:35] its not getting any route [14:35] any problem with kernel + netfilter i think [14:36] Jeeves_, i am using the basic ubuntu installation [14:37] there is no firewall set up [14:37] its a fresh install [14:37] wih system updated [14:37] with* [14:39] sorry man but i can't use a system who i need reboot every day to the internet go back to work.... i reinstall ubuntu a lot times to get ride of this issues but i have no clue what happen [14:40] Ok, I'm just gonna copy-past this here again :) [14:40] Hi there! I'm using ubuntu for a while now, and I've decided to use ubuntu on my home server. What it will do is run Sabnzbd, a torrent client and serve files (password protected shares) to windows and ubuntu computers. After installin the server all I get is a commandline... And I'm lost. "apt-get update" gets errors (as in, internet not working). So where do I begin? Is there a manual for beginners? [14:40] killown: Hmm. [14:41] So ping works, but traceroute doesn't [14:41] what does 'ip get 72.14.253.104' say? [14:41] Jeeves_, does it be a masquerade or nat problem? [14:41] I have configured a NFS Server on Ubuntu 10.04 Server and some windows XP machines used as client through SFU. Most of them are working just fine. But a few are loosing the user maps. These machines are on Wireless network. Any idea how to solve this? [14:41] ip get 72.14.253.104 [14:41] Object "get" is unknown, try "ip help". [14:41] dhruba: Ditch the windows client [14:41] +s [14:42] killown: Hmm [14:42] ip ro get, sorry [14:42] Command "72.14.253.104" is unknown, try "ip route help". [14:42] root@ubuntu:~# [14:42] Could not understand. Please elaborate. [14:43] gree [14:43] !who [14:43] As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :) [14:43] grrr [14:43] dhruba: I expect your Windows XP with crappy clients on wireless to be the issue [14:44] Pwr: i ment ubuntu-server in my story above [14:44] killown: ip ro get 72.14.253.104 doesn't work? [14:44] It does on my machine [14:44] While pinging, I am finding 3-5 ms from the wireless clients. Whereas, from the wired clients, it is <1 ms. Could this the reason? [14:44] root@ubuntu:~# : ip ro get 72.14.253.104 [14:44] root@ubuntu:~# [14:44] !serverguide | Pwr Is this what you're looking for ? [14:44] Pwr Is this what you're looking for ?: The Ubuntu server guide may be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ [14:44] Jeeves_, i think not [14:45] Jeeves_, ping working http://pastebin.com/3JcxfyWT [14:45] pici: yes and no, for some reason I cannot connect to the internet, I had to disconnect from the internet during installation because it gave errors (could not retrieve packages etc.) [14:46] killown: And 'ip ro list' [14:46] Pwr: Wired or Wireless? [14:46] Pici: so a simple command to get internet-acces (dhcp would be fine for now) would get me further then I am right now. But I can't seem to find the command [14:46] Pici: wired [14:46] eth1 [14:46] I'm sorry for my noobishness :) [14:47] Jeeves_, http://pastebin.com/fndQz65p [14:47] Pwr: sudo ifup eth1 [14:47] killown: Hmm, you've got two default routes.. [14:47] quit [14:47] To the same destination, but still [14:48] i will delete it , wait a moment [14:48] killown: Are you using dhcp? [14:48] not [14:48] static ip [14:48] Pici: "ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1" error [14:48] Pwr: Are you sure that your ethernet device is eth1? What does ifconfig say? [14:48] router is serving dhcp to range 192.168.1.100/192.168.1.200 [14:49] most ethernet devices are eth0 [14:50] Pici: "ifconfig -a | greph eth" tells me there is an eth0 and an eth1 interface [14:50] there is a cable in the eth1 interface [14:50] change it to the other port [14:50] and try again [14:50] ubuntu usually mixes and matches my ethernet ports on my HP servers where the single NIC has two ports [14:50] sometimes top is 0, sometimes 1 [14:51] "sudo ifup eth0" gives me the same error now [14:51] but instead of eth1 it says eth0 [14:51] cisco router with spanning tree? [14:51] Jeeves_, http://pastebin.com/qs1j8Faw its from ubuntu desktop lucid, and everyday i need reboot the system, so i think the problem is not the route [14:51] bogeyd6: netgear wnr854t, simple home router [14:52] I might be better of installing ubuntu normal and fiddle with that I suppose, the server edition seemed more appropriate for my goal but might just be a tad too complicated for me :) [14:52] i have no reasons to need change routes and ip issues in ubuntu desktop, i don't know how internet stopping to work [14:53] on windows 7 system it can work for a lot days without need reboot the system, why i need reboot it when i am using ubuntu? [14:53] i will show you my /network/interfaces [14:54] i will reboot the router right now, if it won't work... so i will install another system [14:55] http://pastebin.com/bntjCezf [14:58] ttx, here [14:58] smoser: got 5 min for Mumble ? [14:58] sure [14:58] finding headset [14:59] smoser: join me on 1:1 [14:59] well, I made you join me :P [15:02] killown: Do you have it statically configured on windows too? [15:02] Jeeves_ yes [15:04] Jeeves_, ubuntu 10.04 fresh install updated , i am just installed squid and no more apps no more changes, i will show to the iptables-save out [15:06] Too weird [15:07] Jeeves_, apt-get install emacs working [15:07] i think it is a problem with port 80 [15:08] its happen in ubuntu desktop lucid too [15:08] http://pastebin.com/QkZvLwx6 [15:11] Jeeves_, this crap thing is happen a lot weeks, i think its the last day to get any fix to this problem [15:12] killown: If you've got NAT configured, it's not a default install, is it [15:12] ? [15:12] Jeeves_, i never touch in firewall [15:12] its a default from ubuntu [15:14] Hm, yes. I see. [15:14] I've got no clue... Sorry. [15:14] Jeeves_, after upgrade to lucid i started with this problems [15:14] ok no problem [15:14] i will install another distro [15:15] give up of ubuntu [15:15] thanks for you help [15:15] yw [15:25] hggdh, quick q. for you: when you test UEC, what do you use for the public IP range? do you use an unused range of IP in the same subnet as the public interface of the CC, or a different subnet entirely? [15:32] EtienneG: a different subnet [15:32] (with a different base address) [15:33] EtienneG: but --AFAIK -- you could use the same base address, and separate subnets [15:36] New bug: #586840 in php5 (main) "PHP is disabled by default for publishing from user's public_html folder using userdir module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586840 [15:40] hggdh, IIRC, there used to be a bug where you could not use a range of spare IP in the same subnet as the CC public interface (routing would be messed up on the CC), but everyone I have been talking to lately claim it is not a problem. Testing it now, we will see very shortly. [15:40] hggdh, if my suspicion is correct, that would be a major issue. [15:41] EtienneG: yes, I would consider this a Bad Thing(TM)... [15:42] EtienneG: we also noticed another thingie, dealing with SCs: by default you could not have more than 32 volumes per SC [15:43] hggdh, that is mighty broken [15:43] EtienneG: kirkland is patching it to the maximum allowed by one SC: 256 volumes, 256 snapshots [15:43] EtienneG: do you have enough space to create 512 volumes and snapshots? [15:43] hggdh, I am so glad we someone QA these things, means I will not get to have to chase these problems myself when installing! [15:44] hggdh, define "space"? [15:44] hggdh, on my new cloud? no, unfortunately [15:44] disk space in the SC -- you need at least 1G per {snapshot,volume} [15:44] hggdh, but do not worry, next week I will be working on hardware that have disk in the TB range [15:44] EtienneG: yeah, neither do I... [15:45] cool! [15:46] EtienneG: when you get to have the space, ping me (if the fix has not yet being made available). It is an easy change in upstart to test it [15:46] or even manually, on Lucid [15:47] hggdh, no prob ... in fact, *you* can ping me at your leisure early next week on the subject. I will have access starting Tuesday [15:47] EtienneG: thank you, will do [15:47] :-) === destro is now known as dendrobates [16:40] anyone knows the system requirements for ESXi? [16:42] tucemiux: have you checked vmware's webpage? [16:43] zul, im looking but they dont have a minimum system requirements section per se, what they have is a hardware compatability section, I dont want to know if my system is compatible or not, i want to know if I have enough juice to begin with [16:52] hi [16:53] where i can find apache logs? [16:53] ubuntu-usr: /var/log/apache2/ [16:53] Hi all. I am on Ubuntu 10.04. I just enabled my motherboard's SATA RAID functionality. How can I tell Ubuntu to see the raid volume now? [17:05] Any clue as to why I get SIOCADDRT: No such process when trying to set a static route? [17:10] do you know any good, open source groupware? [17:14] is it good to run the vbox on ubuntu server for enterprise level? the one that is in the repository of ubuntu [17:17] Guest_52_: if you don't need usb and vrdp - yes [17:18] vrdp like the rdp in windows? [17:19] Guest_52_: its a rdp server to reach the VM [17:19] so rdp server isnt working in the free version and the usb? thats all? === bc is now known as bo === bo is now known as bc === bc is now known as oevna === oevna is now known as bc [17:21] Guest_52_: as far as I know thats the big difference, but you can see for yourself on http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions [17:23] not so big difference ( i think ) if using for a headless and handless server [17:23] so no one has an answer as to why I get SIOCADDRT: No such process when trying to set a static route? [17:24] It was working fine [17:24] then all of a sudden [17:24] issue [17:26] what exactly is the route you are trying to add? [17:32] sec [17:33] route add -net 198.140.50.0 netmask 255.255.255.192 gw 10.147.201.174 [17:34] can you ping the gw ? [17:34] good question [17:34] if it wasnt production [17:34] id swap the cables now [17:34] but whats odd [17:34] is earlier that night [17:35] sorry enter is a bad habbit of mine [17:35] Earlier that night I was using the exact same command to set the static route and it was working no problem [17:35] also try specifying the interface [17:35] I did try that as well [17:35] elb0w: is your interface up ? [17:35] I had originally added it to the /etc/network/interfaces [17:36] Yes I can bring it up no issues [17:36] Originally I had a up statement in the interfaces file that would look something like [17:36] up route add -net 198.140.50.0/255.255.255.192 gw 10.147.201.174 eth3 [17:36] but that was not working, so I went to the manual line entry which it then worked [17:37] Since I have commented ou the up / down statements I added to eth3 and it worked once then following had issues a few hours later [17:37] I have checked the /etc/network/interfaces file and i cannot pick out any errors [17:38] generally the things to check are that there is a route to the gateway [17:38] Ok, could I show you my interfaces config and you tell me if it all looks ok? [17:40] http://pastebin.ca/1873415 [17:42] .keepersoflists.org no longer exists, for shame [17:44] elb0w: Your net mask in the config is different [17:45] arent they for two different ips? [17:46] 255.192 is for 198.14.50.0 and 255.240 is for 10.147.201.161 [17:46] or am I wrong [17:46] im not a networking guy [17:46] elb0w: The netmask you have for the 192.168.42.91 is 255.255.255.0 [17:47] oh hang on, that was a different one again [17:47] eth3 [17:47] is what i want [17:47] eth0 is internet [17:49] so you have two gateways there - what do you want to go to the 10.147.201.174 one? [17:50] im not sure now you are confusing me [17:51] the route add statement I had isnt valid? [17:51] route add -net 198.140.50.0/255.255.255.192 gw 10.147.201.174 eth3 [17:51] ? [17:51] wont it use eth3 by default because it has the gateway? [17:53] hang on a sec, while I reread it [17:54] sure thanks [17:56] so you shouldn't need the eth3 at the end of that because it should know that's where that gw goes [17:57] yeah [17:57] assuming that is that eth3 is happy [17:57] the proble was I was getting that error [17:57] eth3 goes up without complaining [17:57] how could I tell if it has an error [17:58] can you ping the gateway? [17:58] cant check now but they may have icmp off [17:59] well let me check on production box [17:59] * penguin42 is still a little curious about the gateway line in the interfaces file [17:59] what about it? [18:00] well, what does it mean [18:00] its the gateway for that nic no? [18:01] the gw on net0 is adding a default gw for all traffic isn't it? What do you want to get routed to that gw ? [18:01] exit [18:01] to which gateway? [18:01] eth0? [18:01] New bug: #586898 in php5 (main) "php5 cli segmentation fault when executing script" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586898 [18:02] elb0w: Well the gw in the eth0 section is a default route for all traffic that isn't on the local eth0 segment; but what is the gw on eth3 ? [18:04] Jeeves_, hey [18:09] the gateway? [18:09] what do you mean by that [18:11] gateway is the router no? [18:13] elb0w: And what traffic does the router on eth3 route? [18:13] for one of our datafeeds [18:14] live market data [18:14] strange, [Fri May 28 10:14:24 2010] [error] Exception KeyError: KeyError(139782945621824,) in ignored [18:15] no, I mean from the point of the host from the entry in interfaces what should the system route down there [18:16] thats the address of our nic on their network [18:16] I think [18:16] no it's not [18:16] god I should of payed more attention in my cisco classes lol [18:16] Ok we have a router from another company [18:17] One of the nics on this box (eth3) goes to this router [18:17] elb0w: OK, there are 2 different cases for gateways, the default route and ones that route a specific route [18:17] we have a process that takes data and sends requests through eth3 -> router -> them and <-<-<- [18:17] elb0w: The gw line in an interfaces stanza adds a default route for all traffic [18:17] (not otherwise rotued) [18:18] but then if i dont put gateway there I have to specify eth3 [18:18] right? [18:18] when I add the route [18:18] so for your internet one it makes sense - it says everything that didn't have anywhere else you knew where to send it go this way [18:18] ah gotcha [18:18] that is why default route was swapping to eth3 when I had it enabled? [18:19] elb0w: Right, but the gw in a route command is different if you specify a net or host to route to [18:19] yes but if I do not specify eth3 how would it know which nic to go through? [18:19] the fact that you might have a router on there doesn't mean you want it to route all traffic does it? If not then remove the gw line from the eth3 stanza in the interfaces file [18:19] correct [18:19] elb0w: You do need the gw in the route, but not in the interfaces file for eth3 the way I'm reading your setup [18:20] yes you are very correct [18:20] I guess my question is how am I defining the nic to use by doing add route === ri is now known as Guest52063 [18:20] so is this saying I add eth3 at the end? [18:20] route add -net 198.140.50.0/255.255.255.192 gw 10.147.201.174 eth3 [18:21] you shouldn't need to === Guest52063 is now known as cyclist [18:21] so I should not be specifying the gateway for eth3 anywhere then? [18:21]