[00:24] <elb0w> Im having issues installing mysql ndb cluster on lucid
[00:24] <elb0w> anyone have similiar issues? I have seen bug reports
[00:38] <SpamapS> elb0w: what issues are you having?
[00:38] <elb0w> installing 5.1
[00:38] <elb0w> It was complaining
[00:38] <elb0w> Im taking over from someone else though
[00:38] <elb0w> ill let you know when I hit it, thanks
[01:30] <guhcampos> elb0w, are you still there?
[01:31] <guhcampos> I'm having trouble with mysql (the normal server) too, only thing I've found was: http://goo.gl/wiEA
[01:33] <elb0w> did it work for u?
[01:40] <guhcampos> haven't tried
[01:41] <guhcampos> I can't mess up with the scripts
[01:41] <guhcampos> agains't company policies
[01:41] <elb0w> i just got it to run somehow
[01:56] <zul> mathiaz: now i am
[02:42] <Rolexde> www.motherless.com
[03:28] <elb0w> Any clue as to why I get SIOCADDRT: No such process when trying to set a static route?
[03:38] <|corpse|> im trying to install ubuntu server, right now when i load i get a trace all then it drops me to a shell. Is there anything i can do to get the install running from this shell?  the shell says (initramfs)
[03:39] <elb0w> get out while u can
[03:39] <elb0w> just installed ubuntu server over debian
[03:39] <elb0w> have had more issues getting things running
[03:39] <elb0w> that i have ever wanted
[03:39] <elb0w> took 2hrs to get mysql ndb to work properly
[03:39] <|corpse|> i have been working on this for over a week now
[03:39] <|corpse|> the people in here are so sick of me that they dont even talk to me anymore =P
[03:42] <|corpse|> do you like debian? im just trying to set up a file server and mabey a webhost/mail host but im pretty new to linux so i was trying to stick with what i know
[03:48] <ScottK> The Ubuntu Server installer uses the same installer as Debian.
[04:09] <twb> Well, *almost* the same ;-)
[04:59] <ScottK> It's the same code base.  There are differences.
[05:37] <benkant> hello chaps. how do I install a specific version of PHP5? specifically I want 5.2 and not 5.3 ... would it still be in the repos?
[05:38] <twb> benkant: in general, you can't.
[05:39] <twb> The Right Thing is to hit your webdevs with a LART until they learn to write forward-compatible code
[05:40] <benkant> forward compatible? that's a bit rich!
[05:42] <ScottK> benkant: On Ubuntu, run either Hardy, Jaunty, or Karmic.  With Lucid it'll be 5.3.
[05:42] <twb> Well, the normal implication of a new version x.y+1.0 is that it's backwards-compatible but not forwards-compatible, and thus systems targeted at x.y.z will Just Work with x.y+1.0
[05:43] <twb> Maybe the PHP maintainers don't follow that scheme, or they just aren't very good at it.
[05:43] <benkant> shut up
[05:46] <ajmitch> that was an interesting reaction
[05:46] <ajmitch> most of the problems with php 5.3 lately are due to it spitting warnings on using deprecated functions
[05:47] <ajmitch> something fairly easily fixed in the appropriate php.ini
[05:48] <ScottK> I'm glad I didn't make the comment that I was thinking about supporting one version of php being insane enough.
[05:52] <ajmitch> some people are still trying to transition from php 4, I think
[05:55] <twb> What happened here was that the PHP dev said "I don't know if this will work on PHP5" and management decided it would be cheaper to have me try to get PHP4 running on Etch than to get the app running on PHP5
[05:56] <twb> ...or was it mysql?  Yeah, I think mysql, not php.
[05:58] <ajmitch> changing the object model from php 4 to 5 did make a few basement coders confused
[05:59] <ajmitch> PHP isn't really a language you look to for a good example of sanity, though
[06:00] <twb> ajmitch: heh, "basement coders"
[06:01] <twb> The idiom I usually use is "crack monkeys"
[06:10]  * ScottK uses php developer
[06:18] <SirMoo> Quick question. Does the server have a graphical gui or?
[06:18] <twb> Well, they're not the only ones
[06:18] <twb> "You can write Fortran in any language"
[06:19] <twb> SirMoo: it does not.  You can install one; this is discouraged.
[06:19] <ScottK> Certainly.  It's also possible to write readable Perl, but certain languages tend to encourage certain things.
[06:21] <twb> Heh.  Canonical sure is a Python shop ;-P
[06:26] <twb> I want to like lua, but these days it's hard for me to get enthusiastic about new languages
[07:06] <ajmitch> ScottK: I was referring to a certain type of PHP developer, the ones that proliferate those mountains of bad cargo cult code out there
[07:06] <ajmitch> since there are certainly a number of php developers who can avoid the common php pitfalls
[07:15] <ScottK> Right, I'm not saying PHP can't be well done.
[07:50] <ttx> SpamapS: around?
[07:51] <SpamapS> ttx: I am. goodmorning
[07:52] <ttx> SpamapS: I didn't see the meeting minutes yet
[07:52] <ttx> SpamapS: was wondering if you wree blocked on anything
[07:52] <ttx> (or if I missed them somehow)
[07:52] <SpamapS> ttx: I sent them to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-server .. thought maybe the list was set not to send people their own posts. Hmm.
[07:53]  * ttx checks
[07:53] <SpamapS> ttx: and I've been waiting for Mathias to enable my access on the blog.
[07:53] <SpamapS> ttx: I see them in my sent items..
[07:54] <ttx> SpamapS: can't see it https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-May/thread.html
[07:54] <ttx> SpamapS: I had a few emails eaten by the list as well
[07:55] <SpamapS> weird.. ok I'll re-send
[07:55] <ttx> SpamapS: one time I had to have mathiaz send the notes for me, becaus ethey would constantly (and silently) reject my post
[07:56] <ttx> I've thinking about some agressive spam countermeasure
[07:56] <ttx> s/I've/I was/
[07:57] <ttx> SpamapS: if it's not there by your morning, go through mathiaz to get them sent :)
[07:58] <ttx> SpamapS: for ubuntu-devel, it should go through moderation. But ubuntu-server is not moderated
[07:59] <SpamapS> ttx: I needed to re-register my subscription on ubuntu-server with my canonical email anyway
[08:04] <SpamapS> ttx: I put out a flurry of MIR's today.. I presume with MIR's, the earlier in the cycle, the better, correct?
[08:05] <ttx> SpamapS: it's the same team of people that process them, and they tend to arrive late in the cycle. So yes, submitting them early is a good way to spread their load
[08:17] <SpamapS> ttx: should be there now
[08:18] <ttx> SpamapS: ubuntu-server is in, yes
[08:18] <ttx> thanks !
[08:18] <SpamapS> ttx: thanks for the heads up.. I wonder where they went?!
[08:19] <ttx> i've been asking myself the question when mine backholed :)
[08:19] <SpamapS> IS prank?
[08:34] <xoen> Just written an article where I explain how to create a vhost in Ubuntu GNU/Linux, maybe can help someone ( http://www.xoen.org/2010/05/create-vhost-in-ubuntu )
[08:37] <lenios> xoen, looks good
[08:37] <xoen> lenios: thank you :) :) (I hope all is correct too!)
[09:20] <_tydeas_> hi ppl i am trying to setup my apache and added <IfModule mod_userdir.c>UserDir public_html </IfModule> to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but does not work. Any ideas?
[09:21] <_tydeas_> mod of public_html 771
[09:21] <_tydeas_> sorry 755
[09:30] <_tydeas_> anyone?
[09:33] <RoyK> _tydeas_: have you enabled the userdir module?
[09:34] <_tydeas_> how do this?
[09:34] <_tydeas_> in the <IfModule> UserDir enabled ... ?
[09:34] <_tydeas_> this is the only code i added <IfModule mod_userdir.c>UserDir public_html </IfModule>
[09:35] <RoyK> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[09:36] <RoyK> do it the ubuntu way
[09:37] <_tydeas_> RoyK i see i just checked the mod_available dir :)
[09:38] <RoyK> :)
[09:38] <RoyK> just symlink the mods-available/something to mods-enabled
[09:44] <_tydeas_> how i do that?
[09:45] <_tydeas_> ln -s target link_name ?
[10:04] <RoyK> _tydeas_: read the docs :þ
[10:07] <_tydeas_> i cd mods-enabbled; ln -s ../mods-available/userdir.* and worked ;p
[10:09] <Bjelleklang> does anyone know if there are plans to upgrade php on Karmic to 5.2.11 anytime soon?
[10:24] <henkjan> just bitten by an annoying bug :(
[10:24] <henkjan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/512253
[10:35] <\sh> sounds more like upstart
[10:36] <soren> henkjan: In Lucid?
[10:36] <\sh> ifupdown does the right thing and tells you that you did a mistake in /e/n/i but upstart doesn't like it
[10:39] <\sh> _tydeas_, the right thing to do to enable an apache2 module is /usr/sbin/a2enmod <module name>
[10:40] <henkjan> soren: yep, lucid
[10:41] <henkjan> time for a walk downstairs and init=/bin/sh
[10:42] <\sh> henkjan, thank god there are RIBs ;)
[10:42] <henkjan> RIB = Remote ? ?
[10:42] <\sh> henkjan, remote insight boards
[10:43] <henkjan> ah, ilom/alom/drac/whatever
[10:44] <henkjan> these servers do have ilom, but the switch they are connected to has no more free ports :(
[10:45] <\sh> henkjan, buy more switches ;)
[10:45] <\sh> brb
[10:46] <henkjan> \sh: these new servers replace a few older servers. After migration i'll have free switchports enough
[10:54] <jo_> hello...
[11:06] <jo_> hi ...
[11:07] <jo_> anybody here?
[11:47] <Aison> http://files.newsnetz.ch/bildlegende/20708/368983_pic_970x641.jpg
[13:48] <sommer> morning
[13:54] <bogeyd6> hi
[13:57] <ttx> smoser: ping me when around
[13:57] <tucemiux> where do I find the md5 sum for lucid??
[13:57] <ttx> tucemiux: the md5sum of what ?
[13:58] <Jeeves_> tucemiux: relases.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/MD5SUMS ?
[13:59] <tucemiux> Jeeves_, thanks!
[14:00] <Jeeves_> yw
[14:00] <tucemiux> anyone knows if the server comes preinstalled with all the server stuff like apache, ssh, etc. and I will have to uninstall or do I have to install the packages and dont worry about having to uninstall stuff I wont be using?
[14:01] <penguin42> tucemiux: I'm pretty sure it's just a fairly basic initial install - I think it has openssh on, but very little else
[14:02]  * penguin42 boots his server vm
[14:04] <penguin42> tucemiux: Yeh, very little installed
[14:04] <tucemiux> ok im going to fix a PII and install it there
[14:23] <killown> what the fuck happen with ubuntu? every day i need reboot system for system go back to work, it happen with ubuntu server lucid and ubuntu desktop lucid too
[14:23] <killown> i am pissed of this crap
[14:24] <killown> last day i will use it, i am tired man....
[14:24] <killown> does it be like windows? need reboot every day
[14:24] <killown> funny
[14:25] <killown> internet connection stop to work every day, i can ping google but not retry connection
[14:26] <killown> e.g. wget google.com can't get url
[14:26] <killown> its timeout
[14:26] <killown> but ping works
[14:26] <killown> there is no firewall in it
[14:27] <killown> its happen in two different machines
[14:27] <killown> so i think its a big problem with ubuntu
[14:28] <Jeeves_> killown: Chill out dude. :)
[14:28] <Jeeves_> What's your problem?
[14:28] <killown> when i use windows 7 i don't need reboot the system every day to internet go back to work
[14:28] <killown> oooh man i am pissed of with ubuntu
[14:29] <killown> right now my server stoped network connections
[14:29] <killown> ubuntu server lucid
[14:29] <killown> i can ping google but not get url with wget google.com
[14:29] <Jeeves_> ok. You can ping google.com from your server?
[14:30] <killown> yes, i do
[14:30] <Jeeves_> so 'ping www.google.com' works?
[14:30] <killown> works fine
[14:30] <Jeeves_> ok, and 'telnet www.google.com 80' ?
[14:30] <killown> but i am closed ssh connection
[14:30] <killown> and now i can't connect to the server again
[14:32] <killown> Jeeves_, wait a moment
[14:32] <killown> Jeeves_, look that Trying 72.14.253.104...
[14:32] <killown> its resolving dns
[14:33] <killown> but telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
[14:33] <Jeeves_> ok, so dns works
[14:33] <Jeeves_> can you do a traceroute?
[14:33] <killown> yes, looks fine
[14:33] <killown> let me try
[14:33] <ttx> smoser: around ?
[14:34] <killown> traceroute to google.com (72.14.253.104), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
[14:35] <killown> Jeeves_, http://pastebin.com/Qby9A0rc take a look
[14:35] <killown> its not getting any route
[14:35] <killown> any problem with kernel + netfilter i think
[14:36] <killown> Jeeves_, i am using the basic ubuntu installation
[14:37] <killown> there is no firewall set up
[14:37] <killown> its a fresh install
[14:37] <killown> wih system updated
[14:37] <killown> with*
[14:39] <killown> sorry man but i can't use a system who i need reboot every day to the internet go back to work.... i reinstall ubuntu a lot times to get ride of this issues but i have no clue what happen
[14:40] <Pwr> Ok, I'm just gonna copy-past this here again :)
[14:40] <Pwr> Hi there! I'm using ubuntu for a while now, and I've decided to use ubuntu on my home server. What it will do is run Sabnzbd, a torrent client and serve files (password protected shares) to windows and ubuntu computers. After installin the server all I get is a commandline... And I'm lost. "apt-get update" gets errors (as in, internet not working). So where do I begin? Is there a manual for beginners?
[14:40] <Jeeves_> killown: Hmm.
[14:41] <Jeeves_> So ping works, but traceroute doesn't
[14:41] <Jeeves_> what does 'ip get 72.14.253.104' say?
[14:41] <killown> Jeeves_, does it be a masquerade or nat problem?
[14:41] <dhruba> I have configured a NFS Server on Ubuntu 10.04 Server and some windows XP machines used as client through SFU. Most of them are working just fine. But a few are loosing the user maps. These machines are on Wireless network. Any idea how to solve this?
[14:41] <killown>  ip get 72.14.253.104
[14:41] <killown> Object "get" is unknown, try "ip help".
[14:41] <Jeeves_> dhruba: Ditch the windows client
[14:41] <Jeeves_> +s
[14:42] <Jeeves_> killown: Hmm
[14:42] <Jeeves_> ip ro get, sorry
[14:42] <killown> Command "72.14.253.104" is unknown, try "ip route help".
[14:42] <killown> root@ubuntu:~#
[14:42] <dhruba> Could not understand. Please elaborate.
[14:43] <Jeeves_> gree
[14:43] <Pici> !who
[14:43] <Jeeves_> grrr
[14:43] <Jeeves_> dhruba: I expect your Windows XP with crappy clients on wireless to be the issue
[14:44] <Pwr> Pwr: i ment ubuntu-server in my story above
[14:44] <Jeeves_> killown: ip ro get 72.14.253.104 doesn't work?
[14:44] <Jeeves_> It does on my machine
[14:44] <dhruba> While pinging, I am finding 3-5 ms from the wireless clients. Whereas, from the wired clients, it is <1 ms. Could this the reason?
[14:44] <killown> root@ubuntu:~# : ip ro get 72.14.253.104
[14:44] <killown> root@ubuntu:~#
[14:44] <Pici> !serverguide | Pwr Is this what you're looking for ?
[14:44] <killown> Jeeves_, i think not
[14:45] <killown> Jeeves_, ping working http://pastebin.com/3JcxfyWT
[14:45] <Pwr> pici: yes and no, for some reason I cannot connect to the internet, I had to disconnect from the internet during installation because it gave errors (could not retrieve packages etc.)
[14:46] <Jeeves_> killown: And 'ip ro list'
[14:46] <Pici> Pwr: Wired or Wireless?
[14:46] <Pwr> Pici: so a simple command to get internet-acces (dhcp would be fine for now) would get me further then I am right now. But I can't seem to find the command
[14:46] <Pwr> Pici: wired
[14:46] <Pwr> eth1
[14:46] <Pwr> I'm sorry for my noobishness :)
[14:47] <killown> Jeeves_, http://pastebin.com/fndQz65p
[14:47] <Pici> Pwr: sudo ifup eth1
[14:47] <Jeeves_> killown: Hmm, you've got two default routes..
[14:47] <dhruba> quit
[14:47] <Jeeves_> To the same destination, but still
[14:48] <killown> i will delete it , wait a moment
[14:48] <Jeeves_> killown: Are you using dhcp?
[14:48] <killown> not
[14:48] <killown> static ip
[14:48] <Pwr> Pici: "ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1" error
[14:48] <Pici> Pwr: Are you sure that your ethernet device is eth1? What does ifconfig say?
[14:48] <killown> router is serving dhcp to range 192.168.1.100/192.168.1.200
[14:49] <bogeyd6> most ethernet devices are eth0
[14:50] <Pwr> Pici: "ifconfig -a | greph eth" tells me there is an eth0 and an eth1 interface
[14:50] <Pwr> there is a cable in the eth1 interface
[14:50] <bogeyd6> change it to the other port
[14:50] <bogeyd6> and try again
[14:50] <bogeyd6> ubuntu usually mixes and matches my ethernet ports on my HP servers where the single NIC has two ports
[14:50] <bogeyd6> sometimes top is 0, sometimes 1
[14:51] <Pwr> "sudo ifup eth0" gives me the same error now
[14:51] <Pwr> but instead of eth1 it says eth0
[14:51] <bogeyd6> cisco router with spanning tree?
[14:51] <killown> Jeeves_, http://pastebin.com/qs1j8Faw its from ubuntu desktop lucid, and everyday i need reboot the system, so i think the problem is not the route
[14:51] <Pwr> bogeyd6: netgear wnr854t, simple home router
[14:52] <Pwr> I might be better of installing ubuntu normal and fiddle with that I suppose, the server edition seemed more appropriate for my goal but might just be a tad too complicated for me :)
[14:52] <killown> i have no reasons to need change routes and ip issues in ubuntu desktop, i don't know how internet stopping to work
[14:53] <killown> on windows 7 system it can work for a lot days without need reboot the system, why i need reboot it when i am using ubuntu?
[14:53] <killown> i will show you my /network/interfaces
[14:54] <killown> i will reboot the router right now, if it won't work... so i will install another system
[14:55] <killown> http://pastebin.com/bntjCezf
[14:58] <smoser> ttx, here
[14:58] <ttx> smoser: got 5 min for Mumble ?
[14:58] <smoser> sure
[14:58] <smoser> finding headset
[14:59] <ttx> smoser: join me on 1:1
[14:59] <ttx> well, I made you join me :P
[15:02] <Jeeves_> killown: Do you have it statically configured on windows too?
[15:02] <killown> Jeeves_ yes
[15:04] <killown> Jeeves_, ubuntu 10.04 fresh install updated , i am just installed squid and no more apps no more changes, i will show to the iptables-save out
[15:06] <Jeeves_> Too weird
[15:07] <killown> Jeeves_, apt-get install emacs working
[15:07] <killown> i think it is a problem with port 80
[15:08] <killown> its happen in ubuntu desktop lucid too
[15:08] <killown> http://pastebin.com/QkZvLwx6
[15:11] <killown> Jeeves_, this crap thing is happen a lot weeks, i think its the last day to get any fix to this problem
[15:12] <Jeeves_> killown: If you've got NAT configured, it's not a default install, is it
[15:12] <Jeeves_> ?
[15:12] <killown> Jeeves_, i never touch in firewall
[15:12] <killown> its a default from ubuntu
[15:14] <Jeeves_> Hm, yes. I see.
[15:14] <Jeeves_> I've got no clue... Sorry.
[15:14] <killown> Jeeves_, after upgrade to lucid i started with this problems
[15:14] <killown> ok no problem
[15:14] <killown> i will install another distro
[15:15] <killown> give up of ubuntu
[15:15] <killown> thanks for you help
[15:15] <Jeeves_> yw
[15:25] <EtienneG> hggdh, quick q. for you: when you test UEC, what do you use for the public IP range?  do you use an unused range of IP in the same subnet as the public interface of the CC, or a different subnet entirely?
[15:32] <hggdh> EtienneG: a different subnet
[15:32] <hggdh> (with a different base address)
[15:33] <hggdh> EtienneG: but --AFAIK -- you could use the same base address, and separate subnets
[15:40] <EtienneG> hggdh, IIRC, there used to be a bug where you could not use a range of spare IP in the same subnet as the CC public interface (routing would be messed up on the CC), but everyone I have been talking to lately claim it is not a problem.  Testing it now, we will see very shortly.
[15:40] <EtienneG> hggdh, if my suspicion is correct, that would be a major issue.
[15:41] <hggdh> EtienneG: yes, I would consider this a Bad Thing(TM)...
[15:42] <hggdh> EtienneG: we also noticed another thingie, dealing with SCs: by default you could not have more than 32 volumes per SC
[15:43] <EtienneG> hggdh, that is mighty broken
[15:43] <hggdh> EtienneG: kirkland is patching it to the maximum allowed by one SC: 256 volumes, 256 snapshots
[15:43] <hggdh> EtienneG: do you have enough space to create 512 volumes and snapshots?
[15:43] <EtienneG> hggdh, I am so glad we someone QA these things, means I will not get to have to chase these problems myself when installing!
[15:44] <EtienneG> hggdh, define "space"?
[15:44] <EtienneG> hggdh, on my new cloud? no, unfortunately
[15:44] <hggdh> disk space in the SC -- you need at least 1G per {snapshot,volume}
[15:44] <EtienneG> hggdh, but do not worry, next week I will be working on hardware that have disk in the TB range
[15:44] <hggdh> EtienneG: yeah, neither do I...
[15:45] <hggdh> cool!
[15:46] <hggdh> EtienneG: when you get to have the space, ping me (if the fix has not yet being made available). It is an easy change in upstart to test it
[15:46] <hggdh> or even manually, on Lucid
[15:47] <EtienneG> hggdh, no prob ... in fact, *you* can ping me at your leisure early next week on the subject.  I will have access starting Tuesday
[15:47] <hggdh> EtienneG: thank you, will do
[15:47] <hggdh> :-)
[16:40] <tucemiux> anyone knows the system requirements for ESXi?
[16:42] <zul> tucemiux: have you checked vmware's webpage?
[16:43] <tucemiux> zul,  im looking but they dont have a minimum system requirements section per se, what they have is a hardware compatability section, I dont want to know if my system is compatible or not, i want to know if I have enough juice to begin with
[16:52] <ubuntu-usr> hi
[16:53] <ubuntu-usr> where i can find apache logs?
[16:53] <Pici> ubuntu-usr: /var/log/apache2/
[16:53] <cybrocop> Hi all. I am on Ubuntu 10.04. I just enabled my motherboard's SATA RAID functionality. How can I tell Ubuntu to see the raid volume now?
[17:05] <elb0w> Any clue as to why I get SIOCADDRT: No such process when trying to set a static route?
[17:10] <ubuntu-usr> do you know any good, open source groupware?
[17:14] <Guest_52_> is it good to run the vbox on ubuntu server for enterprise level? the one that is in the repository of ubuntu
[17:17] <guntbert> Guest_52_: if you don't need usb and vrdp - yes
[17:18] <Guest_52_> vrdp like the rdp in windows?
[17:19] <guntbert> Guest_52_: its a rdp server to reach the VM
[17:19] <Guest_52_> so rdp server isnt working in the free version and the usb? thats all?
[17:21] <guntbert> Guest_52_: as far as I know thats the big difference, but you can see for yourself on http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
[17:23] <Guest_52_> not so big difference ( i think ) if using for a headless and handless server
[17:23] <elb0w> so no one has an answer as to why I get SIOCADDRT: No such process when trying to set a static route?
[17:24] <elb0w> It was working fine
[17:24] <elb0w> then all of a sudden
[17:24] <elb0w> issue
[17:26] <penguin42> what exactly is the route you are trying to add?
[17:32] <elb0w> sec
[17:33] <elb0w> route add -net 198.140.50.0 netmask 255.255.255.192 gw 10.147.201.174
[17:34] <penguin42> can you ping the gw ?
[17:34] <elb0w> good question
[17:34] <elb0w> if it wasnt production
[17:34] <elb0w> id swap the cables now
[17:34] <elb0w> but whats odd
[17:34] <elb0w> is earlier that night
[17:35] <elb0w> sorry enter is a bad habbit of mine
[17:35] <elb0w> Earlier that night I was using the exact same command to set the static route and it was working no problem
[17:35] <penguin42> also try specifying the interface
[17:35] <elb0w> I did try that as well
[17:35] <guntbert> elb0w: is your interface up ?
[17:35] <elb0w> I had originally added it to the /etc/network/interfaces
[17:36] <elb0w> Yes I can bring it up no issues
[17:36] <elb0w> Originally I had a up statement in the interfaces file that would look something like
[17:36] <elb0w> up route add -net 198.140.50.0/255.255.255.192 gw 10.147.201.174 eth3
[17:36] <elb0w> but that was not working, so I went to the manual line entry which it then worked
[17:37] <elb0w> Since I have commented ou the up / down statements I added to eth3 and it worked once then following had issues a few hours later
[17:37] <elb0w> I have checked the /etc/network/interfaces file and i cannot pick out any errors
[17:38] <penguin42> generally the things to check are that there is a route to the gateway
[17:38] <elb0w> Ok, could I show you my interfaces config and you tell me if it all looks ok?
[17:40] <elb0w> http://pastebin.ca/1873415
[17:42] <bogeyd6> .keepersoflists.org no longer exists, for shame
[17:44] <penguin42> elb0w: Your net mask in the config is different
[17:45] <elb0w> arent they for two different ips?
[17:46] <elb0w> 255.192 is for 198.14.50.0 and 255.240 is for 10.147.201.161
[17:46] <elb0w> or am I wrong
[17:46] <elb0w> im not a networking guy
[17:46] <penguin42> elb0w: The netmask you have for the 192.168.42.91 is 255.255.255.0
[17:47] <penguin42> oh hang on, that was a different one again
[17:47] <elb0w> eth3
[17:47] <elb0w> is what i want
[17:47] <elb0w> eth0 is internet
[17:49] <penguin42> so you have two gateways there - what do you want to go to the 10.147.201.174 one?
[17:50] <elb0w> im not sure now you are confusing me
[17:51] <elb0w> the route add statement I had isnt valid?
[17:51] <elb0w> route add -net 198.140.50.0/255.255.255.192 gw 10.147.201.174 eth3
[17:51] <elb0w> ?
[17:51] <elb0w> wont it use eth3 by default because it has the gateway?
[17:53] <penguin42> hang on a sec, while I reread it
[17:54] <elb0w> sure thanks
[17:56] <penguin42> so you shouldn't need the eth3 at the end of that because it should know that's where that gw goes
[17:57] <elb0w> yeah
[17:57] <penguin42> assuming that is that eth3 is happy
[17:57] <elb0w> the proble was I was getting that error
[17:57] <elb0w> eth3 goes up without complaining
[17:57] <elb0w> how could I tell if it has an error
[17:58] <penguin42> can you ping the gateway?
[17:58] <elb0w> cant check now but they may have icmp off
[17:59] <elb0w> well let me check on production box
[17:59]  * penguin42 is still a little curious about the gateway line in the interfaces file
[17:59] <elb0w> what about it?
[18:00] <penguin42> well, what does it mean
[18:00] <elb0w> its the gateway for that nic no?
[18:01] <penguin42> the gw on net0 is adding a default gw for all traffic isn't it? What do you want to get routed to that gw ?
[18:01] <lunaphyte_> exit
[18:01] <elb0w> to which gateway?
[18:01] <elb0w> eth0?
[18:02] <penguin42> elb0w: Well the gw in the eth0 section is a default route for all traffic that isn't on the local eth0 segment; but what is the gw on eth3 ?
[18:04] <killown> Jeeves_, hey
[18:09] <elb0w> the gateway?
[18:09] <elb0w> what do you mean by that
[18:11] <elb0w> gateway is the router no?
[18:13] <penguin42> elb0w: And what traffic does the router on eth3 route?
[18:13] <elb0w> for one of our datafeeds
[18:14] <elb0w> live market data
[18:14] <osmosis> strange,  [Fri May 28 10:14:24 2010] [error] Exception KeyError: KeyError(139782945621824,) in <module 'threading' from '/usr/lib/python2.6/threading.pyc'> ignored
[18:15] <penguin42> no, I mean from the point of the host from the entry in interfaces what should the system route down there
[18:16] <elb0w> thats the address of our nic on their network
[18:16] <elb0w> I think
[18:16] <penguin42> no it's not
[18:16] <elb0w> god I should of payed more attention in my cisco classes lol
[18:16] <elb0w> Ok we have a router from another company
[18:17] <elb0w> One of the nics on this box (eth3) goes to this router
[18:17] <penguin42> elb0w: OK, there are 2 different cases for gateways, the default route and ones that route a specific route
[18:17] <elb0w> we have a process that takes data and sends requests through eth3 -> router -> them and <-<-<-
[18:17] <penguin42> elb0w: The gw line in an interfaces stanza adds a default route for all traffic
[18:17] <penguin42> (not otherwise rotued)
[18:18] <elb0w> but then if i dont put gateway there I have to specify eth3
[18:18] <elb0w> right?
[18:18] <elb0w> when I add the route
[18:18] <penguin42> so for your internet one it makes sense - it says everything that didn't have anywhere else you knew where to send it go this way
[18:18] <elb0w> ah gotcha
[18:18] <elb0w> that is why default route was swapping to eth3 when I had it enabled?
[18:19] <penguin42> elb0w: Right, but the gw in a route command is different if you specify a net or host to route to
[18:19] <elb0w> yes but if I do not specify eth3 how would it know which nic to go through?
[18:19] <penguin42> the fact that you might have a router on there doesn't mean you want it to route all traffic does it? If not then remove the gw line from the eth3 stanza in the interfaces file
[18:19] <elb0w> correct
[18:19] <penguin42> elb0w: You do need the gw in the route, but not in the interfaces file for eth3 the way I'm reading your setup
[18:20] <elb0w> yes you are very correct
[18:20] <elb0w> I guess my question is how am I defining the nic to use by doing add route
[18:20] <elb0w> so is this saying I add eth3 at the end?
[18:20] <elb0w> route add -net 198.140.50.0/255.255.255.192 gw 10.147.201.174 eth3
[18:21] <penguin42> you shouldn't need to
[18:21] <elb0w> so I should not be specifying the gateway for eth3 anywhere then?
[18:21] <elb0w> aside from the route statement
[18:22] <penguin42> that's my reading of it yes
[18:22] <elb0w> ok
[18:22] <redsherpa> http://pastie.org/982103
[18:22] <elb0w> thanks for all your help penguin42, I feel like I understand alot of things better now
[18:23] <elb0w> yeah I was havin mysql problems last night
[18:24] <SpamapS> redsherpa: I believe there's a fix set to be released for that.
[18:25] <redsherpa> SpamapS:  Okay, thank you.  I contributed to the bug, and was hoping it would be fixed soon.  Sometimes patience is just the only option.
[18:30] <killown> what advantages do i have to use apparmor?
[18:31] <jpds> advantages?
[18:33] <penguin42> killown: It means even if there is a bug in the application you can restrict what can be accessed
[18:33] <killown> penguin42, the apparmor is affecting my internet connection
[18:34] <killown> after hours my internet stop to work
[18:34] <killown> after stop it my internet go back
[18:34] <penguin42> killown: For example it's used on evince so that if you open a pdf with it then it stops a nasty pdf accessing files it shouldn't
[18:34] <killown> or after reboot the system
[18:34] <penguin42> killown: It shouldn't do much with internet - what makes you say it's related to apparmor ?
[18:35] <killown> penguin42 because every day my internet stop to work
[18:35] <killown> i did try everything to fix it
[18:35] <penguin42> and what makes you say it's apparmor and not something else?
[18:35] <killown> Jeeves_, tried to help me but he can't
[18:35] <killown> so i was giving up it
[18:35] <killown> but after stop apparmor
[18:35] <killown> i could get internet go back to work
[18:36] <penguin42> what type of internet connection do you have? Are there any log errors when internet connection is lost?
[18:36] <killown> penguin42, the problem is, suddenly internet stop but i can ping google and do another things related to outgoing connections
[18:36] <killown> no log erros
[18:36] <killown> errors
[18:37] <penguin42> killown: so if you can ping things what  doesn't work?
[18:37] <killown> penguin42 wget google.com
[18:37] <killown> cant work
[18:37] <killown> w3g google.com
[18:37] <killown> cant work
[18:37] <penguin42> any errors?
[18:39] <killown> penguin42, no errors
[18:39] <killown> i forgot to check apparmor logs
[18:39] <penguin42> it's unlikely to be apparmor then - what made you think it was apparmor?
[18:39] <killown> penguin42, because it go back to work after stop apparmor
[18:40] <penguin42> have you added any apparmor config?
[18:40] <killown> penguin42 no
[18:40] <killown> its a fresh ubuntu install
[18:41] <killown> with apparmor default settings
[18:41] <penguin42> that's pretty odd - apparmor normally says in the log if there is anything it blocks, so I doubt it's actually apparmor that's the problem
[18:41] <killown> penguin42 what would be?
[18:42] <penguin42> how are you connected to the internet?
[18:42] <killown> penguin42 modem >> router >> machine
[18:42] <penguin42> ethernet between router and machine?
[18:42] <killown> don't care if i try reboot modem or router, it won't work
[18:43] <killown> yes
[18:43] <penguin42> so when it fails check /etc/resolv.conf and do an ifconfig -a and /sbin/route -n   and see if it changes from when it's working
[18:44] <killown> penguin42 http://pastebin.com/1zgwDcsi
[18:44] <killown> and http://pastebin.com/AK3Tu6rb
[18:44] <killown> now i rebooted and working fine
[18:45] <killown> i don't know when it will stop to work again
[18:46] <penguin42> the 1st one doesn't seem to show an ifconfig or /etc/resolv.conf
[18:47] <killown> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/AK3Tu6rb  do not?
[18:47] <penguin42> no
[18:47] <killown> i saw resolv.conf there
[18:47] <killown> how you can't ?
[18:47] <penguin42> yeh 2nd has resolv.conf, no ifconfig
[18:48] <killown> ifconfig is the same set in network/interfaces >> http://pastebin.com/1zgwDcsi
[18:48]  * penguin42 goes back a step - is it downloading from br.archive.ubuntu.com in the 1st one?
[18:49] <killown> penguin42, note: to get this informations i was connected via ssh to the machine
[18:50] <penguin42> it's odd that only google and the like don't work when the rest of your connectivity seems to work
[18:53] <penguin42> yet your DNS resolution looks fine
[18:55] <penguin42> killown: There is an apparmor profile for tcpdump, so if that was wrong, yes it could break that
[18:56] <cn1109> I'm currently using apache2 and when I try a2ensite I get the following error: No site found matching /etc/apache2/site-available/www.mysite.com and also the same thing for sites-enabled. Any solution?
[19:04] <remix_tj> cn1109: do you have a file called www.mysite.com in that dir?
[19:07] <mtsmith> Hey everyone -- I've been reading up on installing Tomcat using apt-get but I've been reading about problems arising from using the packages as opposed to a clean build. Can anyone show me "the right way"? ;-) Thanks
[19:08] <tucemiux> anyone knows what the minimum requirements are?
[19:09] <cn1109> remix_tj: yes. I used pico www.mysite.com on /sites-available/
[19:10] <cn1109> remix_tj: Is that how you create the sites?
[19:10] <tucemiux> i mean, anyone knows what the minimum **memory** requirements are?
[19:11] <remix_tj> yeah cn1109 i create the file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/, then enable it
[19:11] <remix_tj> cn1109: is the file with correct content?
[19:12] <tucemiux> ubuntu server  will work with 128MB of ram, nice !!!
[19:12] <cn1109> remix_tj: RIght now i just copied the default file and renamed it to www.mysite.com
[19:13] <remix_tj> cn1109: a2ensite gives the same error now?
[19:13] <cn1109> remix_tj: It starts such as: <VirtualHost:*80> and so on with the directories ,etc..
[19:13] <remix_tj> kk
[19:14] <cn1109> remix_tj: It does
[19:14] <cn1109> remix_tj: It does give me the same problem
[19:14] <mtsmith> tucemiux: we run a few slices on slicehost using Ubuntu karmic on 128mb. runs a okay... can't do crazy stuff, but normal stuff. just fine.
[19:16] <StrangeCharm> i'm trying to install wordpress on a fresh install of 10.04. i installed lamp with tasksel, but when i try to access wordpress's .php files from a browser, it gives me downloads of text php files, rather than rendering pages. what's going on?
[19:16] <remix_tj> cn1109: are you launching a2ensite with sudo?
[19:16] <cn1109> remix_tj: no. i'm running it as root.
[19:17] <tucemiux> StrangeCharm, sounds like the php is not being executed, maybe it's a permissions issue?  I'm still new at this
[19:17] <StrangeCharm> tucemiux, i don't think that it's permissions
[19:18] <remix_tj> cn1109: sure? this should be a problem related to permissions issues
[19:18] <remix_tj> StrangeCharm: a2enmod php5 ?
[19:18] <cn1109> remix_tj: Just tried it with sudo. Same problem
[19:18] <tucemiux> i'm thinking about installing my web server and ssh server on the same machine, any thoughts on this?  I wont be doing anything resource hungry, just for personal stuff
[19:19] <StrangeCharm> remix_tj, it's already enabled
[19:20] <remix_tj> StrangeCharm: uhm... sure?
[19:20] <remix_tj> cn1109: cd /etc/apache2/sites-available
[19:20] <remix_tj> sudo a2ensite records
[19:20] <remix_tj> records is the filename
[19:20] <remix_tj> it gives me no problem
[19:21] <cn1109> remix_tj: I restarted my server. Now it works. I was actually using the old way and not just going into the dir and using a2ensite
[19:23] <remix_tj> but afaik this should work also without cd
[19:30] <ruben23> hi guys can anyone help with visudo..? i got syntax error when i add up entries on it
[19:32] <SpamapS> ruben23: maybe pastebin the offending lines? http://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:38] <ruben23> http://pastebin.com/W7e9pmp0 <-----------this will say syntax error when i save it form visudo
[19:38] <tucemiux> how should I manage upgrades?  should I use Landscape,  install automatically, or "no automatic updates"??
[19:39] <penguin42> tucemiux: It depends a bit on your circumstances
[19:39] <penguin42> tucemiux: If you manage your machines and watch security issues then you can do noauto and do it yourself - but just make sure you do
[19:39] <penguin42> tucemiux: Install automatically should work - but of course occasionally an update might break something when you aren't watching it
[19:40] <ruben23> SpamapS: ..?
[19:40] <tucemiux> penguin42, so if i pick no automatic updates I can still do the updates manually?
[19:40] <penguin42> yes
[19:40] <tucemiux> can I choose landscape later on?
[19:40] <penguin42> not sure, I don't know how the landscape stuff works
[19:42] <tucemiux> penguin42, how do I update manually?  use sudo apt-get update? O_o
[19:43] <penguin42> tucemiux: Yeh followed by sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:43] <SpamapS> ruben23: ruben All = All you're not specifying what you're allowing ruben to do on all servers.. needs to be ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:44] <tucemiux> penguin42, thanks!  its installing
[19:45] <zul> mathiaz: ping do you need to join ubuntu-server to triage ubuntu-server bugs?
[19:46] <tucemiux> what is the tomcat java server useful for?
[19:47] <ruben23>  SpamapS: yes thats my syntax, but i get error.
[19:47] <SpamapS> zul: I'm a member of ubuntu-server team already btw. ;)
[19:47] <ruben23> when i save it it gets error and when i go bac it will became All=All
[19:48] <zul> SpamapS: oh you might want talk to mathiaz about that then
[19:48] <RoyK> just copy the root line and change it to ruben
[19:49] <SpamapS> zul: is there something that can be turned on that automatically reports bugs when there is a segfault? that guy seems to have a *lot* of segfault bugs.
[19:49] <SpamapS> maybe he has a bad RAM stick
[19:49] <SpamapS> and no error checking
[19:49] <mathiaz> zul: what do you mean by triaging bugs?
[19:49] <mathiaz> zul: the ability to set importance and statuses?
[19:50] <ruben23> SpamapS: see this ------>http://pastebin.com/zSvQz7BM
[19:50] <zul> mathiaz: yeah
[19:50] <mathiaz> zul: you need to be part of the bug-control team IIRC
[19:50] <zul> k
[19:51] <zul> mathiaz: clint doesnt have access so he can do his triaging today
[19:52] <mathiaz> SpamapS: read up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[19:52] <mathiaz> SpamapS: basically you need to be aware of the basic rules about triagging in Ubuntu
[19:52] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I joined bugsquad too.. but not bug control I think
[19:52] <hggdh> zul: are you not a member of -control?
[19:52] <mathiaz> SpamapS: you can then apply to become a member of the bug-control team
[19:53] <SuperLag> mathiaz: but this is SpamapS. I thought he knew *everything* there was to know about anything important?? :D
[19:53] <mathiaz> SpamapS: in order to join you need to show a basic understanding of the bug triaging process
[19:53]  * SuperLag hides
[19:53] <mathiaz> SpamapS: the bar is quite low - it should take you a couple of hours and a couple of bugs
[19:54]  * SpamapS appreciates SuperLag's support
[19:54] <mathiaz> SpamapS: the wiki page outline what needs to be done
[19:54] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I'll get started then. :)
[19:54] <ruben23> SpamapS: got it..?
[19:55] <SpamapS> ruben23: yes but I can't tell which line is 42
[19:55] <zul> hggdh: yeah i am but we are talking about SpamapS here ;)
[19:56] <hggdh> heh. My bad
[19:57] <ruben23> SpamapS: line 42 is ruben.
[19:59] <amstan> hey guys, i'm having issues with the 64bit installer
[19:59] <SpamapS> ruben23: I'm stumped.. it looks fine
[19:59] <amstan> i get to installing base system, near the end
[19:59] <amstan> and i get: base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/kernel/failed-install
[20:16] <zul> oh that sucks gary coleman is dead
[20:18] <SpamapS> first britney murphy, now this.. somebody hide Scott Baio
[20:43] <zul> SpamapS: this would help to make things go faster https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[20:45] <SpamapS> zul: excellent smithers...
[21:28] <elb0w> should I worry about this? postconf: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory
[21:37] <EtienneG> hggdh, just FYI, my earlier suspicion where incorrect
[21:37] <EtienneG> a free range in the current subnet works just fine for public IP
[21:37] <EtienneG> it was a pre-karmic bug, somehow I remained under the impression it would not work
[21:37] <EtienneG> I am verymuch relieved
[21:38] <jackinloadup> Looking for a search tool to place on a fileserver with about 21TB of data. I have looked briefly looked into Gnome Tracker and Beagle, but im not sure if there are other options. Suggestions? Preferably I would like to be able to search on another computer but I will take what I can get.
[21:46] <elb0w> root@mdguru2:/home/gtsafas/GIT/RSIGrid2/SecurityMaster# route add -net 198.140.50.0 netmask 255.255.255.192 gw 10.47.201.174
[21:46] <elb0w> SIOCADDRT: No such process
[21:46] <elb0w> any ideas?
[21:49] <RoyK> elb0w: is 10.47.201 available?
[21:50] <RoyK> if that network isn't available, the gateway isn't either
[21:50] <RoyK> pastebin netstat -rn and ifconfig
[21:52] <hggdh> EtienneG: heh. So am I :-)
[21:54] <elb0w> How can I clear all static routes ive added
[21:55] <elb0w> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[21:55] <elb0w> 10.47.201.174   *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 eth3
[21:55] <elb0w> how can I remove that
[22:05] <penguin42> hmm I wonder why this vm has 102 udevd's running
[22:19] <Method_man_> i have a problem
[22:19] <Method_man_> any one is here
[22:21] <penguin42> state the nature of your ubuntu-server problem
[22:22] <bogeyd6> !anyone | Method_man_
[22:23] <Method_man_> ?
[22:24] <Method_man_> i wants to know the command for opening my ssh acount through. terminal
[22:24] <penguin42> opening?
[22:24] <Method_man_> sory open
[22:24] <webPragmatist> hey guys have any of you attempted to use csync to sync cron.*
[22:24] <guntbert> Method_man_: ssh account@host.name
[22:24] <webPragmatist> and did something like prefixing the scripts with global. maybe?
[22:24] <webPragmatist> or suffix
[22:25] <Method_man_> oki wait dir let me try
[22:27] <webPragmatist> hrm
[22:27] <webPragmatist> is it possible with csync2	 to delete a file if it exists on a slave
[22:27] <Method_man_> humm taking time
[22:27] <Method_man_> do i have to specify the ports?
[22:27] <bogeyd6> try this Method_man_ , ssh username@ipaddress
[22:28] <Method_man_> ip adress?
[22:33] <tucemiux> I can log in locally to my ssh server but I keep getting permission denied from outside on the net ???
[22:36] <penguin42> when you say 'permission denied' at what point exactly do you see that - and is that the actual error?
[22:38] <tucemiux> penguin42, it looks like it's a DNS issue, Im using password login, I type in my password on my laptop using a tethered connection and cant log in, I login from my desktop to the ssh server located locally, type my passwrod in, and im in
[22:38] <penguin42> are you sure you are actually getting to the machine you expect?
[22:39] <bihari> any indian here
[22:40] <tucemiux> penguin42, yes, im getting to the machine, im seeing my banner, I dont think it's a DNS issue :-(
[22:41] <tucemiux> penguin42,  you know what /etc/resolv.conf is for??
[22:41] <penguin42> tucemiux: It tells your machine how to do DNS lookup
[22:41] <webPragmatist> woh
[22:43] <tucemiux> penguin42,  can that be any DNS server? it's currently pointed to 167.206.251.30, dont know why
[22:43] <penguin42> tucemiux: Yes it can, it's normally assigned by DHCP from your router unless you've set it up by hand
[22:44] <tucemiux> penguin42, it looks like that IP is owned by Cablevision so it's legit, im going to change the resolv.conf see if it helps any
[22:46] <tucemiux> penguin42, still no dice!  I have a spanking brand new install, is it a firewall rule that's blocking me from the outside?
[22:46] <penguin42> tucemiux: how exactly are you connecting to your machine?
[22:47] <tucemiux> penguin42,  ssh -p 1111 username@myhostname.here   , I see my banner, then it prompts me for the password, I type in my password and wont let me in while connected from the net
[22:48] <penguin42> well it won't be firewall if it's let you connect that far
[22:50] <tucemiux> Permission denied, please try again.
[22:50] <guntbert> tucemiux: the username is not root?
[22:50] <tucemiux> guntbert, nope
[22:51] <guntbert> tucemiux: was just a thought ..
[22:52] <penguin42> tucemiux: That really is a case of it thinking the password is wrong or the username is wrong
[22:53] <penguin42> although you could check /var/log/auth.log for more info probably
[22:56] <tucemiux> penguin42, can i be logged in twice? One locally, another from the outside?
[22:56] <penguin42> tucemiux: Yes, that's fine
[22:58] <tucemiux> penguin42,  Bind to port 1111 on :: failed: Address already in use
[22:59] <tucemiux> penguin42, it looks like it's pointing to the ssh server im going to demote :-(
[23:01] <tucemiux> sorry, silly me
[23:02] <tucemiux> ok i took down old ssh server down, configured router and rebooted, going to reboot new ssh server as soon as my router is up
[23:04] <bihari> ?
[23:04] <bihari> i have a remote shell
[23:04] <bihari> you know how to make a shell on ubuntu
[23:05] <tucemiux> yes i do
[23:05] <tucemiux> penguin42, thanks i figured it out
[23:05] <norrec> how to you add drivers to the install cd?
[23:26] <penguin42> hmm
[23:33] <norrec> I'm trying to install onto a drive that is attached to a promise tx4 sata controller, however I can't see the drive, the card says its supported by linux and I found that ubuntu has an open source driver for it, but it seems that its not on the install cd, how do you add drivers to the install cd so I can use the drives attached to the add-on card
[23:35] <penguin42> hmm I'm surprised that doesn't work out of the box
[23:49] <Psi-Jack> Has Ubuntu server's virtualization cluster stack gotten easier to use yet?
[23:50] <Psi-Jack> Since 10.04, since I haven't tried it out yet.
[23:51] <penguin42> I've got a bunch of VMs using KVM running, I'm using virt-manager to set them up
[23:51] <MTecknology> Psi-Jack: not sure - but 9.10 is when I started using it heavily and it seemed incredibly easy - 10.04 has a new script for generating vm's - it's ugly to start because of the options but once you build out a generic command for what you want to use it's pretty darned awesome
[23:52] <MTecknology> there's a definite learning curve to it - but i don't really know how you could make it any easier (aside from a "~bug")
[23:53] <Psi-Jack> Well, hmmm.
[23:53] <Psi-Jack> What I plan on doing is this.. I have very basic simple needs.
[23:54] <Psi-Jack> I want to run two virtual machine servers that does firewall/routing at the host OS level, and run two servers in each. Windows 2008R2 Server, and Debian. These will be Windows and Linux based webservers primarily.
[23:54] <MTecknology> don't pass routing off to a vm..
[23:54] <Psi-Jack> I just got done trying out Citrix XenServer, but it failed miserably at the virtual network stack.
[23:54] <Psi-Jack> MTecknology: I'm not. that's why I'd have it done at the host level. Not a guest.
[23:55] <MTecknology> missed that
[23:55] <MTecknology> sounds pretty simple
[23:55] <Psi-Jack> With XenServer, I had to make a router VM, and it failed to even do simple NAT-based LVS directing to servers on the same physical host.
[23:55] <penguin42> Psi-Jack: Doing the host OS firewalling means you're going to have to do some manual work, setting the rest up should be relatively easy
[23:55] <Psi-Jack> penguin42: Yeah. :)
[23:56] <MTecknology> why not do routing on a different system?
[23:56] <MTecknology> take a cheap desktop and put pfsense on it
[23:56] <Psi-Jack> Bleh. I don't like pfsense.
[23:56] <penguin42> MTecknology: Why does he want separate hardware for it - he doesn't need to
[23:56] <Psi-Jack> And the idea is to keep power consumption down.
[23:56] <Psi-Jack> I went from having 14 servers, to 6.
[23:57] <penguin42> Psi-Jack: Have you tried virt-manager?
[23:58] <MTecknology> penguin42: i suppose - i just like being able to leave it up to different systems so anything behind can be very easily changed -
[23:58] <Psi-Jack> I had in the past, yes. It was okay, and relatively simple. But keeping in mind I'm running Windows as workstations and laptops, not Linux, I want it to be relatively easy to manage in the long run, and using X on Windows isn't very pleasant. ;)
[23:59] <penguin42> Psi-Jack: Ah OK, I'm not sure what's available for remote config from windows, if you just want consoles then you can use vnc to get consoles
[23:59] <MTecknology> virsh for cli
[23:59] <MTecknology> virsh is as easy (in my head easier) than virt-manager