[07:08] <jkln> greetings, all.
[07:08] <jkln> anyone here use jm2cv?
[07:09] <holstein> AH
[07:09] <holstein> that on my 'short-list'
[07:09] <holstein> BUT not yet
[07:09] <holstein> i think pipemanmusic over in #opensourcemusic is way into that
[07:09] <holstein> hes not around much though
[07:10] <holstein> OH
[07:10] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians
[07:10] <holstein> ***
[07:10] <holstein> oops
[07:11] <jkln> u talkin to me hostein?
[07:11] <jkln> I'll check it out
[07:11] <holstein> jkln: ^^^
[07:11] <jkln> thanks
[07:11] <holstein> yeah
[07:11] <holstein> areyou using it?
[07:11] <holstein> them?
[07:11] <holstein> whatever it does
[07:11] <jkln> I"m baffled about what command to get it going
[07:12] <holstein> hehe
[07:12] <holstein> me too
[07:12] <jkln> it changes midi into control voltage - for use by non-mixer
[07:12] <holstein> ask over there <<
[07:13] <holstein> in #opensourcemusicians
[07:13] <holstein> i think i was thinking about something else
[07:13] <holstein> theres a MIDI guy
[07:13] <holstein> [lsd]
[07:13] <jkln> I'm there...
[07:13] <jkln> .
[07:13] <holstein> hes always around
[07:13] <holstein> hmmm
[08:18] <Monona> I just compiled zynaddsubfx from source, but now I don't have the instrument banks.  How can I get them?
[12:35] <hairyman> Hi i'm new to this chat und would like to know what you are talking about in this channel ?
[12:41] <Pablo1> not much talk lately
[12:42] <hairyman> hi pablo at least a reaction !
[12:42] <hairyman> So you got some time to talk a bit about ubuntustudio ?
[12:43] <Pablo1> I myself am rather new on this channel but why not, I am a US user
[12:44] <hairyman> ok i'm a germ user ( german)
[12:44] <Pablo1> I am spanish
[12:44] <Pablo1> I meant ubustustudio user :D
[12:45] <hairyman> so what are you doing with ubuntustudio ?
[12:45] <hairyman> now i get it US
[12:45] <Pablo1> I play with hydrogen and ardour, mostly
[12:46] <Pablo1> rakarrack and guitarix too
[12:46] <hairyman> ok so are you a musician ?
[12:46] <Pablo1> and some other apps.
[12:47] <Pablo1> amateur
[12:47] <hairyman> me too . i do play gitarr and base
[12:47] <hairyman> sorry bass
[12:47] <Pablo1> But I haven't released anything yet, I am not good at making music alone
[12:47] <Pablo1> ahm
[12:48] <Pablo1> What apps do you use in US?
[12:49] <hairyman> i use to play in different formations/bands in holland and germany but in the moment i'm on my own as well
[12:50] <Pablo1> cool
[12:50] <hairyman> for recording i used 1rst audacity because i coudn't handle adour jet it quiet tricky to find how to use jackctl
[12:51] <Pablo1> jack is a must, you should learn it, I can help
[12:52] <hairyman> what kind of sound system do you use ! jused normal soundcard , like me , or do you use some of this multicgannel cards ?
[12:53] <Pablo1> I have a m-audio audiophile 2496
[12:53] <Pablo1> it is only 2 cahnnels in and 2 channles out
[12:53] <Pablo1> but yes, it is a very good one
[12:53] <Pablo1> (PCI)
[12:54] <hairyman> talright same tro me exept i can use to different mico channels and an line-in , all stereo
[12:54] <Pablo1> ahm
[12:54] <Pablo1> is it onboard?
[12:54] <hairyman> doyou got any experience with latency settings ?
[12:55] <Pablo1> yes
[12:55] <hairyman> yes it's onboard
[12:55] <Pablo1> but then, you need jack if you want low latency
[12:57] <hairyman> ya , i already used jack and got it running with  rackarack and calf flanger calfchorus hydrogen and jamin and audacity but i'm yet not really happy of it behavior !
[12:58] <Pablo1> jack setup?
[12:59] <Pablo1> have you enabled realtime option?
[13:01] <hairyman> yes while installing the system i decided to use  a low latency sytem and i brought the latency down to approx. 5 ms that works fine, but i'm not so happy with the funktioning of audacity , because i only can here my instrument
[13:02] <hairyman> while in recordmode
[13:02] <Pablo1> audacity is not very jack-firendly
[13:02] <Pablo1> thereis this trick
[13:02] <Pablo1> press record, then press pause
[13:03] <Pablo1> check/make connections
[13:04] <Pablo1> Anyway, Audacity is an editor, not a DAW
[13:04] <hairyman> i did , but after recoding a session you go into playbackmode , that will change all the settings in jackctl ! so i must reroute the audacity connections
[13:05] <Pablo1> I suggest ardour, qtractor or traverso for a simple multitrack recording
[13:05] <Pablo1> Audacity is not a fine tool for making recordings
[13:06] <hairyman> do you know where i can get a usermanual/descreption for adour ?
[13:07] <Pablo1> http://en.flossmanuals.net/ardour/
[13:07] <hairyman> thanks mate !
[13:07] <Pablo1> You will need. options->monitorin->ardour does monitoring
[13:08] <hairyman> one second please
[13:08] <Pablo1> and if mute button doesn't work right click on it
[13:08] <Pablo1> and enable the four options
[13:09] <hairyman> first you start jackctl ? right ?
[13:09] <Pablo1> yes
[13:10] <hairyman> so please give me a second because i use 2 different monitors i would like to have a look if it is ok with you and your time
[13:10] <Pablo1> OK, I have to go, but I have 10 minutes
[13:11] <hairyman> ok juist 1 min.
[13:13] <hairyman> so after starting it asked for driver interface etc and size of buffer , set to 1024 and if i remember right that means a latency above 10 ms ẞ
[13:14] <Pablo1> OK
[13:14] <Pablo1> does it start OK?
[13:15] <hairyman> it started  with a message  info and one error
[13:16] <Pablo1> what error
[13:17] <hairyman> ardour's audio engine is not connected and state saving would lose all I/O connections . Session not saved
[13:17] <Pablo1> :(
[13:18] <Pablo1> ardour is disconnected from jack
[13:19] <Pablo1> are you receiving xruns in qjackctl?
[13:20] <Pablo1> even if ardour is closed?
[13:20] <Pablo1> (red numbers)
[13:21] <hairyman> ok listen ! to mutch stress for right now , because my son came home . I have to do some ckooking ! I gonna read the link you tolled me and maybe i'll can talk to you somehow later ?
[13:22] <Pablo1> I will be here later.
[13:23] <hairyman> ok see you later alligator
[13:23] <Pablo1> :D
[17:58] <ManDay> I've been told that people here can tell me about JACK, ALSA and the equalizer?
[17:59] <holstein> hey na
[17:59] <holstein> ManDay: ^^^
[17:59] <holstein> what do you need to know?
[18:02] <ManDay> holstein, na is no? Well not a lot, basically I'm interested in being told how difficult it would be (and how chances are that all works flawlessly) to set that combi up on a ubuntu 10.4 so I can equalize arbitrary audio
[18:02] <holstein> ManDay: na= oops
[18:03] <ManDay> i don't follow you there but go ahead :)
[18:03] <holstein> a typo
[18:03] <holstein> i F'd up
[18:03] <ManDay> oops = a type?
[18:03] <ManDay> o, even
[18:03] <ManDay> ok nevermind
[18:03] <holstein> an error :)
[18:03] <ManDay> why dont we concentrate on the actual thing :D
[18:03] <holstein> yup
[18:03] <holstein> agreed
[18:04] <ManDay> I've also been told that ubuntustudio ships with this kind of setup - can I thus assume that no one here had to set it up manually?
[18:04] <holstein> you want to add equalization to audio?
[18:04] <holstein> pre-recorded?
[18:04] <holstein> or live?
[18:04] <ManDay> holstein, say I listen to a lot music from flash-plugin (rap1pulsif.com) and I'd like to equalize that because the bassline really annoys me
[18:05] <ManDay> erm
[18:05] <ManDay> holstein, say I listen to a lot music from flash-plugin (rap1pulsif.com) and I'd like to equalize that because the bassline really annoys me
[18:05] <holstein> hmmm
[18:05] <holstein> why dont you just use the hardware on the outside?
[18:05] <holstein> what do you run your computer into?
[18:05] <ManDay> It's a very easy 2.1 speaker setup with no knobs whatsoever
[18:06] <ManDay> volume thats all
[18:06] <holstein> well, theres my suggestion
[18:06] <holstein> go get a better rig
[18:06] <holstein> with EQ
[18:06] <ManDay> haha
[18:06] <ManDay> no
[18:06] <holstein> it will sound better all around
[18:06] <ManDay> Ok man but it's not worth my money - im not a audio spec as you are
[18:06] <holstein> i think you should look into an EQ a the player
[18:06] <ManDay> im just listeing to music and the quality is quite good
[18:06] <ManDay> holstein, its a flash applet!
[18:07] <ManDay> I think JACK is my best option :)
[18:07] <holstein> is there a streaming link?
[18:07] <holstein> nah
[18:07] <holstein> you dont need JACK
[18:07] <holstein> you'd need to get pulse running with JACK
[18:07] <holstein> quite a pain in the ass
[18:07] <holstein> JACK doesnt care about flash
[18:07] <ManDay> holstein, please correct me if im wrong but isn't jack the only known (simple) way to equalize arbitrary sound?
[18:08] <holstein> and flash is unaware of JACK
[18:08] <holstein> NO
[18:08] <ManDay> holstein, flash streams to whatever flash streams to
[18:08] <holstein> JACK itself just routes audio
[18:08] <ManDay> its going through pulse/alsa after all
[18:08] <ManDay> holstein, right, if needed i can route pulse into jack and then jack to alsa
[18:08] <holstein> ManDay: for example
[18:08] <holstein> when i run JACK
[18:08] <holstein> pulse is suspended
[18:08] <holstein> SO
[18:09] <holstein> only pro-audio apps are using the sound server
[18:09] <ManDay> ok many what do you suggest how to equalize arbitrary audio (such as flash) ?
[18:09] <holstein> running pulse into JACK is only recently being looked at
[18:09] <holstein> with decent success
[18:09] <holstein> STILL
[18:10] <holstein> for your purposes
[18:10] <holstein> it WAY overkill
[18:10] <ManDay> NO new rig!
[18:10] <ManDay> THAT would be overkill :P
[18:10] <holstein> you say tomato....
[18:10] <ManDay> If I would not take JACK for anything but rerouting through the equalizer calling it an overkill is relative, he?
[18:10] <ManDay> i say tomato?
[18:10] <holstein> NM
[18:10] <holstein> go for it
[18:10] <ManDay> you speak in riddles
[18:11] <ManDay> well id appreciate any simpler solution
[18:11] <holstein> you'll need to read about the pulse audio-jack bridge
[18:11] <ManDay> but you have yet to name one :D
[18:11] <holstein> yeah
[18:11] <holstein> i dont use flash unless i have to
[18:11] <holstein> and i use JACK for pro audio
[18:11] <holstein> so im thinking
[18:11] <holstein> there should be a pulse solution
[18:12] <holstein> an EQ
[18:12] <holstein> for the pulse server
[18:12] <ManDay> none that id know of. pulse is quite limited
[18:12] <ManDay> its like gedit compared to say... eclipse
[18:12] <ManDay> can do basic things but then
[18:12] <ManDay> unless im missing some fancy config in the bg
[18:12] <ManDay> which might be
[18:13] <ManDay> oh wait
[18:13] <ManDay> google is my friend
[18:13] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[18:13] <holstein> read this
[18:13] <holstein> and let me check around for a pulse EQ
[18:14] <rlameiro> holstein: what is to equalize?
[18:14] <rlameiro> is a file? or realtime?
[18:14] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578
[18:14] <ManDay> realtime of course.
[18:14] <ManDay> holstein, found that too
[18:15] <holstein> rlameiro: realtime from a flash applet :)
[18:15] <ManDay> im going to ask #ubuntu about it
[18:15] <holstein> F flash, i say
[18:15] <ManDay> holstein, ...
[18:15] <ManDay> it's not like i had an option
[18:15] <holstein> what is the applet?
[18:16] <holstein> i use a sockso server sometimes
[18:16] <ManDay> a music player
[18:16] <holstein> http://sockso.pu-gh.com/
[18:17] <holstein> pretty cool little pop-out music plaer
[18:17] <holstein> player
[18:20] <holstein> ManDay: i like this one
[18:20] <holstein> http://exploreubuntu.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/equalizer-for-pulse-audio/
[18:20] <holstein> that looks too easy
[18:21] <holstein> assuming that PPA is still around
[18:21] <holstein> and can be used in lucid
[18:21] <ManDay> looks promising indeed
[18:21] <ManDay> ill harass #ubuntu until someone replies :)
[18:21] <ManDay> ill check out the PPA
[18:22] <holstein> ManDay: you could try #ubuntu-beginners
[18:22] <holstein> not that your a beginner ;P
[18:22] <holstein> its just less busy
[18:22] <ManDay> what a nifty trick, lol
[18:23] <ManDay> its like driving in the right lane and taking over everyone because everyone wants to be fast in the left one
[18:23] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[18:23] <holstein> and if your loco team is active
[18:25] <ManDay> looks nice
[18:25] <ManDay> installing :)
[18:27] <ManDay> hell!
[18:27] <ManDay> it works like a charm
[18:27] <ManDay> now THAT was easy
[18:27] <ManDay> thanks a million holstein
[18:28] <ManDay> pretty amazing
[18:30] <holstein> ManDay: :)
[18:30] <holstein> i knew we'd find the right solution for you
[18:34] <ManDay> yep, i would have gone through all the hassle of getting jack right. cheers!