[05:03] <iamm> hi everyone, people in #ubuntu were busy, is there someone here could help me sort some problems in installing wifi driver... its been 3 days and i'm getting crazy..
[05:04] <iamm> i'm activating Broadcom STA driver from the hardware drivers list
[05:04] <iamm> but gives me error, 'Sorry, installation of this driver failed, please.... details: /var/log/jockey.log
[05:04] <iamm> http://pastebin.com/AJ4cNQNG
[05:05] <iamm> i uninstalled the other B43 wireless or the kernel-source and try to activate the STA
[05:07] <iamm> its quite a pain that xubuntu lucid iso doesn't come w/ the bcmwl-kernel-source, b43-fwcutter, and some others to get my BCM4312 working...
[05:08] <iamm> i just have to download ubuntu lucid iso to get it from there...
[05:08] <iamm> :/
[05:08] <ruien> iamm: hmm, which kernel are you running?
[05:09] <iamm> um, where could i check that, i'm still starting to use linux..
[05:09] <ruien> use "uname -a"
[05:10] <ruien> your output log is saying something like "what you're trying to install was not built for the kernel you are using".. and you really should be using 2.6.32-22-generic
[05:11] <ruien> in other words, simply open a terminal (right-click desktop, "Open Terminal Here") and then type "uname -a"
[05:11] <iamm> Linux jacuzzi-star 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP
[05:12] <iamm> then the date time UTC i686 GNU/Linux
[05:12] <ruien> yeah, i recommend you upgrade the kernel to 2.6.32-22. Normally kernel upgrades aren't necessary but in this case your error message is specifically mentioning it
[05:13] <iamm> mmm how would i be able to upgrade... w/ no wifi...
[05:13] <iamm> i've got ubuntu and xubuntu lucid ISOs
[05:13] <ruien> oh, you're not on a landline right now. so you have two computers?
[05:13] <iamm> yes i'm using my cousin's
[05:14] <iamm> wired wasn't also working trying to get help in #ubuntu but one helping me got out of options..
[05:14] <iamm> because even ethtool wasn't present
[05:15] <ruien> generally every package on ubuntu is available as a .deb, I think, which is a file you could put on a usb stick and copy-paste to your ubuntu install.
[05:15] <ruien> i've never done that for a kernel upgrade and kernel source, though..hmm
[05:15] <iamm> yes, but he said that should be out of package already... inbuilt i guess..
[05:16] <ruien> you can't just connect the laptop to wired internet temporarily and run the appropriate apt-get commands?
[05:16] <iamm> should i again... re-install xubuntu lucid... its taking me days already... :((
[05:17] <ruien> i thought you already have xubuntu-lucid installed.. how would a re-install help?
[05:17] <iamm> because maybe i thought i've messed up some things already, a fresh probably... could helpp
[05:17] <ruien> nah, no need. linux is smart
[05:18] <iamm> we've run the wired yesterday, but it just reads then nothing happens
[05:18] <ruien> you mean you're not even getting internet with a wired connection?
[05:18] <iamm> the network icon at the top, spins like reading, then returns to its orig icon... then that's it... still disconnected...
[05:18] <iamm> yes
[05:19] <ruien> that's odd. wired networks almost *always* work out of the box on ubuntu. I'm assuming you're connecting to a router, right?
[05:19] <iamm> yes.. from a router..
[05:20] <ruien> what type of network card are you using for the wired connection?
[05:21] <iamm> RTL8101E / RTL8012E
[05:23] <ruien> i really think that should be working out of the box. It didn't even work on a fresh install? Is your router doing normal DHCP?
[05:25] <ElTimo> hey, i tried to install xubuntu on top of a kubuntu install using the xubuntu-desktop package, but now i can't log in. all i get when gdm tries to load is a grey screen and no mouse pointer
[05:25] <ruien> "ifconfig" gives you general information on your network card config. It should be listing your wired network adapater as eth0, and it should have some basic info
[05:27] <ElTimo> if anyone has any ideas some help would be nice
[05:27] <ruien> ElTimo: i'm not sure, but it sounds like the computer is failing to locate the window manager. Do you get a window manager if you try to load xfce directly from the commandline with "xfce4-session"?
[05:27] <ElTimo> ruien: it's actually failing to load the login manager itself. all i get is a blank grey screen that fades in from black, rather like gdm does
[05:29] <ElTimo> but startx works fine
[05:29] <ElTimo> i'd just rather not have to hit ctrl+alt+f1, log in, then type startx and then finally be able to use my computer
[05:29] <ruien> how does startx know to load xfce instead of kde now that you have both installed?
[05:29] <ElTimo> i uninstalled kde.
[05:30] <iamm> ruien: http://pastebin.com/gSFwwn2k
[05:31] <ruien> ah, okay. could you just do something like putting "su <your user> -c startx" in your /etc/rc.local?
[05:31] <ruien> which basically just runs the startx command (as you, not as root) when the computer boots (since rc.local is run on boot)
[05:32] <ruien> iamm: looking
[05:32] <ElTimo> essentially, but i just feel like it's cleaner to do it the normal way
[05:33] <ruien> agreed; it would be. Personally i don't know enough about window managers to fix it the right way
[05:33] <ruien> i just installed xubuntu directly and obviously that works out of the box :)
[05:34] <ElTimo> of course
[05:34] <ElTimo> fsck it. i'm going back to lubuntu until i can fix this lol
[05:34] <ruien> good luck
[05:34] <ElTimo> thanks, and thanks for trying to help
[05:34] <ruien> sure
[05:35] <ruien> iamm: maybe i am missing something, but it looks like your eth0 wired adapter is getting a IPv6 address but no IPv4 address.
[05:35] <ruien> other computers are connected behind this router without issue, right?
[05:35] <iamm> should it be IPv4 not the 6?
[05:35] <ruien> yeah, definitely
[05:35] <iamm> yes.. all windows
[05:35] <iamm> ^^
[05:36] <iamm> should it be the driver too?
[05:37] <ruien> well, it's hard to say. I am using a similar network adapter, and it's working out of the box. You *should* have a line that looks like: inet addr:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[05:37] <iamm> btw i'm running the xubuntu side by side with windows.. if that helps :/
[05:37] <ruien> err, 192.168.0.2
[05:37] <iamm> i see
[05:37] <ruien> as a VM, or dual-boot?
[05:38] <iamm> dual boot on one physical HD and divided by partitions..
[05:38] <ruien> it won't affect it then. anyway i gotta take off for lunch, be back later, sorry.. :-/
[05:39] <iamm> alright
[05:47] <Christos``> anyone here i need some help
[05:49] <Christos``> join #ubuntu-irc-helpers
[05:53] <ruien> Anyway, my turn.. I have one hard drive, sda, with sda1 and then sda2 holding logical partitions {sda5, sda6, sda7, and sda8}. My xubuntu installation is on sda1 as it is my main OS. I have a ghost image from a previous solely-windows-xp install that I have imaged onto sda7. Grub2 finds the install, but it does not boot. Does this method have any hope?
[05:57] <ruien> wb iamm
[05:58] <iamm> :) thx
[05:58] <ruien> i meant to ask, with no internet connection, how were you installing the bcmwl-kernel-source module anyway?
[06:00] <iamm> i've downloaded it
[06:00] <ruien> the .deb?
[06:00] <iamm> from the ubuntu package site
[06:00] <iamm> yes
[06:00] <ruien> ohh.. that's the problem. I see now
[06:00] <ruien> you know about dependencies right?
[06:00] <iamm> yes...
[06:00] <iamm> getting familiar with it
[06:01] <iamm> though i've did it one by one .. those
[06:01] <iamm> when it ran error because it needed some files
[06:01] <ruien> i think you missed some
[06:01] <iamm> then download some again
[06:01] <iamm> i see..
[06:01] <ruien> right. I think you need the kernel-sources.. let me see if I can find the package
[06:05] <iamm> i've ran through this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=06c6ee239e7c9752ace5ce73bbaa0805&t=1368699 though its for karmic, i saw for lucid and saw the same package version i've downloaded before
[06:05] <ruien> looking...
[06:05] <iamm> my case applied for liveusb offline, but the xubuntu iso don't have dkms
[06:05] <iamm> only dkpg
[06:07] <iamm> and also, b43 and STA needs to be installed both isn't it? or only one..
[06:07] <ruien> i'm not sure, because when I installed my wireless driver I only did "apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source", had no errors, and it worked. It did have to download dependencies though, and I had an internet connection so it found everything.
[06:08] <iamm> so i've got both dkpg and dkms installed... gee i'm getting cloudy...
[06:09] <ruien> right
[06:09] <iamm> would you walk me through getting the wired working... i guess its the easiest way..
[06:10] <ruien> yeah. Basically, i think you just need to configure the adapter manually, because it's likely the drivers are there
[06:11] <ruien> i'm looking up info on that now
[06:13] <ruien> what error do you get if you try to ping 192.168.0.1 / 192.168.1.1
[06:13] <ruien> no route to host?
[06:14] <ElTimo> okay, i think xubuntu SERIOUSLY needs more work
[06:14] <ElTimo> or at least attention to detail
[06:15] <Sysi> like what?
[06:15] <ruien> iamm: try something like ifconfig etho 192.168.1.105 netmask 255.255.255.0
[06:16] <ElTimo> neither the default gdm theme nor the default settings are installed with the metapackage, and even when they are installed, the settings aren't honored AT ALL
[06:16] <iamm> okay
[06:16] <ElTimo> i have NEVER needed a cigarette when dealing with an ubuntu-based operating system
[06:16] <raevol> hey all, i am looking at the XScreensaver app-defaults file, has xubuntu considered modifying this to make it prettier?
[06:16] <ElTimo> and i damn near just threw my laptop across the room
[06:17] <iamm> ruien, should i be actively connected to the wired while doing so?
[06:17] <bazhang> ElTimo, please calm down
[06:17] <ruien> yes.
[06:17] <ruien> connect to the wired, restart the machine.
[06:17] <ruien> then give me a printout of `ifconfig`
[06:18] <ElTimo> sorry, i'm just appalled that there is so little care taken in an LTS release
[06:18] <iamm> okay brb in a moment
[06:18] <bazhang> ElTimo, you have not said what the issues or errors are; you won't get any help in your current mode.
[06:19] <Datz> Hi, is there any difference between Ubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu-server besides desktop environment?
[06:19] <bazhang> !details | ElTimo
[06:19] <Datz> well, I supposed -server has no envi
[06:19] <Sysi> Datz: no
[06:19] <ruien> Datz: nope
[06:19] <Datz> ok, thanks
[06:19] <bazhang> Datz, they are cli
[06:19] <ElTimo> alright, bazhang i was in here earlier. and if you'd care to read the scrollback, i did mention what my problem was
[06:19] <Datz> why do I get different numbers of modules with lsmod on these different installs?
[06:20] <ElTimo> so before you pull out your prepackaged responses on me, pay some attention
[06:20] <bazhang> ElTimo, please lose the attitude
[06:20] <ElTimo> you first.
[06:20] <ElTimo> don't bother to kick me, i'll leave
[06:20] <ruien> bazhang, i can only second ElTimo in this case
[06:21] <Sysi> i can't
[06:21] <Sysi> let's not make flamewar
[06:21] <ElTimo> i'm not trying for that
[06:21] <Datz> are default config for packages different for Ubuntu/xubuntu?
[06:21] <ElTimo> Datz, yes, that's actually the reason i'm having so many problems lol
[06:22] <Sysi> you have two separate installs in same machine? (why)
[06:22] <Datz> ah
[06:23] <ruien> Datz: yes. What problem are you trying to solve; maybe we can recommend one of them?
[06:24] <Sysi> ElTimo: i think gdm default settings are taken to use when you install xubuntu-artwork and xubuntu-gdm-theme
[06:24] <ElTimo> but not with ubuntu-*?
[06:24] <Sysi> idk about that
[06:24] <Sysi> that' #ubuntu problem then :)
[06:25] <Datz> ruien: no problem, going to move from xubuntu to ubuntu server if resource use in general is the same. I remember someone complaining about apache2 taking up too much ram with -server, they having 320MB RAM.. this machine I want to install is old P3 with 256MB RAM.. wondering if xubuntu is lighter resource wise discounting GUI
[06:25] <ElTimo> yeah good point :P
[06:26]  * ElTimo is currently in his 4th attempt at getting xubuntu to install properly ><
[06:26] <ruien> Datz: ubuntu-server will be MUCH lighter than xubuntu with xfce loaded and such.
[06:26] <Datz> xubuntu with gdm stopped seems very light
[06:27] <Datz> ruien: that's why I say minus GUI
[06:27] <Sysi> anything is pretty light without grapics
[06:27] <iamm> ruien, quite laborous.. error goes something, permission denied, eth0: error while getting interface flags: No such device
[06:27] <ElTimo> ruien, wouldn't ubuntu server have a bunch of server apps running in the background?
[06:27] <Datz> well, I have only 256MB ram
[06:28] <ruien> ElTimo: not really.. I installed a machine from ubuntu-server and it was very barebones
[06:28] <Sysi> with alternate disk you can make barebone cli installation also
[06:29] <ruien> iamm: when you type "ifconfig", you get no output except for the error?
[06:30] <iamm> ruien, for only 'ifconfig' it lists eth0 and lo, with 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.105 netmask 255.255.255.0 it gives that error
[06:31] <ruien> iamm: right. i want to see the output for "eth0" when you just run ifconfig normally, while the wired network is attached.
[06:32] <iamm> ruien, i think its the same w/ the pastebin i've given earlier, but i'll give the lines in a sec...
[06:32] <ruien> okay, i was thinking maybe that pastbin didn't have the wired attached on reboot.
[06:35] <iamm> ruien, http://pastebin.com/jvGHE0dz
[06:36] <iamm> wired was connected when i restarted
[06:37] <ruien> hmm, what happens when you run "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.105 netmask 255.255.255.0" as root?
[06:38] <iamm> means, with 'sudo' ?
[06:39] <iamm> its the same error as above..
[06:39] <iamm> does ddwrt some issues w/ linux clients?
[06:40] <well_laid_lawn> the router doesn't care what os the comps are running
[06:40] <iamm> ...okay :/
[06:42] <ruien> well, that's generally true, assuming the router's protocols have been implemented correctly. Is it a respectable brand?
[06:43] <iamm> linksys router
[06:44] <iamm> this is what i get 3 lines of error http://pastebin.com/qKLn9xCA
[06:45] <well_laid_lawn> you spelt it ehth0 - it is eth0
[06:46] <ruien> iamm: you typed "ehth0"?
[06:47] <raevol> wow why is the image on the unlock screen for screensaver so hard to change...
[06:47] <iamm> ah dang, yes...
[06:47] <raevol> still trying to figure out where it is loaded from
[06:48] <iamm> ruien, no error anymore..
[06:48] <ruien> iamm: okay, there shouldn't be any output. Can you pastebin the output from "ifconfig" again?
[06:49] <iamm> okay one sec
[06:52] <iamm> http://pastebin.com/D46Ah8sQ
[06:53] <ruien> iamm: that *looks* normal now.. can you ping google?
[06:54] <iamm> 'ping google.com', unknown host, checked the icon at the top still disconnected...
[06:55] <ruien> okay, i don't know then. I can only direct you over to #ubuntu...
[06:55] <well_laid_lawn> restart the network
[06:55] <well_laid_lawn> now the cards up
[06:55] <iamm> okay... thanks for the help anyway ruien..
[06:55] <well_laid_lawn> sudo service networking restart
[06:56] <iamm> well_laid_lawn, okay
[06:57] <iamm> restart: unknown instance:
[06:57] <iamm> error
[06:59] <ManicMalkavian> iamm, sudo /etc/init.d/networkign restart
[06:59] <ManicMalkavian> iamm, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:00] <well_laid_lawn> I've just been assuning everyone's on 10.04 lately...
[07:00] <iamm> ManicMalkavian, * Reconfiguring network interfaces... [OK]
[07:00] <ManicMalkavian> does it work now?
[07:01] <ManicMalkavian> ping www.google.com -n 4
[07:02] <iamm> ManicMalkavian, nope, still disconnected
[07:02] <iamm> ping: unknown host www.google.com
[07:03] <ManicMalkavian> ping 58.28.4.2 -n 4
[07:03] <ruien> i think the problem is that I told him how to make the network card listen on, say 192.168.0.105, but that wasn't DHCP-generated, and the card still does not know the default gateway and such
[07:04] <ruien> ManicMalkavian: ping x.x.x.x -c4
[07:04] <ManicMalkavian> aaah i see
[07:05] <ruien> (i know next to nothing on network adapter manual config)
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> should try to ping the router
[07:05] <iamm> all is network unreachable...
[07:06] <iamm> i'll try to restart the system
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> ping -c 3 192.168.1.1
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> for the router
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> do we know if the router is 192.168.0 or 192.168.1
[07:07] <ruien> we don't know.
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> it would help - best to just use dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:07] <ruien> oh, wait. he said it was a linksys router
[07:08] <well_laid_lawn> never used one here...
[07:09] <iamm> um, its still network unreachable
[07:09] <ruien> well on a fresh install of xubuntu, i assumed it would already be attempting to use dhcp automatically.. but that wasn't working (his eth0 had an inet6 addr but no ipv4)
[07:10] <iamm> i'll do another install anyways... it would take less than hour and hopefully i could have the wired working
[07:10] <iamm> thanks guys
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> and with the firmware upgrade to the router is ipv4 enabled?
[07:11] <ruien> good luck iamm.. we tried :-/
[07:11] <iamm> well_laid_lawn... not sure how that works tho..
[07:12] <well_laid_lawn> you would have to connect with the routers interface to check it...
[07:12] <iamm> i see.. i'll still have to check it
[07:13] <iamm> not much of a networker.. :D
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> I onlt know enough to get myself into trouble and sometimes out :]
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> s/onlt/only
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> if another comp can use the router it prob is fine
[07:14] <iamm> thanks well_laid_lawn.. i'll try to reinstall first xubuntu and see if the wired works
[07:15] <well_laid_lawn> k luck
[07:22] <ruien> iamm: there is a guy (JHAY) in #ubuntu with exactly the same problem you are seeing
[07:23] <iamm> thanks ruien
[07:24] <iamm> Slart is familiar, i think he's one of the guys who helped me yesterday with the wired...
[07:25] <iamm> everything goes good just stopped with ethtool
[07:25] <ruien> the guy helping JHAY is "Loshki", so read his responses to jhay and try them yourself
[07:26] <iamm> just sharing..
[07:26] <iamm> thanks
[07:26] <ruien> ok
[07:59] <Allanea> Hey
[07:59] <Allanea> Guys I need urgent help
[07:59] <Allanea> like NOW NOW NOW help
[08:01] <ruien> uh, what's up?
[08:01] <bazhang> Allanea, then ask a question
[08:01] <well_laid_lawn> hard to help not knowing the issue
[08:01] <well_laid_lawn> clues ^^
[08:01] <bazhang> you are crossposting in #ubuntu as well
[08:02] <bazhang> !find chromium
[08:02] <bazhang> !info chromium-browser
[08:02] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[08:02] <bazhang> no need for firefox on that one
[08:04] <Allanea> thanks
[08:04] <Allanea> is there any way to uninstall FF after this is done?
[08:04] <bazhang> same helpers in most major channels
[08:05] <bazhang> sure
[08:05] <bazhang> via the package manager
[08:05] <Allanea> okay?
[08:05] <iamm> hi guys i've reinstalled xubuntu but wired still not working, out of the box..
[08:05] <bazhang> iamm, what chipset
[08:06] <iamm> where could i possibly see that..
[08:06] <iamm> newbie ^^
[08:06] <bazhang> iamm, try lspci if its pci, lsusb if its usb
[08:07] <iamm> i see, lspci chipset for wired?
[08:07] <bazhang> should be yep
[08:07] <Allanea> wow this install is slow as fuck out
[08:08] <bazhang> just type lspci
[08:08] <Allanea> sorry for the cursing
[08:08] <bazhang> Allanea, language please
[08:08] <Allanea> have spent 3 days and 5 empty CDs trying to make the machine work
[08:08] <bazhang> iamm, paste.ubuntu.com with the output and give us the url
[08:08] <Allanea> while also writing my essays on a lappy
[08:08] <Allanea> :)
[08:08] <Allanea> a VISTA lappy
[08:08] <bazhang> Allanea, recent machine
[08:09] <Allanea> 2 years old
[08:09] <bazhang> try unetbootin then boot from usb flash stick
[08:09] <bazhang> no need for CD
[08:11] <iamm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/440728/
[08:11] <bazhang> reading now iamm
[08:11] <Allanea> well the browser is working
[08:12] <bazhang> iamm, what does ifconfig show?
[08:15] <iamm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/440730/
[08:15] <bazhang> iamm, that looks good
[08:16] <bazhang> iamm, now in terminal try sudo dhclient eth0 followed by your user password
[08:18] <bazhang> iamm, I had that same chipset in previous computer, so certainly works
[08:22] <well_laid_lawn> bazhang: sorry to interrupt but there used to be a botlink for intel hd sound fix but I can't for the life of me find it - is it still there?
[08:23] <bazhang> !hdaintel
[08:23] <bazhang> well_laid_lawn, that?
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> bazhang: thnx :]
[08:24] <iamm> hmmn when installing, should the wired be connected? because i didn't....
[08:24] <iamm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/440737/
[08:25] <bazhang> iamm, is the ethernet cable plugged in now?
[08:25] <iamm> yes when i performed the the dhclient
[08:26] <bazhang> that's odd
[08:27] <iamm> when i plugged in the cable, the network icon reads but gets back to disconnected
[08:28] <bazhang> the network manager applet?
[08:28] <iamm> yess at the top..
[08:29] <bazhang> was it still trying to connect when you did that?
[08:29] <bazhang> sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[08:30] <iamm> nope.. just either when i re-plug the cable or select the auto eth0 option on the icon
[08:32] <bazhang> iamm, ok. lets leave that applet alone.
[08:32] <iamm> i'm thinking of fixing the wireless first, but i don't know which of which on the guides i've been through with google
[08:32] <bazhang> iamm, dual boot?
[08:33] <iamm> yes, side by side w/ windows xp
[08:33] <bazhang> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) that's your wireless
[08:33] <bazhang> very well supported in Ubuntu
[08:34] <iamm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=06c6ee239e7c9752ace5ce73bbaa0805&t=1368699&page=2
[08:34] <iamm> could i follow that guide
[08:34] <iamm> instead of karmic though, i'll download the lucid ones..
[08:34] <bazhang> iamm, I seem to recall windows likes to shut down certain wireless devices unless otherwise told
[08:35] <bazhang> what does sudo ifup wlan0 return
[08:36] <iamm> i'm now disconnecting the wired...
[08:37] <bazhang> iamm, taking a break for the night?
[08:37] <iamm> not sure what that means... lolz...
[08:38] <bazhang> iamm, you said you are disconnecting the ethernet cable
[08:38] <iamm> heheh got error: ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. ignoring unknown interface return=return
[08:39] <bazhang> no need to disconnect the ethernet for that command btw
[08:40] <bazhang> iamm, reconnect the ethernet cable and don't use the network manager applet , but instead run the command sudo dhclient eth0  once more
[08:45] <iamm> the same err :(
[09:01] <Arch_NME> hi
[09:01] <Arch_NME> anyone around?
[09:01] <bazhang> hi
[09:02] <Arch_NME> hello baxhang
[09:02] <Arch_NME> I'm having trouble getting xubuntu to install on my toughbook cf-29
[09:02] <bazhang> recent notebook? what errors
[09:02] <Arch_NME> well, actually I finally got it installed but now it freezes on boot
[09:02] <Arch_NME> it's not recent
[09:03] <bazhang> using the live or the alternate
[09:03] <Arch_NME> pentium M 1.4 768 ram
[09:03] <Arch_NME> using alternate
[09:03] <Arch_NME> the live would not work
[09:03] <Arch_NME> got all the way through install on alternate though
[09:03] <bazhang> tried any bootoptions?
[09:03] <Arch_NME> how do I access that?
[09:03] <bazhang> !bootoptions
[09:04] <bazhang> does it get to the login screen?
[09:04] <Arch_NME> no
[09:05] <Arch_NME> it briefly shows the xubuntu logo then goes blank
[09:06] <Arch_NME> this is booting off the HDD
[09:06] <Arch_NME> which I just installed xbuntu to off the alt disk
[09:07] <bazhang> what about in recovery mode
[09:07] <Arch_NME> how do I access that?
[09:07] <bazhang> hold shift at boot
[09:08] <Arch_NME> that got me grub
[09:08] <bazhang> this a dual boot?
[09:08] <Arch_NME> no
[09:08] <Arch_NME> I choose recovery mode
[09:08] <bazhang> yep
[09:09] <Arch_NME> now I have recovery menu
[09:09] <bazhang> several choices, correct?
[09:09] <Arch_NME> options are clean dpkg failsafex grub netroot root
[09:10] <bazhang> I'd try failsafe
[09:10] <Arch_NME> it said now runnign in low graphics mode
[09:10] <Arch_NME> what would oyu like to do
[09:10] <bazhang> what video card
[09:11] <Arch_NME> I think this uses intel grphics
[09:11] <bazhang> lucid 10.04?
[09:12] <Arch_NME> Intel 915GMS Graphic
[09:12] <bazhang> check lspci in terminal to be certain
[09:12] <bazhang> okay
[09:12] <Arch_NME> yeah this is with 10.4
[09:12] <Arch_NME> so run for one session
[09:12] <Arch_NME> pr reconfigure graphics
[09:12] <Arch_NME> pr = or
[09:12] <bazhang> sounds like that's not the issue then
[09:13] <bazhang> you could certainly try though, no harm
[09:13] <Arch_NME> well this is much farther than I have gotten with it before
[09:13] <bazhang> that's positive at least
[09:14] <Arch_NME> Im at desktop now
[09:14] <bazhang> is the system up to date?
[09:15] <Arch_NME> lspci says intel 82852/855gm integrated graphics
[09:15] <Arch_NME> it's a fresh install of an miage I downloaded today
[09:15] <Arch_NME> miage = image
[09:16] <Arch_NME> have not run any updates though as this is the first time I have been able to get it to start
[09:16] <bazhang> might want to update now that you can :)
[09:16] <Arch_NME> perhaps runnign the update will help?
[09:16] <Arch_NME> ok
[09:17] <Arch_NME> 88 available
[09:17] <Arch_NME> installing now
[09:17] <bazhang> great :)
[09:25] <Arch_NME> update download complete now installing
[09:33] <Arch_NME> updates complete restarting system
[09:35] <Arch_NME> and it appears to have frozen again on the same spot
[09:36] <Arch_NME> any other ideas?
[09:42] <gabi_> hello guys, can you tell me how to update xfce 4.6.1 to xfce 4.6.2 in xubuntu 10.04. Thnaks
[09:43] <well_laid_lawn> Arch_NME: I think the boot option suggestion that bazhang posted earlier is your best bet
[09:44] <well_laid_lawn> Arch_NME: I would suggest using   noapic nolapic   as first try for boot options
[09:45] <bazhang> gabi_, why would you need that
[09:45] <Arch_NME> I have started installing ubuntu 9.10
[09:45] <Arch_NME> what's apic though?
[09:47] <gabi_> i don't need it, but I thought it would be useful to have the latest version. If it's not smth. trivial then i will wait for next xubuntu release
[09:47] <bazhang> gabi_, best to wait then
[09:53] <gabi_> ok, thanks
[10:14] <Arch_NME> yeah 9.10 just works
[10:14] <Arch_NME> wtf...
[10:14] <well_laid_lawn> Arch_NME: could be kernel options maybe
[10:15] <Arch_NME> idk...
[10:15] <Arch_NME> you got me
[10:16] <well_laid_lawn> just guessing - i'm a long way from your lappy here
[10:16] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[10:17] <Arch_NME> idk
[10:17] <Arch_NME> I'm just glad I got something working at this point
[10:17] <Arch_NME> I'm using this computer as a navigation system this weekend
[10:18] <Arch_NME> and the sun just rose...
[10:18] <Arch_NME> lol
[10:18] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[10:18] <Arch_NME> don't suppose you know anything about openCPN eh?
[10:19] <well_laid_lawn> never even heard of it sorry :]
[10:20] <Arch_NME> it marine nav software, quite nice actually
[10:21] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like fun
[11:16] <iamm> hello... i'm quite close here w/ the wifi now... i am able to see my SSID but i can't connect to it...
[11:17] <p0a> Hello how do I send a notification to the user using C on xubuntu?
[11:17] <p0a> I've seen the update manager do it
[11:21] <well_laid_lawn> c the programming language?
[11:23] <p0a> yes
[11:24] <well_laid_lawn> that would be root and evey active user afaik - from the kernel up apps use c
[11:25] <p0a> Is root necessary? I think a user can send a message to himself
[11:25] <p0a> message/notification
[11:25] <p0a> I think pidgin does it too
[11:26] <well_laid_lawn> if you type   top   in terminal you will see apps running and the user that started them - root is listed lots 'cause lots of daemons and stuff are written in c
[12:20] <StaRetji> Hello folks, can someone help me out with ssh here
[12:21] <StaRetji> for some reason if I change sshd port to 2222 instead of 22
[12:21] <StaRetji> connection is rejected
[12:21] <StaRetji> same thing works well on ubuntu, so I'm a bit confused
[12:21] <well_laid_lawn> you changed it on the server but not the client?
[12:22] <StaRetji> I just opened sshd_config changed 22 to 2222 restarted deamon, nothing
[12:22] <well_laid_lawn> or is it blocked by the firewall
[12:22] <StaRetji> nopes, it works on another usb stick on the same machine
[12:22] <StaRetji> so, basically, everything is the same
[12:22] <StaRetji> if I put back to 22 it works
[12:22] <well_laid_lawn> sshd is on the "server" - the client comp would default to using 22
[12:23] <StaRetji> so I wonder, if xubuntu has firewall
[12:23] <StaRetji> yeah, i know, but i specify 2222 on the client
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> k
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> !ufw
[12:24] <well_laid_lawn> !info ufw
[12:25] <well_laid_lawn> in terminal do   ps aux | grep ufw   to see if it is running
[12:26] <StaRetji> root@ubuntu:~# ps aux | grep ufw
[12:26] <StaRetji> root      6870  0.0  0.1   1856   608 pts/1    S+   11:26   0:00 grep --color=auto ufw
[12:26] <StaRetji> i tried sudo ufw default allow
[12:26] <StaRetji> same thing
[12:26] <well_laid_lawn> k
[12:26] <StaRetji> once i go back to 22 it works, damn :)
[12:27] <StaRetji> 10 mins ago, i've tried ubuntu it works on 2222, no problem
[12:27] <well_laid_lawn> you could try in #ubuntu-server they might be more familiar with ssh
[12:28] <StaRetji> thx mate, appreciate your help
[12:28] <well_laid_lawn> np
[12:32] <StaRetji> one more question if you don't mind
[12:32] <StaRetji> where do I change menu.lst
[12:32] <StaRetji> or this is different now?
[12:33] <StaRetji> I would like to modify it a bit, as I don't need boot menu anymore, just want default one
[12:33] <well_laid_lawn> r u using 10.04?
[12:33] <StaRetji> yep
[12:33] <well_laid_lawn> !grub2
[12:33] <StaRetji> ok, thx!
[12:33] <well_laid_lawn> no menu.lst anymore
[12:34] <StaRetji> understood
[12:34] <well_laid_lawn> options are moved to diff files
[12:34] <well_laid_lawn> same options - different files for 'em
[12:35] <StaRetji> on to reading ;)
[12:37] <StaRetji> hm, it will be tough, I'm using xubuntu live on usb stick with persistant storage
[12:37] <StaRetji> root@ubuntu:~# /usr/sbin/update-grub
[12:37] <StaRetji> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[12:39] <StaRetji> i tried searching for grub.cfg on usb stick, but there is none
[12:39] <well_laid_lawn> afaik livecd doesn't use grub
[12:39] <StaRetji> exactly
[12:39] <StaRetji> now I have to find where's the boot file
[12:39] <well_laid_lawn> so what is it you want to change?
[12:40] <StaRetji> there boot option, several
[12:40] <well_laid_lawn> boot is syslinux iirc
[12:40] <StaRetji> when I start, it offers whole lot
[12:40] <StaRetji> I just want to leave the one with persistant storage and make it boot instant
[12:41] <well_laid_lawn> !remaster
[13:04] <CuriosTiger> Hi all. So this is just cosmetic, but I discovered that if I enable display compositing (in Window Manager Tweaks), the actual body of my Terminal windows (which had app-specific transparency) goes completely opaque.
[13:08] <schlaftier> CuriosTiger: are you using the xfce4-terminal?
[13:09] <CuriosTiger> yes
[13:09] <schlaftier> CuriosTiger: then it should play along with the Xfce compositing capabilities... just enable transparency in the preferences
[13:10] <CuriosTiger> I did, and it doesn't seem to be playing along
[13:11] <CuriosTiger> it did in 9.10, so this seems to have changed in the latest release. Then again, I did reinstall (rather than upgrade), so it could be a setting issue somewhere
[13:11] <schlaftier> How did you proceed to make it transparent before you enabled Xfce compositing?
[13:12] <CuriosTiger> xfce-terminal preferences -> Appearance -> Transparent background
[13:14] <CuriosTiger> and that works fine with compositing off. It's only when I enable compositing globally that the windows return to being completely opaque (except for the title bar, which does then become transparent as it's supposed to.)
[13:14] <schlaftier> I see. However, that's not real transparency without compositing (it only shows part of the desktop background picture)
[13:14] <CuriosTiger> True. Are you saying I should disable the feature in xfce-terminal and rely only on the global settings?
[13:15] <schlaftier> I can confirm that when I disable and enable transparency, it stays grey.
[13:15] <schlaftier> No, I'm not suggesting you to disable it in xfce4-terminal, because you need it there too
[13:15] <CuriosTiger> well, need and need. It really is just eye candy.
[13:15] <CuriosTiger> But you're right it's not true transparency -- xfce-terminal only shows the background, not other windows behind it for example
[13:15] <schlaftier> Try quitting the terminal and opening it again, worked for me
[13:17] <CuriosTiger> that worked for me too. Danke. :)
[13:17] <CuriosTiger> now it also shows other windows behind it
[13:17] <schlaftier> You're welcome
[13:18] <schlaftier> It uses the default compositing features now
[13:18] <CuriosTiger> neat
[13:18] <CuriosTiger> I just configured it so that it becomes more transparent when inactive
[13:18] <CuriosTiger> seems a good way to tell the active window apart from inactive ones
[13:19]  * CuriosTiger goes through every time he does a fresh install, trying to tweak the desktop "just so"
[13:20] <CuriosTiger> Actually pretty happy with the result right now.
[13:20] <schlaftier> CuriosTiger: there are a couple of new features in each release, so it's worth it... also you don't get bored that way ;-)
[13:21] <CuriosTiger> schlaftier: I was just happy that vmware was quick about releasing a new version of vmware tools this time. That usually takes them a while.
[13:22] <CuriosTiger> (My primary desktop OS at work is win7, but I always have xubuntu running in a virtual machine for easy access to bash, various command-line tools and certain unix/linux utils that are either unavailable or poorly ported to windows)
[13:24] <CuriosTiger> I'm particularly happy to have xfce because compiz fusion doesn't work in vmware (the vmware video driver lacks the necessary support)
[13:27] <schlaftier> Compiz is overkill anyway for me :)
[13:29] <CuriosTiger> for me too
[13:29] <CuriosTiger> but it's nice that xfwm gives me eye candy on emulated graphics :)
[15:55] <chavez> Hi all, I recently upgraded from kubuntu 8.04 to 9.10 and then to 10.04. Removed all kde4 stuff and changed to xfce (minimal xubuntu, with only few apps). Now can't get mouse acceleration to work - xfce settings manager doesn't work, xset mouse 20 2 also
[16:06] <slow-motion> hi
[16:06] <ochosi> !hi
[16:25] <bluds> hi
[16:25] <bluds> anybody can tell me how can i read a compact flash at bit level
[16:55] <frnknstn> what do you mean by 'at bit level'?
[16:56] <frnknstn> something lower than dd would do?
[18:24] <choi> hi what do i do when my kernel has no iso9660 (cdrom) filesystem support?
[19:05] <Kangarooo> hello. im maybe having this problem https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes so first i tyd link whats first in that page. X  freezes . https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze from there i found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen and in bottom theres command sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg and intel_reg_dumper > regdump_good.txt  while working and when not then thrue ssh intel_reg_dumper > regdump_broke.tx
[19:06] <Kangarooo> i just now got again crash and from another pc ssh did that. what more info should i make? some more commands to make crash report? maybe apport ubuntu-bug offline for later uploading but for what package? xorg?
[19:14] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: ? for error when pc has one of theese intel integrated video what bug report should i do? im now in ssh to crashed pc. apport-cli -f -p xorg ? or xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[19:38] <kangarooo1> ok i made offline ubuntu-bug for xorg apport.xserver-xorg-video-intel and apport.xserver-xorg witch one should i report?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: if it is an intel video, use the -intel package
[20:12] <charlie-tca> If it is not intel, use xserver-xorg
[20:12] <knome> charlie-tca, who would be responsible for wacom-related stuff in ubuntu?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> I don't know. bug would be against 'wacom'
[20:13] <knome> i don't want to file a bug. i want to get my hands on that person.
[20:13] <charlie-tca> It is in main, I believe, which normally means desktop
[20:14] <knome> thay've apparently removed the wacomcpl tool, which makes configuring the tablet a nightmare
[20:14] <likemindead> facepalm.jpg
[20:14] <charlie-tca> looking
[20:14] <charlie-tca> says 'Ubuntu X-SWAT'
[20:15] <knome> and that would be?
[20:15] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-lists
[20:15] <knome> irc channel?
[20:15] <charlie-tca> heh... good luck with that one
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu X-SWAT does not use Launchpad. This page was created on 2008-10-06  when the xserver-xorg-input-joystick_1:1.3.2-1ubuntu1 package was uploaded to intrepid/RELEASE.
[20:15] <knome> read that
[20:16] <charlie-tca> oh, maybe that is wrong. That is not in lucid
[20:16] <knome> that?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Oh, same team though for lucid and maverick
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Timo Aaltonen <tjaalton@ubuntu.com>
[20:17] <knome> right...
[20:17] <charlie-tca> ^ ^ published it for lucid
[20:18] <charlie-tca> looks like #ubuntu-x should own it
[20:18] <knome> meh
[20:19] <charlie-tca> it is part of xserver-xorg packages
[20:19] <knome> yes, but the package no longer includes wacomcpl
[20:20] <charlie-tca> timo also has a ppa for it
[20:20] <knome> ò.O
[20:20] <charlie-tca> The X team should be the ones responsible for that, I think
[20:20] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/~tjaalton/+archive/ppa
[20:21] <charlie-tca> bugs for it go here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-wacom
[20:22] <charlie-tca> yup, #ubuntu-x
[20:24] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[20:25] <knome> NOTE: there is no package wacom-tools in Ubuntu 10.04 any more, so you'll have to use your tablet without it.
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Is that the missing package?
[20:27] <knome> yes
[20:27] <knome> and i have no idea why it is dropped
[20:28] <knome> maybe because sabdfl do not want any "complex" gui's in...
[20:28] <knome> this just makes configuring your tablet with dual head a really, really hard job
[20:28] <knome> and i wouldn't want to use time for that kind of stuff
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Well, at least it is an answer
[20:31] <knome> it's a very bad one
[20:31] <knome> and there is no answer, to be exact
[20:31] <knome> i'm just guessing
[20:32] <knome> why would anybody want to drop a package if it makes life uh... really hard for somebody?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> You could ask bryce that one. He is the head guy for xorg, isn't he?
[20:34] <knome> no idea
[20:34] <knome> i'd just like my wacom to work again really
[20:35] <knome> i've been working on this a couple of hours already.
[21:12] <woodworks> hey, i installed ubuntu 9.10 on an old box and decided gnome was just too sluggish, so using some debian dvds and aptitude installed xfce, is this close to what xubuntu does? should i try to get xubuntu installed?
[21:13] <knome> well xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce rather than gnome
[21:13] <charlie-tca> Actually, xubuntu installs xfce along with lightweight applications to try and keep resources required as low as possible
[21:13] <charlie-tca> or what knome said
[21:13] <woodworks> so its pretty much the same? the way i did it?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> What apps does debian install? don't really kniow
[21:13] <woodworks> i mean it runs pretty nice
[21:14] <charlie-tca> If it ain't broke...
[21:14] <woodworks> charlie-tca: my sentiments exactly, thanks for the input guys
[21:16] <likemindead> LOL -- http://bit.ly/9WmQPx
[21:20] <xubuntu778> hi
[21:20] <knome> !hi | xubuntu778
[21:21] <xubuntu778> This is fantastic
[21:21] <likemindead> Yes, it is. :D
[21:21] <xubuntu778> I have internet and system not instaled for all
[21:22] <xubuntu778> before this I was on Kubuntu 9.10
[21:23] <xubuntu778> does have many diferents ?
[21:23] <knome> xubuntu778, xfce instead of kde
[21:24] <xubuntu778> ok
[21:25] <xubuntu778> if I want to use PPPOE did I need to use terminal to create connection or have something else
[21:26] <likemindead> Like for a dial-up connection? :-\
[21:27] <xubuntu778> you mean it's the same way like for dial-up?
[21:29] <xubuntu778> sea you later I need to restart, installation complete
[22:26] <Kangarooo> will command sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat add ppa from https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat ?
[22:28] <Kangarooo> couse in vi /etc/apt/sources.list i dont see anything changed and dont see that ppa added
[22:36] <charlie-tca> nope
[22:37] <charlie-tca> looks to me like it is ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[22:37] <charlie-tca> or ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[22:38] <charlie-tca> depending on which one you wanted
[22:38] <charlie-tca> Go to the website https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat and click on the one you want to use. It will take you to the lauchpad page the tells what to add for that ppa.
[22:42] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: i wanted https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test so i tryd sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-freeze-test and that also didnt add anything
[22:43] <Kangarooo> maybe ubuntu-x-swat/x-freeze-test/ubuntu  ?yes?
[22:43] <Kangarooo> no that also didnt add
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Read that page carefully. It tells you it is ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-freeze-test
[22:45] <charlie-tca> There are two packages in that ppa, both for Jaunty
[22:45] <Kangarooo> and that also didn add. i tryd also deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-freeze-test/ubuntu jaunty main  but since that didnt work i was looking for other ways to add
[22:45] <pahindr> hello
[22:46] <Kangarooo> ah wait
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: are you using jaunty?
[22:46] <Kangarooo> i dont know. 10.04
[22:46] <charlie-tca> !hi | pahindr
[22:46] <charlie-tca> 10.04 is lucid
[22:46] <charlie-tca> jaunty was 9.04
[22:46] <Kangarooo> ah im confused with thouse name :)
[22:47] <charlie-tca> bookmark this page that tells you the name and number - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[22:51] <Kangarooo> ah ok since that package is only for jaunty i cant add that?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> You did add the ppa, but the package will only show up in jaunty
[22:54] <Kangarooo> and also shouldt it show at least that i know its added in that sources.list?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> I am not sure
[22:55] <charlie-tca> think you have to reboot the computer to make it show up, but I could be wrong
[22:55] <Kangarooo> i want to do this full bug report so im folowing steps in https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test since i see that in that list theres that intel-gpu-tools then i dont need that ppa since this package is also in universe
[22:56] <knome> Kangarooo, the ppa probably has a newer version, which you are supposed to be using
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Actually, the ppa is old
[22:57] <knome> then the instructions are probably old as well
[22:57] <slow-motion> n8
[22:58] <Kangarooo> but link to theese instructions i found in page about bugs in newest version
[22:59] <Kangarooo> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes i used first link Xfreezes that goes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze and and end theres info about this page https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test
[23:00] <Kangarooo> ill comunicate with that teams channel #ubuntu-x to make attention to that
[23:00] <knome> if those packages are indeed in the repo's, you don't need the ppa
[23:00] <knome> #ubuntu-x might not be really that responsive...
[23:01] <knome> (don't hold your breath)
[23:02] <Kangarooo> then in step 1 that should be added as comment that for verion that and that skip step 1. but maybe that ppa isnt for step 2 but for some else step but i dont see any other installation step. so then i also totaly asume that step isnt needed
[23:04] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: yes after reboot sources.list wasnt updated so since its ppa for older ver. then that deb command and add-apt-repositorys didnt added or added in somewhere else
[23:04] <charlie-tca> okay
[23:10] <Kangarooo> yes that channel is sleeping. i tryd step 4   4.  `sudo INTEL_DEBUG=batch /etc/init.d/gdm restart` but got error http://pastebin.com/G4UCuFpS so instead of that command i should do restart gdm ?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I can't help with that. I don't know anything about it
[23:12] <Kangarooo> ok ill try as that error said restart gdm
[23:28] <Kangarooo> how thrue ssh execute sh script to run in monitor of that computer?