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scott_evakgraner: I hate to admit this, but I lost the link to the google doc again04:45
scott_evI thought I bookmarked it04:45
akgranerscott_ev, no worries16:44
akgranerAny Fridge Editors around?  If so could someone proof this article :-), please RE Winners of the world Play Day competition - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2046   Thanks in advance :-)16:46
nhandlerakgraner: It looks good. I just got a little confused about what caption went with what picture when I first looked at it. Maybe move the captions closer to the pictures that they describe18:32
akgranernhandler, alrighty :-)  will do :-)19:19
nhandler:)19:20
akgranernhandler, can you refresh and look now?  Let me know if that is better - thanks :-)19:29
nhandlerakgraner: Much better. Go ahead and publish19:30
akgraneroh I closed the gap between the 1st line and the 1st picture as well and too out "Community Winner" at the end of the sentence that describes that, so it reads better now :-/19:32
akgranernhandler, thanks!19:32
akgranernhandler, when does the school year end for you?19:33
nhandlerakgraner: It is pretty much over. I just have one more final on Wednesday19:34
akgraner:-) awesome  - hope it all goes well - Good Luck on your final!19:34
nhandlerakgraner: Thanks. It shouldn't be too bad.19:35
akgranerthe reason I ask is I found some interviews that will need to be added to the interviews page - but not sure when I will have time to do that - will you have some time in two or 3 weeks to work on that?19:35
nhandlerakgraner: You mean the interviews wiki page?19:36
akgranerI have been adding them to my interviews spread sheet - but considering I am only working with one hand these days - it's not my top priority19:36
akgranernhandler, yep - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews19:37
nhandlerakgraner: Yeah, I can update the wiki page. Where are the interviews that need to be added?19:37
akgranerone sec I'll get you the info19:37
akgranernhandler, https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdFA3eGZhcDk1RkFwa2QwV3AyNFdUVGc&hl=en19:38
akgranersheet 119:38
akgranerthe grayed out ones need to be added19:38
akgraneryou should be able to sort by date19:38
akgranerI didn't get all the blip TV ones added to the spreadsheet yet19:39
akgranerInterpid, Jaunty, and Karmic UDS videos still need to be added - I got the links for Lucid and Maverick  - so I'll add them as I get a chance just not sure when that will be :-/19:40
akgranernhandler, thank you!19:41
nhandlerAlright. I can get the grayed out ones added to the wiki this weekend19:41
nhandlerakgraner: Should be all set now. There is still one gray person (kirkland) due to missing a link20:07
akgranernhandler, awesome!  Thank you!20:08
nhandlerakgraner: No problem. That is a very nice spreadsheet you've got there20:08
akgraneryeah - I am not sure what happened to his interview, gotta track it down :-/20:08
ZachK_hey akgraner20:08
akgranerthanks - I love spreadsheets20:08
akgranerZachK_, hey!20:09
akgranernhandler, I'll email you all my interview sheets - just so someone else has all the links in case I get hit by a bus20:09
nhandlerakgraner: That works. Or just share them with me on Google Docs20:10
nhandlernathan.handler [at] gmail [dot] com20:10
akgranernhandler, DOH!20:10
akgraner:-)20:10
nhandler:)20:10
akgranerI'll add you as I access them then :-)20:10
akgranerthanks20:10
akgranerinternalkernel, hey! do you have a few minutes for me?21:03
internalkernelyes, in about five minutes...21:04
akgranerok ping me please :-D21:04
internalkernelakgraner: ping!21:11
akgranerinternalkernel, I apologize in advance - I am only typing with one had so be patient  :-)21:13
internalkerneldare I ask? what are you doing with the other?21:13
akgranerpinched nerve and damager to my rotator cuff in my left arm :-P21:13
ZachK_akgraner: ouch...what the heck did you do that for?21:13
akgranerit's in a sling silly21:13
internalkernelouch... bummer..21:14
akgranerinternalkernel, look at the google doc please21:14
akgranerI want to go through it with you21:14
internalkernelokay21:14
akgranercjohnston, if you are around and want to join in please do21:14
* ZachK_ will join in..not that i'll know what's going on21:15
akgranerZachK_, sure21:15
akgranerdo you still have the google doc link I gave you?21:15
ZachK_akgraner: ah let me see21:16
akgranerwe could do the same with the wiki page but it's easier for me to use the google doc them move stuff21:16
ZachK_akgraner: issue 195?21:16
akgraneryep21:16
ZachK_ok on it21:16
akgranerhere is the link incase anyone else wants to join in - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en21:17
akgranerplease ask questions as I go over all this21:17
akgranerSo we gather links and write summaries on those links during the week (in a perfect world)21:18
ZachK_lol21:18
akgranernormally it gets done on Sundays - which means - the 4 or 5 people working on the newsletter are spending 10 to 12 hours each Sunday to produce the newsletter21:18
ZachK_which is not good21:19
internalkernelright, which we want to balance out...21:19
akgranerSo I set up this google doc as it's easier for me to edit - but you can add to the wiki as well - but then it gets hard to make sure there aren't dups21:19
akgranerso I am asking everyone to use the google doc for now21:20
akgranerscott_ev, ping - if you are around you can join in too21:20
akgranerso I always create an new working google doc on Sunday evening21:20
akgranerand label what goes in where21:20
ZachK_sounds like a good idea akgraner21:21
akgranerthe Welcome, In this Issue and GCN General Community News the editor will add21:21
akgranerso that leaves all the rest of the sections21:21
akgranerso General Community News - is stuff that is of interest to the whole community21:22
akgranerrelease schedules, new members, new apps, UDS etc21:22
akgraneroh please feel free to ask questions during this21:22
akgranerYou'll notice we still use wiki markup on the google doc21:23
akgraneras that makes it easier to cut and paste21:23
akgranerthe next Section is Ubuntu Stats21:23
akgranerwhich is Bug Stats, Translation Stats, and the top 5 Brainstorm Ideas each week21:24
akgranerthose are pretty simple - we provide the link and then it's just reporting the difference between weeks on the Bug and Translation Stats21:25
akgranerthe Brainstorm ones are just the idea and a link to that idea21:25
akgranercjohnston, and Lizar both work on these21:25
internalkernelSo - for clarification on categories... for instance, the news regarding Skype should be in General Community News - or is that more like In the News?21:25
akgranerthat would go into In Other News21:26
akgranerb/c while it effects Ubuntu Users it is not an Ubuntu Application21:26
akgranerdoes that make sense?21:26
ZachK_akgraner: my thought exactly21:26
internalkernelyes, I just wanted to clarify since it's kinda sorta riding the line there...21:27
ZachK_it's not an ubuntu app but it can work on it21:27
akgranernods - but if you add something and it should go somewhere else - I'll just move it - so no biggie21:27
akgranerit is more important to me right now to get more people trained on how and where to add information - so the UWN folks aren't giving up their weekends21:28
internalkernelok, I'll understand it all eventually. :)21:28
ZachK_internalkernel: you new to UWN then?21:28
akgranerinternalkernel, please ask me a million questions if you need to21:28
internalkernelthat'd be cool... and those one-armed people are not having to type all night long...21:29
akgranernods21:29
akgraner:-)21:29
ZachK_we love akgraner21:29
internalkernelZachK_: I am...21:29
* ZachK_ gives akgraner a hug21:29
ZachK_internalkernel: ah cool...21:29
akgranerZachK_, thanks!21:29
* ZachK_ is a bit new still too21:29
akgranerso after the stats21:29
akgranerit's LoCo news21:29
ZachK_internalkernel: akgraner recruited me cause of my UBER awesome wiki skills21:29
ZachK_lol21:29
akgranerright now I pull the LoCo information21:30
internalkernellol... awesome, that's something I'm still working on...21:30
ZachK_internalkernel: wiki skills?21:30
internalkernelyes21:30
akgranerand I know I don't get them all so I have started emailing the loco-contacts list every two weeks or so as a reminder21:30
ZachK_internalkernel: i can help21:30
ZachK_internalkernel: i'm a wiki focus group lead21:30
akgranerso that should help as well21:30
akgranerZachK_, please PM internalkernel your personal wiki page then it will make sense to him :-)21:31
internalkernelI will have many questions, when I have time to deal with my wiki... :)21:31
ZachK_akgraner: roger21:31
akgranerso the LoCo section -21:31
ZachK_internalkernel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZachK_21:32
akgraneris anything that tells about the what the loco teams are doing or have done each week21:32
akgranerthere are times I use google translate so I can write up a summary but I always link to the original source21:32
akgranerand now we have the loco-directory so it is a good source of information as well21:33
akgranerany questions on what goes in the LoCo Section21:34
akgranerMy goal is to eventually have 1 person per section with a back-up and that each person who works on the newsletter knows how to do all the sections21:35
akgranerbut that will come in time21:35
internalkernelmakes sense...21:37
akgranerso the next section is Launchpad news21:37
akgranerthis comes from the Launchpad Blog21:37
internalkernelI'm sure I'll need some more clarification as we go... but I'll ask when I get buggered21:37
akgranercool :-)21:37
akgranerso launchpad is used for more than ubuntu21:38
akgranerso we only summarize and link to the ones about Ubuntu21:38
akgranerunless it is something LP specific that b/c if the nature will effect ubuntu users21:38
ZachK_internalkernel: when akgraner is done with her super awesome presentation pm me so i can talk with you21:39
akgraneragain - the delete key is a great think - I would rather have people put too much information that too little21:39
akgraners/that/than21:39
internalkernelZachK_: sounds good...21:39
akgranerthe next section is for Forums News21:39
ZachK_YEAH!21:40
akgranerthis section is not included in all issues21:40
ZachK_sorry...too much sugar today21:40
akgranerwe have one person who is willing to mentor people on what goes in that section - but often there is nothing in there21:40
akgranerb/c if you are going to add a tutorial/howto21:40
akgranereach step *must* be tested21:41
akgranerI was going to talk to Mike Basinger and Matthew Helmke and see if they have some ideas to beef this section up21:42
akgranerbut for now will go with what we have been doing :-)21:42
ZachK_internalkernel: for example i wrote a tuturial a LONG time back on dualbooting multiple OS's....I had to test each one21:42
ZachK_that ended up to be close to six OS's i think21:42
akgranerso if we are going to give a how to from a source that is unknown it gets tricky21:43
ZachK_internalkernel: what akgraner is saying is TEST and VERIFY your tutorial AND the source of the information21:43
akgranerbut it's still doable so as soon as I have some more information and ideas for this section - I'll get that information added in the comments on both the wiki and google doc21:43
ZachK_correct akgraner?21:44
akgranernods21:44
akgranerany questions about the Forums News Section?21:44
akgranerThe next section is the planet21:45
akgranerthis section is for those post that are all about Ubuntu and don't fit into any other section21:46
akgranerwell sometimes I do put interesting stuff that is not Ubuntu Specific but related21:46
akgraneras you work on UWN you'll understand that better - it's often just a judgment call about where it goes21:47
akgranerany questions21:48
ZachK_none from me21:48
ZachK_i'll be back in 20 minutes21:49
akgranerso "In The Press", In the Blogoshere, and In Other News get tricky sometimes21:49
akgranerbasically  - In the press is the commercial/professional sites that report on Ubuntu things21:49
akgranerthings like Linuxplanet21:50
akgraneror phoronix21:51
akgraneror itmanagement to name a few21:51
akgraneryou can look back through UWN issues say 180 to 194 to get a really good picture of those sites21:51
akgranerIn the blogosphere also includes but not limited to - Personal blog posts about Ubuntu that may or may not be on the planet21:52
internalkernelright...21:52
akgranerworkswithu21:52
akgraneror omgubuntu21:52
akgranerwould go into ITB as well21:53
internalkernelthat's starting to make sense actually21:53
akgranergreat!21:53
akgranerhowever - I am very careful to watch how many links from any one site to use21:53
akgranerif you can find the same information on an Ubuntu Mailing list - I will default to the mailing list21:54
akgraneror if a wiki page with the same info is there I will use that as well21:54
internalkernelright I was trying to dig around some of the news, to find the more reliable source...21:54
akgranernods21:54
akgranerI have spent a lot of time tracking down reliable sources based on a post that wasn't as reliable as it could have been21:55
nhandlerakgraner: You should take this conversation and update the UWN wiki pages ;)21:55
akgranernhandler, yep21:55
akgranerI am working on that :-)21:55
nhandler:)21:56
akgranerall the news wiki's have to be reworked  - ie Fridge and UWN  etc21:56
akgranerit's on the list but need to send so much information out and update the Blueprint from UDS etc..  - then ask for more volunteers :-)21:57
akgranerso that leaves In Other News21:57
akgranerthis is for the Commercial Side of Ubuntu basically21:57
akgranerso Landscape articles would go here21:58
akgraneror the pay for training21:58
akgraneror ZaReason21:58
akgraneror System7621:58
akgraneror stuff that is more Canonical than Ubuntu21:58
akgranermake sense?21:58
internalkernelgot it... all these fine distinctions...21:58
akgraneryep21:58
akgranerand sometimes it's blurry and that's when I usually ping someone who hasn't seen the article and is not working on UWN and ask them what they think21:59
akgraneras sometimes  - we who work on UWN are too close to the product or our own viewpoint to see the line clearly22:00
akgranerbut it's not an exact science, and it is always a work in progress striving to improve the readers experience22:00
akgranerso any questions on ITP, ITB, or ITB22:01
akgranerI will use the acronyms a lot - so I don't have to type out headers all the time22:01
akgranerone sec - my hand is cramping :-/22:02
akgranerBecause we now have  - Ubuntu UK Podcast, OMG!Ubuntu Podcast, Full Circle Podcast, Jono's weekly videocast22:03
akgranerI have added a featured Podcast section22:03
akgranerI'll add a template about each of these so you know what information to fill in22:04
akgranerand what to leave out22:04
internalkernelI don't have any questions, this is all helping to clear up the questions I had - and as I work, I'll just ping and ask...22:04
akgranerit's basically the summary that is on their pages and the links to the various formats that can be downloaded22:04
akgranerI would <em>strongly</em> suggest looking over past issues :-)22:05
akgraneronce a month the next section is Monthly team Reports22:06
akgranernhandler, as a script he runs and pulls this information and drops it in22:07
akgranernhandler, thank you so much for taking ownership of that btw22:07
internalkernelthat's awesome... I love stuff like that22:08
nhandlerakgraner: No problem. I need to send out an email, as I think those are due to go out next Sunday.22:08
akgranernhandler, yeppers22:08
nhandlerFYI, that script is also available in a bzr branch on LP if I am ever away22:08
akgranernhandler, great!  I'll add that to the howto list22:08
nhandlerakgraner: I think it is in the comment on the template22:08
akgranernods22:08
akgranerit is22:08
nhandler:)22:08
akgranerbut many people don't read the comments - or I delete the sections I know won't be used in the upcoming issue22:09
akgranerso upcoming meetings and events22:10
akgranerthese will come from 2 places now22:10
akgranerMonday through Sunday of the upcoming week22:10
akgranerthis is a manual process22:10
akgraneryou just add the Start, End, IRC location, and link to the Agenda for each meeting listed22:11
akgraneryou will also need to check the classroom/learning team calendar as well22:11
akgranerthere is a link on the Fridge to that as well22:11
akgranerso Fridge and Classroom Calendar - all events for the Monday-Sunday of the upcoming week22:12
akgranersimple but time consuming22:12
internalkerneltotally22:12
akgranernext is  - Updates and Security for 6.06, 8.04, 9.04, 9.10, and 10.0422:13
akgranerwe won't add the development release until it hits beta22:13
akgranerwe have a script that pulls this information as well22:13
* nhandler notes the script should probably go in bzr ;)22:14
akgranerhowever, I am working with Leann on the Kernel team to update it so all we have to do is type -s, date, codename22:14
akgranernhandler, nods, once its finished and refined :-)22:14
nhandler:)22:14
akgranerI would also like to have a nice GUI where a person can fill out a form an it gives you the same information22:15
akgranerfor those of us like me who don't always use the command line - but that is a low priority as well22:15
akgranerright now Lizar and cjohnston pull these22:15
akgranerand I look over them to see if there is a difference and then figure out who's is right - it's not a perfect system, and it's really redundant - but these updates and Security items are very important to people22:16
akgranerso it has to be check a couple different ways until I am confident that the new script gives everyone the same information22:17
akgraneragain - work in progress22:17
akgranerand last but not least - Credits22:17
akgranerplease make sure if you help write summaries, add links, meetings, team reports, proof reading etc that you add your name to the list22:18
scott_evakgraner: here.  just finally woke up for several reasons22:19
akgranerthe newsletter is sent to about 10, 000 places - through email, and syndication22:19
akgranerscott_ev, cool - I was just going over a howto22:19
akgranercan someone grap the timestamp for when we began and give it to scott_ev please22:20
akgraner:-)22:20
akgranercrap I really should have used mootbot - oh well next time :-/22:20
akgranerbut I'll update the wiki's and the howto guide as well22:21
internalkernelscott_ev: (16:17:47)22:21
scott_evI'm still waking up22:22
internalkernelno worries... that's what logs are for...22:22
akgranerand b/c people, and other press organizations relay on us publishing every Sunday - we need it to be professional and timely22:22
akgranerrely22:22
akgranereven22:22
akgranerwow22:22
akgranerspelling fail22:22
akgranerso everyone22:22
akgranerso everyone's contribution is important22:23
akgraner*very* important I should say22:23
* internalkernel pats himself on the back...22:23
akgranerI am in the process of emailing the supported derivatives  - such as Kubuntu Edbuntu etc  - to make sure we are including what we need to from those as well22:24
akgranerso during the Maverick cycle we will re'org all this just a little to become more effective and proficient so we work smarter not harder, and give the best information possible22:25
akgranerany questions?22:25
internalkernelsounds good... you run a tight ship.. sometimes I forget you're all military...22:26
akgranerinternalkernel, scott_ev or ZachK_ if you all want to write up some summaries for the links that don't have any - feel free to - and I'll take a look at them in a few hours22:26
akgranerinternalkernel, I rey22:26
akgranertry even22:26
internalkernellol...22:26
akgranerbut always with a smile :-D22:26
internalkernelwell bootcamp is something that sticks with you...22:26
akgranerhere is my working Calendar I use - http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=l08hl8ihoc68adml8jq8q05fsc%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York&pvttk=1b354623d327b9169ff4f66caa5dc31f22:27
akgranerto keep up with what is going on when22:27
akgranerI am going to change it up a little next week so different things are in different colors22:27
akgranernot everything on that Calendar effects the News Team  - but it's Items I have to keep in mind as I am planning things22:28
internalkernelwow, it took you 5 days to recover from UDS... lmao...22:28
internalkernelI love that it's in your calendar22:28
akgraneroh yeah - I was really sick22:29
scott_evakgraner: I need a link to the google doc again - I thought I bookmarked it, but noooooo22:29
akgranerbut if I didn't put it in there I would be trying 6 months from now to figure out why I was not productive that week22:29
scott_evooops,,,,,I see it above22:29
akgranerno worries :-)22:29
akgranerit should be in the pm from me as well22:29
scott_evMy pain meds kept me awake almost all night.  it happen ssometimes22:30
akgranerI know the feeling22:30
akgraneris there anything else before I go away for a little while?22:31
ZachK_who's in the military?22:31
akgranerThere is still some more things I need to add to the Calendar but I think that gives you all a good overview of what's going on around the whole community22:32
akgranerand things to keep in mind etc22:32
akgranerZachK_, I used to be - that's what internalkernel was referencing22:32
ZachK_akgraner: what branch?22:33
akgranerArmy22:34
ZachK_oh sweet22:34
* ZachK_ is trying to get in22:34
ZachK_68W is my preferred MOS22:34
internalkernel98B was mine... but that doesn't exist anymore22:35
ZachK_ah22:35
* ZachK_ has got to go....again......got to get my little bro up22:35
internalkernelIm good akgraner, don't know if I'll have much time to do anything over the next few but I'll try...22:36
internalkernelon show site until June 13th... then HOME!22:36
ZachK_internalkernel: i'll be back in a bit and then i'll run through any questions you had with me ok?22:36
internalkernelI'm far from being able to formulate any questions, but I appreciate the offer... I will definitely look you up when my to-do list gets to that point22:37
ZachK_k22:37
akgraneralso if you all are going to write some summaries22:37
akgraneradd something like (" internalkernel is working on this article") or talk to each other in here about it22:38
akgranerI am going to step away for a few22:38
scott_evakgraner: that link was to a calendar.  May I have the link to the google doc.  I promise to bookmark it22:57

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