[04:45] <scott_ev> akgraner: I hate to admit this, but I lost the link to the google doc again
[04:45] <scott_ev> I thought I bookmarked it
[16:44] <akgraner> scott_ev, no worries
[16:46] <akgraner> Any Fridge Editors around?  If so could someone proof this article :-), please RE Winners of the world Play Day competition - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2046   Thanks in advance :-)
[18:32] <nhandler> akgraner: It looks good. I just got a little confused about what caption went with what picture when I first looked at it. Maybe move the captions closer to the pictures that they describe
[19:19] <akgraner> nhandler, alrighty :-)  will do :-)
[19:20] <nhandler> :)
[19:29] <akgraner> nhandler, can you refresh and look now?  Let me know if that is better - thanks :-)
[19:30] <nhandler> akgraner: Much better. Go ahead and publish
[19:32] <akgraner> oh I closed the gap between the 1st line and the 1st picture as well and too out "Community Winner" at the end of the sentence that describes that, so it reads better now :-/
[19:32] <akgraner> nhandler, thanks!
[19:33] <akgraner> nhandler, when does the school year end for you?
[19:34] <nhandler> akgraner: It is pretty much over. I just have one more final on Wednesday
[19:34] <akgraner> :-) awesome  - hope it all goes well - Good Luck on your final!
[19:35] <nhandler> akgraner: Thanks. It shouldn't be too bad.
[19:35] <akgraner> the reason I ask is I found some interviews that will need to be added to the interviews page - but not sure when I will have time to do that - will you have some time in two or 3 weeks to work on that?
[19:36] <nhandler> akgraner: You mean the interviews wiki page?
[19:36] <akgraner> I have been adding them to my interviews spread sheet - but considering I am only working with one hand these days - it's not my top priority
[19:37] <akgraner> nhandler, yep - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews
[19:37] <nhandler> akgraner: Yeah, I can update the wiki page. Where are the interviews that need to be added?
[19:37] <akgraner> one sec I'll get you the info
[19:38] <akgraner> nhandler, https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AtKZelXU8Y2LdFA3eGZhcDk1RkFwa2QwV3AyNFdUVGc&hl=en
[19:38] <akgraner> sheet 1
[19:38] <akgraner> the grayed out ones need to be added
[19:38] <akgraner> you should be able to sort by date
[19:39] <akgraner> I didn't get all the blip TV ones added to the spreadsheet yet
[19:40] <akgraner> Interpid, Jaunty, and Karmic UDS videos still need to be added - I got the links for Lucid and Maverick  - so I'll add them as I get a chance just not sure when that will be :-/
[19:41] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you!
[19:41] <nhandler> Alright. I can get the grayed out ones added to the wiki this weekend
[20:07] <nhandler> akgraner: Should be all set now. There is still one gray person (kirkland) due to missing a link
[20:08] <akgraner> nhandler, awesome!  Thank you!
[20:08] <nhandler> akgraner: No problem. That is a very nice spreadsheet you've got there
[20:08] <akgraner> yeah - I am not sure what happened to his interview, gotta track it down :-/
[20:08] <ZachK_> hey akgraner
[20:08] <akgraner> thanks - I love spreadsheets
[20:09] <akgraner> ZachK_, hey!
[20:09] <akgraner> nhandler, I'll email you all my interview sheets - just so someone else has all the links in case I get hit by a bus
[20:10] <nhandler> akgraner: That works. Or just share them with me on Google Docs
[20:10] <nhandler> nathan.handler [at] gmail [dot] com
[20:10] <akgraner> nhandler, DOH!
[20:10] <akgraner> :-)
[20:10] <nhandler> :)
[20:10] <akgraner> I'll add you as I access them then :-)
[20:10] <akgraner> thanks
[21:03] <akgraner> internalkernel, hey! do you have a few minutes for me?
[21:04] <internalkernel> yes, in about five minutes...
[21:04] <akgraner> ok ping me please :-D
[21:11] <internalkernel> akgraner: ping!
[21:13] <akgraner> internalkernel, I apologize in advance - I am only typing with one had so be patient  :-)
[21:13] <internalkernel> dare I ask? what are you doing with the other?
[21:13] <akgraner> pinched nerve and damager to my rotator cuff in my left arm :-P
[21:13] <ZachK_> akgraner: ouch...what the heck did you do that for?
[21:13] <akgraner> it's in a sling silly
[21:14] <internalkernel> ouch... bummer..
[21:14] <akgraner> internalkernel, look at the google doc please
[21:14] <akgraner> I want to go through it with you
[21:14] <internalkernel> okay
[21:14] <akgraner> cjohnston, if you are around and want to join in please do
[21:15]  * ZachK_ will join in..not that i'll know what's going on
[21:15] <akgraner> ZachK_, sure
[21:15] <akgraner> do you still have the google doc link I gave you?
[21:16] <ZachK_> akgraner: ah let me see
[21:16] <akgraner> we could do the same with the wiki page but it's easier for me to use the google doc them move stuff
[21:16] <ZachK_> akgraner: issue 195?
[21:16] <akgraner> yep
[21:16] <ZachK_> ok on it
[21:17] <akgraner> here is the link incase anyone else wants to join in - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[21:17] <akgraner> please ask questions as I go over all this
[21:18] <akgraner> So we gather links and write summaries on those links during the week (in a perfect world)
[21:18] <ZachK_> lol
[21:18] <akgraner> normally it gets done on Sundays - which means - the 4 or 5 people working on the newsletter are spending 10 to 12 hours each Sunday to produce the newsletter
[21:19] <ZachK_> which is not good
[21:19] <internalkernel> right, which we want to balance out...
[21:19] <akgraner> So I set up this google doc as it's easier for me to edit - but you can add to the wiki as well - but then it gets hard to make sure there aren't dups
[21:20] <akgraner> so I am asking everyone to use the google doc for now
[21:20] <akgraner> scott_ev, ping - if you are around you can join in too
[21:20] <akgraner> so I always create an new working google doc on Sunday evening
[21:20] <akgraner> and label what goes in where
[21:21] <ZachK_> sounds like a good idea akgraner
[21:21] <akgraner> the Welcome, In this Issue and GCN General Community News the editor will add
[21:21] <akgraner> so that leaves all the rest of the sections
[21:22] <akgraner> so General Community News - is stuff that is of interest to the whole community
[21:22] <akgraner> release schedules, new members, new apps, UDS etc
[21:22] <akgraner> oh please feel free to ask questions during this
[21:23] <akgraner> You'll notice we still use wiki markup on the google doc
[21:23] <akgraner> as that makes it easier to cut and paste
[21:23] <akgraner> the next Section is Ubuntu Stats
[21:24] <akgraner> which is Bug Stats, Translation Stats, and the top 5 Brainstorm Ideas each week
[21:25] <akgraner> those are pretty simple - we provide the link and then it's just reporting the difference between weeks on the Bug and Translation Stats
[21:25] <akgraner> the Brainstorm ones are just the idea and a link to that idea
[21:25] <akgraner> cjohnston, and Lizar both work on these
[21:25] <internalkernel> So - for clarification on categories... for instance, the news regarding Skype should be in General Community News - or is that more like In the News?
[21:26] <akgraner> that would go into In Other News
[21:26] <akgraner> b/c while it effects Ubuntu Users it is not an Ubuntu Application
[21:26] <akgraner> does that make sense?
[21:26] <ZachK_> akgraner: my thought exactly
[21:27] <internalkernel> yes, I just wanted to clarify since it's kinda sorta riding the line there...
[21:27] <ZachK_> it's not an ubuntu app but it can work on it
[21:27] <akgraner> nods - but if you add something and it should go somewhere else - I'll just move it - so no biggie
[21:28] <akgraner> it is more important to me right now to get more people trained on how and where to add information - so the UWN folks aren't giving up their weekends
[21:28] <internalkernel> ok, I'll understand it all eventually. :)
[21:28] <ZachK_> internalkernel: you new to UWN then?
[21:28] <akgraner> internalkernel, please ask me a million questions if you need to
[21:29] <internalkernel> that'd be cool... and those one-armed people are not having to type all night long...
[21:29] <akgraner> nods
[21:29] <akgraner> :-)
[21:29] <ZachK_> we love akgraner
[21:29] <internalkernel> ZachK_: I am...
[21:29]  * ZachK_ gives akgraner a hug
[21:29] <ZachK_> internalkernel: ah cool...
[21:29] <akgraner> ZachK_, thanks!
[21:29]  * ZachK_ is a bit new still too
[21:29] <akgraner> so after the stats
[21:29] <akgraner> it's LoCo news
[21:29] <ZachK_> internalkernel: akgraner recruited me cause of my UBER awesome wiki skills
[21:29] <ZachK_> lol
[21:30] <akgraner> right now I pull the LoCo information
[21:30] <internalkernel> lol... awesome, that's something I'm still working on...
[21:30] <ZachK_> internalkernel: wiki skills?
[21:30] <internalkernel> yes
[21:30] <akgraner> and I know I don't get them all so I have started emailing the loco-contacts list every two weeks or so as a reminder
[21:30] <ZachK_> internalkernel: i can help
[21:30] <ZachK_> internalkernel: i'm a wiki focus group lead
[21:30] <akgraner> so that should help as well
[21:31] <akgraner> ZachK_, please PM internalkernel your personal wiki page then it will make sense to him :-)
[21:31] <internalkernel> I will have many questions, when I have time to deal with my wiki... :)
[21:31] <ZachK_> akgraner: roger
[21:31] <akgraner> so the LoCo section -
[21:32] <ZachK_> internalkernel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZachK_
[21:32] <akgraner> is anything that tells about the what the loco teams are doing or have done each week
[21:32] <akgraner> there are times I use google translate so I can write up a summary but I always link to the original source
[21:33] <akgraner> and now we have the loco-directory so it is a good source of information as well
[21:34] <akgraner> any questions on what goes in the LoCo Section
[21:35] <akgraner> My goal is to eventually have 1 person per section with a back-up and that each person who works on the newsletter knows how to do all the sections
[21:35] <akgraner> but that will come in time
[21:37] <internalkernel> makes sense...
[21:37] <akgraner> so the next section is Launchpad news
[21:37] <akgraner> this comes from the Launchpad Blog
[21:37] <internalkernel> I'm sure I'll need some more clarification as we go... but I'll ask when I get buggered
[21:37] <akgraner> cool :-)
[21:38] <akgraner> so launchpad is used for more than ubuntu
[21:38] <akgraner> so we only summarize and link to the ones about Ubuntu
[21:38] <akgraner> unless it is something LP specific that b/c if the nature will effect ubuntu users
[21:39] <ZachK_> internalkernel: when akgraner is done with her super awesome presentation pm me so i can talk with you
[21:39] <akgraner> again - the delete key is a great think - I would rather have people put too much information that too little
[21:39] <akgraner> s/that/than
[21:39] <internalkernel> ZachK_: sounds good...
[21:39] <akgraner> the next section is for Forums News
[21:40] <ZachK_> YEAH!
[21:40] <akgraner> this section is not included in all issues
[21:40] <ZachK_> sorry...too much sugar today
[21:40] <akgraner> we have one person who is willing to mentor people on what goes in that section - but often there is nothing in there
[21:40] <akgraner> b/c if you are going to add a tutorial/howto
[21:41] <akgraner> each step *must* be tested
[21:42] <akgraner> I was going to talk to Mike Basinger and Matthew Helmke and see if they have some ideas to beef this section up
[21:42] <akgraner> but for now will go with what we have been doing :-)
[21:42] <ZachK_> internalkernel: for example i wrote a tuturial a LONG time back on dualbooting multiple OS's....I had to test each one
[21:42] <ZachK_> that ended up to be close to six OS's i think
[21:43] <akgraner> so if we are going to give a how to from a source that is unknown it gets tricky
[21:43] <ZachK_> internalkernel: what akgraner is saying is TEST and VERIFY your tutorial AND the source of the information
[21:43] <akgraner> but it's still doable so as soon as I have some more information and ideas for this section - I'll get that information added in the comments on both the wiki and google doc
[21:44] <ZachK_> correct akgraner?
[21:44] <akgraner> nods
[21:44] <akgraner> any questions about the Forums News Section?
[21:45] <akgraner> The next section is the planet
[21:46] <akgraner> this section is for those post that are all about Ubuntu and don't fit into any other section
[21:46] <akgraner> well sometimes I do put interesting stuff that is not Ubuntu Specific but related
[21:47] <akgraner> as you work on UWN you'll understand that better - it's often just a judgment call about where it goes
[21:48] <akgraner> any questions
[21:48] <ZachK_> none from me
[21:49] <ZachK_> i'll be back in 20 minutes
[21:49] <akgraner> so "In The Press", In the Blogoshere, and In Other News get tricky sometimes
[21:49] <akgraner> basically  - In the press is the commercial/professional sites that report on Ubuntu things
[21:50] <akgraner> things like Linuxplanet
[21:51] <akgraner> or phoronix
[21:51] <akgraner> or itmanagement to name a few
[21:51] <akgraner> you can look back through UWN issues say 180 to 194 to get a really good picture of those sites
[21:52] <akgraner> In the blogosphere also includes but not limited to - Personal blog posts about Ubuntu that may or may not be on the planet
[21:52] <internalkernel> right...
[21:52] <akgraner> workswithu
[21:52] <akgraner> or omgubuntu
[21:53] <akgraner> would go into ITB as well
[21:53] <internalkernel> that's starting to make sense actually
[21:53] <akgraner> great!
[21:53] <akgraner> however - I am very careful to watch how many links from any one site to use
[21:54] <akgraner> if you can find the same information on an Ubuntu Mailing list - I will default to the mailing list
[21:54] <akgraner> or if a wiki page with the same info is there I will use that as well
[21:54] <internalkernel> right I was trying to dig around some of the news, to find the more reliable source...
[21:54] <akgraner> nods
[21:55] <akgraner> I have spent a lot of time tracking down reliable sources based on a post that wasn't as reliable as it could have been
[21:55] <nhandler> akgraner: You should take this conversation and update the UWN wiki pages ;)
[21:55] <akgraner> nhandler, yep
[21:55] <akgraner> I am working on that :-)
[21:56] <nhandler> :)
[21:56] <akgraner> all the news wiki's have to be reworked  - ie Fridge and UWN  etc
[21:57] <akgraner> it's on the list but need to send so much information out and update the Blueprint from UDS etc..  - then ask for more volunteers :-)
[21:57] <akgraner> so that leaves In Other News
[21:57] <akgraner> this is for the Commercial Side of Ubuntu basically
[21:58] <akgraner> so Landscape articles would go here
[21:58] <akgraner> or the pay for training
[21:58] <akgraner> or ZaReason
[21:58] <akgraner> or System76
[21:58] <akgraner> or stuff that is more Canonical than Ubuntu
[21:58] <akgraner> make sense?
[21:58] <internalkernel> got it... all these fine distinctions...
[21:58] <akgraner> yep
[21:59] <akgraner> and sometimes it's blurry and that's when I usually ping someone who hasn't seen the article and is not working on UWN and ask them what they think
[22:00] <akgraner> as sometimes  - we who work on UWN are too close to the product or our own viewpoint to see the line clearly
[22:00] <akgraner> but it's not an exact science, and it is always a work in progress striving to improve the readers experience
[22:01] <akgraner> so any questions on ITP, ITB, or ITB
[22:01] <akgraner> I will use the acronyms a lot - so I don't have to type out headers all the time
[22:02] <akgraner> one sec - my hand is cramping :-/
[22:03] <akgraner> Because we now have  - Ubuntu UK Podcast, OMG!Ubuntu Podcast, Full Circle Podcast, Jono's weekly videocast
[22:03] <akgraner> I have added a featured Podcast section
[22:04] <akgraner> I'll add a template about each of these so you know what information to fill in
[22:04] <akgraner> and what to leave out
[22:04] <internalkernel> I don't have any questions, this is all helping to clear up the questions I had - and as I work, I'll just ping and ask...
[22:04] <akgraner> it's basically the summary that is on their pages and the links to the various formats that can be downloaded
[22:05] <akgraner> I would <em>strongly</em> suggest looking over past issues :-)
[22:06] <akgraner> once a month the next section is Monthly team Reports
[22:07] <akgraner> nhandler, as a script he runs and pulls this information and drops it in
[22:07] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you so much for taking ownership of that btw
[22:08] <internalkernel> that's awesome... I love stuff like that
[22:08] <nhandler> akgraner: No problem. I need to send out an email, as I think those are due to go out next Sunday.
[22:08] <akgraner> nhandler, yeppers
[22:08] <nhandler> FYI, that script is also available in a bzr branch on LP if I am ever away
[22:08] <akgraner> nhandler, great!  I'll add that to the howto list
[22:08] <nhandler> akgraner: I think it is in the comment on the template
[22:08] <akgraner> nods
[22:08] <akgraner> it is
[22:08] <nhandler> :)
[22:09] <akgraner> but many people don't read the comments - or I delete the sections I know won't be used in the upcoming issue
[22:10] <akgraner> so upcoming meetings and events
[22:10] <akgraner> these will come from 2 places now
[22:10] <akgraner> Monday through Sunday of the upcoming week
[22:10] <akgraner> this is a manual process
[22:11] <akgraner> you just add the Start, End, IRC location, and link to the Agenda for each meeting listed
[22:11] <akgraner> you will also need to check the classroom/learning team calendar as well
[22:11] <akgraner> there is a link on the Fridge to that as well
[22:12] <akgraner> so Fridge and Classroom Calendar - all events for the Monday-Sunday of the upcoming week
[22:12] <akgraner> simple but time consuming
[22:12] <internalkernel> totally
[22:13] <akgraner> next is  - Updates and Security for 6.06, 8.04, 9.04, 9.10, and 10.04
[22:13] <akgraner> we won't add the development release until it hits beta
[22:13] <akgraner> we have a script that pulls this information as well
[22:14]  * nhandler notes the script should probably go in bzr ;)
[22:14] <akgraner> however, I am working with Leann on the Kernel team to update it so all we have to do is type -s, date, codename
[22:14] <akgraner> nhandler, nods, once its finished and refined :-)
[22:14] <nhandler> :)
[22:15] <akgraner> I would also like to have a nice GUI where a person can fill out a form an it gives you the same information
[22:15] <akgraner> for those of us like me who don't always use the command line - but that is a low priority as well
[22:15] <akgraner> right now Lizar and cjohnston pull these
[22:16] <akgraner> and I look over them to see if there is a difference and then figure out who's is right - it's not a perfect system, and it's really redundant - but these updates and Security items are very important to people
[22:17] <akgraner> so it has to be check a couple different ways until I am confident that the new script gives everyone the same information
[22:17] <akgraner> again - work in progress
[22:17] <akgraner> and last but not least - Credits
[22:18] <akgraner> please make sure if you help write summaries, add links, meetings, team reports, proof reading etc that you add your name to the list
[22:19] <scott_ev> akgraner: here.  just finally woke up for several reasons
[22:19] <akgraner> the newsletter is sent to about 10, 000 places - through email, and syndication
[22:19] <akgraner> scott_ev, cool - I was just going over a howto
[22:20] <akgraner> can someone grap the timestamp for when we began and give it to scott_ev please
[22:20] <akgraner> :-)
[22:20] <akgraner> crap I really should have used mootbot - oh well next time :-/
[22:21] <akgraner> but I'll update the wiki's and the howto guide as well
[22:21] <internalkernel> scott_ev: (16:17:47)
[22:22] <scott_ev> I'm still waking up
[22:22] <internalkernel> no worries... that's what logs are for...
[22:22] <akgraner> and b/c people, and other press organizations relay on us publishing every Sunday - we need it to be professional and timely
[22:22] <akgraner> rely
[22:22] <akgraner> even
[22:22] <akgraner> wow
[22:22] <akgraner> spelling fail
[22:22] <akgraner> so everyone
[22:23] <akgraner> so everyone's contribution is important
[22:23] <akgraner> *very* important I should say
[22:23]  * internalkernel pats himself on the back...
[22:24] <akgraner> I am in the process of emailing the supported derivatives  - such as Kubuntu Edbuntu etc  - to make sure we are including what we need to from those as well
[22:25] <akgraner> so during the Maverick cycle we will re'org all this just a little to become more effective and proficient so we work smarter not harder, and give the best information possible
[22:25] <akgraner> any questions?
[22:26] <internalkernel> sounds good... you run a tight ship.. sometimes I forget you're all military...
[22:26] <akgraner> internalkernel, scott_ev or ZachK_ if you all want to write up some summaries for the links that don't have any - feel free to - and I'll take a look at them in a few hours
[22:26] <akgraner> internalkernel, I rey
[22:26] <akgraner> try even
[22:26] <internalkernel> lol...
[22:26] <akgraner> but always with a smile :-D
[22:26] <internalkernel> well bootcamp is something that sticks with you...
[22:27] <akgraner> here is my working Calendar I use - http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=l08hl8ihoc68adml8jq8q05fsc%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York&pvttk=1b354623d327b9169ff4f66caa5dc31f
[22:27] <akgraner> to keep up with what is going on when
[22:27] <akgraner> I am going to change it up a little next week so different things are in different colors
[22:28] <akgraner> not everything on that Calendar effects the News Team  - but it's Items I have to keep in mind as I am planning things
[22:28] <internalkernel> wow, it took you 5 days to recover from UDS... lmao...
[22:28] <internalkernel> I love that it's in your calendar
[22:29] <akgraner> oh yeah - I was really sick
[22:29] <scott_ev> akgraner: I need a link to the google doc again - I thought I bookmarked it, but noooooo
[22:29] <akgraner> but if I didn't put it in there I would be trying 6 months from now to figure out why I was not productive that week
[22:29] <scott_ev> ooops,,,,,I see it above
[22:29] <akgraner> no worries :-)
[22:29] <akgraner> it should be in the pm from me as well
[22:30] <scott_ev> My pain meds kept me awake almost all night.  it happen ssometimes
[22:30] <akgraner> I know the feeling
[22:31] <akgraner> is there anything else before I go away for a little while?
[22:31] <ZachK_> who's in the military?
[22:32] <akgraner> There is still some more things I need to add to the Calendar but I think that gives you all a good overview of what's going on around the whole community
[22:32] <akgraner> and things to keep in mind etc
[22:32] <akgraner> ZachK_, I used to be - that's what internalkernel was referencing
[22:33] <ZachK_> akgraner: what branch?
[22:34] <akgraner> Army
[22:34] <ZachK_> oh sweet
[22:34]  * ZachK_ is trying to get in
[22:34] <ZachK_> 68W is my preferred MOS
[22:35] <internalkernel> 98B was mine... but that doesn't exist anymore
[22:35] <ZachK_> ah
[22:35]  * ZachK_ has got to go....again......got to get my little bro up
[22:36] <internalkernel> Im good akgraner, don't know if I'll have much time to do anything over the next few but I'll try...
[22:36] <internalkernel> on show site until June 13th... then HOME!
[22:36] <ZachK_> internalkernel: i'll be back in a bit and then i'll run through any questions you had with me ok?
[22:37] <internalkernel> I'm far from being able to formulate any questions, but I appreciate the offer... I will definitely look you up when my to-do list gets to that point
[22:37] <ZachK_> k
[22:37] <akgraner> also if you all are going to write some summaries
[22:38] <akgraner> add something like (" internalkernel is working on this article") or talk to each other in here about it
[22:38] <akgraner> I am going to step away for a few
[22:57] <scott_ev> akgraner: that link was to a calendar.  May I have the link to the google doc.  I promise to bookmark it