[02:26] <akgraner> email sent to the list :-)
[02:26] <akgraner> (grrrr enter key)
[02:27] <akgraner> email sent to the list re the winners of the World Play Day Competition
[02:35] <pleia2> yay! :)
[04:07] <elky> http://elkbuntu.net/ubuntuwomen/result.php
[06:48] <MarkDude> That Play Day picture winner is great. Pretty much ALL of them were really cool :)
[08:41] <vish> Pendulum: hi , could you review Bug #25977 [when possible], it seems to be an accessibility issue , but I'm not convinced adding more items to the panel menu is fixing the problem here
[08:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 25977 in gnome-panel (Baltix) (and 3 other projects) "places menu should include the trash as a place (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25977
[08:42] <vish> to the default* panel
[08:42] <Marilow> Hello?
[08:43] <Marilow> i was considering moving from windows to ubuntu or another OS
[08:43] <Marilow> people has recomended me ubunto (and sorry for my limited english)
[08:43] <Marilow> ubuntu*
[08:43] <Marilow> (im not a native speaker, i can read it fine though)
[08:44] <Marilow> also, what it makes it diferent from Dos?
[08:47]  * vish didnt realize we had the -accessibility channel , moves discussion there
[08:47] <Marilow> Uhm... hello'
[08:47] <Marilow> ?
[08:47] <janc_lgm> Marilow: I think it's more useful to compare it to Windows then?
[08:47] <vish> Marilow: hi , wasnt referring to you :)
[08:48] <Marilow> Oh.. okay
[08:48] <Marilow> i have been using windows XP
[08:48] <czajkowski> oh results are in for the competition
[08:48] <Marilow> but im tired of it
[08:48] <Marilow> and if im going to change well, i want to see options
[08:49] <Marilow> i dont know that much about SO, some people has recomended me things but not explained me that much about it
[08:49] <svaksha> Marilow: do you have an ubuntu cd?
[08:49] <Marilow> i hear ubunto was like linux, and that linux wsa like DOS
[08:49] <Marilow> no, i need to purchase one?
[08:49] <svaksha> insert it in your cd drive and follow the installation instructions
[08:50] <Marilow> Oh... where i can get one? im in México :/
[08:50] <czajkowski> Marilow: you can download a copy from ubuntu.com
[08:50] <svaksha> shipit.ubuntu.com <-- ask for one
[08:50] <janc_lgm> or even better, just try the live-cd first
[08:50] <Marilow> Oh let me check out
[08:51] <svaksha> shipit sends it free of cost soask for just one or two
[08:51] <rww> the people in #ubuntu-mx might be able to get you one, also
[08:51] <Marilow> Oh
[08:51] <Marilow> ok
[08:52] <janc_lgm> they might also be able to help you installing, etc.
[08:52] <Marilow> Well i think i download it
[08:52] <Marilow> since i dont think waiting 10 weeks is a good idea
[08:52] <svaksha> it takes a few weeks and if you dont want to wait you can burn an iso via windows and install it too
[08:52] <janc_lgm> if you need help that is
[08:52] <svaksha> ah
[08:53] <Marilow> sounds better, yes
[08:53] <Marilow> i need to format my pc to instalt it though?
[08:53] <svaksha> no
[08:53] <Marilow> so, i should do a back up first?
[08:53] <czajkowski> oh the winner ws from the Irish team :D
[08:53] <svaksha> partition it
[08:53] <czajkowski> yay!!
[08:53] <janc_lgm> backup is always a good idea
[08:53]  * svaksha nods
[08:54] <rww> you can try it out by booting from the CD. it'll start a live environment running off the CD that you can play with
[08:54] <Marilow> Oh... okay ?
[08:55] <svaksha> iirc, you can partition your disk to install a maximum of 4 distros
[08:55] <Marilow> okay
[08:55] <janc_lgm> if you are experienced you can partition it to install >100 distros  ;-)
[08:55] <svaksha> heh
[08:56] <AlanBell> svaksha: there isn't really a limit, I think you are thinking of the physical partition limit, which is why logical partitions were made
[08:56] <valorie> 4 distros, LOL
[08:56] <valorie> I'll bet akk has that many
[08:56]  * svaksha only tried 4 :)
[08:56] <AlanBell> Marilow: where are you from, we can put you in touch with your local team if you like
[08:56] <Marilow> heh
[08:56] <rww> AlanBell: Mexico, hence me pointing at #ubuntu-mx
[08:56] <valorie> I've tried 7
[08:56] <valorie> but not at a time!
[08:56] <Marilow> yeah
[08:56] <Marilow> im already in #ubuntu-mx
[08:57] <AlanBell> ah, ok, didn't spot that rww
[08:57] <Marilow> i ask them later though
[08:57] <Marilow> is kinda late here
[08:57] <Marilow> 3 am
[08:57] <svaksha> valorie: you must have a large hdd :)
[08:57] <AlanBell> breakfast time here
[08:57] <Marilow> i hope this isn't too much like that comic xkcd because that comic is... i dont like it that much
[08:57] <svaksha> no music files to clog the disk
[08:58] <janc_lgm> and here, 1st talk at LGM today starts in 5 minutes or so
[08:59] <janc_lgm> drinking tea...
[08:59] <Marilow> by the way... ubuntu is like mac? that not all the programs work in it? a friend of mine is a designer and not all his programs work in his mac
[09:01] <Marilow> my brother could play his games?
[09:01] <valorie> svaksha: no, I started years ago with a Coleco ADAM
[09:01] <valorie> had a Mac
[09:01] <valorie> etc.
[09:02] <valorie> have never done more than dual boot
[09:02] <valorie> but even then, I've pretty much ignored the win partition
[09:02] <valorie> I just have no use for it
[09:02] <svaksha> coleco adam?
[09:02] <janc_lgm> Marilow: maybe not on Ubuntu, but if you choose the dual boot option during installation, he can use Windows to play games
[09:02] <valorie> Marilow: any OS usually only runs programs for it
[09:03] <valorie> so windows only runs windows programs
[09:03] <valorie> won't run Mac or Linux
[09:03] <valorie> etc.
[09:03] <svaksha> Marilow: not exactly. ubuntu==linux, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[09:03] <AlanBell> Marilow: yes, it is another operating system, like Mac OS X. There are loads of Ubuntu applications, some of which won't run on Windows or Mac OS X
[09:03] <valorie> but one can run most windows programs in WINE
[09:03] <Marilow> Oh
[09:03] <Marilow> Okay i understand
[09:03] <svaksha> generic app extensions like .odt, pdf, doc, etc will work
[09:03] <Marilow> so i better have both installed then
[09:04] <Marilow> i dont need to buy again office right?
[09:04] <svaksha> Marilow: you will need to log into windows to play games (you cant do it via ubuntu, if that is what you meant)
[09:04] <valorie> heh
[09:05] <svaksha> no, you have openoffice installed by default in the ubuntu cd
[09:05] <Marilow> yeah, but for office? to use word
[09:05] <Marilow> oh
[09:05] <Marilow> i see
[09:05] <Marilow> thats nice
[09:05] <valorie> if you want to dual boot, you'll still have windows
[09:05] <svaksha> remember to save with the correct extension ;)
[09:05] <valorie> so you won't lose office, if you prefer that
[09:05] <valorie> I've always preferred open office
[09:06] <Marilow> its diferent?
[09:06] <AlanBell> Marilow: OpenOffice.org is installed by default and works great. Ubuntu also has an application called the Software Centre which is like an appstore, but all the thousands and thousands of apps it contains are free
[09:08] <Marilow> Oh
[09:08] <Marilow> i will check it out when i install it
[09:09] <svaksha> valorie: i also figured after trying out 4 os's that i need to stick to what i liked. rh/fedora reminded me of windows
[09:10] <valorie> well, I loved my ADAM, and my Mac
[09:10] <svaksha> and at some point i wanted to get away from the start button in the bottom-left interface
[09:10] <valorie> not so much Windows, until Win2Kpro
[09:10] <valorie> which was fine
[09:10]  * svaksha is still wondering what is ADAM
[09:10] <alinefr> LOOK MR BUBBLES
[09:10] <alinefr> ADAM
[09:11] <valorie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleco_Adam
[09:11] <valorie> our first puter
[09:11]  * alinefr loves bioshock
[09:11] <valorie> cost us $500, as I recall
[09:11] <valorie> and it played the coleco and nintendo games both
[09:11]  * svaksha never had a mac <--refuse to buy closed h/w unless someone gits me one ;)
[09:11] <valorie> we had many of them, actually
[09:12] <valorie> well, my Mac was an SE 20
[09:12] <svaksha> s/gits/gifts
[09:12] <valorie> 20 megabyte HD!
[09:12] <valorie> sssssssssssssuper!
[09:12] <Marilow> i dont like the mac :/
[09:12] <valorie> gosh I loved that little baby
[09:12] <Marilow> looks nice but something doesnt appealk me
[09:12] <valorie> but it was too slow to really use the internet
[09:13] <valorie> and that was starting to become available
[09:13] <valorie> not the web, yet
[09:13] <valorie> just text
[09:13] <valorie> mostly email and newsgroups
[09:13] <svaksha> my second desktop i helped assemble it so i always look for that freedom. wish i could assemble a laptop too
[09:13] <valorie> it was much too slow to run a browser
[09:13]  * svaksha goes for lunch
[09:14] <valorie> there was no freedom yet, svaksha
[09:14] <valorie> linux hadn't been invented
[09:14] <valorie> or at least, it was still only a kernel
[09:14]  * svaksha didnt have a pc at that time :)
[09:14]  * valorie is OLD
[09:14] <valorie> lol
[09:14] <valorie> my first modem was 200 baud
[09:14] <svaksha> heh,
[09:15] <Marilow> hah
[09:15] <valorie> and cost me $100
[09:15] <Marilow> whats your age? o.o
[09:15] <valorie> and I waited a year for it
[09:15] <Marilow> im just 20
[09:15] <Marilow> :/
[09:15] <janc_lgm> my first was a Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K, which costed about 8000 BEF (~200 EUR)
[09:15] <valorie> just turned 57
[09:15] <janc_lgm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#ZX_Spectrum_16K.2F48K
[09:15] <valorie> my youngest is 21
[09:16] <valorie> I remember the sinclairs
[09:16] <valorie> but I never used one
[09:17] <valorie> coleco had its own OS, but it would also boot into CP/M
[09:17] <valorie> which I learned to use
[09:17] <valorie> a lot like the later DOS
[09:17] <valorie> which was sort of a ripoff of CP/M
[09:17] <Marilow> oh, i see.
[09:18] <valorie> The name "Linux" comes from the Linux kernel, originally written in 1991 by Linus Torvalds
[09:18] <valorie> I was using computers for years before that
[09:18] <Marilow> amazing
[09:19] <Marilow> you are a programer too?
[09:19] <valorie> my mac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_SE/30
[09:19] <valorie> nope
[09:19] <valorie> can't program my way out of a paper bag
[09:19] <valorie> just a user
[09:20] <Marilow> Oh... ok
[09:20] <Marilow> anyone here is a programer? O.o
[09:20] <valorie> I can debug BASIC
[09:20] <valorie> lol
[09:21] <valorie> sure, I think there are lots
[09:21] <valorie> but most are asleep
[09:21] <Marilow> Oh.. most people here is american or european? or mixed?
[09:21] <valorie> very mixed
[09:21] <janc_lgm> mixed, also asian, australian, etc.
[09:21] <valorie> Indian, Aussie, NZ, all over Europe, Canada, the US
[09:21] <Marilow> nice
[09:21] <valorie> sometimes Brazil, Paraguay
[09:22] <valorie> Argentina, I think
[09:22] <rww> according to LP, we have people in 17 timezones
[09:22] <valorie> we have a big empty spot in China and Russia
[09:22] <janc_lgm> brazil too sometimes
[09:23] <Marilow> thats amazing
[09:23] <valorie> IRC is great that way
[09:23] <janc_lgm> valorie: Russian here too sometimes, but not now
[09:24] <valorie> people tend to not come to the English speaking chans if they aren't good in written English
[09:24] <valorie> unfortunately
[09:24] <Marilow> well i dont have problems reading, just my grammar is somewhat bad
[09:25] <valorie> I have a french friend who taught himself English in IRC
[09:25] <valorie> and got a good job where he has to use English
[09:26] <valorie> we welcome everyone here
[09:26] <valorie> but we do speak English
[09:28] <Marilow> oh
[09:28] <Marilow> yeah i dont have problems with it
[09:28] <Marilow> im self thaugh
[09:29] <Marilow> how is spell?
[09:29] <valorie> taught
[09:29] <Marilow> Well, i learn by myself with movies, reading, etc. mostly
[09:29] <valorie> very adventurous!
[09:29] <Marilow> since english in school here is... well
[09:29] <Marilow> very limited
[09:29] <elky> valorie, big empty spots in china and russia can pretty much be expected because afaik, there are big empty spots :)
[09:30] <Marilow> Hello Marilow
[09:30] <Marilow> oh i tried to say "marshall", he left and i didnt noticed
[09:30] <Marilow> heh
[09:30] <valorie> true, elky, but there are lots of people in china
[09:30] <valorie> I don't know that they use IRC
[09:30] <valorie> or can get across the great wall
[09:31] <elky> valorie, they tend to be... somewhat segregated
[09:31] <valorie> it's sad
[09:31] <elky> yeah. also, a lot of places that aren't terribly technical. there's a lot of land to lay internets across
[09:31] <elky> (australia has a similar problem, really)
[09:31] <valorie> I had friends in HongKong who even were constrained in what they could say
[09:32] <valorie> since one man was in HK, while his partner taught on the mainland
[09:32] <valorie> and they knew they could be kept apart
[09:32] <elky> It is sad, yeah
[09:32] <valorie> I was very much hoping that one of the satellite schemes would take off and make money
[09:33] <valorie> but we're not to universal access yet
[09:33] <valorie> by a long shot
[09:34] <elky> satellite internets seems to favour those with enough money to make a pile of bills tall enough to reach the satellites. I hear that's how the data gets up there :P
[09:34] <elky> At least here it's that expensive.
[09:34] <valorie> yes indeed
[09:35] <valorie> but the schemes were supposed to cover the whole planet, and be cheap to access
[09:35] <valorie> cell, internet, voice, etc.
[09:35] <svaksha> .ru and .cn have strong local languages
[09:35] <elky> yeah, in the right hands they would be
[09:35] <janc_lgm> bandwidth is limited for satellite...
[09:35] <valorie> of course, back then traffic was much more limited
[09:35] <svaksha> where ever people are more comfortable in their mother tongue they prefer that over english
[09:35] <valorie> I don't know if satellites are practical
[09:35] <elky> 64kb ought to be enough for anyone :)
[09:35] <valorie> lol
[09:36] <valorie> my ADAM was 80k!
[09:36] <valorie> 16k for graphics
[09:36] <valorie> :-)
[09:36] <elky> heh
[09:44] <svaksha> is #uw invite only?
[09:45] <janc_lgm> apparently
[09:45] <valorie> yes, because there was a whole raft of spammers
[09:45] <valorie> I suppose they are gone now
[09:49] <svaksha> can someone add my nick to the list
[09:51] <janc_lgm> maybe somebody can whitelist the LGM venue's router's public IP too  :)
[09:56] <elky> janc_lgm, did nobody from the conference talk to staff?
[09:58] <janc_lgm> no (and I doubt they have time for that now)
[09:58] <janc_lgm> a thing to remember for a next time I assume
[09:59]  * janc_lgm has to go now
[09:59] <elky> janc_lgm, how much longer is the conf going for?
[09:59] <Marilow> there is no one in #uw
[10:00] <Marilow> (?)
[10:01] <valorie> oh, uw is shorthand for #ubuntu-women
[10:01] <valorie> sorry, I was flummoxed for a minute
[10:02] <svaksha> Marilow: oops:)
[10:03] <Marilow> hehe
[10:03] <Marilow> oh ok
[10:03] <Marilow> Wow this is more full than this one
[10:03] <Marilow> there is a diference? aside frm the name
[10:03] <AlanBell> Marilow: there is more information about the project here http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/
[10:04] <Marilow> ok
[10:04] <Marilow> faved :3
[10:04] <AlanBell> there are two IRC channels, this one which is logged and has all the project related business in it and the other one without -project on the end which is unlogged and for general chatting
[10:05] <Marilow> Oh nice
[10:11] <Marilow> Uhm its me or people is fighting over the other channel?
[10:12] <elky> Marilow, i'm trying to make sure people aren't waiting for the promises of the spam
[10:13] <Tm_T> nor stay around just for fun
[10:14] <Marilow> what promise of the spam? what that means?
[10:14] <Marilow> im not sure if i understand that phrase, though
[10:14] <Marilow> or maybe im out of context
[10:14] <AlanBell> Marilow: unfortunately various idiots try to be disruptive on IRC sometimes
[10:15] <AlanBell> for some reason they don't come here, possibly because it is logged, possibly because it has -project in the name and sounds less like a chatroom
[10:15]  * svaksha thinks because its logged
[10:16] <svaksha> ive noticed that people have less courage to harass and stalk when stuff is archived
[10:17] <elky> svaksha, people also have less courage to discuss their issues when stuff is archived too.
[10:17] <svaksha> yep, that too
[10:18] <Tm_T> ...and people wonders why we are sometimes bit edgy around there
[10:18] <Marilow> Archived in what way?
[10:18] <svaksha> archive lists or logged channels
[10:19] <svaksha> archived*
[10:19] <Tm_T> archived in any public way
[10:19] <svaksha> typos, gah
[10:19] <Marilow> heh
[10:19] <Marilow> oh well... and that channel still has problems with this people?
[10:19] <Marilow> or they are already solved
[10:20] <Marilow> i see you are discussing it, so i guess is not all that over yet
[10:20] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/29/%23ubuntu-women-project.html
[10:20] <Tm_T> ..wrong channel: there's always problems, I'm afraid
[10:20] <Marilow> nice
[10:21] <AlanBell> Marilow: the two channels have a lot of the same people in them and are both part of the same Ubuntu Women project, they just have a slightly different focus
[10:21] <Marilow> i understand
[10:21] <elky> we like to be about to counsel each other without it all being archived by google forever :)
[11:30] <janc_lgm> elky: until Sunday noon (it's Saturday noon now)
[11:30] <elky> janc_lgm, still worth it then. go ask in freenode, they'll help you fix it for the next day