[14:36] olla pablo1 que tall ! hairyman is back .yesterday i didn't have anough time to read all the ardour stuff , but i'm really happy about the link you send me . thanks !!! [14:42] so pablo1 , you might be not online or reading . I gonna keep studying the adour manual , and then i might talk to you again . see ya . [15:20] hi [15:21] hairyman: I am glad I heped you! Tchüss [19:16] hi [19:16] hey bluenode [19:16] I have a question about main difference between ubuntu studio and standard ubuntu [19:17] in kernel [19:17] the short answer is [19:17] nothing [19:17] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation [19:17] but this "low latency" [19:17] you might learn something from reading this [19:17] the kernel section [19:18] AFAIK [19:18] ubuntustudio 10.04 ships with a generic kernel [19:18] thanks [19:18] bluenode: i suggest to users [19:18] I have been using ubuntu studio 7.04 [19:18] that they try the generic one [19:18] and then move up as needed [19:18] if latency is an issue [19:19] bluenode: thats great, are you on lucid now? [19:19] in 7.04 i noticed the faster response [19:19] I am now on 8.04 [19:19] LTS [19:19] cool [19:19] hardy is pretty sweet [19:20] and going to install 10.04 in hours [19:20] but will make dual boot with 8.04 [19:20] hope you enjoy [19:20] bluenode: i think thats a great idea [19:20] keep the old OS around for backup [19:20] many programs i use are working with strange configurations in 8.04 [19:21] so i suspect that new system will not run them [19:21] but recently all new versions of software requires new libraries [19:22] i guess that depends on the apps [19:22] some of them really have not changed much in years [19:22] others are TOTALLY differetn [19:22] different* [19:22] i use more graphics than audio [19:22] AH [19:22] for example wacom [19:23] well, i think you'll find the updates very helpful [19:23] i feel thats where the most developement has been noticable [19:23] BUT i have no first hand experience really [19:23] * holstein is an audio guy [19:24] i am graphics [19:24] but need audio for projects [19:24] -not for recording from environment [19:24] im interested in what you think [19:24] only softsynth [19:25] coming from the last LTS to the new one [19:25] let us know :) [19:25] ok i will report [19:25] but i have on my hdd downloaded only ubuntu "standard" 10.04 [19:26] and must download studio version, [19:26] check out [19:26] !vanilla [19:26] To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [19:26] the only thing that bother me is "standarization" with normal ubuntu [19:26] you can use the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromHardy [19:26] the compilation and software writing [19:26] hardy upgrade info [19:27] upgrade - means that the new system will download on top of 8.04? [19:27] i usually do sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video linux-rt [19:27] nah [19:27] - i will rather burn new dvd [19:28] you can add whatever metapackages you want to the normal lucid install [19:28] i tried this once, but this broke my system [19:28] yeah? [19:28] i have edubuntu, xubuntu, and ubuntu desktops [19:28] on one system [19:29] and this was too much [19:29] you dont have to get the ubuntu studio desktop [19:29] the themes [19:29] thats what borked it [19:30] i say [19:30] the ubuntustudio-desktop metapackage [19:30] that is possible. [19:30] bascially [19:30] you can just install what you want/use [19:30] sudo apt-get install blender ardour jack linux-rt [19:30] that kind of thing [19:30] i wish to avoid redundancy [19:31] thats all ubuntu studio is basically [19:31] a bundle of packages [19:31] these packages from synaptic, [19:31] and this kernel latency? [19:31] from synaptic [19:31] is only needded for external audio? [19:31] or apt [19:32] however your comfotable searching/installing [19:32] bluenode: you probably dont need the linux-rt package [19:32] that was just an example [19:32] im just saying, you can download aind install only the software you use [19:33] i use lmms [19:33] for anything audio [19:33] and audacity [19:33] thats a great example [19:33] i dont think lmms is in the metapackage anyways [19:33] this is rather minimal, but lmms is very user-friendly [19:34] with low effort someone can make track that resemble takkyu ishino music:P [19:34] SO you can do sudo apt-get install lmms blender audactiy [19:34] my audio is only for "background" [19:34] ok. [19:35] you dont need the 1GB+ of audio apps that you dont use [19:35] there is so many... [19:35] yup [19:36] all kinds of plugins [19:36] ubuntu studio is offical, openartistlinux is not- [19:36] it uses 9.10 [19:37] just thinking [19:38] thats something to consider [19:38] i am dedicated ubuntu user [19:38] :) [19:38] earlier i used mandrake [19:39] then switched to ubuntu around 7.04 studio [19:39] thats about when i found it too [19:40] 7.04 alllowed me to plug my wacom [19:40] without any problems, standard ubuntu required fightting with xorg.conf [19:40] interesting [19:40] -of course i will let know how it work in 10.04 [19:41] you can probably find those changes somewhere [19:41] ALSO [19:41] maybe the RT kernel was more friendly or updated [19:41] at that time [19:42] it was very responsive [19:42] much more than 8.04 [19:42] the wacom i plugged in just worked [19:43] bluenode: i think the bloat came to a head somewhere around jaunty [19:43] lucid is pretty snappy again i find [19:43] i will test it around beginning of next week - too much things to archivize now [19:44] oh and rendering issues [19:44] i almost forgot about it [19:44] ubuntu studio is generally "geared to audio" [19:44] ? [19:45] not really [19:45] its trying to be for all artist really [19:46] just a collection of common audio, video and graphics packages [19:46] and some tweaks here and there [19:46] LIKE the network manager is removed [19:46] and the art and themes are usually very nice [19:46] even though i dont use them [19:46] i simply render from command line. [19:46] cool [19:47] ok i must fly away now, but will return for small report about experiences with 10.04 [19:48] good luck [19:48] thanks:)