[14:36] <hairyman> olla pablo1 que tall ! hairyman is back .yesterday i didn't have anough time to read all the ardour stuff , but i'm really happy about the link you send me . thanks !!!
[14:42] <hairyman> so pablo1 , you  might  be not  online  or reading  . I gonna keep studying the adour manual , and then i might talk to you again . see ya .
[15:20] <Pablo1> hi
[15:21] <Pablo1> hairyman: I am glad I heped you! Tchüss
[19:16] <bluenode> hi
[19:16] <holstein> hey bluenode
[19:16] <bluenode> I have a question about main difference between ubuntu studio and standard ubuntu
[19:17] <bluenode> in kernel
[19:17] <holstein> the short answer is
[19:17] <holstein> nothing
[19:17] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[19:17] <bluenode> but this "low latency"
[19:17] <holstein> you might learn something from reading this
[19:17] <holstein> the kernel section
[19:18] <holstein> AFAIK
[19:18] <holstein> ubuntustudio 10.04 ships with a generic kernel
[19:18] <bluenode> thanks
[19:18] <holstein> bluenode: i suggest to users
[19:18] <bluenode> I have been using ubuntu studio 7.04
[19:18] <holstein> that they try the generic one
[19:18] <holstein> and then move up as needed
[19:18] <holstein> if latency is an issue
[19:19] <holstein> bluenode: thats great, are you on lucid now?
[19:19] <bluenode> in 7.04 i noticed the faster response
[19:19] <bluenode> I am now on 8.04
[19:19] <bluenode> LTS
[19:19] <holstein> cool
[19:19] <holstein> hardy is pretty sweet
[19:20] <bluenode> and going to install 10.04 in hours
[19:20] <bluenode> but will make dual boot with 8.04
[19:20] <holstein> hope you enjoy
[19:20] <holstein> bluenode: i think thats a great idea
[19:20] <holstein> keep the old OS around for backup
[19:20] <bluenode> many programs i use are working with strange configurations in 8.04
[19:21] <bluenode> so i suspect that new system will not run them
[19:21] <bluenode> but recently all new versions of software requires new libraries
[19:22] <holstein> i guess that depends on the apps
[19:22] <holstein> some of them really have not changed much in years
[19:22] <holstein> others are TOTALLY differetn
[19:22] <holstein> different*
[19:22] <bluenode> i use more graphics than audio
[19:22] <holstein> AH
[19:22] <bluenode> for example wacom
[19:23] <holstein> well, i think you'll find the updates very helpful
[19:23] <holstein> i feel thats where the most developement has been noticable
[19:23] <holstein> BUT i have no first hand experience really
[19:23]  * holstein is an audio guy
[19:24] <bluenode> i am graphics
[19:24] <bluenode> but need audio for projects
[19:24] <bluenode> -not for recording from environment
[19:24] <holstein> im interested in what you think
[19:24] <bluenode> only softsynth
[19:25] <holstein> coming from the last LTS to the new one
[19:25] <holstein> let us know :)
[19:25] <bluenode> ok i will report
[19:25] <bluenode> but i have on my hdd downloaded only ubuntu "standard" 10.04
[19:26] <bluenode> and must download studio version,
[19:26] <holstein> check out
[19:26] <holstein> !vanilla
[19:26] <bluenode> the only thing that bother me is "standarization" with normal ubuntu
[19:26] <holstein> you can use the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromHardy
[19:26] <bluenode> the compilation and software writing
[19:26] <holstein> hardy upgrade info
[19:27] <bluenode> upgrade - means that the new system will download on top of 8.04?
[19:27] <holstein> i usually do sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video linux-rt
[19:27] <holstein> nah
[19:27] <bluenode> - i will rather burn new dvd
[19:28] <holstein> you can add whatever metapackages you want to the normal lucid install
[19:28] <bluenode> i tried this once, but this broke my system
[19:28] <holstein> yeah?
[19:28] <bluenode> i have edubuntu, xubuntu, and ubuntu desktops
[19:28] <bluenode> on one system
[19:29] <bluenode> and this was too much
[19:29] <holstein> you dont have to get the ubuntu studio desktop
[19:29] <holstein> the themes
[19:29] <holstein> thats what borked it
[19:30] <holstein> i say
[19:30] <holstein> the ubuntustudio-desktop metapackage
[19:30] <bluenode> that is possible.
[19:30] <holstein> bascially
[19:30] <holstein> you can just install what you want/use
[19:30] <holstein> sudo apt-get install blender ardour jack linux-rt
[19:30] <holstein> that kind of thing
[19:30] <bluenode> i wish to avoid redundancy
[19:31] <holstein> thats all ubuntu studio is basically
[19:31] <holstein> a bundle of packages
[19:31] <bluenode> these packages from synaptic,
[19:31] <bluenode> and this kernel latency?
[19:31] <holstein> from synaptic
[19:31] <bluenode> is only needded for external audio?
[19:31] <holstein> or apt
[19:32] <holstein> however your comfotable searching/installing
[19:32] <holstein> bluenode: you probably dont need the linux-rt package
[19:32] <holstein> that was just an example
[19:32] <holstein> im just saying, you can download aind install only the software you use
[19:33] <bluenode> i use lmms
[19:33] <bluenode> for anything audio
[19:33] <bluenode> and audacity
[19:33] <holstein> thats a great example
[19:33] <holstein> i dont think lmms is in the metapackage anyways
[19:33] <bluenode> this is rather minimal, but lmms is very user-friendly
[19:34] <bluenode> with low effort someone can make track that resemble takkyu ishino music:P
[19:34] <holstein> SO you can do sudo apt-get install lmms blender audactiy
[19:34] <bluenode> my audio is only for "background"
[19:34] <bluenode> ok.
[19:35] <holstein> you dont need the 1GB+ of audio apps that you dont use
[19:35] <bluenode> there is so many...
[19:35] <holstein> yup
[19:36] <holstein> all kinds of plugins
[19:36] <bluenode> ubuntu studio is offical, openartistlinux is not-
[19:36] <bluenode> it uses 9.10
[19:37] <bluenode> just thinking
[19:38] <holstein> thats something to consider
[19:38] <bluenode> i am dedicated ubuntu user
[19:38] <holstein> :)
[19:38] <bluenode> earlier i used mandrake
[19:39] <bluenode> then switched to ubuntu around 7.04 studio
[19:39] <holstein> thats about when i found it too
[19:40] <bluenode> 7.04 alllowed me to plug my wacom
[19:40] <bluenode> without any problems, standard ubuntu required fightting with xorg.conf
[19:40] <holstein> interesting
[19:40] <bluenode> -of course i will let know how it work in 10.04
[19:41] <holstein> you can probably find those changes somewhere
[19:41] <holstein> ALSO
[19:41] <holstein> maybe the RT kernel was more friendly or updated
[19:41] <holstein> at that time
[19:42] <bluenode> it was very responsive
[19:42] <bluenode> much more than 8.04
[19:42] <holstein> the wacom i plugged in just worked
[19:43] <holstein> bluenode: i think the bloat came to a head somewhere around jaunty
[19:43] <holstein> lucid is pretty snappy again i find
[19:43] <bluenode> i will test it around beginning of next week - too much things to archivize now
[19:44] <bluenode> oh and rendering issues
[19:44] <bluenode> i almost forgot about it
[19:44] <bluenode> ubuntu studio is generally "geared to audio"
[19:44] <bluenode> ?
[19:45] <holstein> not really
[19:45] <holstein> its trying to be for all artist really
[19:46] <holstein> just a collection of common audio, video and graphics packages
[19:46] <holstein> and some tweaks here and there
[19:46] <holstein> LIKE the network manager is removed
[19:46] <holstein> and the art and themes are usually very nice
[19:46] <holstein> even though i dont use them
[19:46] <bluenode> i simply render from command line.
[19:46] <holstein> cool
[19:47] <bluenode> ok i must fly away now, but will return for small report about experiences with 10.04
[19:48] <holstein> good luck
[19:48] <bluenode> thanks:)