[00:19] <ChrisWoollard> Yay, I like Ubuntu forums. They just wished me happy birhtday.
[00:29] <c7p> if it's your birthday, best wishes Chris :D
[00:29] <c7p> night all
[00:29] <ChrisWoollard> it is :)
[00:29] <ChrisWoollard> thanks
[00:30] <c7p> have a nice day ;)
[00:30] <c7p> bye
[06:19] <humphreybc> someone's torrenting our manual, and it has 21 seeders!
[06:19] <humphreybc> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5550350/Getting_Started_with_Ubuntu_10.04
[06:20] <humphreybc> when you search "ubuntu" on the pirate bay, it's the 5th result if organized by number of seeders
[06:28] <godbyk> interesting.
[06:28] <godbyk> I figured as small as it was, it wasn't worth torrenting.
[06:29] <humphreybc> yeah
[07:26]  * ubuntujenkins wonders why 5mb is worth torrenting
[09:31] <humphreybc> godbyk, flan!
[11:30] <Surst1> hey ho :)
[11:52] <humphreybc> hey
[12:01] <Surst1> @humphreybc, i've got two question about the style of the manual
[12:01] <manualbot> Surst1: Error: "humphreybc," is not a valid command.
[12:01] <humphreybc> Surst1: sure
[12:02] <Surst1> don't know if you remember, last time i told you, that the \application-command uses wrong quotation-marks
[12:02] <Surst1> i was wrong, it's the \window-command
[12:02] <humphreybc> right
[12:03] <Surst1> is it possible to fix it?
[12:03] <humphreybc> you'll have to talk to godbyk
[12:03] <Surst1> ok, I will
[12:04] <Surst1> the second: is there a reason, why the digits in ethX are in mathematical-mode, for example eth$0$?
[12:04] <Surst1> doesn't look good, in my opinion
[12:07] <humphreybc> not sure, another one to ask godbyk
[12:08] <Surst1> ok :)
[12:08] <Surst1> thank you so far, going to write an E-Mail^^
[12:09] <humphreybc> okay
[12:15] <Surst1> bye
[12:27] <nisshh> humphreybc: i have an idea
[12:27] <humphreybc> nisshh: an idea to help me with f**king python?
[12:28] <nisshh> humphreybc: no, hehe, its to do with how much i contribute (or will be) since my chapter is getting taken out
[12:28] <nisshh> of the manual
[12:29] <humphreybc> oh rihgt
[12:29] <nisshh> humphreybc: i assume its still getting taken out for maverick?
[12:29] <humphreybc> the terminal stuff, right?
[12:29] <nisshh> yes, chapter 6
[12:31] <nisshh> humphreybc: well, iv been thinking really hard about ways in which i can contribute, currently iv chosen to be the "maintainer" of the glossary and index
[12:31] <nisshh> but id like to do more
[12:31] <nisshh> since the glossary and index take barely any time at all
[12:32] <humphreybc> sure
[12:32] <nisshh> now, i dont know any other languages so thats out of the question
[12:32] <nisshh> i have no grammatical skills to speak of so editing is not for me either
[12:33] <nisshh> BUT, i have been watching what godbyk has been doing with latex, and iv noticed that he is ALWAYS busy
[12:33] <humphreybc> he is always busy
[12:34] <nisshh> maybe i could learn from godbyk, and become proficient with latex
[12:35] <nisshh> that way, godbyk would not always be swamped by latex related stuff
[12:35] <humphreybc> latex is okay, tex is what he writes in
[12:35] <humphreybc> you could always ask :)
[12:35] <nisshh> yes, tex
[12:35] <humphreybc> or maybe do all the easy tasks that he does, like bug triaging and fixing
[12:35] <nisshh> yea maybe
[12:35] <nisshh> there are alot of bugs arent there
[12:37] <humphreybc> yes
[12:37] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea, ok, ill fix bugs in the manual
[12:37] <humphreybc> you could always learn python
[12:37] <humphreybc> then you'd know how it feels...
[12:37]  * nisshh knows python already
[12:37] <humphreybc> quickshot?
[12:38]  * nisshh is not THAT good with python
[12:38] <nisshh> i looked at the quickshots code and could not understand it much
[12:38] <humphreybc> lol
[12:39] <nisshh> heres an example of what i can do: https://edge.launchpad.net/pytask
[12:40] <humphreybc> help me with this shit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/441722/
[12:40] <nisshh> ^^^^^^ uses couchdb
[12:41] <nisshh> whats wrong with it?
[12:41] <humphreybc> it doesn't work?
[12:41] <nisshh> ah, i think there is heaps of stuff like this in the python docs
[12:41] <humphreybc> nisshh: this is my new project https://launchpad.net/about-ubuntu
[12:42] <nisshh> humphreybc: and this code is for that is it?
[12:42] <humphreybc> no, this is study for a lab test tomorrow
[12:43]  * nisshh wonders if he should help humphreybc with his uni stuff...
[12:44] <nisshh> give me a minute and ill grab some info from the python docs for you, there is a whole section on string manipulation in there
[12:46] <humphreybc> I have so much of this shit to work through that i'm being tested on tomorrow
[12:46] <humphreybc> and because I went to UDS I missed all the freakin' labs for this stuff
[12:47] <nisshh> aw, thats bad
[12:48]  * nisshh takes pity on humphreybc 
[12:48] <nisshh> humphreybc: so which part of that code doesnt work, it looks ok to me apart from the last few lines
[12:49] <humphreybc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/441726/
[12:49] <humphreybc> it fails the last two doctests
[12:50] <nisshh> your going to have to explain it better, i dont even know what a doctest IS
[12:52] <humphreybc> so a doctest just parses in some shit, and an expected result
[12:52] <humphreybc> good for testing functions
[12:52] <humphreybc> so it gives you some examples if you will
[12:52] <nisshh> right
[12:52] <humphreybc> it's very good for testing students, coz they can give you some stuff and expected results, and you have to write the function to make it pass
[12:55] <nisshh> ah, ok, so if they give you the word apple, and an expected result of 'aple' then you have to write a function that will give you that result?
[12:56] <nisshh> humphreybc: ^^^^
[12:56] <humphreybc> yep
[12:56] <nisshh> ah, this is easy
[12:57] <nisshh> theres an example in the python docs that does exactly this im pretty sure
[13:02] <humphreybc> i'm about to kill myself so you better find that example quick!
[13:05] <nisshh> humphreybc: arrhharhahrhar, hang on i cant find it, iv gotta eat something, in the meantime (i mean, so you dont kill yourself) have a look here: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Python/String-Manipulation/
[13:06] <nisshh> ill be back in 5 minutes
[13:08] <humphreybc> nisshh: i finally got it working with the help of the people in #python, 40 minutes later, http://paste.ubuntu.com/441734/
[13:11] <nisshh> cool
[13:11]  * nisshh was going to suggest that exact code anyway :)
[13:12] <humphreybc> lol
[13:12] <humphreybc> nisshh: what about these ones
[13:12] <humphreybc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/441735/
[13:12] <humphreybc> i've got the first and last functions going okay
[13:12] <humphreybc> the middle two, "common_elements" and "remove_section" I don't know what to do with though
[13:13] <nisshh> humphreybc: ok, hang on sec im getting swamped trying to talk to 8 people at the same time
[13:13] <humphreybc> well aren't we Mr popular
[13:13] <nisshh> haha ver funny
[13:15] <humphreybc> I think i'm going to have to call it a night
[13:17] <nisshh> ok
[13:17] <humphreybc> have a look at my about ubuntu window thing
[13:24] <nisshh> i did, its interesting, but why wouldnt you just try and get it into ubuntu?
[13:28] <nisshh> humphreybc: since it looks like you are just trying to improve whats in ubuntu already, thats what i would do
[13:31] <nisshh> d0od: are you the d0od from omgubuntu?
[13:39] <d0od> nisshh: I am
[13:39] <d0od> nisshh: don't throw rotten fruit at me xP
[13:43]  * humphreybc is trying to find some more nice themes... but nothing's coming close to what i've currently got
[13:45] <nisshh> d0od: no, i read omgubuntu every day
[13:45] <nisshh> :)
[13:45] <nisshh> humphreybc: what do you currently have?
[13:50] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/desktop.png
[13:51] <humphreybc> anyone know how to get rid of that crappy arrow thing that appears over the gnome menu icon?
[13:52] <d0od> if you use Shutter you can choose whether to have the cursor show or not
[13:52] <humphreybc> i know
[13:53] <humphreybc> you know how there are two main menus
[13:53] <humphreybc> there is the default one that has "Applications Places System"
[13:53] <humphreybc> and then there is another
[13:53] <humphreybc> the one with just the ubuntu logo
[13:53] <d0od> ooooh
[13:53] <d0od> i see
[13:53] <humphreybc> but it has a big fat fugly drop-down arrow
[13:53] <humphreybc> I don't want that crap, I just want the icon
[13:54] <d0od> is the arrow on the icon image itself y'think?
[13:54] <humphreybc> I don't think so :(
[13:54] <humphreybc> I think it's part of the applet
[13:54] <d0od> boo
[13:54] <d0od> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4697/
[13:54] <humphreybc> love it
[13:55] <d0od> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=733808
[13:55] <humphreybc> you have to re build gnome-panel from source?
[13:55] <d0od> go to last page
[13:56] <humphreybc> ahhh
[13:56] <humphreybc> yay
[13:56] <humphreybc> if there is a will, there's a way
[13:56] <humphreybc> or, if it can be done, someone would have done it before you and it'll be on the internet...
[13:56] <d0od> lemme know if it works cos that's a tip dying for a post
[13:57] <humphreybc> where's .gtk-rc?
[13:57] <humphreybc> I can't find it
[13:57] <humphreybc> is it in a new folder or some shit
[14:01] <humphreybc> I can't find it
[14:01] <humphreybc> gGRRR
[14:02] <nisshh> humphreybc: do you hate buttons on the left?
[14:03] <humphreybc> nisshh: No, I just don't see any need for them there right now.
[14:03] <humphreybc> d0od: Okay, I just created my own .gtkrc-2.0 file and added that shit in, did a killall gnome-panel and it worked. But now I have some other funky block in my panel.
[14:04] <nisshh> humphreybc: you know its way more intuintive to have them on the left, if your right handed apparently thats the way your hand wants to go
[14:04] <humphreybc> I tried it for a while, never worked
[14:04] <nisshh> yea, i love them on the left to be honest, although i dont really like the idea of windicators
[14:05] <nisshh> reminds me of why one reason windows is so shit: crap on the desktop
[14:06] <d0od> i, too, love left-handed... but windicators seem like a recipe for FAIL.
[14:06] <humphreybc> d0od: okay, it works fine for Ambiance
[14:06]  * nisshh just finished *purchasing* robin hood movie
[14:06] <humphreybc> but read post #62
[14:07] <humphreybc> and that panel applet doesn't have an actual "clicked" depressed state
[14:07] <nisshh> d0od: im hoping windicators will be running as a service so you can just kill it and not have it start at boot
[14:09] <vish> nisshh: ++++++1
[14:09] <humphreybc> d0od: I want something like this
[14:09] <humphreybc> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/search-your-computer-quickly-with-the-deskbar-applet-on-ubuntu/
[14:09] <humphreybc> the newer version of that thing doesn't have a "view" tab at all
[14:09] <humphreybc> I tried installing it
[14:10] <humphreybc> I want a nice search bar like in Unity
[14:13] <humphreybc> wtf, has nobody created something that has a text field in the panel  to search for shit?
[14:16] <d0od> :(
[14:16] <humphreybc> that sucks!
[14:16] <humphreybc> nisshh: you should make one
[14:17] <humphreybc> d0od: A great post would be how to add custom locations and weather information to the weather applet if your city isn't listed
[14:19] <d0od> that would require me knowing how to do that?
[14:19] <humphreybc> :P
[14:19] <d0od> what's the plan with the weather applet come indicator-datetime in 10.10?
[14:19] <humphreybc> no idea
[14:22] <nisshh> humphreybc: why cant you? :)
[14:22] <humphreybc> can you write them in python?
[14:22] <humphreybc> ew, http://projects.gnome.org/ORBit2/appletstutorial.html
[14:28] <nisshh> yea, i agree , ew
[14:30] <humphreybc> i wonder if gnome shell is any better
[14:32] <humphreybc> that was a disaster. i'll try the PPA.
[14:37] <humphreybc> PPA provides a bit more of a stable version
[14:37] <humphreybc> but it's sooo dark
[14:37] <nisshh> its slow on my P4 too
[14:37] <nisshh> laggy
[14:37] <humphreybc> yeah
[14:37] <nisshh> and uses alot of CPU
[14:38] <humphreybc> it's not exactly fast on core 2 duo
[14:38] <nisshh> but apparently 2.32.2 has performance improvements
[14:38] <humphreybc> I've got 2.32.1
[14:38] <nisshh> yea
[14:39] <nisshh> do you like gnome-shell?
[14:39] <humphreybc> nope
[14:39] <humphreybc> lol
[14:39] <nisshh> hehe
[14:39] <humphreybc> i don't see the point
[14:39] <nisshh> well, i like the getting rid of the traditional panels
[14:39] <humphreybc> yeah
[14:39] <nisshh> but apart from that yea i dont see the point
[14:40] <humphreybc> but I don't really want to press activities every time I want to change an application
[14:40] <humphreybc> a dock is much more efficient
[14:40] <nisshh> humphreybc: you dont have to, you can still alt-tab and switch worspaces with a shortcut key
[14:40] <humphreybc> yeah i can see that
[14:41] <nisshh> i do find it annoying that you have to open activities EVERY time you want to open a new app though
[14:41] <humphreybc> yeah
[14:41] <nisshh> but i suppose thats what gnome-do + docky is for
[14:42] <humphreybc> oh docky does work
[14:42] <nisshh> but hopefully it will get better once its released and people start brainstorming better ideas
[14:42] <humphreybc> I don't like the white on black
[14:43] <nisshh> urh me neither
[14:43] <nisshh> humphreybc: werent we having a meeting this weekend?
[14:43] <humphreybc> lol
[14:43] <humphreybc> i dunno
[14:44] <nisshh> maybe next, i think godbyk wanted to have one
[14:44] <humphreybc> I like Ubuntu's notification system a lot better than gnome shell
[14:44] <nisshh> or said we should i something
[14:44] <humphreybc> I hope shotwell isn't copying all my photos over to somewhere when it's importing
[14:45] <d0od> pictures > photos > [folders[
[14:45] <humphreybc> ......
[14:46] <humphreybc> oh what thje fuck
[14:46] <humphreybc> stupid shotwell
[14:47] <humphreybc> that's what I hated F Spot for!
[14:47] <d0od> if it had a preferences you could probably disable it ;)
[14:47] <humphreybc> what a dumb application
[14:47] <humphreybc> why did we choose that for maverick?
[14:47] <d0od> cos it's not f-spot :D
[14:48] <d0od> it's just as crap as f-spot but faster
[14:48] <humphreybc> lol
[14:48] <humphreybc> so what happens to compiz when gnome shell is released?
[14:49] <d0od> it dies?
[14:49] <humphreybc> good luck trying to pry wobbly windows away from everyone
[14:49] <humphreybc> it's the one reason most people use linux for
[14:49] <d0od> haha
[14:50] <d0od> gnome-shell is gonna fail anyway
[14:50] <humphreybc> gnome shell is destined for failure
[14:50] <d0od> it could do a KDE 4.0 (hell it'll need to...)
[14:50] <d0od> in that it's shit.. but then get's a bit better
[14:51] <humphreybc> it's written javascript?
[14:52] <d0od> nope. it's written in FAIL.
[14:53] <d0od> !help
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[14:53] <d0od> !digest
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[14:53] <d0od> wow manualbot sucks.
[14:53] <d0od> !chucknorris
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[14:54] <humphreybc> lol
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[14:55] <d0od> the OMGbot in our IRC is really slick
[14:55] <humphreybc> really?
[14:55] <d0od> http://jamesmr.dyndns.org/omgbot/index.php/Main_Page
[16:56] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: iv figured out why my app didnt work with the setup.py file
[18:04] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: what was it?
[18:25] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: the setup.py file that quickly generates is designed to work with packages, not source tarball installs
[18:25] <ubuntujenkins> I see, makes sense
[18:26] <nisshh> yea, so for now its not an option but it may be sometime later
[18:27] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: its almost ready for release and iv fixed a bunch of bugs so you wont have to wait much longer to get your hands on a ppa package
[18:27] <nisshh> itll be ready sometime in june
[18:27] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[18:27] <nisshh> probably before the 10th
[18:27] <nisshh> hehe
[20:04] <dutchie> hello!
[20:04]  * dutchie is tired :(
[20:05] <ubuntujenkins> hello dutchie
[20:05]  * ubuntujenkins has been doing lots of revision so is also tired
[20:05] <dutchie> i have spent the weekend loitering at the NWSC by Nottingham
[20:05] <dutchie> unfortunately not racing due to being rubbish :(
[20:06] <ubuntujenkins> I have never been, you should have come to loughborough you were so close to me
[20:07] <dutchie> i had little/no free time
[20:07] <dutchie> or transport
[20:07] <ubuntujenkins> fair enough we will meet some time :)
[20:07] <dutchie> :)
[20:07] <dutchie> probably over the summer
[20:08] <ubuntujenkins> I am back home soon so we are further apart then :(
[20:11] <dutchie> i'm quite sunburnt
[20:12] <ubuntujenkins> did you wear sun cream ?
[20:12] <dutchie> not really, no
[20:13] <ubuntujenkins> self inflicted sunburn :P
[20:13] <dutchie> yes
[20:13] <dutchie> too much american football
[21:21] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ping
[21:22] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: pong
[21:22]  * c7p it's ping time
[21:23] <ubuntujenkins> you know my headset stuff you helped with last wee well it utrns out that all the pulse audio stuff has to be run as the current user so i have http://paste.ubuntu.com/441905/ but I can't get this to run properly  .the order in what everything runs is wrong. Could you have a look please :)
[21:24] <godbyk> sure
[21:24] <ubuntujenkins> thanks, the bit in the $() is the bit you did which returns a number.
[21:24] <godbyk> so what's the actual problem?
[21:25] <godbyk> It's going to run a command like:
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> the udev rule runs as root but, all the pacmd commands must be run as the current user
[21:25] <godbyk> su luke-jennings pacmd set-default-source 2
[21:25] <godbyk> (or whatever index number that works out to)
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> yea thats the idea
[21:26] <godbyk> oh, put a -c after your username
[21:27] <godbyk> su luke-jennings -c pacmd set-default-source 2
[21:27] <dutchie> doesn't sudo -u exist to specify user?
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> that doen't work ifor got to type that Home directory /home/luke-jennings not ours.
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> Welcome to PulseAudio! Use "help" for usage information.
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins>  is the error
[21:27] <godbyk> dutchie: yeah, that'd work, too, I suspect.
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> nope sudo -u gives the same error. I thnik we must ahev to get the pacmd set-default-source $(pacmd list-sources | grep "alsa_input.usb-Logitech_Logitech_USB_Headset-00-Headset.analog-mono" -B1 | grep index | awk '{ print $2;}') bit to run as me as well
[21:30] <godbyk> try: sudo -u luke-jennings -c "pacmd set-default-source $(pacmd list-sources | grep "alsa_input.usb-Logitech_Logitech_USB_Headset-00-Headset.analog-mono" -B1 | grep index | awk '{ print $2;}')"
[21:30] <godbyk> see what that breaks.
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/441923/
[21:32] <godbyk> apparently your pulse-audio daemon isn't running...?
[21:33] <godbyk> the user's session pulseaudio daemon, that is.
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> I tried su luke-jennings -c "pacmd set-default-source $(su luke-jennings -c pacmd list-sources | grep "alsa_input.usb-Logitech_Logitech_USB_Headset-00-Headset.analog-mono" -B1 | grep index | awk '{ print $2;}')" . but it doesn't work it just leaves a flashing terminal.
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> If i run the command as my self in the terminal it works, so pulseaudio should be working
[21:33] <godbyk> I think the whole command I gave you is crap. :)
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> I think I am making this very complex
[21:34] <godbyk> heh
[21:35] <godbyk> maybe put it in a shell script.  ensure the script works properly.
[21:35] <godbyk> then have su or sudo run that script as your user.  (I think you have to be logged in already, otherwise you won't have your session pulseaudio daemon running.)
[21:35] <godbyk> there's probably better way, anyway.
[21:35] <godbyk> isn't pulseaudio supposed to handle all that stuff automagically?
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> If i run http://fpaste.org/tL3U/ by pressing alt+f2 it works its when doing it as root thats hard
[21:36] <godbyk> right.
[21:36] <godbyk> I think you should be able to do that within a pulseaudio config, right?
[21:37] <godbyk> I have to run to campus to meet with someone about some C++ code.
[21:37] <godbyk> I'll be back later (if you haven't gone to bed already.)
[21:37] <ubuntujenkins> #pulseaduio suggested that but we got know where. thanks godbyk I think you have solved it. I will have a go
[21:37] <ubuntujenkins> something you said
[21:37] <godbyk> Best of luck!
[21:39] <c7p> Is there anyone who know something about shell scripting ? (actually bash)
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: is the best whats your question we can try it
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: ^
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> I can make my script run as root by making a script called "callheadset" all it contains is #!/bin/bash, su luke-jennings -c headset . Now i can't get the udev rule to work hmmm. I haven't changed anything
[21:53] <c7p> I din't understand the last two periods but it's ok :d, i don't have even moderate knowledge on shell scripting
[21:54] <ubuntujenkins> :)
[21:54]  * ubuntujenkins hmm now the problem lies with the script working as root but not when the udev rule runs
[22:05]  * ubuntujenkins made probably the longest post on the ubuntuforums the thread is basically me talking to my self about this silly udev rule http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9385103#post9385103 :)
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> I really don't understand why the udev running doen't make it work
[22:09] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: wow you talk to you through a forum ! maybe it's a charisma :P (kidding)
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> I had to look that up :)
[22:23] <c7p> night all
[22:23] <ubuntujenkins> nigth c7p
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[22:54]  * godbyk is back now