[00:00] <apachelogger> Mamarok: well, on mine, and since I am the primary user of that library... ;)
[00:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: in the futur I’ll do such things on my grand PC :P
[00:07] <apachelogger> bulldog98: that sounds like a super computer cluster with 5k nodes ^^
[00:09] <debfx> are we going to use libgpod4 or libgpod4-nogtk for maverick?
[00:09] <apachelogger> libgpod4
[00:10] <apachelogger> IIRC amarok does not even work anymore without gtk
[00:11] <debfx> kipi-plugins build-deps on libgpod-nogtk-dev but doesn't depend on libgpod* at all
[00:11] <debfx> that's strange
[00:17] <bulldog98> apachelogger: next time I’ll do such things on my big PC
[00:18] <apachelogger> bulldog98: same thing ^^
[00:18] <debfx> why have we disabled mysqle_amarok_local_errmsg_feature.diff? the changelog doesn't mention anything
[00:27] <Daskreech> larsivi_: what's libglew needed for?
[00:52] <bulldog98> Riddell: build finished
[00:52] <lex79> Daskreech: we need libglew in main to build kdeedu
[00:59] <bulldog98> Riddell: what to do if they are build succesfully?
[01:02] <lex79> bulldog98: we have to clean ninja ppa before uploading 4.4.4, we have 4.4.80 in ninja now
[01:02] <bulldog98> lex79: I can’t upload to that even if it would be wanted
[01:11] <debfx> something is broken in maverick's glib: /usr/include/glib-2.0/gio/gdbusintrospection.h:147: error: expected unqualified-id before 'protected'
[01:20] <debfx> oh
[01:20] <debfx> GDBusInterfaceInfo contains an attribute called "signals"
[01:21] <lex79> JontheEchidna: since the merge, kdebase-runtime recommends virtuoso-minimal, should recommends only virtuoso-nepomuk
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: ideally we need to merge virtuoso
[01:21] <lex79> we don't want all virtuoso stuff in the cd
[01:28] <debfx> I hope amarok builds with QT_NO_KEYWORDS
[01:38] <debfx> hrm it does not
[01:39] <lex79> :)
[01:41]  * JontheEchidna begins virtuoso merge
[01:42] <lex79> JontheEchidna: maybe we can sync it ;)
[01:42] <lex79> if we have all build-deps in main...
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> lex79: with a package this big, best to go through manually to see if there's anything we have that would be missed if synced
[01:42]  * bulldog98 has the finished the build of the libs and is asking what to do next
[01:43] <lex79> right, ok
[01:43] <lex79> bulldog98: are you a ninja?
[01:43] <bulldog98> lex79: no
[01:44] <lex79> uhm, wait Riddell then or somebody else
[01:44] <lex79> I mean tomorrow at this point :)
[01:45] <bulldog98> lex79: hm at about 12 a clock he should be on right?
[01:46] <lex79> utc...yes
[01:46] <bulldog98> lex79: yes I ment utc
[01:46] <lex79> ok
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> lex79: looks like we can sync, but we'll have to do some nepomuk changes at the same time in kdebase-runtime
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, soprano too
[01:47] <bulldog98> lex79: then it will be 2 a clock here and I’ll be back from school
[01:47] <lex79> JontheEchidna: why? kdebase-runtime depends on virtuoso-minimal
[01:47]  * bulldog98 goes to bed because he has to get up in 3 hours
[01:47] <lex79> bulldog98: ok no problem
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> lex79: our virtuoso package places the virtuoso-t binary in a different location
[01:47] <lex79> oh
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> actually, I think that all the changes will need done in soprano
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> also we can file for removal for virtuosoconverter
[01:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: you have the power now to do all at the same time :)  don't wait me
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> muwahahaha
[01:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: you're a bad guy now :(
[01:49] <lex79> hihihih
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> >:D
[01:51]  * debfx wonders if glib would accept a patch to rename an attribute because qt #defines it
[01:51] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm writing motu application btw, and I will use also for kubuntu-dev application
[01:51] <lex79> allelujia
[01:51] <lex79> lol
[03:23] <shadeslayer> well.. upgrade went awesome.. nothing apt-get -f install cant fix :P
[03:23] <shadeslayer> 4.5 looks pretty awesome :D
[03:29] <shadeslayer> well theres no printer config dialog :P
[03:30] <shadeslayer> whats the kwin tiling feature i hear about?
[03:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just a small fyi.... the new khotnewstuff directly uploads your themes,etc to opendesktop.org,removing the need for a browser :P
[03:44] <shadeslayer> i guess everyones off to sleep :(
[03:46] <nigelb> shadeslayer: its a long weekend for US - tomorrow is memorial day
[03:46] <nigelb> folks might be away taking a break, family, etc
[03:49] <shadeslayer> nigelb: memorial day?
[03:50] <shadeslayer> nigelb: how come your up so early?
[03:50] <shadeslayer> :P
[08:53] <stefan`> hello
[08:53] <stefan`> i updated to kde4.5 from the experimental ppa
[08:53] <stefan`> however, i don't get the blur effect working, although its enabled and set to max
[08:54] <stefan`> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[09:05] <Tm_T> stefan`: it doesn't work where exactly? also what windeco youre using?
[09:06] <stefan`> oxygen as windeco
[09:06] <stefan`> its not working in any place i can observe: not in the panel, not in plasma-popups not behind windows
[09:06] <Tm_T> hmmm
[09:07] <Tm_T> if it doesn't work even in panel, then I don't know
[09:07] <Tm_T> stefan`: one of those silly things to do, but, tried relogin? (:
[09:08] <stefan`> Tm_T: is there a place where log-messages for these effects are written?
[09:08] <stefan`> Tm_T: hehe ;) yes, i did already :(
[09:08] <Tm_T> no idea about the logs
[09:08] <Tm_T> ...I think this is best dealt in #kde or some other support channel
[09:08] <stefan`> Tm_T: right, thanks.
[09:51] <apparle> Is rekonq going to be the default browser in 10.10?
[10:16] <jussi> apparle: thats the plan
[10:17] <apparle> jussi: so konq will be there or not at all
[10:17] <jussi> apparle: not at all. just in the repos
[10:18] <apparle> jussi: and that is just with us (kubuntu) or kde is doing the same
[10:18] <jussi> apparle: afaik, just us.
[10:18] <apparle> ok
[10:59] <Riddell> bulldog98: yo
[10:59] <Tm_T> apparle: Konqueror wont go away from KDE until... KDE 5 or way later
[11:00] <Tm_T> apparle: also including rekonq isn't that straightforward either, nor in agenda yet
[11:00] <apparle> Tm_T: so is it going to remain in extra gear forever :)
[11:00] <Tm_T> cannot know
[11:01] <Tm_T> but as long as it requires more frequent release schedule than KDE sc it won't be in main modules
[11:01] <apparle> Tm_T: if konq is not removed, why not make it a proper browser
[11:01] <Tm_T> apparle: how it isn't proper browser?
[11:02] <apparle> Tm_T:  a very basic need.. it doesn't open a very famous site like yahoo mail
[11:02] <Tm_T> apparle: and rekonq opens?
[11:02] <apparle> Tm_T: I mean after modifying browser identification also
[11:03] <apparle> Tm_T: after modifying browser identification... yahoo mail works perfectly in rekonq
[11:04] <apparle> Tm_T: even gmail doesn't work to its fullest in konq
[11:05] <apparle> Tm_T: I don't think a normal user like me using yahoo/gmail (I haven't tried windows live or aol) would think it as a complete browser if it can't open these sites
[11:07] <Tm_T> apparle: I just logged in to yahoo mail, what doesn't work in this?
[11:07] <Tm_T> and no, I haven't changed any browser identification
[11:07] <apparle> Tm_T: are you using the new yahoo mail or just the old one
[11:08] <Tm_T> apparle: I have no idea what is new and what is old
[11:09] <Tm_T> apparle: ah, I now found out how to activate "new"
[11:09] <apparle> Tm_T: the new interface is good and fast also
[11:11] <Tm_T> how it doesn't work?
[11:12] <apparle> Tm_T: you mean you are in the new interface in konq without any browser identification modification
[11:13] <Tm_T> apparle: apparently I need to change the identification, but that's nothing Konqueror devels can do about
[11:14] <apparle> Tm_T:  in my case it doesn't open even after that
[11:14] <Tm_T> apparle: try using webkit
[11:14] <apparle> Tm_T: ohhh
[11:14] <apparle> Tm_T: you should have told me earlier that you are using webkit, then rekonq and konq will be almost same.
[11:14] <Tm_T> apparle: I use khtml and webkit
[11:15] <apparle> Tm_T: can I do that on KDE SC4.4.2?
[11:15] <Tm_T> sure
[11:15] <apparle> Tm_T: how
[11:17] <Tm_T> apparle: install kpart-webkit (I think) and then restart Konqueror, then from menu: view -> view mode -> webkit
[11:17] <Tm_T> apparle: btw, if you have problems with konqueror, please submit bug reports with good simple testcases, these simple issues shouldn't be reason to call konqueror unproper
[11:20] <apparle> Tm_T: I just told you some cases, but it causes problems for many sites (considering there is no webkit). I can report bugs when they are ocassional but if I get them in every site, I'd better change the browser
[11:21] <Tm_T> apparle: I have currently problems in one site only, and that has broken scripts apparently
[11:21] <apparle> Tm_T: should I rebuilt syscoca
[11:21] <apparle> Tm_T: afater installation of webkit
[11:21] <Tm_T> apparle: wont hurt, though it should happen itself
[11:27] <apparle> Tm_T: now no complaints about konqueror... but why isn't webkit default?
[11:28] <Tm_T> apparle: it's extragear stuff
[11:29] <apparle> Tm_T: I don't know how things work about that, but its better than the default at least
[11:29] <Tm_T> there's plenty of integration still lacking/not working well
[11:30] <Tm_T> ...and I'm talking about current development (:
[11:32] <apparle> Tm_T: idk.....anyways webkit doesn't remail default in konq, anyway to fix that
[11:33] <Tm_T> cannot remember exact steps, there's plenty of guides online though
[11:35] <apparle> Tm_T: ok
[11:52] <debfx> Riddell: amarok is in the ninjas ppa
[11:54] <Riddell> debfx: ooh, I was just about to ask
[11:54] <Riddell> debfx: are you rediscovering your music?
[11:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kutils linking issue sorted
[11:57] <debfx> indeed I am ;)
[12:02] <Riddell> Mamarok, Nightrose: is 2.3.1 a new feature release or a bugfix only release?  (should we put it in updates or backports)
[12:02] <Nightrose> it has new features
[12:28]  * Riddell wonders why he no longer has usr/lib/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so
[12:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Moved to kdebase-workspace-bin for me
[12:30] <Riddell> seems a strange move, I guess win32 and mac users don't want oxygen style
[12:32] <Riddell> debfx: amarok seems to be working well
[12:32] <Riddell> debfx: I'll upload to maverick and to backports PPA
[12:36] <Riddell> debfx: where is kubuntu/08_fix_ftbfs_glib_2.25.diff from?
[12:37] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531113741-0ez9hsnuueperplw * src/api/ (Account.cpp Account.h) private d pointer for Account
[12:38] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531113808-2v2aq5ct2xsnqevo * debian/control fix section of libubuntuone-api-dev
[12:38] <apachelogger> 4 more classes to go :/
[12:47] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531114742-ld0aa9sgysoy54ae * debian/control syncdaemon is in ubuntuone-client, so lets depend on that
[12:52] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531115120-26qzbimmqrcvhe1w * (debian/control src/api/Account.h) Here is a thing, desktopcouch depends on gnome-keyring to work, gnome-keyring in turn does not provide an appropriate dbus service fail making it fall apart when no daemon is running \o/
[12:54] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531115424-09h60cicb61ifjl4 * data/ (org.freedesktop.secrets.service.in CMakeLists.txt) return of the gnome-keyring dbus service -.-
[13:00] <apachelogger> *sob*
[13:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please hold me, otherwise I might go rant to a lot of people
[13:00] <Nightrose> awwwww
[13:00]  * Nightrose hold apachelogger tightly
[13:01] <apachelogger> :*
[13:01] <Nightrose> :*
[13:02] <apachelogger> oh
[13:02] <apachelogger> now it is working Oo
[13:04] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531120344-4usjzbsj13s2shl6 * (TODO debian/ubuntuone-kde.install) Install org.freedesktop.secrets service and add todo item about it
[13:05] <apachelogger> fregl: jos is also suggesting suse(studio)
[13:06] <fregl> apachelogger: well, that would be easy to create... basically sitting down for an hour and clickety-click, though that is not a good longterm solution
[13:06] <fregl> apachelogger: where does he suggest that?
[13:06] <apachelogger> fregl: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/kde-mm-edu-sprint-2010-in-xrandr/#comments
[13:06]  * fregl fell behind on blogreading
[13:06] <apachelogger> Jakob also got a point with "You should use kubuntu as base, since I guess people who would like a fluffy desktop don’t want to bother with drivers, codecs and such… good example is my girlfriend "
[13:07] <apachelogger> actually that is a very good argument for kubuntu altogether, since one half of the target audience really does not want to mess with this stuff
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> *nod*
[13:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is there a sane webm encoder yet?
[13:08] <fregl> apachelogger: do we get his girlfriend if we base it on that? lately I had no troubles with any linux distro on my outdated hardware anyway.
[13:09] <apachelogger> fregl: I think it is more about broadcom wifi and prop graphics drivers
[13:09] <apachelogger> codecs do work everywhere but arch and debian :P
[13:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: idunno
[13:09] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp webm
[13:09] <kubotu> Results for webm: 1. WebM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM | 2. VP8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 | 3. WebM - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM
[13:09] <kubotu> [1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[13:19] <bulldog98> Riddell: ping
[13:20] <Riddell> yo bulldog98 
[13:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: I think we should build 4.4.4 in staging
[13:20] <Riddell> so long as apachelogger doesn't eat us
[13:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: so can you upload kde4libs to ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging ?
[13:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: do i have to be kubuntu ninja to do so?
[13:22] <apachelogger> ohm
[13:22] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes, we can fix that
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: ninja is ocupied?
[13:22] <lex79> in ninja there is 4.4.80 lucid
[13:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's still doing 4.4.80 bits
[13:22] <apachelogger> oh my oh my
[13:23] <apachelogger> clearly we need a second ninja ^^
[13:23] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’ll second that
[13:23] <lex79> you can upload in staging if you are a kubuntu member, not ninja
[13:23] <lex79> or I wrong?
[13:24] <Riddell> need to be ninja or dev
[13:24] <lex79> ah
[13:24] <Riddell> bulldog98 is now a ninja
[13:24] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:24] <apachelogger> THE FUCK
[13:24] <apachelogger> erm
[13:24] <apachelogger> sorry
[13:24] <apachelogger> "Ja, melden Sie mich in"
[13:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^^^^^
[13:24] <lex79> apachelogger: ninja seems an open team now :P
[13:25] <Riddell> pardon?
[13:26] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/Wd-3M48a.html
[13:26] <apachelogger> that is the most crappy translation I have ever ever read of login
[13:26] <apachelogger> in fact it is so horrible that probably google translate could do better
[13:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Oo
[13:32] <Riddell> bulldog98: anyway, please upload to staging
[13:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: preparing that
[13:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: will need some time to upload
[13:34]  * bulldog98 loads the debian sources to the staging PPA will need ~half an hour
[13:34] <bulldog98> or less
[13:56] <bulldog98> Riddell: maybe I’ll do some more work this evening or tomorrow
[13:57] <Riddell> bulldog98: you can call more ninjas to the cause of 4.4.4 with ~ninjas in this irc channel
[13:57] <txwikinger> Riddell: anything I can help with
[13:57] <txwikinger> I have to do some paid work, but I get push some things in between
[13:58] <txwikinger> s/get/can/
[13:58] <Riddell> txwikinger: 4.4.4 needing packaged
[13:58] <txwikinger> do we have a todo list?
[13:59] <txwikinger> 4.4.4? Didn't we already work on 4.4.80?
[13:59] <Riddell> we did but we need to cator for all markets, stable and unstable
[13:59] <Riddell> ninjas
[13:59] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4
[14:00] <txwikinger> Riddell: cool.. 
[14:00] <Riddell> txwikinger: do you have access to ktown?
[14:01] <txwikinger> Since I don't know, I presume no :)
[14:02] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531130158-eo4m3ekzzhb137hs * src/libs/ (AuthenticationDBus.cpp AuthenticationDBus.h CMakeLists.txt) Generate AuthenticationDBus at build time
[14:02]  * txwikinger wonders if ktown means Kaiserslautern :)
[14:03] <Riddell> txwikinger: try  ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[14:04] <txwikinger> Riddell: what protocol? ftp?
[14:04] <txwikinger> or ssh?
[14:04] <Riddell> ssh
[14:04] <Riddell> ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[14:05] <txwikinger> hmm.. public key denied
[14:05] <txwikinger> I guess I would have to put my public key somewhere for that
[14:05] <Riddell> txwikinger: try again
[14:05] <Riddell> well I'm using the one on launchpad
[14:06] <txwikinger> ah :)
[14:06] <txwikinger> let me go to my other machine :)
[14:07] <txwikinger> Riddell: no doesn't work
[14:08] <Riddell> txwikinger: try now
[14:08] <txwikinger> no
[14:08] <ghostcube> woah we get 3.x kde back o.O
[14:09] <Riddell> txwikinger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/ibUwFchT  that one?
[14:10] <txwikinger> Riddell: yes
[14:11] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531131102-dogbxan3tthh98tr * src/libs/CMakeLists.txt build++
[14:11] <Riddell> txwikinger: well that's the one which is in there
[14:11] <Riddell> txwikinger: got any others to try?
[14:13] <txwikinger> Riddell: not at the moment
[14:13] <txwikinger> would have to create one
[14:15] <Riddell> let me put them elsewhere
[14:15] <txwikinger> Riddell: it works now
[14:16] <Riddell> ok grab from stable/4.4.4/src
[14:17] <txwikinger> ok
[14:17] <Riddell> txwikinger: pick a package, add your name in the line in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4, grab the packaging from https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[14:18] <Riddell> convert to .gz
[14:18] <Riddell> build it
[14:18] <Riddell> check for any new files (unlikely)
[14:18] <Riddell> put into staging PPA
[14:18] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531131815-023txmw436ezu0v9 * src/api/ (Api.cpp CMakeLists.txt) Make api try a login - still needs error handling
[14:18] <txwikinger> Riddell: ok
[14:18]  * Riddell out for a bit
[14:24] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531132445-z5ehv043mh2ncinz * src/api/ (SubscriptionObject.cpp SubscriptionObject.h) private dptr for subscriptionobject
[14:42] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> agateau: pong
[14:42] <agateau> JontheEchidna: hi, did you get my konversation indicator patch?
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> agateau: yes. It doesn't seem to build, though :( I would have emailed, but my kmail was a bit busted
[14:43] <agateau> JontheEchidna: oh :( do you have an url for the build error?
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> agateau: No, but I can get the build failure in about 10 minutes locally
[14:44] <agateau> JontheEchidna: sounds good
[14:45] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531134521-lpifvbmdsmsqq1fi * src/api/ (7 files) Shared D-Pointer for Subscription! + Merge Subscription classes in one file
[14:47] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531134708-npdj641k5t3ywylb * src/api/Subscription.h TODO++
[14:53] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/api/Subscription.h it is a beauty
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442292/
[15:04] <debfx> Riddell: I wrote that patch
[15:12] <agateau> JontheEchidna: where can I grab the source package?
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> sec
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> agateau: dget http://people.ubuntu.com/~echidnaman/konversation_1.3~beta1-1ubuntu1.dsc
[15:15] <apparle> guys what is Q_Q macro
[15:16] <agateau> JontheEchidna: downloading
[15:17] <agateau> apparle: it is a magic Qt macro used inside of a *Private class,
[15:17] <agateau> apparle: after it you can use the q var to refer to the public class
[15:17] <apparle> agateau: do you have a link or something which would have an example implementation
[15:18] <agateau> apparle: mmm... Qt source code is full of this...
[15:18] <agateau> apparle: but I don't know where it's implemented
[15:18] <agateau> apparle: actually I do
[15:19] <agateau> apparle: it's in qglobal.h and it expands to:
[15:19] <agateau> #define Q_D(Class) Class##Private * const d = d_func()
[15:19] <agateau> #define Q_Q(Class) Class * const q = q_func()
[15:19] <agateau> (pasted Q_D while I was at it)
[15:20] <apparle> agateau: my bad..... i meant to say, do you have an usage example
[15:20] <agateau> apparle: look inside qt, it's used everywhere
[15:20] <apparle> agateau: ok
[15:30] <agateau> JontheEchidna: is it normal debian/patches/debian-changes-1.3\~beta1-1ubuntu1 contains changes which look like a revert of the indicator patch?
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> agateau: mm, no. good catch.'
[15:30] <agateau> JontheEchidna: that's what I suspected :)
[15:31] <agateau> JontheEchidna: tell me if there are still other problems
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> will do. Thanks again
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> agateau: looks good
[15:37] <agateau> JontheEchidna: great!
[15:37] <a|wen> bulldog98: did you get to upload kdelibs to staging?
[15:38] <agateau> Riddell: if I provide you with a Qt patch for appmenu support today, will this be in alpha1?
[15:58] <jussi> right, so here is what Id really love to see. http://imagebin.ca/view/wN1IwXck.html :D (but a bit more polished than my krita'ing skills can manage) 
[15:59] <jussi> Basically, daisy dock, with the ability to add plasmoids to it (not just launchers) and a specially placed systray (or whatever people are calling it these days). 
[16:00] <ScottK> jussi: In KDE, it's called the systray.
[16:01] <jussi> :D
[16:01] <jussi> ScottK: so what do you think? look like something acheivable?
[16:01] <jussi> or even useful?
[16:01] <ScottK> Not trivially.
[16:01] <jussi> OK, thats what I was asking. :D
[16:02] <ScottK> It requires widgets to overlap and interact in a way that they don't right now.
[16:02] <jussi> ahh
[16:02] <ScottK> I think it looks cool.  Not sure how useful i would be.
[16:03] <ScottK> (but I hate OS X, so I'm probably not the best judge)
[16:03] <jussi> I think Ill have a word with the daisy people (once I go ask google who they are) to see if they are interested.
[16:05] <jussi> ScottK: ooh, looks like they are working on something along the lines of what I was saying: http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7057/snapshot4r.jpg
[16:15] <ScottK> It used to be I'd see the complete lack of mention of Kubuntu in http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/05/track-desktop-and-une-in-maverick.html and get annoyed.  Now I'm convinced it's a feature.
[16:24] <apachelogger> fregl: linux distros are one patchy mess of implicit knowledge and public tools
[16:49] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[16:49] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "As One" by Dropkick Murphys [Blackout, 2003] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6gGQUPS2lFMzwcrJG4fnN4] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[16:50] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531155033-r1qvfce2unpv85kg * COPYING Add gpl3
[17:24] <fregl> apachelogger: tell me something new :)
[17:32] <apachelogger> seaLne: can you get some freenode staffer to help us hijack #fluffy? ^^
[17:32] <apachelogger> seems deserted anyway
[17:34] <tsimpson> apachelogger: you should speak to JvA
[17:40] <apachelogger> fregl: you should speak to JvA, tsimpson says ;)
[17:40]  * fregl kicks apachelogger :D
[17:41] <apachelogger> pff
[17:41] <apachelogger> fregl: I am doing the packaging :P
[17:42] <fregl> tsimpson: query, or is there a staff channel?
[17:42] <tsimpson> fregl: they aren't staff, but they are the owner of the channel. so /query :)
[17:43] <fregl> hehe, ok
[17:43] <Riddell> agateau: hi, yes I could do a qt upload if you have a patch
[17:43] <tsimpson> all staff will tell you is to ask the owner anyway, unless you file a Group Registration Form with freenode and wait about a year
[17:43]  * apachelogger is all for #kde-fluffy if that fails
[17:43] <apachelogger> fregl: dpkg-deb: building package `fluffy-unicorn' in `../fluffy-unicorn_0.0.0~alpha1_i386.deb'.
[17:44] <jussi> apachelogger: is it kubuntu based?
[17:44] <tsimpson> ^ and hope KDE don't mind
[17:44] <apachelogger> jussi: yeah
[17:44] <apachelogger> tsimpson: why should they?
[17:44] <tsimpson> apachelogger: no reason, just freenode policy (blah, blah, blah)
[17:44] <apachelogger> we haz 50 likers on facebook!!! :P
[17:44]  * fregl becomes all bouncy in anticipation ;)
[17:44] <jussi> apachelogger: #kubuntu-fluffy? :D :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> that would make it a kubuntu flavor, which it is not
[17:45] <jussi> awww... it should be!
[17:45] <fregl> it isn't really official kde flavor either I'd say ;)
[17:45] <tsimpson> one day, it probably will be
[17:46] <fregl> it should be the official *buntu flavor :P
[17:46] <tsimpson> but I like blue too much ;)
[17:46] <fregl> apachelogger: we should do a fluffy sprint
[17:46] <jussi> LOL
[17:46] <apachelogger> fregl: totally
[17:47] <apachelogger> fregl: so #ubuntu-fluffy?
[17:47] <fregl> we need sponsors...
[17:47] <apachelogger> sabdfl: ^ a friendly reminder ;)
[17:47] <fregl> rofl, together with the facebook page that sounds about right
[17:48] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[17:48] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Boys on the Docks" by Dropkick Murphys [Live on St. Patrick's Day] [http://open.spotify.com/track/3OBMOFQLsOFrhv2b9REB4h] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[17:52] <debfx> ScottK: congrats on becoming a DD!
[17:52] <maco> you're a DD now?
[17:52] <maco> shiiiiiiiiiiiny
[17:53] <jussi> ScottK: Congrats!
[17:53] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic add \o \o ScottK is now Debian overlord o/ o/
[17:54] <Riddell> and remember, you too can be a debian developer after only two and a half years
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[17:58] <Nightrose> congrats ScottK
[17:58] <jjesse> congrats ScottK
[17:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic add Fluffy will be based on Kubuntu
[18:23] <Riddell> oh why is the kubuntu website broken?
[18:23] <Riddell> can't edit anything now
[18:24] <neversfelde> congratulations ScottK
[18:26] <ScottK> neversfelde: Thanks.
[18:26] <ScottK> Riddell: "enhanced security from changes"
[18:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ping
[18:37] <Xand3r> jarp?
[18:38] <apachelogger> Xand3r: when will my groupies group get some better looking? :P
[18:38] <apachelogger> you could really ditch in a pic of me at the very least ^^
[18:39] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i dont know
[18:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what blog post to publish? the one about qjson or the one about the lack of scheduling software?
[18:39] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you could make Nightrose admin, she sure will know how to groupiefy the page ^^
[18:39] <Nightrose> apachelogger: scheduling
[18:40] <apachelogger> Nightrose: got time to review the content?
[18:40]  * apachelogger thinks that some sort of ending is missing
[18:40] <Nightrose> ok
[18:49] <ScottK> Is anyone already investigating why kdemultimedia FTBFS?
[18:51] <Riddell> something up with the codec packages?
[18:51] <Riddell> I've not looked into it
[18:51] <neversfelde> for 4.4.4 we update the packages in the updates ppa, right?
[18:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll have a look.
[18:53] <Riddell> neversfelde: yes, building in staging now then moving to updates when complete and tested
[18:54] <Riddell> get the 4.4.3 packaging from updates ppa to start
[18:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, thank you, I was not sure, if there are "official" packages in the archive somewhere
[18:55] <ScottK> Riddell: The problem is libavutil50 in Universe.
[18:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Source is already in Main.
[18:57] <ScottK> If you can promote it in the next 6 minutes, then we can retry in 51...
[18:58]  * Riddell hears the timer from 24 counting
[18:58] <Riddell> ScottK: done!
[18:58] <ScottK> Excellent.  Thanks.
[19:20]  * apachelogger is mirroring the ubuntu archive \\o/
[19:23] <apachelogger> fregl: first package of fluffy-unicorn built btw
[19:24] <fregl> I bet it took ages to compile :P
[19:24] <fregl> apachelogger: you rock!
[19:26] <apachelogger> fregl: it took 4 minutes!!! :P
[19:26] <apachelogger> also the source tar is like 5 mib
[19:26] <fregl> hehe
[19:26] <fregl> bloat!
[19:26] <apachelogger> which seems a bit big considering the amount of content
[19:26] <fregl> I bet our users care much... well 50% of them
[19:27] <fregl> good thing we don't have any users yet
[19:27] <apachelogger> its more about the developers :P
[19:27] <fregl> except us...
[19:27] <apachelogger> uploading 5 mib takes longer than 2 :P
[19:27] <fregl> ah, I see
[19:27] <fregl> so we need to trim that
[19:27] <apachelogger> yeah, though I think I suqeeze already a lot using the buid magic
[19:27] <fregl> apachelogger: what did you include? just the stuff we have on gitorious? will it automatically paint everything pink by magic?
[19:28] <apachelogger> cause there is this awesome too git-buildpackage which builds me a debian source right off the git branch
[19:28] <apachelogger> fregl: no automagics yet
[19:28] <apachelogger> includes icon, kopete, parley, plasma
[19:28] <fregl> it's a beginning :)
[19:29] <apachelogger> to override the defaults I suppse we should go the kubuntu way and just sneak into the config cascading (saves us patching etc.)
[19:29] <apachelogger> also, I cannot include your rekonq stuff becuase it would conflict with the rekonq package and dpkg would be all whiny about that ;)
[19:29] <fregl> I know
[19:29] <apachelogger> with cascaded configs we can work around that
[19:30] <fregl> too bad it doesn't support proper themeing
[19:30] <apachelogger> that is if rekonq actually does a cascaded lookup
[19:30] <apachelogger> [ 26%] Getting: pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-dbg_4.4.80-0ubuntu2_i386.deb... pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-dbg_4.4.80-0ubuntu2_i386.deb failed 500 Server closed connection without sending any data back
[19:30] <apachelogger> brrr
[19:31]  * apachelogger thinks that once he is done mirroring he will updates his mirror again ^^
[19:47] <ScottK> Riddell: What's the plan for kdebindings?
[19:48] <ScottK> I see ubuntu2 is rejected and ubuntu1 can't build because the source is superceded.
[20:22] <Riddell> ScottK: was going to look at it tonight if nobody else had got to it
[20:23] <ScottK> OK.  Good luck.
[20:23]  * ScottK tries hard to look busy with other things.
[20:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: You have comments awaiting moderation.
[20:36]  * apachelogger puts his moderator hat on
[20:38] <apachelogger> ah
[20:38]  * apachelogger was waiting for that ^^
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: see, the fact that this is not documented is what I was ranting about earlier when I said that distros are a patchy pool of implict knowledge :P
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: whom would one be asking about summit.ubuntu.com?
[20:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd try jcastro.
[20:39] <ScottK> Keybuck developed it, but isn't allowed to work on it anymore because he's fixing boot stuff.
[20:59] <apachelogger> ScottK, Nightrose: http://www.pentabarf.org/Main_Page
[20:59] <apachelogger> looks promising at first glance
[20:59] <apachelogger> I mean, it looks like crap, but the functionallity looks promising ;)
[21:00] <ScottK> Unfortunately it talks about ruby gems and stuff.
[21:00] <ScottK> Almost a guarantee of upstream insanity.
[21:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: any demo of it anywhere?
[21:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: getting one setup
[21:01] <Nightrose> cool
[21:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is made using rails, so it almost certainly must be talking about gems ;)
[21:06] <apachelogger> argh
[21:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: dont have no psql access on kollide :(
[21:06] <Nightrose> mpfh
[21:07] <neversfelde> bulldog98: ping
[21:13]  * apachelogger really wished he had the money to run a proper server for his projects -.-
[21:14] <neversfelde> bulldog98: I build kdelibs 4.4.4 and will upload it to staging, so that we can go ahead
[21:17] <apachelogger> gemming and mirroring at the same time is a bad idea
[21:19] <Riddell> Nightrose: we used pentabarf for akademy 2007 although on the day the server was busy and it failed
[21:20] <Nightrose> Riddell: hehe 
[21:20] <Nightrose> bad
[21:20] <Riddell> but not the fault of pentabarf, or so seaLne said
[21:20] <Riddell> Nightrose: how's the amarok release going?
[21:21] <Nightrose> Riddell: since i'm doing it alone it'll take another 30 mins at least
[21:21] <Nightrose> :/
[21:21] <maco> thats the thing debconf uses for registration right?
[21:22] <Riddell> maco: yes
[21:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: fancy testing 4.5 beta again from experimental?
[21:23] <Nightrose> ah drupal i love you for deleting my text
[21:23] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: I tired a few minutes ago, digikam is still to be removed here
[21:24] <Mamarok> tried*
[21:26] <stefan___> does anyone of those with a working kde 4.5 beta1 see the blur effect?
[21:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://edge.launchpad.net/summit
[21:31] <apachelogger> supposedly it only works with the launchpad blueprints system
[21:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: I just copied it over but it's not published yet, let's wait a few minutes
[21:33] <Riddell> stefan___: no I don't
[21:34] <stefan___> Riddell: but its enabled in your system settings?
[21:36] <Riddell> yes
[21:36] <KRF> apachelogger: added lucid-proposed, upgraded, restarted, started kontact, got this: http://krf.kollide.net/files/image/kubuntu-akonadi-failure.png
[21:38] <stefan___> Riddell: u think its a packaging issue or upstream?
[21:38] <apachelogger> KRF: what does details say?
[21:40] <KRF> "keine resourcen-vermittler gefunden"
[21:43] <apachelogger> ohm
[21:43] <apachelogger> KRF: completel log to apachelogger@ubuntu.com please
[21:43] <KRF> does it work for you or what?
[21:43] <apachelogger> apt-cache policy kdepimlibs5 too
[21:43] <apachelogger> KRF: it always did
[21:45]  * apachelogger needs to test in a vm
[21:45] <KRF> its easy to reproduce for me, install kubuntu on a vm, start kontact -> whoops
[21:45] <KRF> test it, yeah
[21:46] <KRF> i dont have the time to do so right now ;)
[21:48] <Riddell> Mamarok: should be published, want to try again?
[21:49] <Riddell> stefan___: I see an explanation has been found in #kde-d
[21:50] <stefan___> Riddell: you mean the 64bit issue?
[21:50] <Riddell> yes
[21:51] <neversfelde> ninja wiki mentions that we should call the packages ~lucid1~ppa1, but in updates the packages are called ~ppa1, which is correct?
[21:52] <debfx> Riddell: do you know if there were conflicts of qt keywords with glib before?
[21:52] <neversfelde> it does not matter, I think?
[21:54] <a|wen> neversfelde: as 4.4.80 is in maverick it doesn't matter afaics
[21:54] <neversfelde> k, I called kdelibs ~lucid1~ppa1
[21:54] <Riddell> neversfelde: better to use ~lucid1~ppa1 in the hope we might get it into lucid-updates which would use ~lucid1
[21:54] <neversfelde> so I think we should use this
[21:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: k
[21:54] <Riddell> debfx: hmm, I don't think so
[21:55] <a|wen> neversfelde: i used the same for kdepimlibs (requires 4.4.4 kdelibs to even testbuilt, so a stalled atm)
[21:56] <neversfelde> good
[21:56] <neversfelde> kdelibs should be build in 1 h or so
[21:56] <a|wen> cool
[21:57] <Mamarok> Riddell: Trying right now
[21:57] <debfx> Riddell: I think kipi-plugins fails to build for the same reason
[21:59] <ryanakca> 'grats ScottK 
[21:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: Manage to edit?
[22:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: nope
[22:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: can you?
[22:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: first load of a page it has the Edit tab, second it doesn't
[22:01] <Riddell> debfx: same as digikam?
[22:03] <debfx> Riddell: not sure, which digikam upload fails to build?
[22:04] <Riddell> well the build-depends have changed with 4.5 so I had to change them
[22:04] <Riddell> debfx: what's up with kipi-plugins?  glib symbols issue?
[22:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmmm... works here :/
[22:05] <Riddell> ryanakca: you might have to put up an amarok story shortly then :)
[22:05] <debfx> Riddell: a glib header file contains a variable called "signals"
[22:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: Alright
[22:07] <Riddell> debfx: oh that's evil
[22:07] <debfx> I'm surprised that this doesn't happen more often
[22:07] <bulldog98> neversfelde: was my kdelibs rejectet? or didn‘t it uploaded completlly
[22:08] <neversfelde> bulldog98: don't know
[22:08] <neversfelde> it was not there
[22:09] <neversfelde> you should got a mail from lp about it
[22:09] <bulldog98> neversfelde: looking
[22:09] <neversfelde> bulldog98: I already uploaded kdleibs
[22:09] <bulldog98> neversfelde: saw it
[22:10] <bulldog98> but think ~ppa would be enought, cause they won’t go to maverick
[22:11] <bulldog98> neversfelde: will build other part
[22:11] <neversfelde> bulldog98: as Riddell mentioned above it is better to use ~lucid1 because of the lucid-backports
[22:11] <bulldog98> neversfelde: ok
[22:22] <debfx> any ideas on how to resolve such name conflicts?
[22:29] <Riddell> debfx: rename the symbol in kipi?  I doubt glib will rename it
[22:29] <Riddell> Mamarok: any luck?
[22:30] <Mamarok> Riddell: that wen very wrong, I got this error:  Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_amd64.deb
[22:30] <Mamarok> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:30] <Riddell> waa
[22:30] <Riddell> what was the error?
[22:30] <Mamarok> and now it tries to remove half of KDE when trying to rerun apt-get -f -install
[22:30] <Mamarok> kdebase-worksapce seems to have quite a few unresolved dependencies
[22:30] <Mamarok> let me check again
[22:31] <debfx> Riddell: sure I can write a patch like the one in amarok, but "#undef symbols" really is an ugly workaround
[22:31] <Mamarok> grr, I can't even use pastebin anymore, half of my stuff is not updated
[22:32] <Mamarok> attention, 5 lines coming:
[22:32] <Mamarok> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:32] <Mamarok>   kdebase-workspace-dev: Depends: libksignalplotter4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed
[22:32] <Mamarok>                          Depends: liblsofui4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed
[22:32] <Mamarok>                          Depends: libksgrd4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed
[22:32] <Mamarok> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[22:32] <debfx> s/symbols/signals
[22:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: what's   apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-dev   say?
[22:34] <Mamarok> kdebase-workspace-dev:
[22:34] <Mamarok>   Installed: 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4
[22:34] <Mamarok>   Candidate: 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2
[22:34] <Mamarok> should it udate this separately? How?
[22:34] <Mamarok> just installing?
[22:35] <Mamarok> which is even worse, now I have an even longer list of unmet deps
[22:36] <Mamarok> 14 in total, some are not going to be installed
[22:36] <Riddell> Mamarok: what does this give you?   sudo dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_amd64.deb
[22:42] <apachelogger> omg
[22:42]  * apachelogger starts crying
[22:42] <apachelogger> I think I have figured ubuntu-cdimage out
[22:42] <apachelogger> sort of
[22:42] <apachelogger> fregl: ^^^^
[22:46] <Mamarok> Riddell: it's a perpetuum mobile: 
[22:46] <Mamarok> dpkg: error processing kdebase-workspace-dev (--install):  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[22:46] <Mamarok> Errors were encountered while processing:  kdebase-workspace-dev
[22:47] <Mamarok> snake bit's its tail
[22:47] <apachelogger> -rw-rw-r-- 1 me me 708M 2010-05-31 23:43 www/full/kubuntu/daily/20100531.7/maverick-alternate-i386.iso
[22:47] <apachelogger> hm
[22:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: is maverick currently oversized?
[22:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've not looked
[22:48] <Mamarok> I try to run dpkg -a --configure, amybe that helps
[22:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes overzied it is
[22:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ includes lucid images?
[22:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: Amarok 2.3.1 released, care to do a quick story?  it's in maverick and kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:50] <Mamarok> Riddell: that didn't help at all: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442472/
[22:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: fooey, sorry about this, not sure what's up, maybe something else you have installed like one of those plasmoids is trying to stay installed and won't let the new kdebase-workspace stuff come in
[22:56] <Riddell> I'll need to try some tests
[22:57] <Mamarok> I can try removing some of these widgets
[23:00] <Mamarok> Riddell: the problem lies probably in plasma-widgets-workspace
[23:00] <Mamarok> all the libs try to remoe that when I check
[23:00] <Mamarok> remove*
[23:01] <Mamarok> " all my kdebase etc
[23:01] <Mamarok> +
[23:20] <neversfelde> a|wen: kdelibs is build and workspace is dep-wait
[23:20] <neversfelde> have to sleep, gn8
[23:20] <a|wen> neversfelde: perfect ... just buildint kdepimlibs now
[23:20] <a|wen> s/int/ing/g
[23:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: meh, upgrades fine for me
[23:24]  * apachelogger fiddles with reprepo
[23:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: well I need to sleep, got a cold
[23:25] <Mamarok> Riddell: now what? I can't stay with a half installed machine
[23:25] <Mamarok> get better soon
[23:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: worst case you can disable the PPA, apt-get remove libqtcore4 and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:26] <Mamarok> I guess I will do that
[23:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: sorry for the hassle and thanks for being a guinea pig
[23:27] <Mamarok> Riddell: I am used to it :)
[23:27] <Mamarok> just don't ship it in that state, or users will kill you
[23:27] <Mamarok> what about the ETA for KDE 4.4.4?
[23:29] <Riddell> tomorrow evening would be nice for 4.4.4, something to aim for
[23:34] <Mamarok> oh, sounds good :)
[23:38] <txwikinger> hehe we are working on that :)
[23:38]  * txwikinger is waiting for the libs to build
[23:40] <a|wen> txwikinger: it is built
[23:41] <a|wen> (i suppose you mean kdelibs)
[23:41] <txwikinger> well.. I need kdepimlibs too
[23:41] <txwikinger> and the other one that is waiting for kdepimlibs atm :)
[23:41] <a|wen> txwikinger: just uploaded kdepimlibs ;)
[23:41]  * fregl hugs apachelogger
[23:42] <txwikinger> yeah.. I saw it
[23:45]  * txwikinger is going to a meeting