[00:00] Mamarok: well, on mine, and since I am the primary user of that library... ;) [00:06] Riddell: in the futur I’ll do such things on my grand PC :P [00:07] bulldog98: that sounds like a super computer cluster with 5k nodes ^^ [00:09] are we going to use libgpod4 or libgpod4-nogtk for maverick? [00:09] libgpod4 [00:10] IIRC amarok does not even work anymore without gtk [00:11] kipi-plugins build-deps on libgpod-nogtk-dev but doesn't depend on libgpod* at all [00:11] that's strange [00:17] apachelogger: next time I’ll do such things on my big PC === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [00:18] bulldog98: same thing ^^ [00:18] why have we disabled mysqle_amarok_local_errmsg_feature.diff? the changelog doesn't mention anything [00:27] larsivi_: what's libglew needed for? [00:52] Riddell: build finished [00:52] Daskreech: we need libglew in main to build kdeedu [00:59] Riddell: what to do if they are build succesfully? [01:02] bulldog98: we have to clean ninja ppa before uploading 4.4.4, we have 4.4.80 in ninja now [01:02] lex79: I can’t upload to that even if it would be wanted [01:11] something is broken in maverick's glib: /usr/include/glib-2.0/gio/gdbusintrospection.h:147: error: expected unqualified-id before 'protected' [01:20] oh [01:20] GDBusInterfaceInfo contains an attribute called "signals" [01:21] JontheEchidna: since the merge, kdebase-runtime recommends virtuoso-minimal, should recommends only virtuoso-nepomuk [01:21] lex79: ideally we need to merge virtuoso [01:21] we don't want all virtuoso stuff in the cd [01:28] I hope amarok builds with QT_NO_KEYWORDS [01:38] hrm it does not [01:39] :) [01:41] * JontheEchidna begins virtuoso merge [01:42] JontheEchidna: maybe we can sync it ;) [01:42] if we have all build-deps in main... [01:42] lex79: with a package this big, best to go through manually to see if there's anything we have that would be missed if synced [01:42] * bulldog98 has the finished the build of the libs and is asking what to do next [01:43] right, ok [01:43] bulldog98: are you a ninja? [01:43] lex79: no [01:44] uhm, wait Riddell then or somebody else [01:44] I mean tomorrow at this point :) [01:45] lex79: hm at about 12 a clock he should be on right? [01:46] utc...yes [01:46] lex79: yes I ment utc [01:46] ok [01:46] lex79: looks like we can sync, but we'll have to do some nepomuk changes at the same time in kdebase-runtime [01:46] oh, soprano too [01:47] lex79: then it will be 2 a clock here and I’ll be back from school [01:47] JontheEchidna: why? kdebase-runtime depends on virtuoso-minimal [01:47] * bulldog98 goes to bed because he has to get up in 3 hours [01:47] bulldog98: ok no problem [01:47] lex79: our virtuoso package places the virtuoso-t binary in a different location [01:47] oh [01:47] actually, I think that all the changes will need done in soprano [01:48] also we can file for removal for virtuosoconverter [01:49] JontheEchidna: you have the power now to do all at the same time :) don't wait me [01:49] muwahahaha [01:49] JontheEchidna: you're a bad guy now :( [01:49] hihihih [01:49] >:D [01:51] * debfx wonders if glib would accept a patch to rename an attribute because qt #defines it [01:51] JontheEchidna: I'm writing motu application btw, and I will use also for kubuntu-dev application [01:51] allelujia [01:51] lol [03:23] well.. upgrade went awesome.. nothing apt-get -f install cant fix :P [03:23] 4.5 looks pretty awesome :D [03:29] well theres no printer config dialog :P [03:30] whats the kwin tiling feature i hear about? [03:35] apachelogger: just a small fyi.... the new khotnewstuff directly uploads your themes,etc to opendesktop.org,removing the need for a browser :P [03:44] i guess everyones off to sleep :( [03:46] shadeslayer: its a long weekend for US - tomorrow is memorial day [03:46] folks might be away taking a break, family, etc [03:49] nigelb: memorial day? [03:50] nigelb: how come your up so early? [03:50] :P [08:53] hello [08:53] i updated to kde4.5 from the experimental ppa [08:53] however, i don't get the blur effect working, although its enabled and set to max [08:54] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [08:54] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=0&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 0 [09:05] stefan`: it doesn't work where exactly? also what windeco youre using? [09:06] oxygen as windeco [09:06] its not working in any place i can observe: not in the panel, not in plasma-popups not behind windows [09:06] hmmm [09:07] if it doesn't work even in panel, then I don't know [09:07] stefan`: one of those silly things to do, but, tried relogin? (: [09:08] Tm_T: is there a place where log-messages for these effects are written? [09:08] Tm_T: hehe ;) yes, i did already :( [09:08] no idea about the logs [09:08] ...I think this is best dealt in #kde or some other support channel [09:08] Tm_T: right, thanks. [09:51] Is rekonq going to be the default browser in 10.10? [10:16] apparle: thats the plan [10:17] jussi: so konq will be there or not at all [10:17] apparle: not at all. just in the repos [10:18] jussi: and that is just with us (kubuntu) or kde is doing the same [10:18] apparle: afaik, just us. [10:18] ok [10:59] bulldog98: yo [10:59] apparle: Konqueror wont go away from KDE until... KDE 5 or way later [11:00] apparle: also including rekonq isn't that straightforward either, nor in agenda yet [11:00] Tm_T: so is it going to remain in extra gear forever :) [11:00] cannot know [11:01] but as long as it requires more frequent release schedule than KDE sc it won't be in main modules [11:01] Tm_T: if konq is not removed, why not make it a proper browser [11:01] apparle: how it isn't proper browser? [11:02] Tm_T: a very basic need.. it doesn't open a very famous site like yahoo mail [11:02] apparle: and rekonq opens? [11:02] Tm_T: I mean after modifying browser identification also [11:03] Tm_T: after modifying browser identification... yahoo mail works perfectly in rekonq [11:04] Tm_T: even gmail doesn't work to its fullest in konq [11:05] Tm_T: I don't think a normal user like me using yahoo/gmail (I haven't tried windows live or aol) would think it as a complete browser if it can't open these sites [11:07] apparle: I just logged in to yahoo mail, what doesn't work in this? [11:07] and no, I haven't changed any browser identification [11:07] Tm_T: are you using the new yahoo mail or just the old one [11:08] apparle: I have no idea what is new and what is old [11:09] apparle: ah, I now found out how to activate "new" [11:09] Tm_T: the new interface is good and fast also [11:11] how it doesn't work? [11:12] Tm_T: you mean you are in the new interface in konq without any browser identification modification [11:13] apparle: apparently I need to change the identification, but that's nothing Konqueror devels can do about [11:14] Tm_T: in my case it doesn't open even after that [11:14] apparle: try using webkit [11:14] Tm_T: ohhh [11:14] Tm_T: you should have told me earlier that you are using webkit, then rekonq and konq will be almost same. [11:14] apparle: I use khtml and webkit [11:15] Tm_T: can I do that on KDE SC4.4.2? [11:15] sure [11:15] Tm_T: how [11:17] apparle: install kpart-webkit (I think) and then restart Konqueror, then from menu: view -> view mode -> webkit [11:17] apparle: btw, if you have problems with konqueror, please submit bug reports with good simple testcases, these simple issues shouldn't be reason to call konqueror unproper [11:20] Tm_T: I just told you some cases, but it causes problems for many sites (considering there is no webkit). I can report bugs when they are ocassional but if I get them in every site, I'd better change the browser [11:21] apparle: I have currently problems in one site only, and that has broken scripts apparently [11:21] Tm_T: should I rebuilt syscoca [11:21] Tm_T: afater installation of webkit [11:21] apparle: wont hurt, though it should happen itself [11:27] Tm_T: now no complaints about konqueror... but why isn't webkit default? [11:28] apparle: it's extragear stuff [11:29] Tm_T: I don't know how things work about that, but its better than the default at least [11:29] there's plenty of integration still lacking/not working well [11:30] ...and I'm talking about current development (: [11:32] Tm_T: idk.....anyways webkit doesn't remail default in konq, anyway to fix that [11:33] cannot remember exact steps, there's plenty of guides online though [11:35] Tm_T: ok [11:52] Riddell: amarok is in the ninjas ppa [11:54] debfx: ooh, I was just about to ask [11:54] debfx: are you rediscovering your music? [11:54] JontheEchidna: kutils linking issue sorted [11:57] indeed I am ;) [12:02] Mamarok, Nightrose: is 2.3.1 a new feature release or a bugfix only release? (should we put it in updates or backports) [12:02] it has new features [12:28] * Riddell wonders why he no longer has usr/lib/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so [12:28] Riddell: Moved to kdebase-workspace-bin for me [12:30] seems a strange move, I guess win32 and mac users don't want oxygen style [12:32] debfx: amarok seems to be working well [12:32] debfx: I'll upload to maverick and to backports PPA [12:36] debfx: where is kubuntu/08_fix_ftbfs_glib_2.25.diff from? [12:37] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531113741-0ez9hsnuueperplw * src/api/ (Account.cpp Account.h) private d pointer for Account [12:38] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531113808-2v2aq5ct2xsnqevo * debian/control fix section of libubuntuone-api-dev [12:38] 4 more classes to go :/ === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [12:47] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531114742-ld0aa9sgysoy54ae * debian/control syncdaemon is in ubuntuone-client, so lets depend on that [12:52] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531115120-26qzbimmqrcvhe1w * (debian/control src/api/Account.h) Here is a thing, desktopcouch depends on gnome-keyring to work, gnome-keyring in turn does not provide an appropriate dbus service fail making it fall apart when no daemon is running \o/ [12:54] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531115424-09h60cicb61ifjl4 * data/ (org.freedesktop.secrets.service.in CMakeLists.txt) return of the gnome-keyring dbus service -.- [13:00] *sob* [13:00] Nightrose: can you please hold me, otherwise I might go rant to a lot of people [13:00] awwwww [13:00] * Nightrose hold apachelogger tightly [13:01] :* [13:01] :* [13:02] oh [13:02] now it is working Oo [13:04] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531120344-4usjzbsj13s2shl6 * (TODO debian/ubuntuone-kde.install) Install org.freedesktop.secrets service and add todo item about it [13:05] fregl: jos is also suggesting suse(studio) [13:06] apachelogger: well, that would be easy to create... basically sitting down for an hour and clickety-click, though that is not a good longterm solution [13:06] apachelogger: where does he suggest that? [13:06] fregl: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/kde-mm-edu-sprint-2010-in-xrandr/#comments [13:06] * fregl fell behind on blogreading [13:06] Jakob also got a point with "You should use kubuntu as base, since I guess people who would like a fluffy desktop don’t want to bother with drivers, codecs and such… good example is my girlfriend " [13:07] actually that is a very good argument for kubuntu altogether, since one half of the target audience really does not want to mess with this stuff [13:07] *nod* [13:08] Nightrose: is there a sane webm encoder yet? [13:08] apachelogger: do we get his girlfriend if we base it on that? lately I had no troubles with any linux distro on my outdated hardware anyway. [13:09] fregl: I think it is more about broadcom wifi and prop graphics drivers [13:09] codecs do work everywhere but arch and debian :P [13:09] apachelogger: idunno [13:09] kubotu: wp webm [13:09] Results for webm: 1. WebM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM | 2. VP8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 | 3. WebM - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM [13:09] [1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [13:19] Riddell: ping [13:20] yo bulldog98 [13:20] bulldog98: I think we should build 4.4.4 in staging [13:20] so long as apachelogger doesn't eat us [13:20] bulldog98: so can you upload kde4libs to ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging ? [13:21] Riddell: do i have to be kubuntu ninja to do so? [13:22] ohm [13:22] bulldog98: yes, we can fix that [13:22] Riddell: ninja is ocupied? [13:22] in ninja there is 4.4.80 lucid [13:22] apachelogger: it's still doing 4.4.80 bits [13:22] oh my oh my [13:23] clearly we need a second ninja ^^ [13:23] apachelogger: I’ll second that [13:23] you can upload in staging if you are a kubuntu member, not ninja [13:23] or I wrong? [13:24] need to be ninja or dev [13:24] ah [13:24] bulldog98 is now a ninja [13:24] Oo [13:24] THE FUCK [13:24] erm [13:24] sorry [13:24] "Ja, melden Sie mich in" [13:24] Nightrose: ^^^^^ [13:24] apachelogger: ninja seems an open team now :P [13:25] pardon? [13:26] http://imagebin.ca/view/Wd-3M48a.html [13:26] that is the most crappy translation I have ever ever read of login [13:26] in fact it is so horrible that probably google translate could do better [13:27] apachelogger: Oo [13:32] bulldog98: anyway, please upload to staging [13:32] Riddell: preparing that [13:32] Riddell: will need some time to upload [13:34] * bulldog98 loads the debian sources to the staging PPA will need ~half an hour [13:34] or less [13:56] Riddell: maybe I’ll do some more work this evening or tomorrow [13:57] bulldog98: you can call more ninjas to the cause of 4.4.4 with ~ninjas in this irc channel [13:57] Riddell: anything I can help with [13:57] I have to do some paid work, but I get push some things in between [13:58] s/get/can/ [13:58] txwikinger: 4.4.4 needing packaged [13:58] do we have a todo list? [13:59] 4.4.4? Didn't we already work on 4.4.80? [13:59] we did but we need to cator for all markets, stable and unstable [13:59] ninjas [13:59] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4 [14:00] Riddell: cool.. [14:00] txwikinger: do you have access to ktown? [14:01] Since I don't know, I presume no :) [14:02] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531130158-eo4m3ekzzhb137hs * src/libs/ (AuthenticationDBus.cpp AuthenticationDBus.h CMakeLists.txt) Generate AuthenticationDBus at build time [14:02] * txwikinger wonders if ktown means Kaiserslautern :) [14:03] txwikinger: try ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org [14:04] Riddell: what protocol? ftp? [14:04] or ssh? [14:04] ssh [14:04] ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org === Kolia_ is now known as Kolia [14:05] hmm.. public key denied [14:05] I guess I would have to put my public key somewhere for that [14:05] txwikinger: try again [14:05] well I'm using the one on launchpad [14:06] ah :) [14:06] let me go to my other machine :) [14:07] Riddell: no doesn't work [14:08] txwikinger: try now [14:08] no [14:08] woah we get 3.x kde back o.O [14:09] txwikinger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/ibUwFchT that one? [14:10] Riddell: yes [14:11] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531131102-dogbxan3tthh98tr * src/libs/CMakeLists.txt build++ [14:11] txwikinger: well that's the one which is in there [14:11] txwikinger: got any others to try? [14:13] Riddell: not at the moment [14:13] would have to create one [14:15] let me put them elsewhere [14:15] Riddell: it works now [14:16] ok grab from stable/4.4.4/src [14:17] ok [14:17] txwikinger: pick a package, add your name in the line in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4, grab the packaging from https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa [14:18] convert to .gz [14:18] build it [14:18] check for any new files (unlikely) [14:18] put into staging PPA [14:18] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531131815-023txmw436ezu0v9 * src/api/ (Api.cpp CMakeLists.txt) Make api try a login - still needs error handling [14:18] Riddell: ok [14:18] * Riddell out for a bit [14:24] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531132445-z5ehv043mh2ncinz * src/api/ (SubscriptionObject.cpp SubscriptionObject.h) private dptr for subscriptionobject [14:42] JontheEchidna: ping [14:42] agateau: pong [14:42] JontheEchidna: hi, did you get my konversation indicator patch? [14:43] agateau: yes. It doesn't seem to build, though :( I would have emailed, but my kmail was a bit busted [14:43] JontheEchidna: oh :( do you have an url for the build error? [14:44] agateau: No, but I can get the build failure in about 10 minutes locally [14:44] JontheEchidna: sounds good [14:45] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531134521-lpifvbmdsmsqq1fi * src/api/ (7 files) Shared D-Pointer for Subscription! + Merge Subscription classes in one file [14:47] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531134708-npdj641k5t3ywylb * src/api/Subscription.h TODO++ [14:53] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/api/Subscription.h it is a beauty [15:01] agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442292/ [15:04] Riddell: I wrote that patch [15:12] JontheEchidna: where can I grab the source package? [15:12] sec [15:15] agateau: dget http://people.ubuntu.com/~echidnaman/konversation_1.3~beta1-1ubuntu1.dsc [15:15] guys what is Q_Q macro [15:16] JontheEchidna: downloading [15:17] apparle: it is a magic Qt macro used inside of a *Private class, [15:17] apparle: after it you can use the q var to refer to the public class [15:17] agateau: do you have a link or something which would have an example implementation [15:18] apparle: mmm... Qt source code is full of this... [15:18] apparle: but I don't know where it's implemented [15:18] apparle: actually I do [15:19] apparle: it's in qglobal.h and it expands to: [15:19] #define Q_D(Class) Class##Private * const d = d_func() [15:19] #define Q_Q(Class) Class * const q = q_func() [15:19] (pasted Q_D while I was at it) [15:20] agateau: my bad..... i meant to say, do you have an usage example [15:20] apparle: look inside qt, it's used everywhere [15:20] agateau: ok [15:30] JontheEchidna: is it normal debian/patches/debian-changes-1.3\~beta1-1ubuntu1 contains changes which look like a revert of the indicator patch? [15:30] agateau: mm, no. good catch.' [15:30] JontheEchidna: that's what I suspected :) [15:31] JontheEchidna: tell me if there are still other problems [15:31] will do. Thanks again [15:37] agateau: looks good [15:37] JontheEchidna: great! [15:37] bulldog98: did you get to upload kdelibs to staging? [15:38] Riddell: if I provide you with a Qt patch for appmenu support today, will this be in alpha1? [15:58] right, so here is what Id really love to see. http://imagebin.ca/view/wN1IwXck.html :D (but a bit more polished than my krita'ing skills can manage) [15:59] Basically, daisy dock, with the ability to add plasmoids to it (not just launchers) and a specially placed systray (or whatever people are calling it these days). [16:00] jussi: In KDE, it's called the systray. [16:01] :D [16:01] ScottK: so what do you think? look like something acheivable? [16:01] or even useful? [16:01] Not trivially. [16:01] OK, thats what I was asking. :D [16:02] It requires widgets to overlap and interact in a way that they don't right now. [16:02] ahh [16:02] I think it looks cool. Not sure how useful i would be. [16:03] (but I hate OS X, so I'm probably not the best judge) [16:03] I think Ill have a word with the daisy people (once I go ask google who they are) to see if they are interested. [16:05] ScottK: ooh, looks like they are working on something along the lines of what I was saying: http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7057/snapshot4r.jpg === ghostcube is now known as babyrobbe === babyrobbe is now known as ghostcube === ghostcube is now known as sash_mobile === sash_mobile is now known as sash_mobil [16:15] It used to be I'd see the complete lack of mention of Kubuntu in http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/05/track-desktop-and-une-in-maverick.html and get annoyed. Now I'm convinced it's a feature. === sash_mobil is now known as ghostcube [16:24] fregl: linux distros are one patchy mess of implicit knowledge and public tools [16:49] kubotu: np [16:49] apachelogger is listening to "As One" by Dropkick Murphys [Blackout, 2003] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6gGQUPS2lFMzwcrJG4fnN4] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [16:50] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100531155033-r1qvfce2unpv85kg * COPYING Add gpl3 [17:24] apachelogger: tell me something new :) [17:32] seaLne: can you get some freenode staffer to help us hijack #fluffy? ^^ [17:32] seems deserted anyway [17:34] apachelogger: you should speak to JvA [17:40] fregl: you should speak to JvA, tsimpson says ;) [17:40] * fregl kicks apachelogger :D [17:41] pff [17:41] fregl: I am doing the packaging :P [17:42] tsimpson: query, or is there a staff channel? [17:42] fregl: they aren't staff, but they are the owner of the channel. so /query :) [17:43] hehe, ok [17:43] agateau: hi, yes I could do a qt upload if you have a patch [17:43] all staff will tell you is to ask the owner anyway, unless you file a Group Registration Form with freenode and wait about a year [17:43] * apachelogger is all for #kde-fluffy if that fails [17:43] fregl: dpkg-deb: building package `fluffy-unicorn' in `../fluffy-unicorn_0.0.0~alpha1_i386.deb'. [17:44] apachelogger: is it kubuntu based? [17:44] ^ and hope KDE don't mind [17:44] jussi: yeah [17:44] tsimpson: why should they? [17:44] apachelogger: no reason, just freenode policy (blah, blah, blah) [17:44] we haz 50 likers on facebook!!! :P [17:44] * fregl becomes all bouncy in anticipation ;) [17:44] apachelogger: #kubuntu-fluffy? :D :P [17:45] that would make it a kubuntu flavor, which it is not [17:45] awww... it should be! [17:45] it isn't really official kde flavor either I'd say ;) [17:45] one day, it probably will be [17:46] it should be the official *buntu flavor :P [17:46] but I like blue too much ;) [17:46] apachelogger: we should do a fluffy sprint [17:46] LOL [17:46] fregl: totally [17:47] fregl: so #ubuntu-fluffy? [17:47] we need sponsors... [17:47] sabdfl: ^ a friendly reminder ;) [17:47] rofl, together with the facebook page that sounds about right [17:48] kubotu: np [17:48] apachelogger is listening to "Boys on the Docks" by Dropkick Murphys [Live on St. Patrick's Day] [http://open.spotify.com/track/3OBMOFQLsOFrhv2b9REB4h] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [17:52] ScottK: congrats on becoming a DD! [17:52] you're a DD now? [17:52] shiiiiiiiiiiiny [17:53] ScottK: Congrats! [17:53] kubotu: topic add \o \o ScottK is now Debian overlord o/ o/ === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | ninjas packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4 4.5 beta https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | \o \o ScottK is now Debian overlord o/ o/ [17:54] and remember, you too can be a debian developer after only two and a half years [17:54] \o/ === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [17:58] congrats ScottK [17:58] congrats ScottK [17:58] kubotu: topic add Fluffy will be based on Kubuntu === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | ninjas packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4 4.5 beta https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | \o \o ScottK is now Debian overlord o/ o/ | Fluffy will be based on Kubuntu [18:23] oh why is the kubuntu website broken? [18:23] can't edit anything now [18:24] congratulations ScottK [18:26] neversfelde: Thanks. [18:26] Riddell: "enhanced security from changes" [18:36] Xand3r: ping [18:37] jarp? [18:38] Xand3r: when will my groupies group get some better looking? :P [18:38] you could really ditch in a pic of me at the very least ^^ [18:39] apachelogger: i dont know [18:39] Nightrose: what blog post to publish? the one about qjson or the one about the lack of scheduling software? [18:39] Xand3r: you could make Nightrose admin, she sure will know how to groupiefy the page ^^ [18:39] apachelogger: scheduling [18:40] Nightrose: got time to review the content? [18:40] * apachelogger thinks that some sort of ending is missing [18:40] ok [18:49] Is anyone already investigating why kdemultimedia FTBFS? [18:51] something up with the codec packages? [18:51] I've not looked into it [18:51] for 4.4.4 we update the packages in the updates ppa, right? [18:53] Riddell: I'll have a look. [18:53] neversfelde: yes, building in staging now then moving to updates when complete and tested [18:54] get the 4.4.3 packaging from updates ppa to start [18:54] Riddell: k, thank you, I was not sure, if there are "official" packages in the archive somewhere [18:55] Riddell: The problem is libavutil50 in Universe. [18:57] Riddell: Source is already in Main. [18:57] If you can promote it in the next 6 minutes, then we can retry in 51... [18:58] * Riddell hears the timer from 24 counting [18:58] ScottK: done! [18:58] Excellent. Thanks. [19:20] * apachelogger is mirroring the ubuntu archive \\o/ [19:23] fregl: first package of fluffy-unicorn built btw [19:24] I bet it took ages to compile :P [19:24] apachelogger: you rock! [19:26] fregl: it took 4 minutes!!! :P [19:26] also the source tar is like 5 mib [19:26] hehe [19:26] bloat! [19:26] which seems a bit big considering the amount of content [19:26] I bet our users care much... well 50% of them [19:27] good thing we don't have any users yet [19:27] its more about the developers :P [19:27] except us... [19:27] uploading 5 mib takes longer than 2 :P [19:27] ah, I see [19:27] so we need to trim that [19:27] yeah, though I think I suqeeze already a lot using the buid magic [19:27] apachelogger: what did you include? just the stuff we have on gitorious? will it automatically paint everything pink by magic? [19:28] cause there is this awesome too git-buildpackage which builds me a debian source right off the git branch [19:28] fregl: no automagics yet [19:28] includes icon, kopete, parley, plasma [19:28] it's a beginning :) [19:29] to override the defaults I suppse we should go the kubuntu way and just sneak into the config cascading (saves us patching etc.) [19:29] also, I cannot include your rekonq stuff becuase it would conflict with the rekonq package and dpkg would be all whiny about that ;) [19:29] I know [19:29] with cascaded configs we can work around that [19:30] too bad it doesn't support proper themeing [19:30] that is if rekonq actually does a cascaded lookup [19:30] [ 26%] Getting: pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-dbg_4.4.80-0ubuntu2_i386.deb... pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-dbg_4.4.80-0ubuntu2_i386.deb failed 500 Server closed connection without sending any data back [19:30] brrr [19:31] * apachelogger thinks that once he is done mirroring he will updates his mirror again ^^ [19:47] Riddell: What's the plan for kdebindings? [19:48] I see ubuntu2 is rejected and ubuntu1 can't build because the source is superceded. [20:22] ScottK: was going to look at it tonight if nobody else had got to it [20:23] OK. Good luck. [20:23] * ScottK tries hard to look busy with other things. [20:35] apachelogger: You have comments awaiting moderation. [20:36] * apachelogger puts his moderator hat on === pepe is now known as EagleScreen [20:38] ah [20:38] * apachelogger was waiting for that ^^ [20:38] ScottK: see, the fact that this is not documented is what I was ranting about earlier when I said that distros are a patchy pool of implict knowledge :P [20:38] ScottK: whom would one be asking about summit.ubuntu.com? [20:39] apachelogger: I'd try jcastro. [20:39] Keybuck developed it, but isn't allowed to work on it anymore because he's fixing boot stuff. [20:59] ScottK, Nightrose: http://www.pentabarf.org/Main_Page [20:59] looks promising at first glance [20:59] I mean, it looks like crap, but the functionallity looks promising ;) [21:00] Unfortunately it talks about ruby gems and stuff. [21:00] Almost a guarantee of upstream insanity. [21:01] apachelogger: any demo of it anywhere? [21:01] Nightrose: getting one setup [21:01] cool [21:03] ScottK: it is made using rails, so it almost certainly must be talking about gems ;) [21:06] argh [21:06] Nightrose: dont have no psql access on kollide :( [21:06] mpfh [21:07] bulldog98: ping [21:13] * apachelogger really wished he had the money to run a proper server for his projects -.- [21:14] bulldog98: I build kdelibs 4.4.4 and will upload it to staging, so that we can go ahead [21:17] gemming and mirroring at the same time is a bad idea [21:19] Nightrose: we used pentabarf for akademy 2007 although on the day the server was busy and it failed [21:20] Riddell: hehe [21:20] bad [21:20] but not the fault of pentabarf, or so seaLne said [21:20] Nightrose: how's the amarok release going? [21:21] Riddell: since i'm doing it alone it'll take another 30 mins at least [21:21] :/ [21:21] thats the thing debconf uses for registration right? [21:22] maco: yes [21:23] Mamarok: fancy testing 4.5 beta again from experimental? [21:23] ah drupal i love you for deleting my text [21:23] \o/ [21:24] Riddell: I tired a few minutes ago, digikam is still to be removed here [21:24] tried* [21:26] does anyone of those with a working kde 4.5 beta1 see the blur effect? [21:31] Nightrose: https://edge.launchpad.net/summit [21:31] supposedly it only works with the launchpad blueprints system [21:33] Mamarok: I just copied it over but it's not published yet, let's wait a few minutes [21:33] stefan___: no I don't [21:34] Riddell: but its enabled in your system settings? [21:36] yes [21:36] apachelogger: added lucid-proposed, upgraded, restarted, started kontact, got this: http://krf.kollide.net/files/image/kubuntu-akonadi-failure.png [21:38] Riddell: u think its a packaging issue or upstream? [21:38] KRF: what does details say? [21:40] "keine resourcen-vermittler gefunden" [21:43] ohm [21:43] KRF: completel log to apachelogger@ubuntu.com please [21:43] does it work for you or what? [21:43] apt-cache policy kdepimlibs5 too [21:43] KRF: it always did [21:45] * apachelogger needs to test in a vm [21:45] its easy to reproduce for me, install kubuntu on a vm, start kontact -> whoops [21:45] test it, yeah [21:46] i dont have the time to do so right now ;) [21:48] Mamarok: should be published, want to try again? [21:49] stefan___: I see an explanation has been found in #kde-d [21:50] Riddell: you mean the 64bit issue? [21:50] yes [21:51] ninja wiki mentions that we should call the packages ~lucid1~ppa1, but in updates the packages are called ~ppa1, which is correct? [21:52] Riddell: do you know if there were conflicts of qt keywords with glib before? [21:52] it does not matter, I think? [21:54] neversfelde: as 4.4.80 is in maverick it doesn't matter afaics [21:54] k, I called kdelibs ~lucid1~ppa1 [21:54] neversfelde: better to use ~lucid1~ppa1 in the hope we might get it into lucid-updates which would use ~lucid1 [21:54] so I think we should use this [21:54] Riddell: k [21:54] debfx: hmm, I don't think so [21:55] neversfelde: i used the same for kdepimlibs (requires 4.4.4 kdelibs to even testbuilt, so a stalled atm) [21:56] good [21:56] kdelibs should be build in 1 h or so [21:56] cool [21:57] Riddell: Trying right now [21:57] Riddell: I think kipi-plugins fails to build for the same reason [21:59] 'grats ScottK [21:59] Riddell: Manage to edit? [22:00] ryanakca: nope [22:00] ryanakca: can you? [22:01] ryanakca: first load of a page it has the Edit tab, second it doesn't [22:01] debfx: same as digikam? [22:03] Riddell: not sure, which digikam upload fails to build? [22:04] well the build-depends have changed with 4.5 so I had to change them [22:04] debfx: what's up with kipi-plugins? glib symbols issue? [22:04] Riddell: hmmm... works here :/ [22:05] ryanakca: you might have to put up an amarok story shortly then :) [22:05] Riddell: a glib header file contains a variable called "signals" [22:05] Riddell: Alright [22:07] debfx: oh that's evil [22:07] I'm surprised that this doesn't happen more often [22:07] neversfelde: was my kdelibs rejectet? or didn‘t it uploaded completlly [22:08] bulldog98: don't know [22:08] it was not there [22:09] you should got a mail from lp about it [22:09] neversfelde: looking [22:09] bulldog98: I already uploaded kdleibs [22:09] neversfelde: saw it [22:10] but think ~ppa would be enought, cause they won’t go to maverick [22:11] neversfelde: will build other part [22:11] bulldog98: as Riddell mentioned above it is better to use ~lucid1 because of the lucid-backports [22:11] neversfelde: ok [22:22] any ideas on how to resolve such name conflicts? [22:29] debfx: rename the symbol in kipi? I doubt glib will rename it [22:29] Mamarok: any luck? [22:30] Riddell: that wen very wrong, I got this error: Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_amd64.deb [22:30] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [22:30] waa [22:30] what was the error? [22:30] and now it tries to remove half of KDE when trying to rerun apt-get -f -install [22:30] kdebase-worksapce seems to have quite a few unresolved dependencies [22:30] let me check again [22:31] Riddell: sure I can write a patch like the one in amarok, but "#undef symbols" really is an ugly workaround [22:31] grr, I can't even use pastebin anymore, half of my stuff is not updated [22:32] attention, 5 lines coming: [22:32] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [22:32] kdebase-workspace-dev: Depends: libksignalplotter4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed [22:32] Depends: liblsofui4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed [22:32] Depends: libksgrd4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed [22:32] E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. [22:32] s/symbols/signals [22:33] Mamarok: what's apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-dev say? [22:34] kdebase-workspace-dev: [22:34] Installed: 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4 [22:34] Candidate: 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 [22:34] should it udate this separately? How? [22:34] just installing? [22:35] which is even worse, now I have an even longer list of unmet deps [22:36] 14 in total, some are not going to be installed [22:36] Mamarok: what does this give you? sudo dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_amd64.deb [22:42] omg [22:42] * apachelogger starts crying [22:42] I think I have figured ubuntu-cdimage out [22:42] sort of [22:42] fregl: ^^^^ [22:46] Riddell: it's a perpetuum mobile: [22:46] dpkg: error processing kdebase-workspace-dev (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [22:46] Errors were encountered while processing: kdebase-workspace-dev [22:47] snake bit's its tail [22:47] -rw-rw-r-- 1 me me 708M 2010-05-31 23:43 www/full/kubuntu/daily/20100531.7/maverick-alternate-i386.iso [22:47] hm [22:47] Riddell: is maverick currently oversized? [22:48] apachelogger: I've not looked [22:48] I try to run dpkg -a --configure, amybe that helps [22:48] Riddell: yes overzied it is [22:49] Riddell: also, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ includes lucid images? [22:49] ryanakca: Amarok 2.3.1 released, care to do a quick story? it's in maverick and kubuntu-ppa/backports [22:50] Riddell: that didn't help at all: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442472/ [22:56] Mamarok: fooey, sorry about this, not sure what's up, maybe something else you have installed like one of those plasmoids is trying to stay installed and won't let the new kdebase-workspace stuff come in [22:56] I'll need to try some tests [22:57] I can try removing some of these widgets [23:00] Riddell: the problem lies probably in plasma-widgets-workspace [23:00] all the libs try to remoe that when I check [23:00] remove* [23:01] " all my kdebase etc [23:01] + === emma_ is now known as emma === pepepepe is now known as EagleScreen [23:20] a|wen: kdelibs is build and workspace is dep-wait [23:20] have to sleep, gn8 [23:20] neversfelde: perfect ... just buildint kdepimlibs now [23:20] s/int/ing/g [23:23] Mamarok: meh, upgrades fine for me [23:24] * apachelogger fiddles with reprepo [23:25] Mamarok: well I need to sleep, got a cold [23:25] Riddell: now what? I can't stay with a half installed machine [23:25] get better soon [23:26] Mamarok: worst case you can disable the PPA, apt-get remove libqtcore4 and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [23:26] I guess I will do that [23:26] Mamarok: sorry for the hassle and thanks for being a guinea pig [23:27] Riddell: I am used to it :) [23:27] just don't ship it in that state, or users will kill you [23:27] what about the ETA for KDE 4.4.4? [23:29] tomorrow evening would be nice for 4.4.4, something to aim for [23:34] oh, sounds good :) [23:38] hehe we are working on that :) [23:38] * txwikinger is waiting for the libs to build [23:40] txwikinger: it is built [23:41] (i suppose you mean kdelibs) [23:41] well.. I need kdepimlibs too [23:41] and the other one that is waiting for kdepimlibs atm :) [23:41] txwikinger: just uploaded kdepimlibs ;) [23:41] * fregl hugs apachelogger [23:42] yeah.. I saw it [23:45] * txwikinger is going to a meeting