| ChrisWoollard | goodnight | 00:42 |
|---|---|---|
| humphreybc | ping flan, godbyk | 01:29 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: pong | 02:18 |
| dutchie | poor humphreybc being bullied in #python | 07:16 |
| humphreybc | yep | 07:16 |
| humphreybc | it's sad | 07:16 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: why were you bullied in #python? | 07:18 |
| humphreybc | asking for help with this file, http://paste.ubuntu.com/442079/ | 07:19 |
| humphreybc | no wait | 07:19 |
| humphreybc | that's the wrong one | 07:19 |
| humphreybc | this | 07:19 |
| humphreybc | http://paste.ubuntu.com/442083/ | 07:19 |
| nisshh | whats so bad about that? | 07:19 |
| humphreybc | dunno, apparently it's 6 year old level stuff though | 07:19 |
| nisshh | ah | 07:20 |
| humphreybc | they were just like "oh, that's easy, just add the defribilator to the combobulator and we'll skedaddle the doodle." | 07:20 |
| humphreybc | I was like.... what!? | 07:20 |
| nisshh | haha, they like doing that | 07:20 |
| nisshh | yay!, just hit rev 100 on my app | 07:21 |
| manualbot | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/100 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 100 | 07:21 |
| nisshh | bad manualbot | 07:22 |
| nisshh | naughty manualbot! | 07:22 |
| dutchie | humphreybc: i made your indentation consistent and it decided to work | 07:23 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 07:23 |
| humphreybc | it's working okay now | 07:23 |
| humphreybc | dutchie, tell me how I can change this code so I can create multiple houses at different positions | 07:23 |
| humphreybc | self.ball_size = ball_size | 07:23 |
| humphreybc | gahh | 07:23 |
| humphreybc | http://paste.ubuntu.com/442078/ | 07:23 |
| humphreybc | it's really annoying me | 07:23 |
| dutchie | using the x and y arguments would help | 07:24 |
| dutchie | moment | 07:24 |
| dutchie | it's been a while since I used Tkinter | 07:27 |
| dutchie | humphreybc: what are the arguments to the create_rectangle/create_line methods? | 07:30 |
| humphreybc | ummm | 07:30 |
| humphreybc | rectangle is x0, y0, x1, y1 | 07:31 |
| humphreybc | where x0 and y0 is the point of the upper left corner, x1 and y1 is the point of the lower right corner | 07:31 |
| humphreybc | not sure about line | 07:31 |
| dutchie | humphreybc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442098/ ought to do the trick | 07:34 |
| humphreybc | what's all that stuff down the bottom? | 07:36 |
| dutchie | make it run nicely as a script | 07:37 |
| dutchie | not sure why i bothered with it tbh | 07:37 |
| dutchie | the if __name__ == '__main__': trick makes the code run only if the script is run directly, not imported | 07:38 |
| humphreybc | dutchie: so what's the root thing mean? | 07:41 |
| humphreybc | and howcome this doesn't work? http://paste.ubuntu.com/442101/ | 07:41 |
| humphreybc | I removed the script stuff | 07:41 |
| dutchie | humphreybc: a function called draw_house should draw a house, no more, no less | 07:43 |
| dutchie | it shouldn't be creating its own root thingy | 07:43 |
| dutchie | so i fiddled it to use a root that was passed in as an argument | 07:44 |
| humphreybc | I don't understand what this root thing is anyway | 07:45 |
| dutchie | i don't either, but then i haven't used Tkinter in years | 07:47 |
| humphreybc | calling multiple instances of draw_house creates lots of different windows, one after the other | 07:48 |
| * humphreybc is about ready to give up | 07:48 | |
| dutchie | is this your draw_house or my draw_house? | 07:49 |
| humphreybc | lemme show you | 07:50 |
| humphreybc | http://paste.ubuntu.com/442106/ | 07:51 |
| dutchie | that's because each time you call draw_house, you create a new Tk instance | 07:52 |
| dutchie | humphreybc: is there some sort of united docs/manual/learning team meeting today? | 10:23 |
| nisshh | dutchie: thats exactly what i asked humphreybc yesterday | 10:28 |
| humphreybc | dutchie: ah, yes there is. I won't be there. | 10:29 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: when i it? | 10:31 |
| nisshh | is | 10:31 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: ^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!! | 10:35 |
| dutchie | http://doodle.com/pgabxqswksmgsx8g | 10:37 |
| dutchie | 1600UTC | 10:38 |
| nisshh | thanks dutchie | 10:38 |
| nisshh | meh, midnight for me | 10:39 |
| humphreybc | 4am my time | 10:40 |
| humphreybc | sorry, IRC is playing up | 10:40 |
| humphreybc | nothing happens and then all of a sudden everything appears at once about 2 minutes later | 10:42 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: thats called lag | 10:53 |
| === popey_ is now known as popey | ||
| humphreybc | WHY IS PIDGIN BEING A DICK | 11:39 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: because empathy is better? | 11:49 |
| humphreybc | don't be foolish | 11:49 |
| humphreybc | pidgin (usually) rocks | 11:49 |
| nisshh | meh, whatever, im just saying | 11:53 |
| humphreybc | tell me what I'm meant to do here | 11:54 |
| humphreybc | http://paste.ubuntu.com/442187/ | 11:54 |
| nisshh | linux-kernel-k9wu2ru32u3 | 13:33 |
| nisshh | oops | 13:34 |
| nisshh | ignore that | 13:34 |
| nisshh | :) | 13:34 |
| nisshh | thats what happens when your typing and not looking at the screen ^^^^^^ | 13:34 |
| === \vish is now known as vish | ||
| c7p | meeting in 5 min? | 16:55 |
| nisshh | c7p: yea, where is it? | 16:55 |
| nisshh | which channel i mean | 16:56 |
| c7p | #ubuntu-meeting | 16:56 |
| nisshh | right | 16:56 |
| c7p | from what i see on ML agenda based on the blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-documentation-teams-collaboration | 16:57 |
| nisshh | c7p: yea, and humphreybc cant be at the meeting, so i have no idea who is chairing it | 16:59 |
| nisshh | or if its even still happening tonight | 17:00 |
| c7p | i think Elizabeth chairing the meeting, but I'm not sure :/ | 17:00 |
| godbyk | I think so, too. | 17:01 |
| nisshh | right | 17:01 |
| nisshh | i have so many channels open here im getting confused | 17:02 |
| * nisshh closes a few unused ones | 17:02 | |
| godbyk | Morning, IlyaHaykinson! | 17:03 |
| ubuntujenkins | /me has fixed his udev rule | 17:03 |
| * ubuntujenkins has fixed his udev rule | 17:03 | |
| * IlyaHaykinson waves to godbyk | 17:03 | |
| * dutchie has rediscovered his Game Boy Advance SP | 17:03 | |
| * nisshh still has his original nintendo ds | 17:04 | |
| nisshh | with a whopping 100Mhz cpu | 17:04 |
| * c7p ah.. good old days of playing game boy with friends at the neighbourhood | 17:05 | |
| nisshh | yea i had a gameboy color | 17:05 |
| nisshh | go! pikachu! | 17:05 |
| * IlyaHaykinson thinks back to his first desktop PC with an amazing clock speed of 4.77Mhz :-) | 17:05 | |
| c7p | hehe | 17:05 |
| nisshh | iv actually got all the pokemon episodes on my hard drive here | 17:06 |
| * godbyk remembers having a big switch to slow that puppy down so he could play games at human speed. :) | 17:06 | |
| nisshh | godbyk: lol | 17:06 |
| c7p | nisshh: how many seasons ? | 17:06 |
| IlyaHaykinson | godbyk: heh. yeah. the "turbo" button, eh? | 17:07 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson: Yep! | 17:07 |
| godbyk | Talk about 'overclocking'! :) | 17:07 |
| IlyaHaykinson | or its cousin, the "slowdown" TSR | 17:08 |
| godbyk | TSRs! Oh, man.. forgot about those! | 17:08 |
| godbyk | I remember spending way too much time rearranging things in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files so that I could load more TSRs. | 17:08 |
| thorwil | there seems to be a lack of pleia2 | 17:09 |
| nisshh | c7p: 12 seasons plus all the movies | 17:09 |
| godbyk | thorwil: There does. And she's not logged into the server. | 17:09 |
| c7p | nisshh: wow ! there are 12 seasons ... omg | 17:09 |
| nisshh | yea, because of the newest games on dsi | 17:10 |
| nisshh | heartgold and soulsilver | 17:10 |
| thorwil | godbyk: btw, i once knew, but how does one look for a user on the server (xchat)? | 17:10 |
| IlyaHaykinson | godbyk: EMM386 FTW | 17:10 |
| IlyaHaykinson | thorwil: msg nickserv info pleia2 | 17:10 |
| godbyk | thorwil: I just ran /whois pleia2 and the server said no one was around by that name. | 17:10 |
| thorwil | ty | 17:10 |
| nisshh | c7p: thats 610 episodes | 17:11 |
| * ubuntujenkins wonders what has happend | 17:11 | |
| nisshh | yea, what the hell is going on now? | 17:12 |
| c7p | nisshh: :o have you watched all these ? | 17:12 |
| c7p | nothing ! | 17:12 |
| nisshh | c7p: nope! iv watched about 80 episodes | 17:12 |
| IlyaHaykinson | benjamin's not around either afaik | 17:12 |
| nisshh | IlyaHaykinson: yea, he said he wasnt going to be here | 17:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | ben isn't coming its 4am for him | 17:13 |
| thorwil | i think Ben is getting old if that stops him now ;) | 17:13 |
| nisshh | ubuntujenkins: hang on, he is being lazy, its 4am for me when we have meetings in here! :) | 17:13 |
| === godbyk_ is now known as godbyk | ||
| nisshh | thorwil: no kidding | 17:15 |
| nisshh | IlyaHaykinson: look whos here ^^^^ | 17:37 |
| semioticrobotic | unbelievable internet issues today | 17:59 |
| semioticrobotic | was anyone able to make today's meeting? | 17:59 |
| IlyaHaykinson | semioticrobotic: it didn't happen. | 18:00 |
| IlyaHaykinson | none of the stakeholders were around | 18:00 |
| semioticrobotic | IlyaHaykinson, no? | 18:00 |
| godbyk | The only people who showed up where ubuntu manual team members. | 18:00 |
| IlyaHaykinson | well, none of the docs-side people, nor the attendees of UDS | 18:00 |
| semioticrobotic | even after pleia2's email? | 18:00 |
| semioticrobotic | hmmm, I see | 18:00 |
| semioticrobotic | well, that makes the last hour of network trouble I've had seem a little more bearable | 18:01 |
| semioticrobotic | oh well. thanks for the info, IlyaHaykinson | 18:01 |
| daker | see you :) | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | so sorry about the meeting this morning | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | I ended up having too much going on this weekend, I was exhausted | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | (holiday weekend here in the US, made the schedule more difficult than I anticipated) | 20:33 |
| godbyk | pleia2: No problem. We can schedule another meeting soon. | 20:34 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:34 | |
| godbyk | I think Ilya and I are going to email some stuff to the lists later tonight, as well. | 20:34 |
| pleia2 | that'd be great :) | 20:35 |
| godbyk | We've laid out what we think would be a good 'phase 1' for the project. | 20:35 |
| * ubuntujenkins hopes soon is after the 15/6 that way i have finished exams :) | 20:35 | |
| godbyk | And that leads us to some roles we need to fill and decisions we'll need to make. | 20:35 |
| pleia2 | I just need to touch base with the docs folks re: mallard, then I think we'll be on the right track for -learning as well | 20:35 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I have to look at mallard a bit more, but from what I've heard, it may not be the best choice for the manual project at least. | 20:36 |
| godbyk | We're going to see what the docbook->mallard conversion looks like. | 20:36 |
| godbyk | If that seems like a smooth enough translation, we may use docbook as the base and then translate from docbook to mallard and latex. | 20:36 |
| pleia2 | are there features which are missing that you'll need? or syntax problems? | 20:36 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:36 | |
| godbyk | Today I'm going to look at all the tags we're using for the manual and see if they exist in mallard, but I think the primary problem with our (the manual project) using mallard is that it's not designed for linear docs (like books); it's designed for topic-based help (like the system docs and yelp). | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | ah, gotcha | 20:38 |
| godbyk | For the learning team, I'm not sure what kind of docs you're looking to write. So I can speak for you. :) | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | mostly what amount to handouts for students and teachers for a class outline and material | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | docbook may be more appropriate here too, plus it's a popular format, skills transferrable and all (something that made me shy away from mallard) | 20:39 |
| flan | Yay for Docbook. | 20:39 |
| godbyk | yeah, there are a lot of existing tools for docbook, also. | 20:40 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:40 | |
| godbyk | Instead of having endless discussions about it (with the 'I vote for x' and the 'me too's), I think we're going to propose docbook with mallard as an output format and see what issues people raise. | 20:41 |
| pleia2 | yeah, there have already been endless discussions | 20:41 |
| flan | You might want to take that a step further and toss it into a community known to be filled with trolls. | 20:42 |
| flan | They'll probably come up with really strange arguments that might actually affect us. | 20:42 |
| flan | The question, I mean. | 20:42 |
| flan | Posed as something you're just casually looking into. | 20:42 |
| godbyk | flan: We'll be posting it to the manual, docs, and learning lists. Hopefully, that'll draw enough attention. | 20:43 |
| pleia2 | there have been threads on the -doc list for months about what format to use | 20:43 |
| pleia2 | I'm quite sure they are going to go with mallard because that's what gnome went with | 20:43 |
| flan | I mean something like the Gentoo forums. | 20:43 |
| pleia2 | if there's a way to output docbook into mallard I don't see a problem with learning and manual going with docbook | 20:44 |
| pleia2 | s/into/to | 20:44 |
| godbyk | pleia2: Right. I still have to look into that, but I think it's doable. | 20:45 |
| godbyk | In the end, the format shouldn't matter to most people because they'll be using a web-based editor to edit/write content. | 20:45 |
| pleia2 | yeah, but we do need to keep our core content creators happy (which I think is more likely if we use docbook) | 20:46 |
| godbyk | True. | 20:46 |
| pleia2 | well, one of my projects for this weekend is painting some storage units, so I'm heading back to that now | 20:52 |
| pleia2 | thanks for taking the time to chat, sorry about about the meeting, I feel terrible | 20:53 |
| pleia2 | s/about about/again about | 20:53 |
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| pleia2 | godbyk: did you see dholbach's email from this morning on -doc? maybe replying to that? | 21:01 |
| pleia2 | he seems mistaken in that it's a move from wiki to a format (right now it's wiki AND docbook), but he is getting the conversation started yet again | 21:01 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I saw that. | 21:02 |
| godbyk | I think the packaging team is looking to write a manual as well. | 21:02 |
| godbyk | I remotely attended their UDS session when they were discussing it. | 21:02 |
| * pleia2 nods | 21:02 | |
| ubuntujenkins | I would have liked a packaging manual about 4 months ago :( | 21:02 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: no doubt! | 21:03 |
| ubuntujenkins | I have learnt so much this year thanks to the team :) | 21:03 |
| pleia2 | ubuntujenkins: something more user friendly than the debian devel docs? | 21:03 |
| pleia2 | they are good, but it's kinda a steep learning curve | 21:03 |
| godbyk | It seemed like manuals were all the rage at UDS. A number of the sessions I eavesdropped on were discussing writing their own. | 21:03 |
| zus | pleia2, do you mind a quick pm? | 21:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | pleia2: I may have read them, I read so much I think all of them are not simple enough for newer useres | 21:04 |
| pleia2 | zus: nope, that's fine :) | 21:04 |
| zus | pleia2, ty one sec. | 21:04 |
| pleia2 | ubuntujenkins: yeah, they do seem to assume a level of expertise that I think a lot of newcomers don't have | 21:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | I have been using ubuntu for about 2 years and got thrown in the deep end as far a programming goes which made it hard. Now i work on quickshot and the manual latex ppa | 21:05 |
| pleia2 | cool :) | 21:05 |
| ubuntujenkins | pleia2: on the topic of quickshot flan and i sent this to the list https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-May/014801.html had the learning team got any thoughts/feed back on the teams plans? | 21:06 |
| pleia2 | ubuntujenkins: unfortunately I haven't had a chance to test out quickshot, but I'll put it on my list (thanks for the reminder) since I will probably need it relatively soon anyway | 21:07 |
| * pleia2 has been pretty overwhelmed since UDS | 21:08 | |
| ubuntujenkins | yea I think we are aiming for a september release for the next version, it will be drastically differnet as the first one was done in 3-5 weeks. No rush i just thought i would ask | 21:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | how quickly it gets done depends on personal work loadsetc | 21:10 |
| pleia2 | yeah, the learning team doesn't have a schedule tied to releases at this time since our focus tends to be on LTS and we release courses as we have volunteers to write/need them | 21:12 |
| zus | i was wondering who to ask on uploading the ubuntu manual on a torrent site | 21:12 |
| godbyk | zus: I think there's already a torrent. | 21:13 |
| godbyk | zus: But in any case, you're certainly welcome to. It's licensed as CC-BY-SA: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ | 21:15 |
| zus | godbyk, yeah i was looking to upload something to a site i like to use for torrents. | 21:15 |
| godbyk | I don't know anything about the current torrent. One of the guys on the team stumbled across it and posted a link, but I haven't looked at it. | 21:16 |
| godbyk | I'll try to find the link. | 21:16 |
| godbyk | Here you go: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5550350/Getting_Started_with_Ubuntu_10.04 | 21:17 |
| zus | also i have yet to read it as i just downloaded it for myself,...will there be a Kubuntu version....... sweet. | 21:18 |
| zus | thank you all once again. | 21:19 |
| godbyk | We're looking into a Kubuntu version. It'll depend primarily on whether there's enough interest in writing one. | 21:20 |
| godbyk | (That is, if enough people are willing to write one.) | 21:20 |
| zus | call me! heheh | 21:21 |
| zus | i'd love to help on that one | 21:21 |
| zus | i realize as much as i read ubuntu and kubuntu are the same with just a different enviroment, that diferent envirment did my head in the first few weeks of using it.. | 21:23 |
| zus | btw thanks for that link... does it cover art-work and music? (sorry for off topic) | 21:25 |
| zus | nvm i found a link to the main page from the link posted... well im off to read the manual let me know about the kubuntu one... | 21:27 |
| godbyk | zus: Enjoy! | 21:30 |
| c7p | godbyk is there anything new from CC corp ? | 21:39 |
| c7p | org* | 21:39 |
| godbyk | c7p: Not that I've heard. | 21:40 |
| c7p | ok | 21:40 |
| c7p | topo finished the license-el.tex file, actually he added a paragraph in greek telling about the content of that section of the book, I'm sending it to you now | 21:42 |
| godbyk | great -- thanks! | 21:43 |
| c7p | np :) | 21:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | night all | 21:49 |
| c7p | night Luke | 21:49 |
| c7p | night all | 21:51 |
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