[00:24] <puff> I have an install of mythbuntu that has been having problems with getting the networking working.
[00:25] <puff> It's an older version of mythbuntu, somebody suggested that drivers might be the issue (though I tried booting it under an ubuntu liveCD, to no avail).   I'm wondering if it's worth downloading a newer ISO for mythbuntu and upgrading.
[00:25] <puff> Is it *feasible* to upgrade with a CD?  Though I guess I could back up the media on the first drive (500GB) to the second (1TB) and do a fresh install onto the first drive.
[00:35] <puff> can I upgrade directly from mythbuntu 8something to 10.4, or do I need to upgrade to 9 and then to 10?
[00:57] <mrand> puff: A CD won't help in upgrading.  As for moving from 8.04 to 10.04, it works fine for some people but it's a challenge for others.  You could try the 10.04 jump, and if it doesn't work, then go through the 9.x path.
[01:01] <puff> mrand: Would I risk the 10.4 jump messing stuff up?
[01:02] <puff> I might be best off just backing up the media files to the 1TB disk and installing from scratch on the 500GB disk.
[04:03] <wangdoodle> first time I installed mythbuntu, I used a doc that I can't fnd any more.
[04:04] <wangdoodle> can't remember if it was mythbuntu specific or if it was mythtv doc
[04:04] <wangdoodle> specifically I'm looking for help with the various devices on my Hauppauge tuner card
[04:05] <wangdoodle> I want to configure fm radio and the composite inputs this time around.  Can anyone tell me what doc I might have been using a few months ago?
[05:36] <MistStlkr> evening all
[05:40] <MistStlkr> I just did a clean install on my Mythbuntu using 10.04LTS and set it up with the TV and a monitor, set up as separate X sessions thinking I could then VNC into the monitor session and tinker without molesting my wife's TV watching.  The question I have is that myth loads on boot as intended, but on the monitor instead of the TV.  Where do I change that behavior?  I tried peeking in the xorg.conf and the init.d/x11-common but 
[05:50] <tgm4883> MistStlkr, I don't know how to accomplish what you are trying to do, but "tinker without molesting my wife's TV watching" is probably not going to work out as well as you think
[05:50] <tgm4883> murphys law and all
[05:59] <MistStlkr> of course it won't... but I have to sa I tried, no? :-P
[05:59] <MistStlkr> say*
[06:06] <MistStlkr> also, trying to figure out how to make nautilus 2.30 default to text location bar like the older version could.  those buttons are just frustrating.
[06:35] <MistStlkr> tgm4883, Murphy's first jab is that the VNC client will only work on the Screen that the mouse is on, so I can't VNC into both the TV and the monitor at the same time without going over to the couch and kicking the mouse each time I want to change the window LOL  surely there must be a way around that if I poke around, but who knows
[07:48] <MistStlkr> I just did a clean install on my Mythbuntu using 10.04LTS and set it up with the TV and a monitor, set up as separate X sessions thinking I could then VNC into the monitor session and tinker without molesting my wife's TV watching.  The question I have is that myth loads on boot as intended, but on the monitor instead of the TV.  Where do I change that behavior?  I tried peeking in the xorg.conf and the init.d/x11-common but 
[13:18] <qwebirc91703> Is there anyone who would like to recommend a good TV capture card to use with Mythbuntu?
[13:20] <Jay2k1> analog, dvb-c, dvb-t, dvb-s, ...?
[13:21] <qwebirc91703> Good question, I'm new to this whole thing, from what I've been reading it seems I'm trying to capture digital signals in the USA. It should be one of the DVB ones, I suspect.
[13:21] <qwebirc91703> I think DVB-C, if that applies to cable...
[13:22] <Jay2k1> hmm, don't know about that, i'm not from the US
[13:22] <Jay2k1> yes, that'd be cable
[13:22] <Jay2k1> you should google a bit what your options are then, i guess
[13:23] <qwebirc91703> Well, the other question I have, which should be country independent, how powerful of a processor would you need if you had a capture card in the machine?
[13:23] <Jay2k1> most cable providers encrypt their signal so that you'd need a CAM with a smartcard, and a card with a CI-slot to put the CAM in
[13:24] <Jay2k1> that also can't be answered generally
[13:25] <Jay2k1> if it's analog, you need a faster processor with a card that only has software MPEG2 encoding... while other cards have hardware encoder chips on them
[13:25] <Jay2k1> with digital, HD playback requires way more CPU power
[13:25] <Jay2k1> only if you don't have a graphics card that supports VDPAU however ;)
[13:25] <qwebirc91703> I see. Lots of things to consider.
[13:26] <Jay2k1> you see, you should first get to know what exactly you want to do and what your options are
[13:26] <Jay2k1> based on that, you can then decide what hardware to buy
[13:27] <Jay2k1> i'd go for some small dual core
[13:27] <Jay2k1> i have an athlon 64 4000+ x2 in my machine, with 2gb ddr2
[13:27] <Jay2k1> so, a dual core with about 2ghz
[13:28] <Jay2k1> that's more than enough for me, i also have a graphics card that supports VDPAU, so it does the computing for HD playback
[13:28] <Jay2k1> before i had it, HD playback was stuttering
[13:28] <qwebirc91703> That's pretty much any card 8xxx and up right?
[13:28] <Jay2k1> yeah
[13:28] <Jay2k1> mine is a gf 8400GS
[13:29] <Jay2k1> about 30EUR
[13:29] <qwebirc91703> Ah ok, well that shouldn't be too much of an issue for me to get.
[13:29] <Jay2k1> however, i wouldn't need it if i wouldn't wanna watch HD channels
[13:30] <Jay2k1> (which is useless for me anyway because i have a 30" CRT TV, you don't really see the difference between SD and HD on a CRT like that
[13:30] <qwebirc91703> Haha
[13:30] <qwebirc91703> Yeah, I'm not really into the HD thing atm either.
[13:30] <Jay2k1> if you have an old spare computer, i'd start with that and see if it works
[13:30] <Jay2k1> that's the way i did it
[13:31] <Jay2k1> low entry cost but probably too energy consuming (mine is about 70W idle and up to 120W under full load)
[13:32] <qwebirc91703> Sounds like a good place to start, but which leaves me the task at selecting a tuner.
[13:32] <qwebirc91703> I'm attempting at visualizing the connection of the cable box to (let's say) a dual tuner card. If there's only one cable coming out of it to the computer, how would one watch and record at the same time? (Watch live TV while recording a different channel)
[13:32] <qwebirc91703> Or is that not possible
[13:34] <Jay2k1> hmm, cable box... depends. if that box acts as the tuner, not possible
[13:34] <Jay2k1> if you'd connect the tuner card directly to the cable signal that comes out of the wall and it is dvb-c, it might be possible
[13:34] <Jay2k1> here in germany, one frequency holds four channels, that's called multiplex afaik
[13:35] <qwebirc91703> Ahh
[13:35] <Jay2k1> so with a single tuner i could record up to 4 different channels at a time (or watch), given they are on the same frequency
[13:35] <qwebirc91703> Perhaps I should call my cable company, see if they'll tell me what it is. Though I bet they encrypt the data coming in over the wire.
[13:36] <qwebirc91703> So I'd probably have to use the box to decrypt it.
[13:36] <Jay2k1> or a smartcard from your provider with a decryption module for the tuner card
[13:36] <Jay2k1> you could as well google for the name of your provider and mythtv
[13:36] <Jay2k1> see how others do it
[13:38] <qwebirc91703> Yeah, I'm attempting that now. Not much results so far. . .probably my search terms
[13:39] <Jay2k1> you could of course as well call your provider
[13:39] <Jay2k1> but my experience is that they only want to sell their products to you, like set-top boxes
[13:40] <Jay2k1> so they tell you a few possible ways which involve renting or buying their stuff
[13:40] <Jay2k1> not sure if their advice is reliable ;)
[13:42] <qwebirc91703> True
[13:43] <mrand> qwebirc91703: most US cable channels are encrypted, so most people require a cable box, and then capture the output of that.
[13:44] <mrand> A number of people though, are turning to just over the air (OTA) broadcasts + Internet sources.  If there were a few more shows available in that way, I'd be doing that.
[13:48] <qwebirc91703> So do you even need a TV tuner in the US then? Or just a card with S-video in or what not?
[13:52] <Jay2k1> well, what outputs does your box have?
[13:52] <Jay2k1> i guess that's what it depends on
[13:52] <mrand> qwebirc91703: Depends on what you want to do with it :^)   The short answer is that the majority of video capture devices come with a tuner of some sort.  If you think you want to try without a cable box (and just pick up whatever channels are unencrypted on the cable, or to pick up OTA), then you most likely need a tuner.
[13:52] <mrand> Whatever you get, you want to make sure it is not a frame grabber.  That takes lots of CPU power.
[13:53] <mrand> Or disk space.
[13:55] <qwebirc91703> Has SPDIF, rca, s video, dvi
[13:56] <qwebirc91703> And the HD RCA calbes (Red green blue). No idea what those are called....assume they're used in hd playback, though I might be wrong
[13:56] <mrand> component outputs
[13:57] <qwebirc91703> So pretty much the best option for US is to just capture whatever the box is outputting?
[13:58] <qwebirc91703> Cause I'd want to do more tha njust OTA.
[13:58] <mrand> In general, the answer is yes.
[13:59] <qwebirc91703> Suppose I should find myself a nice card to do that. Do you have any recommendations?
[14:01] <mrand> If you're wanting to keep it cheap for now (which is what I did when I was starting out), there are a number of $20-$50 s-video / composite input capture devices with hardware encoders.  I use the PVR-USB2.  I know you said you aren't doing HD right now.  But do you expect to in the near future?  If so, it might be worth buying the HD capture device now ($200).
[14:03] <qwebirc91703> Well, currently the TV I have can't receive HD signal from the box because it doesn't have any tuner in it for that. Though if the PVR could output it to the TV, it'd display it fine.
[14:04] <mrand> There is supposedly a box coming in the next year or so that will have cable card support.  this has been dreamed about for Linux for a long, long time.  We'll see if it actually materializes or not.  this would allow bypassing the cable box.
[14:04] <mrand> If you want to capture the HD from the cable box, the only solution is the hauppauge HD-PVR.
[14:04] <qwebirc91703> Ahh
[14:05] <mrand> also known as the 1212
[14:48] <qwebirc91703> With the hauppage HD-PVR would you need a powerful CPU? Or could it be ran by something like an atom?
[15:02] <mrand> qwebirc91703: I believe that many atom's are available with Nvidia based video chipsets that support video decoding offload.
[15:38] <tmkt> hey hey
[15:38] <tmkt> something change with lirc recently? after recent upgrade only about half of keys on my remote work
[18:50] <mcl0vin> hi folks
[20:29] <andrewwaterson> I was wondering if there is any movement on the 0.24 ppa builds?
[21:43] <jussi> gday all
[21:44] <jussi> Im thinking to install mythbuntu on top of ubuntu, however its jaunty. Is there anything specific I need to keep in mind? what is the "correct" way of pulling all the needed packages in and getting everything running?
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[22:00] <qwebirc94754> hey friends. I do an update from my original install of mythbuntu, to the next aviable distro; and now i dont see the option for mythweb or mythbrowser? Any one knows why?
[23:01] <mike_hurley_1> i'm using 0.24 autobuilds and cannot get the backend to start at boot. looking at the log it looks like the scheduler is throwing an error saying it cant find capture cards...is this a new requirement in 0.24?
[23:07] <puff> Hm, I'm shopping for a new graphics card with HDMI-out.  My motherboard manual (asus p4p800s-x) says it has this spiffy special AGP 8X/4X (+1.5V) slot.
[23:07] <puff> I was advised than any nvidia 2xx should do me, but what's the story with this special AGP slot?
[23:19] <rhpot1991> puff: agp is old tech at this point, most of the good nvidia cards are going to be pcie
[23:20] <rhpot1991> I don't even think they make the 2xx series in agp
[23:25] <puff> Cool, so I should just ignore that slot.
[23:27] <puff> Hm,the manual just says PCI, not PCIE.
[23:27] <puff> This is an old box, mind you, 2-3 yeras old.
[23:54] <Ampyxx> I'm having trouble getting my box up and running. I've got a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250 (recognized as 1270) that seems to be configured correctly, and if I plug it straight into the wall I get basic channels, but when I plug it into the Set-Top Box I can't get it to pick up a single channel. Do I need a firewire connection too? I know I'm going to get an IR blaster in order to change the channels, but as far as actually GETTING the c