[05:50] <Bernardo> hi
[06:03] <RAOF> Howdie
[09:37] <RAOF> tseliot: Do you want to merge synaptics, or shall I?
[09:38] <RAOF> Hm.  r700+mesa 7.8.1 really doesn't like compiz blur.  Unless you like smoothly shaded black/red/yellow/green cornered rectangles for windows, of course.
[11:11] <tseliot> RAOF: I'm quite busy hacking on radeon's drm code (for different reasons) right now. I'd appreciate if you could do the merge for me. Of course if a patch doesn't apply I'm available to adapt it
[11:12] <RAOF> tseliot: Cool.  Thanks.
[12:52] <Sarvatt> RAOF: I already merged synaptics locally, did you already do it or do you want me to push?
[12:52] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I've done some preliminaries, but not fully.  Go for a push.
[13:01] <Sarvatt> ok will do in a minute, just updating the changelog
[13:10] <Sarvatt> evdev can just be synced, we dont need that patch anymore
[13:10] <jcristau> did xserver get updated in m?
[13:10] <jcristau> many drivers have a build dep on 1.7.6.901 which wasn't in lucid
[13:11] <Sarvatt> not yet, just preparing for when it is
[13:12] <jcristau> k
[13:12] <RAOF> Sarvatt:  There's an evdev sync bug already.
[13:12] <Sarvatt> and yeah thats caused no end of headaches in xorg-edgers, been having to use experimental and hoping it doesnt get updated :)
[13:18] <Sarvatt> RAOF: why universe for this?  [raof] Fork a pre-2.10 -intel driver and package it in universe.
[13:19] <RAOF> Because I 'ain't supportin in.
[13:19] <RAOF> s/in/it.
[13:19] <Sarvatt> having it installed side by side with intel would be nice, so it automatically falls back to it with no KMS
[13:19] <Sarvatt> ah
[13:19] <Sarvatt> btw SUSE has already done this if you haven't seen
[13:19] <RAOF> I have not, no.
[13:20] <Sarvatt> darn lost my bookmark to it last crash
[13:20] <RAOF> Eh, finding the SuSE packaging can't be _that_ hard :)
[13:21] <Sarvatt> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=xorg-x11-driver-video-intel-legacy&project=openSUSE:Factory
[13:26] <Sarvatt> i've been poking at 2.7.1 for newer servers since that was the last one with EXA, 2.8.0 was easy but doesn't seem to be an improvement for anyone
[13:29] <RAOF> That's probably a better idea; my understanding of the i845 & i855 problems is in the buffer manager, which would disappear without UXA/DRI2
[14:28] <hyperair> Sarvatt: weird. my Xorg.0.log says that page flipping was forcibly disabled, yet i'm seeing the same kinds of hangs that page flipping brought about for you =\
[14:28] <hyperair> image frozen on screen, and everything else stalled.
[14:28]  * Sarvatt makes sure he actually forcibly disabled it..
[14:29] <Sarvatt> wouldn't put it past me to have just updated the  message and not actually disabled it :)
[14:29] <hyperair> heh
[14:30] <Sarvatt> same patch
[14:31] <Sarvatt> just the message updated, should be working still..
[14:35] <Sarvatt> anything change in your setup? did you install the gallium package or anything?
[14:35] <RAOF> Why does everyone else see the crazy bugs?  I've been using xserver 1.8.1 and -intel 2.11, and *I* don't get these hangs :)
[14:36] <Sarvatt> on your primary machine?
[14:36] <Sarvatt> i think thats the big difference :)
[14:38] <Sarvatt> i dont tend to do the things that really break things on other machines
[14:40] <RAOF> On (one of) my primary machine(s)
[14:56] <Sarvatt> ricotz: the gallium dri2 tfp problem fixed in mesa and its build in edgers already btw
[14:56] <ricotz> Sarvatt, nice! so i can upgrade again ;-)
[14:59] <Sarvatt> yep :) thinking about uploading compiz without the parts in the ubuntu patch forcing it to not start with swrast now that that has tfp support too
[15:13] <Sarvatt> hyperair: you crashed twice in an hour earlier? or were you just switching drivers?
[15:28] <Kangarooo> unbelievable. ssh -x user@ip rocks. i opened other comps google chrome with all its tabs in this comp 
[15:38] <Sarvatt> and then you load a page with flash by mistake? :)
[15:39]  * Sarvatt is lusting over this sharp netwalker PC-Z1
[15:49] <Sarvatt> eww, a whole bunch of poulsbo based tablet announcements today.. :(
[15:50] <Sarvatt> which means people are going to want to run ubuntu on them and have it work. great :)
[16:07] <hyperair> Sarvatt: no, i went offline due to the rain, then it crashed.
[16:08] <hyperair> Sarvatt: right now i'm trying to coax my btrfs balancing thing to actually complete, since it crashed twice in 24h, interrupting the balancing preocedure twice.
[16:08] <hyperair> so i'm not starting X until it completes =p
[16:17] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: opening ssh -X  in browser page in flash does something bad?
[16:17] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: im now on pc1 opened vnc pc2 and in there opened ssh -X to pc1 and google-chrome from it :)
[16:27] <Sarvatt> its just really slow
[16:28] <Sarvatt> you may want to -XC
[16:36] <Sarvatt> does gnome-shell really need to depend on xserver-xephyr? does anyone actually use gnome-shell in xephyr? (hint: it doesnt work with glx 1.4..)
[16:39] <jcristau> depend on Xephyr?  what kind of silliness is that?
[16:41] <Sarvatt> a looong time ago that was the recommended way of testing it
[16:42] <Sarvatt> like a year before it was packaged
[16:43] <Sarvatt> ok exaggeration, more like 6 months or so
[16:44] <Sarvatt> ahhh Recommends: xserver-xephyr
[16:45] <Kangarooo> if i have FF crashing Xorg when opened a lot gif tabs in FF then can i also replicate it using ssh -X or -XC ? -XC means faster yes? right now i have opened crashed pcs FF in last week debugged pc :) and its not crashin. if ill open otherwise will then it crash?
[16:57] <Sarvatt> wonder where xserver 1.8.2 (or 1.8.1.901 even) is, has had quite a lot of important fixes in it
[17:21] <Kangarooo> what is SysRq in Alt+SysRq+1 ?
[17:25] <Sarvatt> the sysrq key :)
[17:28] <Sarvatt> ripps: --target=i586-linux in your configure flags for mplayer on maverick?
[17:29] <Sarvatt> maverick's i686 default now
[17:29] <ripps> Sarvatt: --cpu='i686'
[17:29] <ripps> been using it for a while
[17:30] <Sarvatt> thats in ffmpeg options not mplayer?
[17:31] <ripps> Sarvatt: yeah, --target=i586-linux is in my i386 arch rules
[17:33] <Kangarooo> i was making xorg dbg and when in dbg i entered pid nr then all computer froze. mouse and keyb not moving. all screen stopped
[17:34] <Kangarooo> i can thrue ssh do something
[17:36] <Sarvatt> attach gdb over ssh and type continue when it happens
[17:37] <Sarvatt> handle SIGUSR1 nostop (in gdb)
[17:41] <Sarvatt> darn, I wish nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau was on the xorg-commit list, i always miss updates
[17:48] <Kangarooo> ah sick of this comp not working. ill sell it. but before if u want i can make it clean and vnc acces to it and if u want u can make all crash and reporting
[17:50] <Kangarooo> wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing and wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg is the same info
[17:53] <Kangarooo> (gdb) attach 764 Attaching to program: /usr/bin/Xorg, process 764 ptrace: Operation not permitted.
[17:54] <Kangarooo> (gdb) cont The program is not being run. (maybe becouse i cant move mouse and keyb on it and screen is showing but not moving anything)
[18:09] <Bernardo> hi
[18:20] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: when i do whats in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing then my comp crashes. even if i do it thrue ssh. on command (gdb) attach (pidnr) it crashes and nothing moves anymore
[18:21] <Sarvatt> type cont
[18:37] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: so i do again sudo gdb /usr/bin/Xorg 2>&1 | tee gdb-Xorg.txt and then dont do attach but just cont?
[18:37] <Sarvatt> ahh I give up, nouveau needs newer xserver now too. guess I'll just build xserver from origin/ubuntu instead of using the old one and rebuild the world again in the PPA
[18:37] <Sarvatt> Kangarooo: no do whats set in the ssh section further down
[18:37] <Sarvatt> it really says to do that?
[18:38] <Sarvatt> that'd never work unless you were handling signals in .gdbinit..
[18:39] <Kangarooo> ah yes. it was not so easy couse both computers are not in same room. i was with crashing pc vnc to working pc and in there ssh so when in ssh i do that attach that comp crashed. now im at working pc :)
[18:40] <Sarvatt> you could just gdb -p $(pidof X) -batch -ex 'handle all nostop' -ex 'handle all pass' -ex 'handle 11 stop' -ex 'cont' -ex 'bt full' -ex 'cont' from a VT if you just wanted the backtrace from a segfault, not sure what you're doing
[18:40] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: im just following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing and its the same as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg
[18:41] <Sarvatt> i dont know why you're doing it is what I meant, sorry
[18:42] <Sarvatt> i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around what you just said you were doing :)
[18:43] <Kangarooo> ok so now i was able to do next step (gdb) cont but now since comp i want to inwestigate why FF makes it crash Xorg cant be  backtraced since it crashed on attach (pid)
[18:43] <Sarvatt> Kangarooo: are you on radeon or nouveau?
[18:43] <Sarvatt> because if so i can tell you why its crashing
[18:43] <Kangarooo> Xorg crashing computer has nvidia
[18:44] <Kangarooo> geforce fx5500 and i couldnt find gdb for nvidia
[18:44] <Sarvatt> using the binary nvidia drivers?
[18:44] <Sarvatt> installed through hardware drivers?
[18:44] <Sarvatt> or just the default stuff?
[18:44] <Sarvatt> because if its the default stuff it's the same exa bug
[18:45] <Kangarooo> system->hardware drivers
[18:45] <Kangarooo> nvidia somthing airc 173
[18:45] <Sarvatt> which ones does that use? nvidia-96? have you filed a bug on launchpad?
[18:45] <Sarvatt> ah
[18:46] <Kangarooo> airc = as i recall corretly :D
[18:46] <bjsnider> the 5500 should be using the nvidia-173 driver
[18:47] <Kangarooo> i was able to choose somekind 96 and 173 and 173 was working faster
[18:47] <Sarvatt> did you do anything like upgrade to a 2.6.34 kernel by any chance?
[18:47] <Sarvatt> because nvidia-96/nvidia-173 dont work on those, just ruling things out
[18:48] <Kangarooo> i have latest kernel there witch can be updated from default ubuntu universes
[18:48] <Kangarooo> w8 ill thrue ssh check
[18:48] <Sarvatt> alrighty
[18:48] <Sarvatt> its ok you'd know if you installed it
[18:48] <Kangarooo> 2.6.32-22-generic
[18:49] <Sarvatt> have you filed a bug on launchpad about it so I can look through your logs?
[18:50] <Kangarooo> i think i installed that what u named in this comp im at now. couse at what im now has i845 and at bug report i wrote that that solution with kernel .34 didnt work even starting pc. but the realy latest witch 4 days ago was rc7 that worked a little better (loading logo was better resolution) but crash still happened.
[18:50] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: w8 3 min.. ill chek ihave a lot bug :)
[18:51] <Sarvatt> i've never even been to the nvida-graphics-drivers-173 bug list
[18:51]  * Sarvatt hides
[18:53] <Kangarooo> bug 587710 this is bug i made ubuntu-bug and to add more info i was checking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging but since on (gdb) attach (pid) my system crashes i cant backtrace this reported bug.
[18:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 587710 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "if FF wit lot Gif & overloading CPU then X-boom to login (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587710
[18:57] <Sarvatt> thanks, you have a backtrace there in one of the logs too :)
[18:58] <Kangarooo> oh i dont know how to know :)
[18:58] <Sarvatt> the xorglogold has it, i put it in the bug description
[18:59] <Sarvatt> there's another problem, the -dbg packages for xserver-xorg-core that you need in lucid are useless
[19:01] <Sarvatt> what sucks is I remember the nvidia 170 series having that same problem like 2 years ago and they fixed it in the 180 series
[19:02] <Sarvatt> not sure if I should move that over to xorg-server or leave it there, the backtrace is all in X
[19:03] <Kangarooo> ok so a new bug asking about nvidia 180 put to universe is needed? or it has some other bugs?
[19:04] <Sarvatt> no you cant use it on that GPU, they dropped support for the older cards
[19:04] <Kangarooo> so now this card is also one of restriced ?
[19:05] <Sarvatt> does this only happen with compiz enabled?
[19:05] <Kangarooo> when doing compiz check i got error that this card is restricted. but actually i dont want compiz and dont use it. just tryd that check.
[19:05] <Kangarooo> ah but actually i tryd compiz installing on xubuntu 1 week ago and it worked. very fast
[19:06] <Kangarooo> ouh wait. sorry no my card for comp witch that bug is was not compiz check showing as restriceted. compiz check showed ok.
[19:07] <Kangarooo> so compiz check showed ok for all checks.
[19:08] <Kangarooo> for other comp witch has i845 compiz check showd restricted card/driver
[19:08] <Sarvatt> so its enabled then because it defaults to enabled
[19:08] <Sarvatt> can you try disabling visual effects in system - preferences - appearance to see if you can crash it that way too?
[19:08] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: no compiz is removed now.
[19:08] <Sarvatt> oh the nvidia machine?
[19:08] <Sarvatt> err on
[19:08] <Kangarooo> ye :)
[19:09] <Kangarooo> i put compiz on nvidia 5500 machine and it workd and i dont need fx so i removed. and nvidia 173 is activated
[19:10] <Sarvatt> oh you're on xubuntu ok
[19:10] <Kangarooo> ye
[19:10] <Sarvatt> using any kind of compositing?
[19:11] <Sarvatt> xcompmgr or anything, no idea what xubuntu uses
[19:12] <Kangarooo> searching google whats that. so theres Xfce 
[19:13] <Sarvatt> it'd be great if you could get a core dump i could poke around on :)
[19:13] <Kangarooo> default xubuntu installation nothing then programms added. fx not added. w8 ill ask on #xubuntu
[19:14] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: ok thrue ssh ill get it where only?
[19:18] <Sarvatt> wonder why http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=4151a13c80f3afa43f88afcf19a7aeb16dace93a didn't make it to 1.7 branch
[19:19] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: compositing in xubuntu not by default. so i dont have it also. where is that core dump? ill cp and post to that LP bug
[19:21] <Sarvatt> have you enabled apport? anything in /var/crash/?
[19:23] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: yes apport ive enabled on all comps. about that bug when FF with a lot gifs crashes Xorg apport didnt gave crash. thats why i made ubuntu-bug to post that bug and to get more info i wanted to do today that backtracing
[19:23] <Kangarooo> now theres noting new in /var/cras
[19:25] <Kangarooo> theres xfce4-systemload crash and update-apt-xapian crash . when i post crash i delete them so i dont get confused couse i dont post them immidiatly but later all.
[19:26] <Kangarooo> thouse has nothing to do with nvidia and i got them when FF Xorg crash wanst happening
[19:29] <Sarvatt> you have to manually enable apport for it to catch things now, but apport is only catching a small number of X crashes anyway
[19:30] <Sarvatt> change the enabled=0 line to enabled=1 in /etc/default/apport then sudo service apport start and reproduce the crash, hopefully it shows up in /var/crash/
[19:34] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: yes ive done that to all comps
[19:35] <Kangarooo> no it doens show
[19:36] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: interesting news. im now back at crashing comp and now all is moving. GDB still active
[19:37] <Kangarooo> i went to other comp couse this crashed. and im in pidgin in working comp true vnc from crashing comp
[19:38] <Kangarooo> so ill now make it make backtace?
[19:38] <Kangarooo> um reproduce bug while backtracing gdb is working thrue ssh ok? 
[19:39] <Kangarooo> and what about that core dump? where i can get it?
[19:40] <Kangarooo> ah core dump is a crash file?
[19:40] <Kangarooo> so apport is started and made to start on comp start enabled=1
[19:40] <Kangarooo> it was already 3 weeks ago
[19:41] <Sarvatt> Kangarooo: I'm building an xserver package in a PPA for you that might fix it, but even if it doesn't fix it it will have a correct -dbg package that'll actually work unlike the one in the archives
[19:41] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/bugsbugsbugs
[19:42] <Kangarooo> so manually also i have to make? from working comp thrue ssh on crashing comp?
[19:42] <Sarvatt> make what?
[19:42] <Sarvatt> oh that means apport isnt catching it, yeah
[19:42] <Kangarooo> another apport ?
[19:42] <Sarvatt> sorry was packaging it up and not reading it
[19:42] <Sarvatt> no
[19:42] <Kangarooo> yea isnt catching
[19:42] <Sarvatt> nevermind about that, didnt know you already turned it on
[19:43] <Sarvatt> yeah have to start X with -core
[19:43] <Sarvatt> and set the ulimit right first
[19:43] <Kangarooo> apport i made 3 weeks ago to be  starting on comp start
[19:44] <Kangarooo> w8. im now at comp thats crashing. i went to other comp couse this one stopped again working when put command attach (pid) now im back at it and keyb is working and gdb is working
[19:45] <Kangarooo> so i can make that backtrace reproducing bug finally if needed
[19:46] <Kangarooo> ill make backtrace now and then lets try next steps/options
[19:47] <Kangarooo> ill still be in chanell since im in vnc and chanel is open in working pc
[19:47] <Sarvatt> try this PPA when it finishes building, it might fix your problem - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/bugsbugsbugs
[19:48] <Sarvatt> okie, what i was saying is the backtrace in gdb will probably not be very useful because the -dbg packages for xserver-xorg-core in lucid don't work
[19:49] <Sarvatt> the ones in the PPA will though so you'll be able to get a good backtrace if the patch I added doesn't fix it
[19:49] <Sarvatt> be sure to get a bt full and not just a bt, you have the bt output already
[19:58] <Sarvatt> now I see you have another crash in one of the other logs too - *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/X: corrupted double-linked list: 0x09048e90 ***
[19:59] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=4151a13c80f3afa43f88afcf19a7aeb16dace93a is the commit I added to lucid's xserver in that PPA, I think it might fix it
[20:00] <Sarvatt> its done building
[20:04] <Kangarooo> this comp was restarted while all finally was working :)
[20:04] <Kangarooo> ill try again
[20:05] <Sarvatt> Kangarooo: try with the PPA so even if it doesnt fix things the backtrace you get will actually be useful
[20:24] <Kangarooo> ah Sarvatt i found out that when i write in (dgb) cont then the crashing comp unfreezes to continue Xorg backtracing
[20:24] <Sarvatt> yeah
[20:24] <Sarvatt> Kangarooo: run this then it wont do that anymore -
[20:24] <Sarvatt> handle all nostop
[20:25] <Sarvatt> handle all pass
[20:25] <Sarvatt> handle 11 stop
[20:25] <Sarvatt> then continue
[20:25] <Sarvatt> and you wont have to run between rooms anymore until that crashes :)
[20:27] <Kangarooo> even now? i did cont and now im wainting for crash to happen. or for future do thouse commands?
[20:37] <Sarvatt> you wont have to cont anymore, it'll keep going until it crashes
[20:37] <Sarvatt> if it freezes that means it crashed
[20:37] <Sarvatt> then you can get your bt full
[20:44] <Kangarooo> no now crash i want to reproduce is making all closed and login open. so no freeze will now happen
[20:47] <Kangarooo> wow 100 tabs open 600mb ram used swap 0 still not crashing
[20:50] <bjsnider> if this was windows, i could cause a crash in less than 5 clicks
[20:53] <Sarvatt> is that with the PPA xserver Kangarooo?
[20:54] <Kangarooo> no still the same way i was tryng to do today. ill do all backtraces. first this one ill complete
[20:54] <Sarvatt> ah, ok
[20:55] <Sarvatt> did you do anything different? you said you enabled compiz now?
[20:56] <Kangarooo> now already 850mb ram used swap now only first 2 mb. no nothing different. no compiz not installed. this crash was able to reproduce without compiz. i installed compiz 4 days ago only for 10 min and purged it.
[20:56] <Kangarooo> ill close all tabs and start again opening all gifs
[20:59] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: All again froze and in terminal from ssh Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x08087041 in dixChangeGC () . should i cont again? and all other commands u wrote so no stopping happens yes?
[20:59] <Sarvatt> nope cant continue,thats your crash
[20:59] <Sarvatt> bt full now
[21:00] <Kangarooo> no this crash is not the one i wanted to bacrtrace. crash i wanted to reproduce make login screen popup
[21:00] <Sarvatt> Kangarooo: thats the same crash, it stopped there because you are in GDB
[21:00] <Sarvatt> set logging file ~/xcrash.txt
[21:00] <Kangarooo> ok so when ill go out of gdb then crashing comp will be in login promt?
[21:01] <Sarvatt> set logging on
[21:01] <Sarvatt> bt full
[21:01] <Kangarooo> loggin is with | tee filename
[21:02] <Kangarooo> ok i did bt full. now do i have to quit gdb somehow?
[21:03] <Sarvatt> yep, just quit
[21:04] <Kangarooo> and then that comp will respond?
[21:04] <Kangarooo> quit with quit ?
[21:05] <Kangarooo> (gdb) quit A debugging session is active. 	Inferior 1 [process 2562] will be detached.
[21:06] <Kangarooo> Sarvatt: ?
[21:10] <Sarvatt> yep
[21:10] <Sarvatt> you're done, you have your backtrace..
[21:16] <Kangarooo> yeah login poped up. where can u see that? so ill upload backtrace to the same bug?
[21:29] <Kangarooo1> Sarvatt: so i make sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sarvatt/bugsbugsbugs/ubuntu ? and then install that package ?
[21:30] <Sarvatt> yep!
[21:31]  * hyperair is quite sure it doesn't need an extra /ubuntu at the back
[21:35] <Sarvatt> i dont use that so i assumed he just pasted it from the ppa page and said yeah lol
[21:40] <Kangarooo> ok after realod i got 3 package updates. xserver-xorg-core-dgb xserver-common xserver-xorg-core . all install Sarvatt ? and then restart pc? and this crash will not happen? or then make test reproducing?
[21:40] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it'll grab everything
[21:41] <Sarvatt> dont know what you have installed to tell you what needs to be upgraded