[00:08] looks like kdebase-runtime got some new files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/searchhandlers/ ... should they go into kdebase-runtime-data? [00:11] (.desktop and .html files) [00:12] sounds like -data then [00:20] -data it will be then [00:36] JontheEchidna: if you are ok with it, i'll do the kmozillahelper changes tomorrow [00:52] Riddell: Aye, sure. Have anything prepared or shall I make it up as I go? [00:58] apachelogger: Rails reinforces the odds of insanity. [00:59] ryanakca: Thanks. [01:14] neversfelde: retried the kdebase-workspace to have them build now that kdepimlibs is there [01:18] well time to take a break for the night... [01:41] Nightrose: Is your blog not on planet Ubuntu? We should fix that. [01:50] ScottK or JontheEchidna: can you upload kdebase-runtime from bzr please? [02:33] ScottK, around? [02:33] rbelem: Sort of. [02:33] :-) [02:34] I'm doing several things right now, but if you don't mind me beeing laggy, we can chat. [02:34] no problem [02:39] ScottK, i'm still fighting with ksambashare and i want to keep it sane. i'm making lots of changes and i want to know if am i making it complicated or is it ok to follow this path. [02:40] * ScottK probably isn't the best person to ask about htat. [02:40] ok [02:41] it would be nice to discuss about this with agateau, but he is offline [02:49] i think i found a solution [02:50] Riddell: In any case, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.3.1 . If you want to edit it, https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/151/edit . [04:17] Riddell: Why is libsmokebase4-3 not libsmokebase3? It's soname is 3. [07:57] ScottK: it is but i'm always hesitant to post there tbh in fear of getting beaten for too much k and non-ubuntu stuff [07:57] (i syndicate a specia category) [08:12] oh sigh... [08:13] because I have rekonq dailes, I cant report ubuntu bugs against rekonq... :( [08:13] * jussi goes to find how to file manually [08:16] jussi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+filebug [08:17] a|wen: ahh, thanks. [08:17] np :) [08:23] awesome. 2 bugs filed :) [08:25] better if you said fixed :P [08:34] KRF: your current akonadi failure seems to be of a different nature :/ [09:00] apachelogger :'( [09:01] that is the beauty of akonadi [09:01] KRF: I think your mysql is not terminating properly [09:01] and that causes trouble on next startup [09:01] a|wen: I do what I can... [09:01] at least that is the only way I can explain the other two failed tests youve got [09:02] * apachelogger is mirroring the archives again ^^ [09:06] So how does one forward bugs upstream? [09:06] you report them at bko and close the launchpad bug [09:07] well, latter only if the surverity is not super high or trackworthy [09:07] even for rekonq? [09:07] jussi: if rekonq is tracked on bko, yes [09:07] otherwise use whatever bugtracker rekonq uses ^^ [09:07] bug 588158 and bug 588160 [09:07] Launchpad bug 588158 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq googles when localhost:631 is entered. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588158 [09:07] Launchpad bug 588160 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq hangs on finding printers in cups web interface " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588160 [09:08] wasnt there someway to link it in LP ? [09:09] there was, but it is overly pointless since the lp bug will be closed anyway [09:10] cant find the wiki page in the pile of duplicated information :/ [09:11] jussi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Forwarding upstream [09:11] ooh, excellent, thank you [09:11] ah [09:11] there it is [09:11] jussi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches [09:12] obviously one would be searching for bug watch and not how to link a bug upstream -.- [09:12] *sigh* [09:13] heh [09:14] I just want to make sure the right eyes get on the bug... [09:14] in that case I better do not look at it ;) [09:14] :D [09:15] jussi: bug 588158 might not be related to localhost btw [09:15] Launchpad bug 588158 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq googles when localhost:631 is entered. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588158 [09:15] apachelogger: did that memenu ever eventuate? [09:15] no [09:15] memenu is crap [09:15] lol [09:15] long live soundmenu [09:15] ! [09:15] soundmenu? [09:15] see mailing list [09:16] ouch [09:16] I think I have a bit of a tense neck [09:16] heh [09:16] apachelogger: yeah, I had sore neck yesterday [09:16] anyhow, about that localhost bug ... I think that the problem is more of the sort that mr rekonq just doesnt second guess the user when a port number was provided [09:17] hrm? [09:18] if you try hello.com:100 it will also go to google [09:18] if you specify the protocol as http it will indeed try to access that URL [09:18] so I suppose the fix ought to be as "easy" as adding protocol expansion to http [09:18] jussi: the bug is not related to localhost but to the port number in combination with missing protocol [09:18] ahh [09:18] right [09:19] rekonq fails to parse that as host:protocol and makes it a search term [09:19] while when there is a http:// involved it will just assume everything past the http:// is a URL and try to access it [09:19] See I figure if we are going to have rekonq in by default, Ill use it as much as possible and tell people where it falls down for me :) [09:19] are we going to have it by default? :P [09:19] yeah, that makes sense [09:20] apachelogger: I thought so? [09:20] that should proof interesting [09:21] apachelogger: I _think_ the decision was that as long as they released on time, we would switch. but I may be wrong... [09:22] hm [09:22] "Include a decent web browser in Kubuntu Maverick" [09:22] wow [09:22] defining a proser that is not capable of protocol expansion if a port is involved is.... sad [09:22] well it _is_ "Maverick" [09:22] :P [09:23] apachelogger: I guess thats why Im reporting bugs? [09:24] there is a large difference between kubuntu members reporting bugs and having users exposed to the software [09:24] as seen within the past [09:25] apachelogger: yes, true. but it is Maverick... not $LTS [09:26] so we are now actually carrying LTS through and not just fix some random bugs that might happen to affect someone important enough for us to care? [10:18] $ grep fluffy cdimage/scratch/fluffy/daily/debian-cd/i386/lucid-alternate-i386.list /pool/main/f/fluffy-unicorn/fluffy-unicorn_0.0.0~alpha1~1.gbpe0601f_i386.deb [10:18] fregl: apparenlty I just built the first fluffy iso [11:07] as we don't have a libsmokekde-dev package for all the .so files for libraries in libsmokekde4-3 i suppose that we should just not ship them? [11:07] (lucid kde 4.4.4) [11:07] Riddell: ^^? [11:10] apachelogger: apart from the theme, what is different about fluffy from kubuntu? [11:13] a|wen: right [11:13] Riddell: what about the qyoto/mono bindings? ... those seems to have no sane place either [11:19] Riddell: I managed to install it now, but had to force-overwrite about 14 packages [11:20] Riddell: but what happened to the systray icons? Thsoe are not Oxygen ions and look dreadful [11:21] they totally lack color [11:22] a|wen: has anything changed sine 4.4.3? [11:22] Mamarok: did you keep a copy of what needed to be force-overwrite? [11:23] well, I have the history, will copy that and filter, takes just a moment [11:23] Mamarok: icon colour is a decision of someone upstream and follows what other platforms have done, I guess it's a matter of taste [11:24] it looks horrible, not oxygen like at all, has nuno seen that? I bet he would not like it [11:25] Riddell: hard to know without rebuilding if any not-installed files was there as well ... hoped to skip building 4.4.3 (but well, might as well start the build now then) [11:25] btw, kdetoys is broken [11:26] a|wen: hang on, what are the not installed files? [11:26] Riddell: a bunch of files in /usr/lib/mono/qyoto/ [11:36] apachelogger: \o/ whoohoo [11:36] I will spend today on parley handbook writing though, if I can make myself do that... we got kde doc freeze tomorrowish [11:37] handbook writing still beats design document writing :P [11:38] a|wen: one way to check would be comparing if any CMakeLists.txt files have changed between 4.4.3 and 4.4.4 [11:39] jussi: software selection [11:39] apachelogger: ok. :) [11:39] also fluffy is currenlty getting documented CD building procedure :P [11:39] :D [11:39] also I got hci exam in 20 minutes Oo [11:40] * apachelogger should change his pyjamas for something more fitting [11:40] lol [11:46] Riddell: true ... but then there might be less work in just letting it finish the compile; if someone could remember, that was the easy solution [11:52] Riddell: seen http://randomguy3.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/d-bus-threading-issues/ ? [11:56] a|wen: [11:56] a|wen: no, seems important though [11:57] Riddell: indeed ... and if we are going to get a core library patched like that for maverick, we better gonna do it early [11:59] after alpha 1 freeze [11:59] Mamarok: did you find the overwrite error logs? [12:01] didn't have time, was ranting about those horrible SysTray icons in plasma, but as usual, they ignore people [12:02] so far I have only heard complaints from users, if I would want monochrome icons, I would have chosen that, they pretend it is less disturbing the work, I find it extremely disturbing and ugly [12:02] not consistent with the rest of the desktop and panel icons [12:17] Riddell: apparently I should be able to go back to the old icons, erasing /share/apps/desktoptheme/*/icons in the KDE4 install folder, where is that? [12:17] and how can I do that? [12:18] Mamarok: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icons/ [12:18] ah, thanks [12:23] Riddell: thanks a bunch, erasing that icon fonder reverts to the normal icons, that made my day :) [12:24] but some plasma people can't live with the truth apparently... I'm on sebas' ignore list now :) (wich doesn't bother me the least) [12:51] May I ask, the Akonadi is it possible for it to MAYBE make it until Maverick stable release? [12:52] oxymoron: I don't understand the question [12:54] Riddell: Well somewhere I read Akonadi will delay their release of stable Akonadi for, oh it maybe was KDE 4.5. But well, do you think Akonadi will be done before Kubuntu 10.10? [12:55] KDE Pim is delaying its release, it should be released in time for maverick, which one we pick we will have to decide based on what seems most stable [12:56] So hopefully I got a working KMail in newxt version of Kubuntu? [12:58] I hope so too [12:59] Seems like 10.10 will be that THIS IS IT moment with QT 4.7, KDE 4.5.x, reconq, new installer, Better KPackageKit and so on. [13:00] new installer? [13:00] Kubuntu Maverick KPackageKit App Center [13:01] oh aye [13:01] Oh nvm with new installer, I confused myself that they should merge kubuntu default and netbook into one single image :P [13:02] As far as I can tell reconq seems extremely fast, get 100/100 on Acid 3, uses WebKit, A LOT OF dev tools for web developers like me, better tab browsing, clean, really neat bookmark system and so on. [13:08] oxymoron: it's rekonq [13:08] Tm_T: Yeah sorry, I noticed that when doing sudo apt-get install reconq xD :P [13:09] I am not sure I like Rekonq logo though, looks a little bit scary :D [13:09] Maybe that might frighten all other browsers :D [13:10] Probably faster then Chromium/Chrome [13:11] What I like the most is that its developed by a web developer, FINALLY! [13:14] What I dont like, the adress bar is to darn thin :D [13:15] Riddell: looks like we make this evening with 4.4.4 [13:17] txwikinger: Sweet, will it be packaged to "stable" Kubuntu later on (I have no rush, just wonder because I like to be out early with new stuff, for a reason I cant imagine) [13:25] txwikinger: it's looking good [13:29] http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/31/google-to-employees-mac-or-linux-but-no-more-windows/ :) [13:36] my windows don't have menus today :( [13:37] uh oh [13:37] agateau: ^^ [13:48] upgraded to 4.5, mostly smooth process. had to install libakonadi-contact4 and libkontactinterface4 to get kontact yo run. though [13:49] and I agree with Mamarok that those tray icons simply clash with everything else [13:49] aside from their relative ugliness [13:58] claydoh: don't think you can tell that to anybody in KDE, you will be acused of being a moron, "you will get used to", that you are agressing others and violating the CoC, just happend to me [13:58] * Mamarok seriously ponders to leave that whole mess where opinions can't be voiced anymore [13:58] Mamarok: it didn't go like that, IMO [13:58] ??? seriously??? [13:58] becuase it is not the same as sebas' [13:58] seriuosly [13:58] oh come on... [13:59] Tm_T: oh, you haven't seen what else I was told [13:59] Mamarok: what I saw in channels, you were very aggressive towards others [13:59] Tm_T: I was not, cerftainly not inted to be, I juat gave my honest opinion [13:59] just [14:00] Tm_T: anyway, off for treatment [14:00] Mamarok: it looked very aggressive to me [14:00] also you were told several times where that very same discussion has been going [14:00] also how to solve for you [14:00] well, I sais it was ugly, inconsistend and that I don't want any monochrome icons on my desktop and how I can change that back, and sebas immediately agrssed me [14:00] so really, please don't continue this unnecessary "fight" [14:01] no, I will leave KDE, that is just the drop too much === NCommand1r is now known as mcasadevall [14:01] Mamarok: please don't [14:02] of course I will, since my contribution is totally disegarded, and telling the truth is not allowed, I can't continue in a project like that, where people can't accept that not everybody shares their opinion [14:02] txwikinger: kdebindings done [14:02] a|wen: yeah \o/ [14:02] Mamarok: noone said you cannot share your opinion [14:03] Mamarok: it was all about _how_ you do it [14:04] Mamarok: please, step back for a moment and let's continue then later [14:07] a|wen: I think someone needs to take over kdebase [14:10] txwikinger: you might be right ... bulldog98 isn't around? [14:11] a|wen: I tried to ping him a couple of times, he has not responded [14:11] I would think this packages might be too difficult for his experience level [14:12] We need to mentor him a little [14:12] txwikinger: sure ... i'll set kdebase to build in the background; hopefully it's a nice and easy one [14:13] a|wen: sounds good [14:13] I need kdebase for my last package in work [14:14] yeah .. looks like we are almost finished [14:20] Riddell: JontheEchidna: sorry was away [14:21] I guess it's time to upgrade my desktop to Maverick if I want to track that bug [14:21] * agateau is not sure upgrading now is a good idea [14:22] * Riddell is not sure either [14:22] but I am installing the first cd images from maverick, virtual machine only for now [14:23] Riddell: just curious: what vm system do you use [14:23] ? [14:23] virtualbox-ose [14:23] maverick's been working fairly well for me [14:24] but then, I'm crazy :D [14:24] JontheEchidna: can you try something for me? [14:26] a|wen: I’m here [14:26] agateau: sure [14:26] bulldog98: do you have kdebase finished? [14:26] JontheEchidna: install d-feet, connect to the session bus, and check if there is something named org.ayatana.WindowMenu.Registrar in the list on the left [14:27] a|wen: not by now started [14:28] bulldog98: okay ... so you wouldn't mind me grabbing that one? [14:28] a|wen: no i won’t :P [14:28] a|wen: I think I need an mentor the next time and maybe more free time [14:29] agateau: looks like it's registered: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoplb1444-jpg.jpg [14:29] JontheEchidna: that would be the reason why your menus are missing [14:30] JontheEchidna: do you have the menubar applet installed? [14:30] bulldog98: just ask in here, when you run into trouble :) ... and if you think it might take a while, be sure to grab a leaf-package from here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph [14:30] agateau: installed, yes. Not running, though [14:30] a|wen: saw that before [14:31] JontheEchidna: there was a bug with the applet: when it is removed it forgets to unregister the WindowMenu.Registrar thing [14:31] agateau: I did have it earlier today [14:31] JontheEchidna: this cause Qt to think it can still export the menu [14:31] JontheEchidna: restart plasma then, it should fix it [14:31] ok [14:31] (kquitapp plasma-desktop ; plasma-desktop) [14:32] I need to release a new version of the applet with this fix [14:32] agateau: much better [14:32] JontheEchidna: note that you will need to restart your applications as well :/ [14:32] yup === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [14:32] thanks [14:33] you're welcome [14:34] phew [14:36] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601133623-hy3saui1iir75sez * src/api/Subscription.cpp Fix crash due to missing dptr [14:50] txwikinger: kdebase is in ppa should be ready in less than an hour [14:50] a|wen: cool.. I will upload kdeutils when kdebase is ready [14:55] txwikinger: cool ... when is official/upstream release? [14:56] a|wen: sebas and dirk seem to be talking about the next few hours [14:56] anyone tested it yet? [14:56] Riddell: no [14:57] Riddell: not yet ... [14:59] oh kde-l10n, why do you take so long? [14:59] Riddell: how long has it been going on with it? [15:00] since whenever I put my name in the wiki [15:00] * a|wen recalls that has been a while [15:00] I had a few false starts due to missing tools [15:00] mostly it's getting the .desktop files out of svn which takes the time [15:03] that could take while [15:05] fortunately with maverick CD testing and archive admin I have plenty of other things to fill my time :) [15:05] heh, then we wont worry ;) [15:12] Riddell: maverick CD testing? [15:12] are there already maverick CDs? [15:24] txwikinger: alpha 1 this week [15:25] We already have alpha1? Man time is a lot faster than it used to be [15:27] looks like we get an extra bugfix release this time around: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4235 [15:37] * Riddell uploads 4.4.4 l10n to updates PPA [15:44] Riddell: we're not going through staging? [15:45] not much point for l10n i think, little danger to users and launchpad can be fragile when copying around GB of packages [15:46] okay ... valid reasons [15:46] * Riddell out for 30 mins [15:46] kdebase-plasma <- this shouldn't be removed right when doing the latest upgrades? [15:47] <3 KProgressDialog [15:50] why is api.kde down again... [15:50] sigh [15:52] why does my lucid update want to remove kdebase-plasma and kdepimlibs-data, as well as a few other ones? [15:52] txwikinger: kdebase done [15:52] nixternal: do you have any PPA's enabled? [15:52] yup [15:53] it seems there is the 4.4.80 upgrade available [15:53] no 4.4.80 for kdebase-plasma, so I am guessing it is either getting removed on purpose or there is a booboo somewhere [15:54] nixternal: ninjas ppa enabled maybe? [15:54] nixternal: heya! I haven't seen in you in some time :) [15:54] a|wen: experimental [15:55] kubuntu-ppa-experimental-lucid.list and kubuntu-ppa-ppa-lucid.list [15:56] nixternal: if you haven't upgraded to 4.4.80, you can help test out 4.4.4 first? [15:56] a|wen: in the process of sending up kdeutils [15:57] hrmm, kdebase-plasma isn't in the packages in maverick either, so I am guessing it is no longer needed [15:57] nixternal: looks like it has been removed, yeah [15:59] libkdcraw8-dev, libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libmarble4 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4 [15:59] not seeing any replacements for those :/ hrmm [16:00] damn I am blind [16:00] * txwikinger hands nixternal some shades [16:01] woo, time to go find work! peace out kubuscouts! [16:02] nixternal: good luck [16:22] a|wen: Riddell: kdeutils is in the ppa and building.. except of l10n this should be the last packages [16:23] txwikinger: cool ... i'll upgrade as soon as it finishes [16:31] nixternal: kdebase-plasma is gone [16:31] nixternal: are you upgrading to experimental PPA? [16:35] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601153548-i0o7j6h4p2e6t2tv * (4 files in 2 dirs) Icons++ [16:38] hmm, maverick CD installs but at boot KDM or something crashes [16:40] Riddell: seen bug 588090? [16:40] Launchpad bug 588090 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "kdm user does not own /var/lib/kdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588090 [16:42] hmm [16:42] I wonder what would be a better home [16:43] Riddell: do you use the alternate iso to install Maverick? the daily-live/ dir still contains lucid [16:43] yes, only alternate so far [16:43] ok [16:44] and as I say that doesn't work too well [16:44] live never happen before alpha 2 do they? [16:44] * agateau schedules a download for tonight [16:44] they happen if they can be made to work but it's not a priority [16:47] * Riddell installs 4.4.4 === vorian is now known as hilight === hilight is now known as vorian === vorian is now known as v [17:12] * a|wen has installed 4.4.4 ... session restart [17:12] * Riddell holds breath [17:16] Riddell: don't worry.. any problems would be kde's [17:18] upgrade went fine, and no errors so far [17:18] * Riddell breaths out [17:18] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601161825-cwew5ckeubp0wkkj * src/api/ (Api.cpp Api.h) Last part of d-pointerisation [17:18] \o/ [17:29] 4.4.4 good here too [17:30] a|wen, txwikinger: ok for me to copy to updates PPA? [17:38] fregl: did you break the opaque theme or something? [17:38] the panel renders all black here :/ [17:46] apachelogger: not that I know of, it works here [17:47] maybe my graphics driver exploded :/ [17:47] apachelogger: but it's plasma, so you never know [17:47] true true [17:47] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601164723-v9nn3rwhl1npspnr * src/api/ (Api.cpp Api.h) <3 Q-Pointers too ^^ [17:47] apachelogger: have you tried switching it on and off again? ask Nightrose if you need further help with that [17:47] lol [17:47] * Nightrose kicks fregl [17:47] :D [17:47] indeed I did :P [17:48] I even checked that it is plugged in [17:52] it still needs general fixing, but here opaque shines it its pinkish-white glory [17:53] tell you what, my transparent version is much better than your opaque one :P [17:53] clearly I am the better artist [18:09] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601170837-w9i2vppjx5bj6t92 * debian/control builddep on kdebase-workspace [18:12] JontheEchidna: ping [18:12] debfx: pong [18:13] JontheEchidna: http://debfx.fobos.de/ubu/kmozillahelper_0.6.2-0ubuntu2.debdiff [18:13] kk [18:14] should contain all the changes we discussed yesterday [18:14] lex79: did the MIR get some love? [18:14] debfx: did chriscoulson talk to you about kmozillahelper? he told me at UDS he knew of a couple of issues [18:15] Riddell: i'd say go for it [18:15] Riddell: nope [18:15] debfx: might be worth pinging him and finding out what the issues were [18:16] Riddell and debfx: IIRC he or micahg tlaked to JontheEchidna. [18:17] micahg talked to us about the naming issue [18:17] dunno if that was *the* issue or not [18:21] shadeslayer: dunno [18:22] Riddell: did you see the MIR wrote by shadeslayer? [18:22] for kdeedu I think [18:22] yep [18:23] !info libqt4-dev karmic [18:23] libqt4-dev (source: qt4-x11): Qt 4 development files. In component main, is optional. Version 4.5.3really4.5.2-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 2401 kB, installed size 23064 kB [18:23] lex79: do we have Qt 4.6 for karmic somewhere? [18:24] for karmic [18:24] for karmic ? [18:24] I don't think so [18:24] oh yes [18:24] in kubuntu beta backport ppa [18:28] apachelogger: Did you need me for something? [18:29] no, I just wanted to say that ^^ [18:30] apachelogger: how can i force qt4 when doing qmake -project ( it keep seeming to pick up qt3 ) ? [18:30] qmake-qt4 [18:30] qmake-qt3 [18:31] that one [18:31] doh [18:31] k [18:31] either [18:31] ^^ [18:31] lex79: which mir? [18:32] shadeslayer: ^^^ paste the link please [18:32] Riddell: bug 587677 [18:32] Launchpad bug 587677 in glew (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Inclusion of glew in main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587677 [18:33] JontheEchidna: did you drop libglew build-dep from kdeedu? [18:34] Riddell: Looks like we need kdeedu out of New. [18:34] lex79: It was promoted. [18:34] oh [18:35] lex79: ScottK any idea if the kubuntu installer supports GPT? [18:35] for partitioning my HD... [18:35] None. [18:35] shtylman is your man for installer stuff. [18:35] ohk.. [18:35] shtylman: any idea if the kubuntu installer supports GPT? [18:35] shadeslayer: we don't need anymore the MIR, change the status to invalid please [18:35] lex79: ok.. [18:35] thanks :) [18:36] thats 2 invalid MIR's to my name :P [18:36] lex79: what do i write as to why where shutting it down? [18:36] how did it get promoted without a MIR? [18:36] shadeslayer: GPT? [18:37] ScottK: ^^^ [18:37] shtylman: GUID partition table [18:37] what do you mean by supports? [18:37] Riddell: IIRC pitti promoted it based on "it used to be in Main before". There was some discussion on #uubntu-release, so consult your backscroll. [18:37] shtylman: its a alternative to the MBR partitioning method [18:37] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133414 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (8 files in 3 dirs) Initial import of batch installer. Basically works, but could have a few more nice features and definitely needs a bit of polish. Drop in replacement for install-package, though. [18:37] I see [18:38] shtylman: i mean that recently there was a guy in #kubuntu having issues with his GPT formatted HD [18:38] shadeslayer: iirc it does not from a gui perspective... maybe debian installer (the backend) does [18:38] if you want more details about that, ask cjwatson in #ubuntu-installer [18:38] he couldnt install kubuntu on his GPT enabled/partitioned HD [18:38] he knows the backend stuff [18:39] shtylman: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GPT [18:39] shadeslayer: I think this may be something they are working on [18:39] I know there is uefi work being done [18:39] hmm.. lets ask shall we :) [18:39] ryanakca: able to do us an announce for 4.4.4? [18:40] Riddell: what happened to the kde 4.5 announcement? [18:40] shadeslayer: 4.5 has issues [18:40] Riddell: i know.. HUGE issues :P [18:41] * shadeslayer will probably use 4.5 on arch... [18:42] since they have no kde* packages by default.. i should be good to go [18:43] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133417 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/ (qapt-batch/ src/) Folder rename [18:45] ScottK: Congrats btw ;) [18:45] shadeslayer: Thanks. [18:46] ScottK: i dont know what it means though :P [18:46] It is ~ the same as being core-dev is in Ubuntu for Debian. [18:47] ScottK: oh awesome! [18:48] Riddell: sorry was in a meeting [18:57] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133428 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/ (CMakeLists.txt qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp) - Show speed in dialog label - Correct "success" message to incorporate whether or not the user is installing or removing packages [19:01] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133430 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp build++ [19:02] JontheEchidna: why do you not use Q_DECLARE_PRIVATE instead of BackendPrivate *d;? [19:03] apachelogger: unaware of Q_DECLARE_PRIVATE's existence, I suppose [19:04] hmmm [19:04] JontheEchidna: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/files/head:/src/api/ [19:05] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133431 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/Messages.sh ++Messages.sh [19:05] * txwikinger is running KDE4.4.4 [19:05] Api uses a dptr with everything in place to grow beyond, and subscription uses a shared dptr (in case you are interested) [19:06] txwikinger: lucky you :D [19:08] shadeslayer: According to Chinese custom indeed [19:08] * txwikinger wonders if he should tell Riddell not to test KDE 4.4.4 since it is a lucky number [19:10] txwikinger: lucky for whom? [19:10] Riddell: lucky for the Chinese :) [19:10] quite the opposite I'm sure [19:13] hehe.. [19:13] shtylman: GPT is supported,though you can format to GPT from the installer,and BTRFS is not supported with lucid :'( [19:14] shadeslayer: gotcha... yea... btrfs I know isn't supported to boot into [19:14] you can have partitions with btrfs, but not root or boot [19:16] shtylman: that just sucks... btrfs is supposed to be so much better :P [19:16] shadeslayer: well... it is/was still experimental in lucid [19:16] doesn't matter how much better it is *supposed* to be if it isn't released yet [19:17] hmm :_ [19:17] :) [19:17] you can't possibly expect an LTS to run on an unstable FS ... or any OS to run on an unstable FS [19:17] but there is hope that it will be good for maverick and that all the support infrastructure will be updated [19:19] shtylman: just a side note,#archlinux says that if i put ext2 on my /boot it should work fine [19:19] ill be trying all that out after the 11th :D [19:20] hi [19:21] just if you did not notice already [19:21] oxygen 4.4.4 just overwrote my 4.4.80 package ;) [19:21] Riddell: playing around with quite a number of kde apps, things seem to be ok [19:21] or no ... it didn't [19:21] sorry for the spam :( [19:21] * txwikinger does not have time for real extensive testing atm [19:22] * shadeslayer zsyncs maverick iso [19:24] JontheEchidna: why does the backend have public members? [19:25] apachelogger: I haven't figured out the pointer-fu to make them part of the private class [19:27] JontheEchidna: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/api/Account.cpp#L180 [19:28] I mean, yeah, one could make those members part of the private class, but I haven't ever been able to make the crazy apt api happy with how I've don eit [19:28] ^^ [19:29] Riddell: why dont we have live CD's for alpha 1? [19:29] apachelogger: btw, know how to exit an app if you're app is a kprogressdialog? [19:29] and is there a way to make a live ubuntu cd myself? [19:29] *your [19:30] JontheEchidna: this->deleteLater() I suppose [19:30] shadeslayer: it's not priority task, so if it doesn't work rightaway, it wont exist [19:30] Tm_T: can i build one my self? [19:30] I guess [19:30] JontheEchidna: or maybe just emit closeClicked() [19:31] Tm_T: any instructions i can read up on later? [19:31] shadeslayer: no idea, sorry [19:31] * shadeslayer googles [19:31] shadeslayer: I don't know [19:32] oh [19:32] http://www.linuxmint.com/wiki/index.php/Remastersys [19:32] JontheEchidna: considering it is derived from kdialog and that is derived from qdialog you should have a close() method [19:32] aha [19:33] haha.. the script at the end of the page is missing :P [19:34] \o/ [19:34] remastering is incredibly scary [19:34] * apachelogger only does the real stuff ^^ [19:34] need to blog about it too [19:35] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133447 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Emit an error if qaptworker dies. This should really be a generic KMessageBox function that I could call e.g. from a potential errorOccurred function, tho. [19:35] bah... no mention of remastering a alternate cd [19:36] guess ill have to wait till alpha 2 [19:36] shadeslayer: I suppose remastering mint is just like remastering ubuntu anyway [19:37] apachelogger: :P [19:37] apachelogger: dunno.. leave it,i just want a way to boot the ISO off my USB [19:37] if theres a way to do that then no need to remaster [19:37] im talking about the alternate CD tho [19:40] lol.. opening www.apple.com spikes my CPU :P [19:40] shoots upto 2 Ghz >< [19:40] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601184022-31i7mhlf7jmuzfdg * CMakeLists.txt Add /usr/share/apps/cmake/modules as module path so that qjson can be found [19:46] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133449 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Technically the download hasn't begun until just after here. [19:46] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133450 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Debug cleanup, some comments, and disconnect stuff before we exit [19:49] KDE 4.4.4 released :) [19:49] http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.4.php [19:52] needs ryanakca or make the kubuntu announcement [19:53] Riddell: /me ? :P [19:53] JontheEchidna: /home/me/src/svn/kde/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp:37:29: error: libqapt/globals.h: No such file or directory [19:53] /home/me/src/svn/kde/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp:38:29: error: libqapt/package.h: No such file or directory [19:53] s/or/to/ [19:53] apachelogger: just committed a fix [19:53] ah [19:53] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133455 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Modify for in-tree building [19:53] like, just as you highlighted me :D [19:53] JontheEchidna: /home/me/src/svn/kde/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp:171: warning: unused parameter ‘success’ [19:53] /home/me/src/svn/kde/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp:200: warning: unused parameter ‘ETA’ [19:53] /home/me/src/svn/kde/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp:209: warning: unused parameter ‘percentage’ [19:53] Q_UNUSED(var) :P [19:54] apachelogger: if I do that, I'll forget and leave them there :P [19:54] / FIXME [19:54] // FIXME [19:54] even [19:54] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442915/ [19:55] JontheEchidna: btw, the pkgAllUpgrade and pkgDistUpgrade need brackets [19:55] <3 [19:55] your intention there is not immediately clear [19:55] and IMHO you really should use Q_DECLARE_PRIVATE and the Q_D macro whenver you need the d ptr for realz [19:57] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133456 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Move private member variables to the Private class. Thanks to Harald Sitter. [19:57] apachelogger: could you explain the advantages? [19:58] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442918/ [19:58] mostly [19:58] a) you can create a const pointer to simulate constness in an otherwise const function [19:59] Riddell: we should probably edit the announcement page where it says binaries available from .... [19:59] b) you can easily grow the class to one with multiple derivates and shared d-pointer [19:59] ive gtg [20:00] JontheEchidna: IMHO is the only argument you need ... in a world with 100% const correctness ^^ [20:00] a that is [20:00] b is just bous ;) [20:00] hmm, I seem to have broken qaptworker [20:01] * apachelogger thinks that libqapt would be a perfect target for doing unittesting ^^ [20:01] * apachelogger adds that to his way too long todo [20:02] oh, the directory was locked and I haven't got in error reporting for qapt-batch ^.^ [20:08] apachelogger: is the overall structure of the library sane? [20:09] JontheEchidna: didnt look that much yet [20:09] can review it later on [20:09] * apachelogger is currently fighting with ubuntuone-kde building [20:10] kk, thanks for the patches+review you've done so far [20:21] apachelogger: Peace not war! [20:23] does kubuntu use HAL to perform suspend etc? [20:26] yes [20:29] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601192857-p7kjd6q2wf79lnbw * debian/control build dep on pkg-config, libkonq5-dev and libqca2-dev [20:31] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601193048-ubd8vgf8teq2dt6g * debian/control apparenlty some fella actually created a bugy qoauth pkg -> build-dep on libqoauth1 for the time being [20:38] JontheEchidna: do you have a global include file or something? [20:38] typedef QList List; [20:38] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133470 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) ++apidox All public members in QApt::Backend are now documented [20:38] should not be in group.h since it blocks removal of the group header [20:38] apachelogger: there is a globals.h, yes [20:39] good thing qt creator doesnt display it ^^ [20:40] globals.h is where I put all the enums and stuff [20:40] that are useful globally [20:41] hm [20:41] let me think again [20:41] foo [20:42] Horrible that it is inside the class :P [20:43] JontheEchidna: IMHO that thingy should be changed from Group::List to GroupList and moved somewhere global [20:44] * JontheEchidna better write these down [20:45] apachelogger: same for Package::List, I would assume? [20:46] and PackageStates [20:46] but [20:46] IMHO that is tricky [20:47] either you keep it inside the appropraite classes [20:47] which means that each class needs to be included in the backend header anyway [20:47] so assuming one would want to use the backend most likely one gets the other includes anyway [20:48] which makes all that stuff available like it was global anyway [20:51] [libqapt] sitter * 1133473 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Move cache include to cpp [20:51] first non-me commit \o/ [20:52] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133474 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (TODO src/backend.h) -Clarification on what parameter downloadMessage emits -TODO++ [20:54] So qapt-batch basically works, but it still needs error notification, and I'd like for it to get the "details" console like install-package has [20:54] [libqapt] sitter * 1133475 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.h cache.h) Explicit ctors if less than 2 args please. [20:55] JontheEchidna: I do not think that details stuff is good UI wise TBH [20:55] it puts a terminal-like thingy right into the users face [20:56] good, because I haven't figured out the magic to grab the console output of the dpkg process that apt uses :D [20:56] it's voodoo enough getting the stuff from dpkg-status... [20:57] ^^ [20:57] JontheEchidna: why does cache not have a dptr? [20:57] JontheEchidna: also IMHO your indention is off ... namespaces should be indented, shouldnt they? [20:58] apachelogger: hmm, dunno why I didn't use a dptr for cache [20:58] definitely should have one, tho [20:59] [libqapt] sitter * 1133478 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.h cache.h group.h package.h) Explicit include guard naming QAPT_Foo_H instead of FOO_H [21:00] ^protection from namespace conflicts? [21:00] well, class name conflicts [21:02] apachelogger: fluffy sighting on planet kde [21:03] http://eng.i-iter.org/content/how-relevant-ui-design [21:03] JontheEchidna: yes, public headers must be incredibly precise in their include guards, otherwise your package.h might conflict with the rpm package.h or something [21:03] uhhh [21:04] fluffy \o/ [21:05] fluffy is definitely an untapped share of the market [21:05] until now ;) [21:07] apachelogger: I'll experiment with giving QApt::Cache a Q_DECLARE_PRIVATE dptr once I get home [21:07] then the rest will follow [21:08] apachelogger: will fluffy be available in fuchsia, or even aubergine??? [21:08] JontheEchidna: oh [21:08] JontheEchidna: all done already *blush* [21:08] apachelogger: oh wells :D [21:08] bbl [21:09] claydoh: no aubergine [21:09] fuchsia is fine, I like that color myself, actually purple is ok tho [21:11] options are good :) you should go for kde 2.x menu/option schemes really [21:12] Oo [21:12] [libqapt] sitter * 1133482 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (cache.cpp cache.h) Dptr for Cache + forward declare all pkg-apt classes [21:15] JontheEchidna: btw, you only need to document the namespace once, doxygen usually is smart enough to use it everywhere [21:16] same for derived functions, unless one provides a specific documentation it will use the base documentation IIRC [21:18] oh [21:18] package class needs a lot of love :/ [21:23] Riddell: apachelogger: I started looking at flights with Altas for Akademy, and QT4 should be fixed soonish (sorry for the ongoing delays, lifes been ... difficult) [21:25] someone can retry this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:4.4.80-0ubuntu2/+build/1767933 [21:33] [libqapt] sitter * 1133491 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp worker.h) Include cleanup for worker [21:33] [libqapt] sitter * 1133492 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (workeracquire.cpp workeracquire.h workerinstallprogress.h) More include cleanup [21:33] [libqapt] sitter * 1133493 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/cache.cpp Move initalizatoin of m_list where it blongs [21:38] [libqapt] sitter * 1133497 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (main.cpp qaptbatch.h) Includes again + Q_UNUSED [21:44] Riddell: yeah, i upgraded from the experimental ppa...all is good it seems..had to keep doing 'apt-get -f install's as apt kept bombing out with errors, but it went through all the way after 3 or 4 times of doing that [21:48] nixternal: what were you upgrading too? [21:49] -o [21:50] 4.5 beta 1 it seems [21:52] ah [21:52] brrr [21:52] my release script needs serious redoing [21:52] * txwikinger hands apachelogger a warm coat [21:52] cheers [21:54] nixternal: apt bombing out doesn't count as "all good" :) [21:54] lex79: retried [21:55] ok [21:57] Riddell: true, but I never had to '--force-overwrite' with dpkg [21:59] * apachelogger puts a hacking-for-Nightrose sign up [21:59] \o/ [21:59] * Nightrose likes hacking-for-nightrose [21:59] what are you hacking on? :D [22:00] Initialized empty Git repository in /home/me/src/bzr/release-script-refactor/amarok-0.1/.git/ [22:00] wohooooooooooooo [22:00] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [22:02] my 4.5 beta upgrade went pretty well, akonadi error gone, too :) [22:02] claydoh: have kmail working? [22:03] yes, I di have to install some not-installed packages [22:03] gimme a sec to pull the info up [22:06] Tm_T: libkontactinterface4 and libakonadi-contact4 [22:07] I think those were in the old kdepimlibs-data package, not sure if the recent ppa updates fix this [22:08] Nightrose: do you use the cmdline args or the kdialogs? [22:08] both [22:09] cause not everything is in the dialog [22:09] like tagging/nottagging dosc/nodocs [22:09] the stupid dialog shall die :P [22:10] ubuntuone-kde built \o/ [22:10] and failed on amd64 [22:10] thank you static linking [22:11] * apachelogger needs a guinea pig with i386 ;) [22:15] apachelogger: oink oink? === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [22:17] claydoh: do you have ubuntuone installed? [22:17] if so, please remove it [22:17] then [22:17] claydoh: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:apachelogger/ubuntuone-kde; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-kde [22:17] ahh, no [22:17] then get a ubuntuone account if you dont have one yet [22:17] and then start ubuntuone-kde and see what happens [22:24] Nightrose: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601212342-5cf643a2st903f61 release-script-refactor/lib/ (optparse.rb query.rb starter.rb vcs-git.rb): add git branching support [22:24] weeeeeeeeeeeeeee [22:24] kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger [22:24] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. [22:32] apachelogger: well something is running :) ubuntuone-syncd is sucking my old laptops's cpu cycles [22:32] apachelogger: no tray icon, tho [22:33] claydoh: also not if you show the whole tray? [22:33] + did you get to auth with the cloud? [22:34] no, I did have u1 installed but removed - ooh there's the icon now [22:35] should I delete the configs for u1? [22:37] hm [22:37] ahhhhh! [22:37] stupid me [22:37] you need to patch syncdaemon ;) [22:40] well this time it opened the gnome-keyring dialog for my password [22:40] yeah [22:40] syncdaemon is horrible and uses gnome-keyring only [22:40] claydoh: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/syncd-kwallet.patch; sudo patch /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/main.py syncd-kwallet.patch [22:41] ugly :) [22:41] then relogin or something [22:41] after that sd should use kwallet [22:41] * apachelogger is wondering why there was no auth dialog though [22:42] the authhandler should currently try authing whenever there is no appropriate key in kwallet :S [22:42] well I did have the configs/keyring info from the previous gnome applet [22:48] btw, using quassel as client /core is sooo nifty :) [22:51] no auth dialog yet..... [22:57] Nightrose: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601215726-a59o71ntz99sjyy7 release-script-refactor/lib/l10n.rb: Strip #~ from translations [22:57] all pushed and happy [22:57] :) [22:57] :* [22:58] claydoh: then something is broken :( [22:58] claydoh: is ubuntuone-auth running? [22:58] claydoh: does the tray thingy sip tea yet? [23:00] apachelogger: yes, it is doing so now [23:00] :/ [23:01] * claydoh should have tried this on a newer machine :) [23:01] claydoh: kill it [23:01] claydoh: then start ubuntuone-auth on a terminal [23:01] and restart the tray thingy [23:01] kill which? suncd? [23:01] syncd [23:01] ubuntuone-auth [23:01] oh oh oh [23:02] before starting it from the terminal ... do kdebugdialog and turn on everything [23:02] just to be sure ;) [23:02] then query me the output or send it by mail [23:03] it may be a bit later, I have to start cooking dinner [23:03] omg [23:03] ! [23:03] * apachelogger downloads kubuntu iso and installs vm ^^ [23:05] apachelogger: it is also my wife's laptop :/ so I will try it from my media pc running kde 4.4.3, unbless it is ok to run it on 4.5 on my personal laptop ;) [23:06] *shrug* [23:06] I am not using workspace stuff... so :P [23:06] no abi issues for me \o/ [23:07] * claydoh runs to cook his fish and asparagus.... [23:07] KRF: how much ram does your dearest kubuntu vbox have?