[00:08] looks like kdebase-runtime got some new files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/searchhandlers/ ... should they go into kdebase-runtime-data?
[00:11] (.desktop and .html files)
[00:12] sounds like -data then
[00:20] -data it will be then
[00:36] JontheEchidna: if you are ok with it, i'll do the kmozillahelper changes tomorrow
[00:52] Riddell: Aye, sure. Have anything prepared or shall I make it up as I go?
[00:58] apachelogger: Rails reinforces the odds of insanity.
[00:59] ryanakca: Thanks.
[01:14] neversfelde: retried the kdebase-workspace to have them build now that kdepimlibs is there
[01:18] well time to take a break for the night...
[01:41] Nightrose: Is your blog not on planet Ubuntu? We should fix that.
[01:50] ScottK or JontheEchidna: can you upload kdebase-runtime from bzr please?
[02:33] ScottK, around?
[02:33] rbelem: Sort of.
[02:33] :-)
[02:34] I'm doing several things right now, but if you don't mind me beeing laggy, we can chat.
[02:34] no problem
[02:39] ScottK, i'm still fighting with ksambashare and i want to keep it sane. i'm making lots of changes and i want to know if am i making it complicated or is it ok to follow this path.
[02:40] * ScottK probably isn't the best person to ask about htat.
[02:40] ok
[02:41] it would be nice to discuss about this with agateau, but he is offline
[02:49] i think i found a solution
[02:50] Riddell: In any case, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.3.1 . If you want to edit it, https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/151/edit .
[04:17] Riddell: Why is libsmokebase4-3 not libsmokebase3? It's soname is 3.
[07:57] ScottK: it is but i'm always hesitant to post there tbh in fear of getting beaten for too much k and non-ubuntu stuff
[07:57] (i syndicate a specia category)
[08:12] oh sigh...
[08:13] because I have rekonq dailes, I cant report ubuntu bugs against rekonq... :(
[08:13] * jussi goes to find how to file manually
[08:16] jussi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+filebug
[08:17] a|wen: ahh, thanks.
[08:17] np :)
[08:23] awesome. 2 bugs filed :)
[08:25] better if you said fixed :P
[08:34] KRF: your current akonadi failure seems to be of a different nature :/
[09:00] apachelogger :'(
[09:01] that is the beauty of akonadi
[09:01] KRF: I think your mysql is not terminating properly
[09:01] and that causes trouble on next startup
[09:01] a|wen: I do what I can...
[09:01] at least that is the only way I can explain the other two failed tests youve got
[09:02] * apachelogger is mirroring the archives again ^^
[09:06] So how does one forward bugs upstream?
[09:06] you report them at bko and close the launchpad bug
[09:07] well, latter only if the surverity is not super high or trackworthy
[09:07] even for rekonq?
[09:07] jussi: if rekonq is tracked on bko, yes
[09:07] otherwise use whatever bugtracker rekonq uses ^^
[09:07] bug 588158 and bug 588160
[09:07] Launchpad bug 588158 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq googles when localhost:631 is entered. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588158
[09:07] Launchpad bug 588160 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq hangs on finding printers in cups web interface " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588160
[09:08] wasnt there someway to link it in LP ?
[09:09] there was, but it is overly pointless since the lp bug will be closed anyway
[09:10] cant find the wiki page in the pile of duplicated information :/
[09:11] jussi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Forwarding upstream
[09:11] ooh, excellent, thank you
[09:11] ah
[09:11] there it is
[09:11] jussi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches
[09:12] obviously one would be searching for bug watch and not how to link a bug upstream -.-
[09:12] *sigh*
[09:13] heh
[09:14] I just want to make sure the right eyes get on the bug...
[09:14] in that case I better do not look at it ;)
[09:14] :D
[09:15] jussi: bug 588158 might not be related to localhost btw
[09:15] Launchpad bug 588158 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq googles when localhost:631 is entered. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588158
[09:15] apachelogger: did that memenu ever eventuate?
[09:15] no
[09:15] memenu is crap
[09:15] lol
[09:15] long live soundmenu
[09:15] !
[09:15] soundmenu?
[09:15] see mailing list
[09:16] ouch
[09:16] I think I have a bit of a tense neck
[09:16] heh
[09:16] apachelogger: yeah, I had sore neck yesterday
[09:16] anyhow, about that localhost bug ... I think that the problem is more of the sort that mr rekonq just doesnt second guess the user when a port number was provided
[09:17] hrm?
[09:18] if you try hello.com:100 it will also go to google
[09:18] if you specify the protocol as http it will indeed try to access that URL
[09:18] so I suppose the fix ought to be as "easy" as adding protocol expansion to http
[09:18] jussi: the bug is not related to localhost but to the port number in combination with missing protocol
[09:18] ahh
[09:18] right
[09:19] rekonq fails to parse that as host:protocol and makes it a search term
[09:19] while when there is a http:// involved it will just assume everything past the http:// is a URL and try to access it
[09:19] See I figure if we are going to have rekonq in by default, Ill use it as much as possible and tell people where it falls down for me :)
[09:19] are we going to have it by default? :P
[09:19] yeah, that makes sense
[09:20] apachelogger: I thought so?
[09:20] that should proof interesting
[09:21] apachelogger: I _think_ the decision was that as long as they released on time, we would switch. but I may be wrong...
[09:22] hm
[09:22] "Include a decent web browser in Kubuntu Maverick"
[09:22] wow
[09:22] defining a proser that is not capable of protocol expansion if a port is involved is.... sad
[09:22] well it _is_ "Maverick"
[09:22] :P
[09:23] apachelogger: I guess thats why Im reporting bugs?
[09:24] there is a large difference between kubuntu members reporting bugs and having users exposed to the software
[09:24] as seen within the past
[09:25] apachelogger: yes, true. but it is Maverick... not $LTS
[09:26] so we are now actually carrying LTS through and not just fix some random bugs that might happen to affect someone important enough for us to care?
[10:18] $ grep fluffy cdimage/scratch/fluffy/daily/debian-cd/i386/lucid-alternate-i386.list /pool/main/f/fluffy-unicorn/fluffy-unicorn_0.0.0~alpha1~1.gbpe0601f_i386.deb
[10:18] fregl: apparenlty I just built the first fluffy iso
[11:07] as we don't have a libsmokekde-dev package for all the .so files for libraries in libsmokekde4-3 i suppose that we should just not ship them?
[11:07] (lucid kde 4.4.4)
[11:07] Riddell: ^^?
[11:10] apachelogger: apart from the theme, what is different about fluffy from kubuntu?
[11:13] a|wen: right
[11:13] Riddell: what about the qyoto/mono bindings? ... those seems to have no sane place either
[11:19] Riddell: I managed to install it now, but had to force-overwrite about 14 packages
[11:20] Riddell: but what happened to the systray icons? Thsoe are not Oxygen ions and look dreadful
[11:21] they totally lack color
[11:22] a|wen: has anything changed sine 4.4.3?
[11:22] Mamarok: did you keep a copy of what needed to be force-overwrite?
[11:23] well, I have the history, will copy that and filter, takes just a moment
[11:23] Mamarok: icon colour is a decision of someone upstream and follows what other platforms have done, I guess it's a matter of taste
[11:24] it looks horrible, not oxygen like at all, has nuno seen that? I bet he would not like it
[11:25] Riddell: hard to know without rebuilding if any not-installed files was there as well ... hoped to skip building 4.4.3 (but well, might as well start the build now then)
[11:25] btw, kdetoys is broken
[11:26] a|wen: hang on, what are the not installed files?
[11:26] Riddell: a bunch of files in /usr/lib/mono/qyoto/
[11:36] apachelogger: \o/ whoohoo
[11:36] I will spend today on parley handbook writing though, if I can make myself do that... we got kde doc freeze tomorrowish
[11:37] handbook writing still beats design document writing :P
[11:38] a|wen: one way to check would be comparing if any CMakeLists.txt files have changed between 4.4.3 and 4.4.4
[11:39] jussi: software selection
[11:39] apachelogger: ok. :)
[11:39] also fluffy is currenlty getting documented CD building procedure :P
[11:39] :D
[11:39] also I got hci exam in 20 minutes Oo
[11:40] * apachelogger should change his pyjamas for something more fitting
[11:40] lol
[11:46] Riddell: true ... but then there might be less work in just letting it finish the compile; if someone could remember, that was the easy solution
[11:52] Riddell: seen http://randomguy3.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/d-bus-threading-issues/ ?
[11:56] a|wen:
[11:56] a|wen: no, seems important though
[11:57] Riddell: indeed ... and if we are going to get a core library patched like that for maverick, we better gonna do it early
[11:59] after alpha 1 freeze
[11:59] Mamarok: did you find the overwrite error logs?
[12:01] didn't have time, was ranting about those horrible SysTray icons in plasma, but as usual, they ignore people
[12:02] so far I have only heard complaints from users, if I would want monochrome icons, I would have chosen that, they pretend it is less disturbing the work, I find it extremely disturbing and ugly
[12:02] not consistent with the rest of the desktop and panel icons
[12:17] Riddell: apparently I should be able to go back to the old icons, erasing /share/apps/desktoptheme/*/icons in the KDE4 install folder, where is that?
[12:17] and how can I do that?
[12:18] Mamarok: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icons/
[12:18] ah, thanks
[12:23] Riddell: thanks a bunch, erasing that icon fonder reverts to the normal icons, that made my day :)
[12:24] but some plasma people can't live with the truth apparently... I'm on sebas' ignore list now :) (wich doesn't bother me the least)
[12:51] May I ask, the Akonadi is it possible for it to MAYBE make it until Maverick stable release?
[12:52] oxymoron: I don't understand the question
[12:54] Riddell: Well somewhere I read Akonadi will delay their release of stable Akonadi for, oh it maybe was KDE 4.5. But well, do you think Akonadi will be done before Kubuntu 10.10?
[12:55] KDE Pim is delaying its release, it should be released in time for maverick, which one we pick we will have to decide based on what seems most stable
[12:56] So hopefully I got a working KMail in newxt version of Kubuntu?
[12:58] I hope so too
[12:59] Seems like 10.10 will be that THIS IS IT moment with QT 4.7, KDE 4.5.x, reconq, new installer, Better KPackageKit and so on.
[13:00] new installer?
[13:00] Kubuntu Maverick KPackageKit App Center
[13:01] oh aye
[13:01] Oh nvm with new installer, I confused myself that they should merge kubuntu default and netbook into one single image :P
[13:02] As far as I can tell reconq seems extremely fast, get 100/100 on Acid 3, uses WebKit, A LOT OF dev tools for web developers like me, better tab browsing, clean, really neat bookmark system and so on.
[13:08] oxymoron: it's rekonq
[13:08] Tm_T: Yeah sorry, I noticed that when doing sudo apt-get install reconq xD :P
[13:09] I am not sure I like Rekonq logo though, looks a little bit scary :D
[13:09] Maybe that might frighten all other browsers :D
[13:10] Probably faster then Chromium/Chrome
[13:11] What I like the most is that its developed by a web developer, FINALLY!
[13:14] What I dont like, the adress bar is to darn thin :D
[13:15] Riddell: looks like we make this evening with 4.4.4
[13:17] txwikinger: Sweet, will it be packaged to "stable" Kubuntu later on (I have no rush, just wonder because I like to be out early with new stuff, for a reason I cant imagine)
[13:25] txwikinger: it's looking good
[13:29] http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/31/google-to-employees-mac-or-linux-but-no-more-windows/ :)
[13:36] my windows don't have menus today :(
[13:37] uh oh
[13:37] agateau: ^^
[13:48] upgraded to 4.5, mostly smooth process. had to install libakonadi-contact4 and libkontactinterface4 to get kontact yo run. though
[13:49] and I agree with Mamarok that those tray icons simply clash with everything else
[13:49] aside from their relative ugliness
[13:58] claydoh: don't think you can tell that to anybody in KDE, you will be acused of being a moron, "you will get used to", that you are agressing others and violating the CoC, just happend to me
[13:58] * Mamarok seriously ponders to leave that whole mess where opinions can't be voiced anymore
[13:58] Mamarok: it didn't go like that, IMO
[13:58] ??? seriously???
[13:58] becuase it is not the same as sebas'
[13:58] seriuosly
[13:58] oh come on...
[13:59] Tm_T: oh, you haven't seen what else I was told
[13:59] Mamarok: what I saw in channels, you were very aggressive towards others
[13:59] Tm_T: I was not, cerftainly not inted to be, I juat gave my honest opinion
[13:59] just
[14:00] Tm_T: anyway, off for treatment
[14:00] Mamarok: it looked very aggressive to me
[14:00] also you were told several times where that very same discussion has been going
[14:00] also how to solve for you
[14:00] well, I sais it was ugly, inconsistend and that I don't want any monochrome icons on my desktop and how I can change that back, and sebas immediately agrssed me
[14:00] so really, please don't continue this unnecessary "fight"
[14:01] no, I will leave KDE, that is just the drop too much
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[14:01] Mamarok: please don't
[14:02] of course I will, since my contribution is totally disegarded, and telling the truth is not allowed, I can't continue in a project like that, where people can't accept that not everybody shares their opinion
[14:02] txwikinger: kdebindings done
[14:02] a|wen: yeah \o/
[14:02] Mamarok: noone said you cannot share your opinion
[14:03] Mamarok: it was all about _how_ you do it
[14:04] Mamarok: please, step back for a moment and let's continue then later
[14:07] a|wen: I think someone needs to take over kdebase
[14:10] txwikinger: you might be right ... bulldog98 isn't around?
[14:11] a|wen: I tried to ping him a couple of times, he has not responded
[14:11] I would think this packages might be too difficult for his experience level
[14:12] We need to mentor him a little
[14:12] txwikinger: sure ... i'll set kdebase to build in the background; hopefully it's a nice and easy one
[14:13] a|wen: sounds good
[14:13] I need kdebase for my last package in work
[14:14] yeah .. looks like we are almost finished
[14:20] Riddell: JontheEchidna: sorry was away
[14:21] I guess it's time to upgrade my desktop to Maverick if I want to track that bug
[14:21] * agateau is not sure upgrading now is a good idea
[14:22] * Riddell is not sure either
[14:22] but I am installing the first cd images from maverick, virtual machine only for now
[14:23] Riddell: just curious: what vm system do you use
[14:23] ?
[14:23] virtualbox-ose
[14:23] maverick's been working fairly well for me
[14:24] but then, I'm crazy :D
[14:24] JontheEchidna: can you try something for me?
[14:26] a|wen: I’m here
[14:26] agateau: sure
[14:26] bulldog98: do you have kdebase finished?
[14:26] JontheEchidna: install d-feet, connect to the session bus, and check if there is something named org.ayatana.WindowMenu.Registrar in the list on the left
[14:27] a|wen: not by now started
[14:28] bulldog98: okay ... so you wouldn't mind me grabbing that one?
[14:28] a|wen: no i won’t :P
[14:28] a|wen: I think I need an mentor the next time and maybe more free time
[14:29] agateau: looks like it's registered: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoplb1444-jpg.jpg
[14:29] JontheEchidna: that would be the reason why your menus are missing
[14:30] JontheEchidna: do you have the menubar applet installed?
[14:30] bulldog98: just ask in here, when you run into trouble :) ... and if you think it might take a while, be sure to grab a leaf-package from here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[14:30] agateau: installed, yes. Not running, though
[14:30] a|wen: saw that before
[14:31] JontheEchidna: there was a bug with the applet: when it is removed it forgets to unregister the WindowMenu.Registrar thing
[14:31] agateau: I did have it earlier today
[14:31] JontheEchidna: this cause Qt to think it can still export the menu
[14:31] JontheEchidna: restart plasma then, it should fix it
[14:31] ok
[14:31] (kquitapp plasma-desktop ; plasma-desktop)
[14:32] I need to release a new version of the applet with this fix
[14:32] agateau: much better
[14:32] JontheEchidna: note that you will need to restart your applications as well :/
[14:32] yup
=== mcasadevall is now known as NCommander
[14:32] thanks
[14:33] you're welcome
[14:34] phew
[14:36] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100601133623-hy3saui1iir75sez * src/api/Subscription.cpp Fix crash due to missing dptr
[14:50] txwikinger: kdebase is in ppa should be ready in less than an hour
[14:50] a|wen: cool.. I will upload kdeutils when kdebase is ready
[14:55] txwikinger: cool ... when is official/upstream release?
[14:56] a|wen: sebas and dirk seem to be talking about the next few hours
[14:56] anyone tested it yet?
[14:56] Riddell: no
[14:57] Riddell: not yet ...
[14:59] oh kde-l10n, why do you take so long?
[14:59] Riddell: how long has it been going on with it?
[15:00] since whenever I put my name in the wiki
[15:00] * a|wen recalls that has been a while
[15:00]