[00:32] <lfaraone> wgrant: should a new method be created to replace syncSource, or can we modify the behavior of it? (if there are existing clients I don't want to break them)
[00:32] <wgrant> lfaraone: We'll be adjusting syncSource, right.
[00:34] <lfaraone> wgrant: do we send out announces for archive-admin-performed syncs? if not, why should the behavior change for motu-requested syncs?
[00:34] <wgrant> lfaraone: Except for autosyncs, yes, we do.
[00:34] <wgrant> Anyway, I should leave for uni in a couple of minutes.
[00:34] <lfaraone> wgrant: okay, and no changes file is generated for that either, right?
[05:49] <MikeChelen> is it possible to fork a project, or is there some other recommended way to contribute code to a project?
[05:49] <mwhudson> MikeChelen: generally you just push up a new branch of the project
[05:51] <MikeChelen> mwhudson: should it be done through bzr or the project page to register a branch?
[05:51] <mwhudson> MikeChelen: through bzr is easiest
[05:52] <MikeChelen> mwhudson: is there a guide for how to do that?
[05:54] <mwhudson> perhaps, but it's easy: bzr push lp:~$you/$project/$branch_name
[05:55] <mwhudson> ah, https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch <- MikeChelen
[05:55] <MikeChelen> ok, just have to get the authentication set up
[05:57] <MikeChelen> mwhudson: got it, thanks! should the branch name be anything in particular?
[05:58] <mwhudson> MikeChelen: generally i choose a name that will remind me later of what the branch is for (for example, if it's to fix a bug, putting the bug number in)
[05:59] <mwhudson> MikeChelen: you can request a merge proposal against the project's trunk too
[06:00] <MikeChelen> mwhudson: that is the right thing to do, if the code will hopefully be included?
[06:01] <mwhudson> MikeChelen: yes
[06:07] <MikeChelen> still figuring out bzr basics :)
[06:08] <MikeChelen> is there any way to allow download for particular packages?
[06:09] <MikeChelen> that is probably only for the main team right
[06:11] <mwhudson> MikeChelen: i don't understand, sorry
[06:12] <MikeChelen> mwhudson: it would be nice to have some way of downloading a subdirectory of the project, packaged into a .zip or other single file
[06:13] <mwhudson> oh right
[06:13] <mwhudson> yeah, that's a still unimplemented feature
[06:36] <wgrant> win 9
[06:36] <wgrant> Argh.
[08:17] <dupondje> Hi, there seems to be a little missing code when subscribing someone :)
[08:18] <dupondje> when I subscribe for example ubuntu-sponsors, its just a normal icon that gets added in front, not a star like when I refresh :)
[08:22] <BlackZ> dupondje: report it as a bug, if you think it's
[08:26] <vish> does anyone know about the new "Expired" status?
[08:27] <vish> is it available only when the bug has expired and only for the Bug control members , or for anyone ?
[08:27] <vish> and do the expired bugs show up in the searches?
[08:29] <dupondje> BlackZ: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/588162
[08:29] <BlackZ> thanks dupondje
[08:29] <dupondje> not that its very special :P
[08:29] <vish> dupondje: i can confirm that bug , it happens to all the teams ;)
[08:30] <BlackZ> well, actually I'm not sure if it's a bug
[08:30] <dupondje> well its not a bug really
[08:30] <dupondje> more a missing feature ? :)
[08:30] <BlackZ> dupondje: probably
[08:30] <dupondje> ah well
[08:30] <dupondje> if somebody feels bored :P
[08:38] <wgrant> I discovered that when I was fixing the AJAX subscription code many months ago. I decided I couldn't be bothered fixing that one.
[08:39] <wgrant> I believe there's already a bug.
[08:39]  * wgrant hunts.
[08:40] <BlackZ> wgrant: seems not
[08:41] <BlackZ> rebooting (I have some problems with the keyboard, argh!)
[08:43] <noodles775> fta: Hi... just to be sure, with bug 588044, you did copy from lucid to maverick *including* binaries?
[09:42] <fta2> noodles775, i just used the "copy" feature in the PPA, without rebuild
[09:43] <fta2> noodles775, well, actually, i don't remember. I'm sure i didn't rebuild the ffmpeg-codecs in the chromium/stable ppa
[09:45] <noodles775> fta2: ok... I've updated the bugs with a bit more info.
[10:06] <fta2> i wonder why the API is so slow...
[10:11] <fta2> noodles775, Q: is there a way to bench the api (wrt speed, num of http requests, ...)
[10:12] <fta2> because it takes ~5min to create those 5 dashboards: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/    .. which i find incredibly long
[10:14] <fta2> Q: is it possible to get the "Missing build dependencies" reason using the API?  (like here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+build/1762412)
[10:15] <noodles775> fta2: I haven't checked if the api provides utilities itself, but I know the launchpad foundations team is currently looking at tools benchmarking in general (see the "performance dashboard" thread on launchpad-dev).
[10:15] <noodles775> s/tools/tools for/
[10:16] <noodles775> I'd assume in your case it's mostly reducing the number of round-trips?
[10:17] <fta2> i think so
[10:17]  * noodles775 looks at the missing build dependency...
[10:17] <fta2> https://dev.launchpad.net/Foundations/SystemPerformance => "The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request."
[10:17] <noodles775> wfm? (but yeah, very ironic :)
[10:18] <fta2> hm.. transient error, works fine now
[10:19] <noodles775> fta2: regarding the build dependency... the template is just using IBuild.dependencies which is also exported, so that should work.
[10:20] <noodles775> (you'll obviously need to only display it as a *missing* dependency if the build state is DepWait).
[10:20] <fta2> ok, thanks
[10:27] <geser> fta2: build.dependencies contains the missing dep on which the build waits
[10:28] <geser> it's successfully used for the FTBFS listing
[10:31] <geser> fta2: and with "import httplib2; httplib2.debuglevel = 1" at the beginning of your script you can at least get the LP API HTTP request shown, which you could use for counting or checking if a object is refetched too often
[10:40] <fta2> geser, already tried that, it's just showing the requests (without timing them).. and i just see there are too many
[10:41] <fta2> i wonder if this is relevant: http://code.google.com/p/httplib2/issues/detail?id=91
[12:08] <TresEquis> Just reported an issue with failing SVN imports: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/113078
[12:10] <jpds> TresEquis: I think that that was fixed a while ago.
[12:13] <maxb> It definitely appears to be fixed now
[12:16] <maxb> TresEquis: ^
[12:18] <TresEquis> maxb: OK, but I just saw the import fail this morning
[12:18] <jpds> TresEquis: Yes; and the configuration issue was fixed. :)
[12:18] <maxb> weekday mornings are a good time for admins to wake up and fix things :-)
[12:19] <TresEquis> OK, thanks!
[12:20] <rowinggolfer_> Are there any issues regarding ppa build system? I've pushed my sources to my ppa, and can see no evidence of it, nor have I had any mail about rejection or acceptance.
[12:21] <maxb> rowinggolfer_: 1) Is your gpg key known to launchpad? 2) Was your .changes file correctly signed? 3) Have you waited 5 minutes?
[12:22] <rowinggolfer_> maxb I've waited 16 hours.
[12:22] <rowinggolfer_> my gpg key did expire last month, but I "updated" it using the lucid gui tool.
[12:22] <rowinggolfer_> could that be te problem?
[12:23] <rowinggolfer_> if so I would have expected dput to report that...?
[12:23] <maxb> No, dput would not report this
[12:24] <rowinggolfer_> ok.
[12:24] <maxb> Search for your key on keyserver.ubuntu.com and verify that your updated key is there
[12:24] <rowinggolfer_> thanks
[12:25] <rowinggolfer_> lol... nice deafault apache screen http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/
[12:25] <maxb> Fundamentally the problem is that dput sends the files to a dumb ftp server, and they are actually processed by a separate job
[12:25] <maxb> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/ (and heh, would be nice if they put in a redirect)
[12:25] <rowinggolfer_> thanks again
[12:27] <rowinggolfer_> maxb - yeap that's my problem. many thanks
[12:28] <maxb> Do a gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key "Your key ID"
[12:28] <maxb> I am uncertain how long it may take for Launchpad to pick it up from there
[12:34] <bilalakhtar> Hi there lp devs, what will be the new features of lp 10.05?
[12:40] <MikeGuo> hi, guys, not sure what's happen. but I found the download speed is so slowly. that's normal?
[12:41] <MikeGuo> the page always told me "please try again"
[12:41] <MikeGuo> and told me "there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server"
[12:57] <bilalakhtar> Hi there lp devs, what will be the new features of lp 10.05?
[13:02] <matsubara> bilalakhtar, I think the easiest way to know before the release is to look at https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestone/10.05. mrevell will send an announcement once the release is done with the highlights
[13:03] <bilalakhtar> matsubara: thanks
[13:05] <matsubara> np
[13:05] <rowinggolfer_> milestones are fantastic. blueprints I don't get :(
[13:23] <TresEquis> Is there any talk of hosting a per-project wiki or other TTW project documentation in LP
[13:25] <rowinggolfer_> TresEquis, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+question/36663
[13:26] <rowinggolfer_> also see this open bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/240067
[13:31] <TresEquis> rowinggolfer_: thanks, I figured it must have come up
[13:32] <TresEquis> I haven't actually worked with the LP source yet, but do have significant relevant experience with other Python / Zope based wikis
[14:12] <rowinggolfer_> maxb - my key is now updated on the ubuntu keyserver, but as you implied launchpad doesn't know yet.
[14:12] <Joy> ok, i think i have an account in launchpad, but i'm not sure what its name is. i've tried the password recovery on one, but never got the mail. what do i do?
[14:12] <rowinggolfer_> frustrating that this error passes "silently"
[14:16] <matsubara> Joy, is this the account: https://edge.launchpad.net/~joy+launchpad? did you try the email address listed there? can you check emails are not caught by spam filters on your side?
[14:18] <Joy> can you tell me what *is* the e-mail address listed there? :))
[14:18] <Joy> Email: Log in for email information.
[14:18] <Joy> that's what i see
[14:18] <Joy> i tried joy+launchpad@entuzijast.net
[14:18] <Joy> and mx1.entuzijast.net got no messages for that at all
[14:19] <matsubara> Joy, doh, sorry. I thought the email was availabe to everyone (it actually is but you need to be logged in. my bad)
[14:19] <matsubara> Joy, linux.hr is the domain. ring any bells?
[14:20] <Joy> ah, ok, i'll try that then
[14:21] <matsubara> Joy, ok. let me know if you need further help
[14:21] <Joy> thanks (waiting for the mail now)
[14:21] <matsubara> np
[14:24] <Joy> [joy@griffin:~]% grep -i launchpad /var/log/exim4/mainlog
[14:24] <Joy> [joy@griffin:~]%
[14:24] <Joy> waah. :)
[14:24] <Joy> (mx1.linux.hr)
[14:30] <geser> did you try the right delimiter in your localpart?
[14:31] <Joy> well matsubara pointed to the plus
[14:31] <Joy> but then, yes, that might be an issue
[14:31] <Joy> % /usr/sbin/exim4 -bt joy+launchpad@linux.hr
[14:31] <Joy> rowinggolfer_: system_aliases for joy+launchpad@linux.hr
[14:31] <Joy> rowinggolfer_: aliases for joy+launchpad@linux.hr
[14:31] <Joy> joy+launchpad@linux.hr is undeliverable: Unrouteable address
[14:31] <Joy> rowinggolfer_: sorry, it's my irssi expanding R:
[14:31] <geser> on your LP page it's not the +
[14:32] <matsubara> Joy, I didn't want to post your email here and I assumed you knew it. it's joy-launchpad@linux.hr
[14:32] <Joy> oh, bother :)
[14:32]  * Joy should un-qmail-ize that machine one day, too
[14:33] <Joy> sorry for the confusion, although that still doesn't explain why the launchpad website didn't immediately error out
[14:33] <Joy> probably an anti-spam method?
[14:36] <Joy> 2010-06-01 15:35:51 H=adelie.canonical.com [91.189.90.139]:41420 I=[193.198.184.26]:25 F=<noreply@launchpad.net> temporarily rejected RCPT <joy-launchpad@linux.hr>: greylisted.
[14:36] <Joy> yesssh, finally
[14:36] <Joy> thank you both
[14:36] <henninge> sinzui: ping
[14:36] <sinzui> hi henninge
[14:36] <henninge> Hi sinzui!
[14:37] <henninge> just a moment
[14:38] <henninge> sinzui: defcon is seeing that his karma is constantly decreasing although he is using LP regularly. Any idea what to look for?
[14:39] <sinzui> Very old high point work has expired after 1 year
[14:39] <henninge> so that would lead to points expiring faster than gaining new points?
[14:39] <sinzui> henninge, defcon: spec work and burst of bug triage from last year can cause a rapid decline after one year
[14:39] <rowinggolfer_> defcon - if you are demotivated - try #fedora ;)
[14:41] <sinzui> karma expires so that new contributors can quickly be ranked with old contributors.
[14:41] <henninge> defcon: you are saying that you have not worked on Launchpad that long?
[14:43] <defcon> im active since round about 2 weeks
[14:43] <defcon> before i paused ca. 1 year
[14:45] <henninge> sinzui: it went from 40 to almost 1500 and now down to 1380 within 4 days. Is that a normal fluctuation?
[14:46] <sinzui> No.
[14:47] <henninge> sinzui: should we open a bug to investigate further after the roll-out?
[14:47] <defcon> the last 4 days the karma was not calculated, although i answered a lot of question, did translation and so on
[14:48] <sinzui> defcon have you worked with branches? I know karma calculation failed a few times
[14:48] <defcon> henninge, if the translation is wrong, please correct me :D
[14:48] <defcon> sinzui, no
[14:49] <henninge> defcon: you're fine ;)
[14:50] <defcon> henninge, thanks :D
[14:51] <defcon> sinzui, the only thing i did (since karma is decreasing) i rejoined launchpad-beta-users because it was expired
[14:52] <sinzui> registry (teams and project) do not privide karma
[14:52] <defcon> ok
[14:52] <sinzui> defcon, report a bug. I need to investigate this after the release or at least when I am not talking to 5 people at the same time.
[14:53] <defcon> ok
[15:00] <rowinggolfer_> maxb, thanks for your help earlier - to confirm that my packages have now uploaded, thanks.
[15:01] <maxb> excellent :-)
[15:02] <rowinggolfer_> should I delete my "intrepid" packages now?
[15:10] <maxb> rowinggolfer_: You cannot upload new intrepid ones, but you are under no obligation to delete existing ones.
[15:10] <maxb> Your choice as maintainer of the PPA
[15:12] <rowinggolfer_> maxb... thanks again. I noticed it didn't allow the new intrepid package
[15:25] <Penguin_Guy> Hi! I'm relatively new to Launchpad, I've just started a team and have some working code at https://launchpad.net/~blobber - I just wanted the thumbs up that I'm going about this the right way and maybe some guidance on what to do next. Thanks.
[15:30] <bilalakhtar> Penguin_Guy: Is the blobber project registered in lp?
[15:31] <bilalakhtar> Penguin_Guy: ok, it isn't.
[15:31] <rowinggolfer_> Penguin_Guy, I would be concerned about the name "blobber"... it seems already to be the name of some established games owned by the likes of shockwave
[15:33] <Penguin_Guy> rowinggolfer_: You mean there may be legal issues?
[15:35] <rowinggolfer_> Penguin_Guy, yes.
[15:35] <rowinggolfer_> if your game gets 10,000,000 users... (and you never know)... you'll need to change the name for sure
[15:36] <Penguin_Guy> rowinggolfer_: Right, I'll change the name, is there anything else?
[15:36] <rowinggolfer_> nope, it looks good to me.
[15:36] <rowinggolfer_> but I know nothing.
[16:01] <maxb> Penguin_Guy: You should clarify the purpose of the team a bit. Is it for anyone and everyone, and you plan to request a mailing list? Or is it going to own Bazaar branches - in which case it shouldn't be an Open team?
[16:02] <maxb> Penguin_Guy: And it's absolutely the wrong thing to do to use +junk branches for collaborative work
[16:04] <Penguin_Guy> maxb: I was planning on starting a project for blobber, and let anyone join the project. I've used a +junk branch for now because I'm not really sure where the branch should be.
[16:04] <maxb> People do not join projects, they join teams
[16:04] <maxb> The problem with 'letting anyone join' is that anyone can join.... and delete your branch
[16:05] <Penguin_Guy> maxb: But they need to have signed the CoC first don't they?
[16:05] <maxb> No
[16:05] <maxb> The CoC only gates the ability to create a PPA
[16:08] <Penguin_Guy> macb: Ah, I'll get that changed right now.
[18:10] <vadi2> Are there plans to have launchpad use the async google analytics script? http://ur1.ca/04sx5 (it's stuck on that)
[19:13] <BadChoice> Hi
[19:13] <BadChoice> I've a problem when creating a branch..
[19:13] <BadChoice> Permission denied (publickey).
[19:14] <BadChoice> And i don't know how to solve it
[20:09] <thopiekar> hi
[20:13] <thopiekar> I am working on a application that should download a file from my bzr branch.. but these links that I can find on "view branch" page.. point at the file of the current branch.. but is there a link or a way to download always the latest file even after branch pushes?
[20:13] <thopiekar> I hope you understand what my problem is ;)
[20:34] <beuno> thopiekar, yes
[20:36] <thopiekar> I found now a snipplet with Acire that downloads the latest branch revision
[20:36] <beuno> thopiekar, use head:
[20:36] <beuno> as the revision
[20:38] <thopiekar> so this is right? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~thopiekar/mopedix/artwork/download/head:/mopedixlogo.png-20100513112401-ksjo1e3l3gmoija7-9/mopedix-logo.png
[20:38] <thopiekar> what about the "20100513112401-ksjo1e3l3gmoija7-9"
[20:39] <beuno> that's the file-if
[20:39] <beuno> file-id
[20:39] <beuno> which is fine
[20:39] <beuno> it doesn't change
[20:39] <thopiekar> this file-id will not be changed after a push?
[20:40] <thopiekar> ahh ok :P
[20:40] <thopiekar> thanks beuno!
[21:19] <thopiekar> beuno: is there also a way to list the files of a branch without bzrlib?
[21:21] <timour> Hi, I am one of the MariaDB core developers, I pushed into an LP tree 5 hours ago, and the branch page still says:
[21:21] <timour> "
[21:21] <timour> Launchpad is processing new changes to this branch which will be available in a few minutes. Reload to see the changes.
[21:21] <timour> "
[21:21] <mwhudson> timour: are your changes present?
[21:22] <mwhudson> the message is probably lying :/
[21:22] <timour> mwhudson, how do I check this?
[21:22] <timour> mwhudson, the reason I think there is a real problem, is because our BuildBot system didn't start building.
[21:23] <timour> mwhudson, this is the branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~maria-captains/maria/5.3-subqueries
[21:24] <timour> mwhudson, perhaps if the message is lying to me (via the web page), it is lying to out BuldBot system, and that is a real problem.
[21:25] <timour> s/out/our
[21:29] <mwhudson> timour: it seems the branch is damaged somehow :/
[21:29] <timour> mwhudson, what would you suggest? delete it?
[21:29] <mwhudson> ah
[21:30] <mwhudson> timour: the branch it is stacked on, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maria-captains/maria/5.1, has been upgraded to 2a format
[21:31] <mwhudson> timour: you should be able to see a upgrade button on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maria-captains/maria/5.3-subqueries, clicking it will very likely help
[21:32] <timour> mwhudson, I heard it takes many hours to convert, would it be much faster if I just delete it, and push again?
[21:33] <timour> mwhudson, by the way, thank you for looking into this.
[21:34] <mwhudson> timour: only the revisions not in the stacked-on branch need to be converted, it shouldn't take very long
[21:34] <mwhudson> deleting and repushing will probably be faster though, indeed
[21:35] <timour> mwhudson, ok, I will try to minimize human time, so will try first upgrading.
[21:35] <maxb> remember also that delete/repush would remove people subscribed to the branch
[21:36] <timour> maxb, yes, and it will remove it from BuildBot, so I pushed the "upgrade" button.
[21:37] <timour> mwhudson, maxb: Many thanks, I hope it works. Do you have a guesstimate how long it may take? Is it going to be upgraded by tomorrow?
[21:39] <mwhudson> timour: i would guess < 1 hour
[21:40] <timour> mwhudson, I hope that this solves the problem, otherwise we will really need your help. Thank you!
[21:41] <mwhudson> timour: np, sorry the problems are so opaque
[21:43] <timour> mwhudson, now the message that the branch is being upgraded is gone, there is still an "upgrade" button, and still "Launchpad is processing new changes to this branch". I hope this is how it should work.
[21:44] <mwhudson> timour: that's suspiciously fast :/
[21:45] <mwhudson> oh right, upgrading the branches this way around doesn't work :(
[21:45] <timour> yes
[21:45] <mwhudson> timour: you could try running "bzr upgrade lp:~maria-captains/maria/5.3-subqueries" yourself, i think that will actually work
[21:46] <timour> mwhudson, and that works on the LP branch, not locally>
[21:46] <timour> ?
[21:46] <mwhudson> timour: well, all the data gets copied up ad down the pipe but yes
[21:46] <timour> I mean should I run this locally, inside my 5.3-subqueries root?
[21:48] <lifeless> mwhudson: which way around?
[21:49] <mwhudson> timour: doesn't matter
[21:50] <mwhudson> lifeless: if you use the upgrade button on the stacked-on branch first, then trying to upgrade the stacked branch the same way fails
[21:50] <mwhudson> i think
[21:50] <timour> mwhudson, ok, I started the process, let's see what happens.
[21:51] <lifeless> mwhudson: it shouldn't
[21:51] <lifeless> mwhudson: bzr doesn't care, and I'm pretty sure rockstar had tests for both ways around
[21:53] <mwhudson> lifeless: i agree it shouldn't
[21:55] <timour> mwhudson, lifeless: so now I started the upgrade process via the button, then via the command line at my box. I really wonder what the end result will be.
[21:56] <mwhudson> lifeless: looking at the code though, i wonder if upgrading any stacked branch would work, never mind the format problems :/.
[21:56] <mwhudson> timour: i don't think there will be any conflict
[21:57] <timour> mwhudson, ok, thanks for the help!
[21:57] <lifeless> :(
[21:58] <barry> i'm trying to get to my ppas through the lp api.  i seem to be able to get to one of them, but not the other.  that one gives a 404.  any ideas why?
[22:00] <barry> ah, nm.  positional argument fubar
[22:03] <lifeless> heh
[23:01] <mwhudson> timour: seems the upgrade worked, although the page isn't updated
[23:01] <mwhudson> timour: probably if you push a new revision up it will sort itself out
[23:02] <timour> mwhudson, yes, it's done, but I have nothing to push. I'll have to figure out some meaningful change.
[23:02] <mwhudson> timour: you could probably uncommit the most recent revision then push it again
[23:03] <timour> mwhudson, ok, will try that, thx.
[23:12] <timour> mwhudson, I merged from another branch and pushed. Let's see what happens. Thanks for the help! Time to sleep.
[23:13] <timour> mwhudson, it seems it worked this time.
[23:13] <mwhudson> timour: hooray
[23:13] <timour> :)
[23:32] <mtaylor> umm... I just got a key error with my ppa
[23:32] <mtaylor> did something change with signing keys?
[23:32] <mtaylor> The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 4FEC45DD06899068 Launchpad PPA for Drizzle-developers
[23:32] <mtaylor> or rather:
[23:32] <mtaylor> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 4FEC45DD06899068 Launchpad PPA for Drizzle-developers
[23:34] <thumper> mtaylor: we added the user code to check if it is you :)
[23:34] <thumper> mtaylor: launchpad now officially hates you
[23:34] <mtaylor> thumper: awesome
[23:34] <thumper> mtaylor: but no idea sorry
[23:34] <mtaylor> thumper: gah
[23:34] <mtaylor> thumper: it _was_ working earlier today
[23:34] <thumper> I don't know of any changes
[23:35] <thumper> not to that part anyway
[23:35] <mtaylor> so it's sort of disturbing for it to just, you know, not
[23:35] <wgrant> mtaylor: You're not behind an awesome transparent proxy? Which PPA URL are you using?
[23:35] <wgrant> It hasn't changed lately.
[23:35] <mtaylor> wgrant: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/drizzle-developers/ppa/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release
[23:35] <mtaylor> wgrant: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/drizzle-developers/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[23:35] <mtaylor> wgrant: I added it a while ago with add-apt-repository and I use it all the time
[23:36] <mtaylor> wgrant: and no - no proxy or any sort
[23:36] <soren> mtaylor: Works for me?
[23:36] <mtaylor> soren: gah
[23:36] <wgrant> Yeah, it's fine here too.
[23:36] <mtaylor> but did you guys already have keys associated with that PPA installed?
[23:37] <wgrant> I didn't.
[23:37] <soren> mtaylor: No, just did it for you now.
[23:37] <soren> wget -q -O - http://ppa.launchpad.net/drizzle-developers/ppa/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release | md5sum
[23:37] <soren> 32b3a6b4571f915be2a68b86e009879a  -
[23:37] <soren> wget -q -O - http://ppa.launchpad.net/drizzle-developers/ppa/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release.gpg | md5sum
[23:37] <soren> 0c4c8bed3a21ad3d96065c64d3a892c5  -
[23:37] <soren> You?
[23:37] <mtaylor> soren: the same
[23:37] <wgrant> mtaylor: If we had different keys, yours would complain about a missing key, not a bad sig.
[23:37] <mtaylor> ah
[23:38] <mtaylor> wgrant: ok. I just did an update from a different lucid machine that already had it and that one worked fine... so now - is my laptop just hosed
[23:38]  * mtaylor cries
[23:38] <wgrant> Eep.
[23:39] <soren> mtaylor: If you download the two and run "gpg --verify Release.gpg Release"... What then?
[23:40] <soren> Happy?
[23:40] <soren> Not so happy?
[23:40] <mtaylor> soren: Good signature from "Launchpad PPA for Drizzle-developers"
[23:40] <soren> "yay"
[23:41] <mtaylor> WEIRD
[23:41] <soren> "apt-get update" some more? :)
[23:42] <mtaylor> soren: I keep trying it