| summers | i would like to announce a new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots, all are welcome to join | 08:38 |
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| vish | kwwii: can you kick/ban ^ | 08:45 |
| kwwii | there, no need | 08:59 |
| vish | kwwii: yup , just got kicked kicked from freenode ,he was spamming a lot of ubuntu channels ;) | 09:00 |
| kwwii | stupid, really | 09:00 |
| thorwil | stupid and not one bit creative | 09:05 |
| vish | heh , seems he is part of a group that is targeting the -women team :/ | 09:07 |
| === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic | ||
| Cimi | iainfarrell: how is it going? :) | 16:37 |
| kwwii | Cimi: I think iainfarrell is really busy today, not sure if he is checking irc | 16:38 |
| kwwii | Cimi: hi, btw | 16:38 |
| kwwii | :-) | 16:38 |
| knome | kwwii, is there a day he ISN'T busy? | 16:38 |
| iainfarrell | kwwii: and Cimi I am here but yes very busy | 16:38 |
| iainfarrell | kwwii: flattery will get you everywhere | 16:38 |
| iainfarrell | Cimi: is it urgent or could it come to me via e-mail? | 16:38 |
| Cimi | iainfarrell: nothing urgent, just want to say hello :) | 16:38 |
| knome | me too! hi iainfarrell :) | 16:39 |
| iainfarrell | phew! hi to both Cimi and knome :) | 16:39 |
| kwwii | hehe | 16:39 |
| iainfarrell | apologies for not being more chatty of late | 16:39 |
| iainfarrell | the life of a project manager is fraught :) | 16:40 |
| knome | iainfarrell, no problem. you can always compensate for this later on, by offering us free beer, for example | 16:40 |
| Cimi | ahah | 16:40 |
| thorwil | everyone is very busy! where will that get me? | 16:40 |
| knome | grave, eventually | 16:41 |
| thorwil | knome: heh, thanks for cheering me up! though that "eventually" seems to indicate i could get that wrong! | 16:42 |
| knome | :D | 16:42 |
| knome | i'm not sure about the grave part, though, since people tend to get cremated as well | 16:42 |
| knome | but i'm sure you'll die one day. | 16:42 |
| * thorwil goes to have a woman treat parts of his body with scissors | 16:43 | |
| knome | (just make sure you die because of busyness, since otherwise i had made an another false statement) ;) | 16:43 |
| iainfarrell | knome: next time you're in London, it's a deal | 16:43 |
| kwwii | thorwil: you are scaring me | 16:43 |
| knome | iainfarrell, heh, okay :) so when does canonical invite us the next time? ;) | 16:44 |
| thorwil | kwwii: haircut ;) | 16:44 |
| iainfarrell | heh knome that's an excellent question | 16:44 |
| knome | no seriously, i'll get in touch if/when i most possibly get there next time | 16:44 |
| kwwii | thorwil: only if you are lucky | 16:45 |
| kwwii | it could all go horribly wrong | 16:45 |
| knome | kwwii, at least then he would die, and reach at least one goal | 16:45 |
| knome | kwwii, (didn't you see he was fearful about the fact he might go wrong in dying too, eh?) | 16:46 |
| kwwii | hehe | 16:46 |
| kwwii | sooo...if anyone wants to test the new theme engine with a new version of Ambiance, check out ppa:ken-vandine/dx-theme | 16:46 |
| * knome makes a not of that | 16:47 | |
| knome | *note | 16:47 |
| kwwii | I'll send an email around later with instructions, a list of changes, etc | 16:51 |
| kwwii | basically, a list of what Cimi and myself achieved last week :p | 16:51 |
| knome | heh | 16:51 |
| zniavre_ | ambiance is quite nice like that too (still do not like so much the big expander +/- | 17:31 |
| kwwii | zniavre_: the expander is currently too dark, need to lighten it up quite a bit | 18:11 |
| dashua | kwwii, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/74748/screenshot_P0G0jT.png | 19:03 |
| dashua | Haven't messed with the CSD stuff yet. Still on Lucid. | 19:04 |
| vish | holly *** , kenvandine's ppa has a lot of stuff! | 19:09 |
| dashua | Heya vish | 19:14 |
| vish | hey | 19:14 |
| dashua | How's things mate? | 19:15 |
| vish | hehe , i was about to say , "busy" and was fearful of thorwil ;p | 19:16 |
| dashua | Ha | 19:16 |
| zniavre_ | dashua, good evening , how did you get the network-manager into indicator-applet please? | 19:42 |
| dashua | Hey zniavre_, it's still in the notification area | 19:43 |
| zniavre_ | ho? ok ... | 19:44 |
| dashua | Yeah, I haven't test ConnMann yet. | 19:44 |
| zniavre_ | connmann ? | 19:44 |
| zniavre_ | there is a soft to use nm-applet into indicator thing? | 19:45 |
| dashua | The new connection manager to get it into the indicator applet | 19:45 |
| dashua | https://launchpad.net/indicator-network | 19:46 |
| dashua | vish, Better? | 19:46 |
| zniavre_ | thank you dashua | 19:47 |
| vish | dashua: yup , \o/ | 19:47 |
| dashua | zniavre_, https://launchpad.net/~indicator-network-developers/+archive/ppa | 19:48 |
| dashua | There's the PPA if you want to test it | 19:48 |
| dashua | vish, Nice | 19:48 |
| vish | dashua: hmm , eclipse breaks the patchbar on regular nautilus :( | 19:50 |
| dashua | ah damn | 19:51 |
| dashua | I'll try to fix it. Regular nautilus is ghastly to me now after using n-e | 19:52 |
| dashua | The breadcrumbs are probably fsk'ing it up | 19:53 |
| vish | dashua: afaik , it can be fixed the buttons are separate :/ | 19:53 |
| vish | cant* | 19:53 |
| dashua | Guess you will need two versions, which sucks. | 19:54 |
| dashua | =/ | 19:54 |
| zniavre | dashua, thank for ppa | 20:03 |
| zniavre | it looks ok but half working | 20:04 |
| vish | Cimi: kwwii: the focus for the button and combobox are different > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-The%20Widget%20Factory-1.png | 20:07 |
| vish | from ken's ppa^ | 20:08 |
| vish | oh the pleasures of using mainline kernels! , when i try to take screenshots , X crashes at some point after that! | 20:18 |
| vish | wow! the gtkrc and metacity are both merged :) | 20:37 |
| kwwii | dashua: actually, the purple is only for the server | 21:26 |
| dashua | Ah, nice looking though. | 21:42 |
| dashua | New colors are nice. | 21:43 |
| dashua | The circle expanders need some tweaking. | 21:44 |
| dashua | Just tried CSD on my other laptop and there are just grey blocks where the buttons go. | 21:45 |
| dashua | I think I'm going to scew this laptop up too. | 21:47 |
| * dashua upgrades | 21:47 | |
| kwwii | dashua: I think that is a bug | 21:48 |
| kwwii | ie. it happens to everyone | 21:49 |
| kwwii | the expanders need to be much lighter | 21:49 |
| dashua | Yeah, I enabled all 3 of the CSD options. Everything else works good. | 21:49 |
| dashua | The buttons works, just no the theme ones. | 21:50 |
| kwwii | right | 21:50 |
| dashua | The bg and selected bg are really nice. | 21:58 |
| kwwii | I made quite a few small changes which really effect lots of bits | 21:58 |
| kwwii | look at the radio buttons, that is one change in the engine | 21:59 |
| dashua | Oh didn't notice that | 21:59 |
| dashua | Solid focus is awesome | 22:00 |
| dashua | http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/74805/selection_008_hwkC99.png | 22:00 |
| kwwii | Cimi did some great work...I was amazed how fast it was | 22:01 |
| dashua | Yeah, good stuff | 22:01 |
| kwwii | dashua: note that I put the source of the buttons in the package as well | 22:05 |
| dashua | I hope this upgrade is not catastrophic. Seems ok on my other machine. | 22:05 |
| kwwii | the engine upgrade will not break anything | 22:05 |
| kwwii | but eventually I think there will be a fork in the engine | 22:05 |
| dashua | kwwii, Oh , I only saw some corrupted images. | 22:05 |
| dashua | Maybe it didn't pull right | 22:06 |
| kwwii | I haven't heard of any problems | 22:06 |
| dashua | Oh no, I mean a Maverick upgrade | 22:06 |
| kwwii | ahhh | 22:06 |
| Cimi | cimi can be even faster xD | 22:06 |
| dashua | I usually wait until alpha 2 or 3 but I'm bored. | 22:06 |
| kwwii | lol | 22:07 |
| kwwii | Cimi: there is a ppa with the todays snapshot and the new themes available | 22:07 |
| kwwii | it will go into maverick after a bit of testing | 22:07 |
| dashua | Well, that purple can be changed back to the black. Was just testing some things | 22:07 |
| dashua | Cimi, Hey mate | 22:07 |
| kwwii | dashua: you should make the dark-dark variant a seperate theme | 22:08 |
| dashua | I did | 22:08 |
| kwwii | dashua: we also wanted to make a very light theme as well | 22:08 |
| kwwii | cool | 22:08 |
| dashua | i renamed it | 22:08 |
| kwwii | excellent | 22:08 |
| dashua | Ambiance-Dark was confusing and for testing | 22:08 |
| kwwii | I started a version a long time ago called dark-dark | 22:08 |
| kwwii | lol | 22:08 |
| Cimi | kwwii: ivanka told me she would have contacted me on tuesday | 22:08 |
| kwwii | at first the themes were simply dark and light | 22:08 |
| kwwii | until we named them | 22:08 |
| dashua | I called it Eclipse. | 22:08 |
| Cimi | but I did not received any mail yet | 22:08 |
| kwwii | Cimi: ok, no worries on that front...she was *really* busy today | 22:09 |
| kwwii | Cimi: I will contact her tomorrow and get the current status | 22:09 |
| kwwii | Cimi: I'll call her while she is on the train :-) | 22:09 |
| dashua | kwwii, Lighter than Radiance? | 22:10 |
| Cimi | kwwii: just because I'd like to know the plans | 22:10 |
| kwwii | dashua: yeah, a nearly white theme | 22:11 |
| dashua | Oh nice | 22:11 |
| kwwii | dashua: I am going to make Radiance more grey, no yellow/brown in it | 22:11 |
| dashua | Radiance will evolve and a new lighter theme? | 22:11 |
| dashua | Cool | 22:11 |
| kwwii | the idea is to have a really dark theme, ambiance and radiance, and a really light theme | 22:12 |
| dashua | ah nice | 22:12 |
| kwwii | the nice thing about working on the dark and light themes is that you'd have a lot more freedom to work on it | 22:13 |
| vish | kwwii: the tabs look nice in -csd | 22:13 |
| kwwii | vish: the tabs in that should be the same as in the normal ambiance theme | 22:14 |
| kwwii | vish: hi, btw | 22:14 |
| vish | hmm , weird , then i have had an old version of the ambiance , the tabs were flat | 22:14 |
| vish | kwwii: now they are nice and curved | 22:15 |
| kwwii | vish: only the inactive ones have a slight gradient | 22:15 |
| vish | kwwii: yeah , that was what i was mentioning :) | 22:15 |
| vish | heh, i was looking at the radio checkmarks and wondering if it was new ;) | 22:16 |
| kwwii | indeed that is all new | 22:17 |
| kwwii | as well as the button highlight states | 22:17 |
| kwwii | all the new colours | 22:17 |
| dashua | Cimi is a hacking madman. | 22:17 |
| kwwii | the gripper is now visible | 22:17 |
| vish | kwwii: did you check the button highlight? screenshot i posted above? the combobox and button active are a bit different | 22:18 |
| kwwii | vish: yeah, I saw that and I agree that they look different | 22:18 |
| kwwii | not sure why | 22:18 |
| kwwii | Cimi: ^ ? | 22:18 |
| vish | kwwii: the combobox active looks better :) | 22:18 |
| dashua | Cimi, kwwii, The murrine fork is for Ubuntu specific changes, right? | 22:19 |
| kwwii | dashua: no, it is for anyone | 22:20 |
| dashua | Cool | 22:20 |
| kwwii | dashua: we simply suggested some ideas...Cimi did not implement some of our crack :-) | 22:20 |
| vish | Cimi: looks like the combobox active is drawn below/behind the button and for the buttons it is drawn within the button | 22:20 |
| dashua | Hehe | 22:20 |
| kwwii | he always has to keep his existing userbase in mind | 22:20 |
| vish | kwwii: hmm , 4 themes by default ? ooh | 22:20 |
| kwwii | vish: it might very well be a problem with the way gtk draws the widget | 22:21 |
| vish | yeah | 22:21 |
| vish | lets switch to KDE ;p | 22:23 |
| kwwii | I still use kde as well :-) | 22:23 |
| vish | double agent! | 22:23 |
| kwwii | 7 years working on kde versus 5 on gnome | 22:23 |
| vish | kwwii: which do you like for theming? | 22:24 |
| vish | or prefer.. | 22:24 |
| kwwii | gnome is easier for a non-techie to theme but kde is much more powerful and precise | 22:24 |
| vish | yeah .. :s | 22:25 |
| kwwii | not kde but qt itself | 22:25 |
| kwwii | although plasma is amazing | 22:26 |
| kwwii | super simple to theme | 22:26 |
| kwwii | better than gnome | 22:26 |
| kwwii | I must admit I have not tried to theme gnome3's shell | 22:26 |
| vish | gets dizzy if you use it for a while ;) | 22:27 |
| vish | and then theming it will be even tougher | 22:29 |
| kwwii | hehe | 22:31 |
| kwwii | try to theme unity | 22:31 |
| kwwii | :P | 22:31 |
| zniavre | can you theme this new expander ? | 22:32 |
| kwwii | zniavre: yes, as you always could | 22:32 |
| Cimi | here I am | 22:32 |
| zniavre | it did not change the desktop | 22:33 |
| kwwii | zniavre: not sure I understand | 22:33 |
| zniavre | http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1473/capturexbr.png > twf ok , the rest no | 22:34 |
| kwwii | zniavre: what is the "no" in that? I do not understand | 22:35 |
| * dashua reboots | 22:35 | |
| kwwii | zniavre: after updating the theme engine you need to restart every app to apply the changes | 22:35 |
| kwwii | so log out and back in | 22:36 |
| zniavre | ok | 22:36 |
| zniavre | same ... : o( i did something wrong for sure but when and where | 22:39 |
| dashua | Relatively painless, for now ;) | 22:39 |
| kwwii | zniavre: what is the problem? | 22:40 |
| Cimi | kwwii: can I share the mockup (the button s) with cairo devs? :) | 22:40 |
| kwwii | zniavre: I still do not understand what the problem is | 22:40 |
| Cimi | just to know if they have ideas in how to implement the blur | 22:40 |
| kwwii | Cimi: certainly, everything is open now | 22:41 |
| kwwii | no more secrets from canonicals side | 22:41 |
| vish | nooooooo! | 22:41 |
| kwwii | we just needed to keep the original work a secret until we could develop the first version | 22:41 |
| vish | kwwii: where/how will we get controversies :( | 22:41 |
| vish | ;p | 22:42 |
| kwwii | lol | 22:42 |
| * vish waiting for a murrine fork \o/ | 22:44 | |
| dashua | kwwii, The buttons you mention should be in the src directory? | 22:44 |
| kwwii | vish: the best way to make that happen would be to suggest lots of ideas for improvement | 22:44 |
| kwwii | I already have my list :-) | 22:45 |
| kwwii | dashua: yes, indeed | 22:45 |
| dashua | Hrm | 22:45 |
| dashua | I have two images and they seem corrupt | 22:45 |
| kwwii | ouch | 22:45 |
| kwwii | it should be two svgs | 22:45 |
| vish | ooh , open to new ideas , even better :) | 22:45 |
| kwwii | one with the lucid state and one with maverick ideas | 22:46 |
| dashua | Ah disregard | 22:46 |
| dashua | They open fine in Inkscape | 22:46 |
| zniavre | kwwii, sorry for my bad english | 22:46 |
| kwwii | zniavre: no worries, I just want to understand | 22:47 |
| vish | dashua: which buttons? | 22:47 |
| kwwii | dashua: indeed, they are svg's | 22:47 |
| Cimi | kwwii: and give cimi a lot of money would be good too :P | 22:47 |
| vish | i see only png , from the ppa | 22:47 |
| kwwii | Cimi: hehe, indeed! | 22:47 |
| zniavre | the problem is i made some change in gtkrc for expander it works with twf but not in nautilus(elementary) rhythmbox and xchat im looking for what i did wrong | 22:48 |
| kwwii | vish: in the src dir in the source of the package? | 22:48 |
| vish | hmm , i dont think i have the src | 22:48 |
| kwwii | vish: then you do not have the latest stuff | 22:49 |
| kwwii | it is definitely in the source | 22:49 |
| kwwii | although I have already updated things they are the versions of what is now included with the latest update | 22:50 |
| kwwii | more changes coming soon | 22:50 |
| kwwii | well, am off work until monday | 22:50 |
| vish | kwwii: ken'ppa or a different one? | 22:50 |
| kwwii | vish: kenvandine'S ppa | 22:50 |
| kwwii | I will include a newer snapshot in my ppa sometime soon | 22:51 |
| kwwii | but maybe not until monday | 22:51 |
| kwwii | zniavre: I honestly do not know why that would be a problem | 22:51 |
| kwwii | zniavre: just remember to restart all apps after updating the engine | 22:52 |
| kwwii | and re-select the theme in the appearance dialog | 22:52 |
| kwwii | sometimes it helps to log out and back in | 22:52 |
| kwwii | or "killall nautilus && nautilus" | 22:53 |
| kwwii | then again, I think nautilus will respawn | 23:00 |
| kwwii | but anyway | 23:01 |
| zniavre | thank you | 23:01 |
| zniavre | i did that already | 23:01 |
| kwwii | hrm, what is the exact problem? | 23:02 |
| kwwii | I cannot see what you mean | 23:02 |
| kwwii | or at least, I have not noticed it in the pic you suggested | 23:02 |
| zniavre | sorry i do not want to disturb all of you more with my silly stuff | 23:03 |
| kwwii | zniavre: it is not silly stuff | 23:06 |
| kwwii | zniavre: don't worry, if I understand I will help | 23:06 |
| kwwii | if I can, that is | 23:07 |
| kwwii | :-) | 23:07 |
| kwwii | nobody here cares about language | 23:07 |
| zniavre | except me ... :o( | 23:07 |
| kwwii | lol | 23:07 |
| kwwii | I have spent 3 weeks in brussels trying to speak french | 23:07 |
| kwwii | trust me, I understand | 23:07 |
| kwwii | my accent is wonderful but I simply don't know enough words or vocabulary! | 23:08 |
| zniavre | so (maybe another question can help) why the gtkrc modifications can works with the widget factory (twf) and not with the desktop ? | 23:08 |
| kwwii | what is the difference? | 23:08 |
| kwwii | twf is not exactly perfect either | 23:09 |
| kwwii | the widget laboratory is somewhat better | 23:10 |
| kwwii | from my experience | 23:10 |
| knome | kwwii, where to get that? | 23:10 |
| kwwii | you really need to test things in their real state | 23:10 |
| kwwii | knome: there is a ppa | 23:10 |
| knome | there? | 23:10 |
| kwwii | launchpad is your friend | 23:10 |
| knome | no ppa's here | 23:10 |
| kwwii | lol | 23:10 |
| * knome even checked his pants | 23:11 | |
| zniavre | nautilus -q | 23:11 |
| zniavre | :o\ | 23:11 |
| kwwii | second google link: https://launchpad.net/twl | 23:11 |
| kwwii | -q? | 23:11 |
| zniavre | restart | 23:11 |
| kwwii | never heard of that | 23:11 |
| kwwii | ahhh | 23:11 |
| kwwii | zniavre: what are the problems you see? | 23:12 |
| kwwii | zniavre: I do not understand the problem | 23:12 |
| zniavre | i can 't see my change in my theme (only twf show the nex colors) | 23:12 |
| zniavre | new* | 23:13 |
| kwwii | sounds like gnome-settings-deamon died | 23:13 |
| kwwii | restart your desktop and it should be fixed | 23:13 |
| kwwii | or restart gnome-settings-deamon | 23:13 |
| zniavre | ok | 23:14 |
| knome | kwwii, cheers :P | 23:15 |
| kwwii | :-) | 23:16 |
| kwwii | my next suggestion is to get parasite | 23:16 |
| kwwii | a great gtk module | 23:16 |
| kwwii | for findind and special casing gtk stuff | 23:16 |
| zniavre | yep i tried it but it's ununderstandable for me | 23:17 |
| kwwii | it is indeed complex | 23:17 |
| kwwii | anyway | 23:17 |
| kwwii | time for sleep soon | 23:17 |
| zniavre | http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3489/capture1jm.png | 23:18 |
| kwwii | zniavre: yes, that is the new style | 23:19 |
| kwwii | what is the problem? | 23:19 |
| zniavre | the color | 23:19 |
| kwwii | ahhh | 23:19 |
| kwwii | now I see | 23:19 |
| kwwii | hrm, seems like a wierd bug | 23:20 |
| zniavre | ha! | 23:20 |
| zniavre | :o) | 23:20 |
| kwwii | Cimi: ^ see the problem in that screenshot? | 23:20 |
| kwwii | Cimi: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3489/capture1jm.png | 23:20 |
| kwwii | Cimi: any idea what that is? | 23:20 |
| * zniavre is happy he's a bit understandable | 23:28 | |
| Cimi | no | 23:28 |
| Cimi | it is using | 23:29 |
| Cimi | wait | 23:29 |
| Cimi | it is fg | 23:31 |
| zniavre | http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-95451 im using this strange color_set just to try | 23:42 |
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