[08:38] <summers> i would like to announce a new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots, all are welcome to join
[08:45] <vish> kwwii: can you kick/ban ^
[08:59] <kwwii> there, no need
[09:00] <vish> kwwii: yup , just got kicked kicked from freenode ,he was spamming a lot of ubuntu channels ;)
[09:00] <kwwii> stupid, really
[09:05] <thorwil> stupid and not one bit creative
[09:07] <vish> heh , seems he is part of a group that is targeting the -women team  :/
[16:37] <Cimi> iainfarrell: how is it going? :)
[16:38] <kwwii> Cimi: I think iainfarrell is really busy today, not sure if he is checking irc
[16:38] <kwwii> Cimi: hi, btw
[16:38] <kwwii> :-)
[16:38] <knome> kwwii, is there a day he ISN'T busy?
[16:38] <iainfarrell> kwwii:  and Cimi I am here but yes very busy
[16:38] <iainfarrell> kwwii: flattery will get you everywhere
[16:38] <iainfarrell> Cimi: is it urgent or could it come to me via e-mail?
[16:38] <Cimi> iainfarrell: nothing urgent, just want to say hello :)
[16:39] <knome> me too! hi iainfarrell :)
[16:39] <iainfarrell> phew! hi to both Cimi and knome :)
[16:39] <kwwii> hehe
[16:39] <iainfarrell> apologies for not being more chatty of late
[16:40] <iainfarrell> the life of a project manager is fraught :)
[16:40] <knome> iainfarrell, no problem. you can always compensate for this later on, by offering us free beer, for example
[16:40] <Cimi> ahah
[16:40] <thorwil> everyone is very busy! where will that get me?
[16:41] <knome> grave, eventually
[16:42] <thorwil> knome: heh, thanks for cheering me up! though that "eventually" seems to indicate i could get that wrong!
[16:42] <knome> :D
[16:42] <knome> i'm not sure about the grave part, though, since people tend to get cremated as well
[16:42] <knome> but i'm sure you'll die one day.
[16:43]  * thorwil goes to have a woman treat parts of his body with scissors
[16:43] <knome> (just make sure you die because of busyness, since otherwise i had made an another false statement) ;)
[16:43] <iainfarrell> knome: next time you're in London, it's a deal
[16:43] <kwwii> thorwil: you are scaring me
[16:44] <knome> iainfarrell, heh, okay :) so when does canonical invite us the next time? ;)
[16:44] <thorwil> kwwii: haircut ;)
[16:44] <iainfarrell> heh knome that's an excellent question
[16:44] <knome> no seriously, i'll get in touch if/when i most possibly get there next time
[16:45] <kwwii> thorwil: only if you are lucky
[16:45] <kwwii> it could all go horribly wrong
[16:45] <knome> kwwii, at least then he would die, and reach at least one goal
[16:46] <knome> kwwii, (didn't you see he was fearful about the fact he might go wrong in dying too, eh?)
[16:46] <kwwii> hehe
[16:46] <kwwii> sooo...if anyone wants to test the new theme engine with a new version of Ambiance, check out ppa:ken-vandine/dx-theme
[16:47]  * knome makes a not of that
[16:47] <knome> *note
[16:51] <kwwii> I'll send an email around later with instructions, a list of changes, etc
[16:51] <kwwii> basically, a list of what Cimi and myself achieved last week :p
[16:51] <knome> heh
[17:31] <zniavre_> ambiance is quite nice like that too (still do not like so much the big expander +/-
[18:11] <kwwii> zniavre_: the expander is currently too dark, need to lighten it up quite a bit
[19:03] <dashua> kwwii, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/74748/screenshot_P0G0jT.png
[19:04] <dashua> Haven't messed with the CSD stuff yet.  Still on Lucid.
[19:09] <vish> holly *** , kenvandine's ppa has a lot of stuff!
[19:14] <dashua> Heya vish
[19:14] <vish> hey
[19:15] <dashua> How's things mate?
[19:16] <vish> hehe , i was about to say , "busy" and was fearful of thorwil ;p
[19:16] <dashua> Ha
[19:42] <zniavre_> dashua, good evening , how did you get the network-manager into indicator-applet please?
[19:43] <dashua> Hey zniavre_, it's still in the notification area
[19:44] <zniavre_> ho?  ok ...
[19:44] <dashua> Yeah, I haven't test ConnMann yet.
[19:44] <zniavre_> connmann ?
[19:45] <zniavre_> there is a soft to use nm-applet into indicator thing?
[19:45] <dashua> The new connection manager to get it into the indicator applet
[19:46] <dashua> https://launchpad.net/indicator-network
[19:46] <dashua> vish, Better?
[19:47] <zniavre_> thank you dashua
[19:47] <vish> dashua: yup , \o/
[19:48] <dashua> zniavre_, https://launchpad.net/~indicator-network-developers/+archive/ppa
[19:48] <dashua> There's the PPA if you want to test it
[19:48] <dashua> vish, Nice
[19:50] <vish> dashua: hmm , eclipse breaks the patchbar on regular nautilus :(
[19:51] <dashua> ah damn
[19:52] <dashua> I'll try to fix it.  Regular nautilus is ghastly to me now after using n-e
[19:53] <dashua> The breadcrumbs are probably fsk'ing it up
[19:53] <vish> dashua: afaik ,  it can be fixed the buttons are separate :/
[19:53] <vish> cant*
[19:54] <dashua> Guess you will need two versions, which sucks.
[19:54] <dashua> =/
[20:03] <zniavre> dashua,  thank for ppa
[20:04] <zniavre> it looks ok but half working
[20:07] <vish> Cimi: kwwii: the focus for the button and combobox are different > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-The%20Widget%20Factory-1.png
[20:08] <vish> from ken's ppa^
[20:18] <vish> oh the pleasures of using mainline kernels! , when i try to take screenshots , X crashes at some point after that!
[20:37] <vish> wow! the gtkrc and metacity are both merged :)
[21:26] <kwwii> dashua: actually, the purple is only for the server
[21:42] <dashua> Ah, nice looking though.
[21:43] <dashua> New colors are nice.
[21:44] <dashua> The circle expanders need some tweaking.
[21:45] <dashua> Just tried CSD on my other laptop and there are just grey blocks where the buttons go.
[21:47] <dashua> I think I'm going to scew this laptop up too.
[21:47]  * dashua upgrades
[21:48] <kwwii> dashua: I think that is a bug
[21:49] <kwwii> ie. it happens to everyone
[21:49] <kwwii> the expanders need to be much lighter
[21:49] <dashua> Yeah, I enabled all 3 of the CSD options.  Everything else works good.
[21:50] <dashua> The buttons works, just no the theme ones.
[21:50] <kwwii> right
[21:58] <dashua> The bg and selected bg are really nice.
[21:58] <kwwii> I made quite a few small changes which really effect lots of bits
[21:59] <kwwii> look at the radio buttons, that is one change in the engine
[21:59] <dashua> Oh didn't notice that
[22:00] <dashua> Solid focus is awesome
[22:00] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/74805/selection_008_hwkC99.png
[22:01] <kwwii> Cimi did some great work...I was amazed how fast it was
[22:01] <dashua> Yeah, good stuff
[22:05] <kwwii> dashua: note that I put the source of the buttons in the package as well
[22:05] <dashua> I hope this upgrade is not catastrophic.  Seems ok on my other machine.
[22:05] <kwwii> the engine upgrade will not break anything
[22:05] <kwwii> but eventually I think there will be a fork in the engine
[22:05] <dashua> kwwii, Oh , I only saw some corrupted images.
[22:06] <dashua> Maybe it didn't pull right
[22:06] <kwwii> I haven't heard of any problems
[22:06] <dashua> Oh no, I mean a Maverick upgrade
[22:06] <kwwii> ahhh
[22:06] <Cimi> cimi can be even faster xD
[22:06] <dashua> I usually wait until alpha 2 or 3 but I'm bored.
[22:07] <kwwii> lol
[22:07] <kwwii> Cimi: there is a ppa with the todays snapshot and the new themes available
[22:07] <kwwii> it will go into maverick after a bit of testing
[22:07] <dashua> Well, that purple can be changed back to the black.  Was just testing some things
[22:07] <dashua> Cimi, Hey mate
[22:08] <kwwii> dashua: you should make the dark-dark variant a seperate theme
[22:08] <dashua> I did
[22:08] <kwwii> dashua: we also wanted to make a very light theme as well
[22:08] <kwwii> cool
[22:08] <dashua> i renamed it
[22:08] <kwwii> excellent
[22:08] <dashua> Ambiance-Dark was confusing and for testing
[22:08] <kwwii> I started a version a long time ago called dark-dark
[22:08] <kwwii> lol
[22:08] <Cimi> kwwii: ivanka told me she would have contacted me on tuesday
[22:08] <kwwii> at first the themes were simply dark and light
[22:08] <kwwii> until we named them
[22:08] <dashua> I called it Eclipse.
[22:08] <Cimi> but I did not received any mail yet
[22:09] <kwwii> Cimi: ok, no worries on that front...she was *really* busy today
[22:09] <kwwii> Cimi: I will contact her tomorrow and get the current status
[22:09] <kwwii> Cimi: I'll call her while she is on the train :-)
[22:10] <dashua> kwwii, Lighter than Radiance?
[22:10] <Cimi> kwwii: just because I'd like to know the plans
[22:11] <kwwii> dashua: yeah, a nearly white theme
[22:11] <dashua> Oh nice
[22:11] <kwwii> dashua: I am going to make Radiance more grey, no yellow/brown in it
[22:11] <dashua> Radiance will evolve and a new lighter theme?
[22:11] <dashua> Cool
[22:12] <kwwii> the idea is to have a really dark theme, ambiance and radiance, and a really light theme
[22:12] <dashua> ah nice
[22:13] <kwwii> the nice thing about working on the dark and light themes is that you'd have a lot more freedom to work on it
[22:13] <vish> kwwii: the tabs look nice in -csd
[22:14] <kwwii> vish: the tabs in that should be the same as in the normal ambiance theme
[22:14] <kwwii> vish: hi, btw
[22:14] <vish> hmm , weird , then i have had an old version of the ambiance , the tabs were flat
[22:15] <vish> kwwii: now they are nice and curved
[22:15] <kwwii> vish: only the inactive ones have a slight gradient
[22:15] <vish> kwwii: yeah , that was what i was mentioning  :)
[22:16] <vish> heh, i was looking at the radio checkmarks and wondering if it was new ;)
[22:17] <kwwii> indeed that is all new
[22:17] <kwwii> as well as the button highlight states
[22:17] <kwwii> all the new colours
[22:17] <dashua> Cimi is a hacking madman.
[22:17] <kwwii> the gripper is now visible
[22:18] <vish> kwwii: did you check the button highlight? screenshot i posted above? the combobox and button active are a bit different
[22:18] <kwwii> vish: yeah, I saw that and I agree that they look different
[22:18] <kwwii> not sure why
[22:18] <kwwii> Cimi: ^ ?
[22:18] <vish> kwwii: the combobox active looks better :)
[22:19] <dashua> Cimi, kwwii, The murrine fork is for Ubuntu specific changes, right?
[22:20] <kwwii> dashua: no, it is for anyone
[22:20] <dashua> Cool
[22:20] <kwwii> dashua: we simply suggested some ideas...Cimi did not implement some of our crack :-)
[22:20] <vish> Cimi: looks like the combobox active is drawn below/behind the button and for the buttons it is drawn within the button
[22:20] <dashua> Hehe
[22:20] <kwwii> he always has to keep his existing userbase in mind
[22:20] <vish> kwwii: hmm , 4 themes by default ? ooh
[22:21] <kwwii> vish: it might very well be a problem with the way gtk draws the widget
[22:21] <vish> yeah
[22:23] <vish> lets switch to KDE ;p
[22:23] <kwwii> I still use kde as well :-)
[22:23] <vish> double agent!
[22:23] <kwwii> 7 years working on kde versus 5 on gnome
[22:24] <vish> kwwii: which do you like for theming?
[22:24] <vish> or prefer..
[22:24] <kwwii> gnome is easier for a non-techie to theme but kde is much more powerful and precise
[22:25] <vish> yeah .. :s
[22:25] <kwwii> not kde but qt itself
[22:26] <kwwii> although plasma is amazing
[22:26] <kwwii> super simple to theme
[22:26] <kwwii> better than gnome
[22:26] <kwwii> I must admit I have not tried to theme gnome3's shell
[22:27] <vish> gets dizzy if you use it for a while ;)
[22:29] <vish> and then theming it will be even tougher
[22:31] <kwwii> hehe
[22:31] <kwwii> try to theme unity
[22:31] <kwwii> :P
[22:32] <zniavre> can you theme this new expander ?
[22:32] <kwwii> zniavre: yes, as you always could
[22:32] <Cimi> here I am
[22:33] <zniavre> it did not change the desktop
[22:33] <kwwii> zniavre: not sure I understand
[22:34] <zniavre> http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1473/capturexbr.png  > twf ok , the rest no
[22:35] <kwwii> zniavre: what is the "no" in that? I do not understand
[22:35]  * dashua reboots 
[22:35] <kwwii> zniavre: after updating the theme engine you need to restart every app to apply the changes
[22:36] <kwwii> so log out and back in
[22:36] <zniavre> ok
[22:39] <zniavre> same ... : o( i did something wrong for sure but when and where
[22:39] <dashua> Relatively painless, for now ;)
[22:40] <kwwii> zniavre: what is the problem?
[22:40] <Cimi> kwwii: can I share the mockup (the button s) with cairo devs? :)
[22:40] <kwwii> zniavre: I still do not understand what the problem is
[22:40] <Cimi> just to know if they have ideas in how to implement the blur
[22:41] <kwwii> Cimi: certainly, everything is open now
[22:41] <kwwii> no more secrets from canonicals side
[22:41] <vish> nooooooo!
[22:41] <kwwii> we just needed to keep the original work a secret until we could develop the first version
[22:41] <vish> kwwii:  where/how will we get controversies  :(
[22:42] <vish> ;p
[22:42] <kwwii> lol
[22:44]  * vish waiting for a murrine fork \o/
[22:44] <dashua> kwwii, The buttons you mention should be in the src directory?
[22:44] <kwwii> vish: the best way to make that happen would be to suggest lots of ideas for improvement
[22:45] <kwwii> I already have my list :-)
[22:45] <kwwii> dashua: yes, indeed
[22:45] <dashua> Hrm
[22:45] <dashua> I have two images and they seem corrupt
[22:45] <kwwii> ouch
[22:45] <kwwii> it should be two svgs
[22:45] <vish> ooh , open to new ideas , even better :)
[22:46] <kwwii> one with the lucid state and one with maverick ideas
[22:46] <dashua> Ah disregard
[22:46] <dashua> They open fine in Inkscape
[22:46] <zniavre> kwwii, sorry for my bad english
[22:47] <kwwii> zniavre: no worries, I just want to understand
[22:47] <vish> dashua: which buttons?
[22:47] <kwwii> dashua: indeed, they are svg's
[22:47] <Cimi> kwwii: and give cimi a lot of money would be good too :P
[22:47] <vish> i see only png , from the ppa
[22:47] <kwwii> Cimi: hehe, indeed!
[22:48] <zniavre> the problem is i made some change in gtkrc for expander it works with twf but not in nautilus(elementary) rhythmbox and xchat im looking for what i did wrong
[22:48] <kwwii> vish: in the src dir in the source of the package?
[22:48] <vish> hmm , i dont think i have the src
[22:49] <kwwii> vish: then you do not have the latest stuff
[22:49] <kwwii> it is definitely in the source
[22:50] <kwwii> although I have already updated things they are the versions of what is now included with the latest update
[22:50] <kwwii> more changes coming soon
[22:50] <kwwii> well, am off work until monday
[22:50] <vish> kwwii: ken'ppa or a different one?
[22:50] <kwwii> vish: kenvandine'S ppa
[22:51] <kwwii> I will include a newer snapshot in my ppa sometime soon
[22:51] <kwwii> but maybe not until monday
[22:51] <kwwii> zniavre: I honestly do not know why that would be a problem
[22:52] <kwwii> zniavre: just remember to restart all apps after updating the engine
[22:52] <kwwii> and re-select the theme in the appearance dialog
[22:52] <kwwii> sometimes it helps to log out and back in
[22:53] <kwwii> or "killall nautilus && nautilus"
[23:00] <kwwii> then again, I think nautilus will respawn
[23:01] <kwwii> but anyway
[23:01] <zniavre> thank you
[23:01] <zniavre> i did that already
[23:02] <kwwii> hrm, what is the exact problem?
[23:02] <kwwii> I cannot see what you mean
[23:02] <kwwii> or at least, I have not noticed it in the pic you suggested
[23:03] <zniavre> sorry i do not want to disturb all of you more with my silly stuff
[23:06] <kwwii> zniavre: it is not silly stuff
[23:06] <kwwii> zniavre: don't worry, if I understand I will help
[23:07] <kwwii> if I can, that is
[23:07] <kwwii> :-)
[23:07] <kwwii> nobody here cares about language
[23:07] <zniavre> except me ...  :o(
[23:07] <kwwii> lol
[23:07] <kwwii> I have spent 3 weeks in brussels trying to speak french
[23:07] <kwwii> trust me, I understand
[23:08] <kwwii> my accent is wonderful but I simply don't know enough words or vocabulary!
[23:08] <zniavre> so (maybe another question can help) why the gtkrc modifications can works with the widget factory (twf) and not with the desktop ?
[23:08] <kwwii> what is the difference?
[23:09] <kwwii> twf is not exactly perfect either
[23:10] <kwwii> the widget laboratory is somewhat better
[23:10] <kwwii> from my experience
[23:10] <knome> kwwii, where to get that?
[23:10] <kwwii> you really need to test things in their real state
[23:10] <kwwii> knome: there is a ppa
[23:10] <knome> there?
[23:10] <kwwii> launchpad is your friend
[23:10] <knome> no ppa's here
[23:10] <kwwii> lol
[23:11]  * knome even checked his pants
[23:11] <zniavre> nautilus -q
[23:11] <zniavre> :o\
[23:11] <kwwii> second google link: https://launchpad.net/twl
[23:11] <kwwii> -q?
[23:11] <zniavre> restart
[23:11] <kwwii> never heard of that
[23:11] <kwwii> ahhh
[23:12] <kwwii> zniavre: what are the problems you see?
[23:12] <kwwii> zniavre: I do not understand the problem
[23:12] <zniavre> i can 't see my change in my theme (only twf show the nex colors)
[23:13] <zniavre> new*
[23:13] <kwwii> sounds like gnome-settings-deamon died
[23:13] <kwwii> restart your desktop and it should be fixed
[23:13] <kwwii> or restart gnome-settings-deamon
[23:14] <zniavre> ok
[23:15] <knome> kwwii, cheers :P
[23:16] <kwwii> :-)
[23:16] <kwwii> my next suggestion is to get parasite
[23:16] <kwwii> a great gtk module
[23:16] <kwwii> for findind and special casing gtk stuff
[23:17] <zniavre> yep i tried it but it's ununderstandable for me
[23:17] <kwwii> it is indeed complex
[23:17] <kwwii> anyway
[23:17] <kwwii> time for sleep soon
[23:18] <zniavre> http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3489/capture1jm.png
[23:19] <kwwii> zniavre: yes, that is the new style
[23:19] <kwwii> what is the problem?
[23:19] <zniavre> the color
[23:19] <kwwii> ahhh
[23:19] <kwwii> now I see
[23:20] <kwwii> hrm, seems like a wierd bug
[23:20] <zniavre> ha!
[23:20] <zniavre> :o)
[23:20] <kwwii> Cimi: ^ see the problem in that screenshot?
[23:20] <kwwii> Cimi: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3489/capture1jm.png
[23:20] <kwwii> Cimi: any idea what that is?
[23:28]  * zniavre is happy he's a bit understandable
[23:28] <Cimi> no
[23:29] <Cimi> it is using
[23:29] <Cimi> wait
[23:31] <Cimi> it is fg
[23:42] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-95451  im using this strange color_set just to try