[08:38] i would like to announce a new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots, all are welcome to join [08:45] kwwii: can you kick/ban ^ [08:59] there, no need [09:00] kwwii: yup , just got kicked kicked from freenode ,he was spamming a lot of ubuntu channels ;) [09:00] stupid, really [09:05] stupid and not one bit creative [09:07] heh , seems he is part of a group that is targeting the -women team :/ === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [16:37] iainfarrell: how is it going? :) [16:38] Cimi: I think iainfarrell is really busy today, not sure if he is checking irc [16:38] Cimi: hi, btw [16:38] :-) [16:38] kwwii, is there a day he ISN'T busy? [16:38] kwwii: and Cimi I am here but yes very busy [16:38] kwwii: flattery will get you everywhere [16:38] Cimi: is it urgent or could it come to me via e-mail? [16:38] iainfarrell: nothing urgent, just want to say hello :) [16:39] me too! hi iainfarrell :) [16:39] phew! hi to both Cimi and knome :) [16:39] hehe [16:39] apologies for not being more chatty of late [16:40] the life of a project manager is fraught :) [16:40] iainfarrell, no problem. you can always compensate for this later on, by offering us free beer, for example [16:40] ahah [16:40] everyone is very busy! where will that get me? [16:41] grave, eventually [16:42] knome: heh, thanks for cheering me up! though that "eventually" seems to indicate i could get that wrong! [16:42] :D [16:42] i'm not sure about the grave part, though, since people tend to get cremated as well [16:42] but i'm sure you'll die one day. [16:43] * thorwil goes to have a woman treat parts of his body with scissors [16:43] (just make sure you die because of busyness, since otherwise i had made an another false statement) ;) [16:43] knome: next time you're in London, it's a deal [16:43] thorwil: you are scaring me [16:44] iainfarrell, heh, okay :) so when does canonical invite us the next time? ;) [16:44] kwwii: haircut ;) [16:44] heh knome that's an excellent question [16:44] no seriously, i'll get in touch if/when i most possibly get there next time [16:45] thorwil: only if you are lucky [16:45] it could all go horribly wrong [16:45] kwwii, at least then he would die, and reach at least one goal [16:46] kwwii, (didn't you see he was fearful about the fact he might go wrong in dying too, eh?) [16:46] hehe [16:46] sooo...if anyone wants to test the new theme engine with a new version of Ambiance, check out ppa:ken-vandine/dx-theme [16:47] * knome makes a not of that [16:47] *note [16:51] I'll send an email around later with instructions, a list of changes, etc [16:51] basically, a list of what Cimi and myself achieved last week :p [16:51] heh [17:31] ambiance is quite nice like that too (still do not like so much the big expander +/- [18:11] zniavre_: the expander is currently too dark, need to lighten it up quite a bit [19:03] kwwii, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/74748/screenshot_P0G0jT.png [19:04] Haven't messed with the CSD stuff yet. Still on Lucid. [19:09] holly *** , kenvandine's ppa has a lot of stuff! [19:14] Heya vish [19:14] hey [19:15] How's things mate? [19:16] hehe , i was about to say , "busy" and was fearful of thorwil ;p [19:16] Ha [19:42] dashua, good evening , how did you get the network-manager into indicator-applet please? [19:43] Hey zniavre_, it's still in the notification area [19:44] ho? ok ... [19:44] Yeah, I haven't test ConnMann yet. [19:44] connmann ? [19:45] there is a soft to use nm-applet into indicator thing? [19:45] The new connection manager to get it into the indicator applet [19:46] https://launchpad.net/indicator-network [19:46] vish, Better? [19:47] thank you dashua [19:47] dashua: yup , \o/ [19:48] zniavre_, https://launchpad.net/~indicator-network-developers/+archive/ppa [19:48] There's the PPA if you want to test it [19:48] vish, Nice [19:50] dashua: hmm , eclipse breaks the patchbar on regular nautilus :( [19:51] ah damn [19:52] I'll try to fix it. Regular nautilus is ghastly to me now after using n-e [19:53] The breadcrumbs are probably fsk'ing it up [19:53] dashua: afaik , it can be fixed the buttons are separate :/ [19:53] cant* [19:54] Guess you will need two versions, which sucks. [19:54] =/ [20:03] dashua, thank for ppa [20:04] it looks ok but half working [20:07] Cimi: kwwii: the focus for the button and combobox are different > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-The%20Widget%20Factory-1.png [20:08] from ken's ppa^ [20:18] oh the pleasures of using mainline kernels! , when i try to take screenshots , X crashes at some point after that! [20:37] wow! the gtkrc and metacity are both merged :) [21:26] dashua: actually, the purple is only for the server [21:42] Ah, nice looking though. [21:43] New colors are nice. [21:44] The circle expanders need some tweaking. [21:45] Just tried CSD on my other laptop and there are just grey blocks where the buttons go. [21:47] I think I'm going to scew this laptop up too. [21:47] * dashua upgrades [21:48] dashua: I think that is a bug [21:49] ie. it happens to everyone [21:49] the expanders need to be much lighter [21:49] Yeah, I enabled all 3 of the CSD options. Everything else works good. [21:50] The buttons works, just no the theme ones. [21:50] right [21:58] The bg and selected bg are really nice. [21:58] I made quite a few small changes which really effect lots of bits [21:59] look at the radio buttons, that is one change in the engine [21:59] Oh didn't notice that [22:00] Solid focus is awesome [22:00] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/74805/selection_008_hwkC99.png [22:01] Cimi did some great work...I was amazed how fast it was [22:01] Yeah, good stuff [22:05] dashua: note that I put the source of the buttons in the package as well [22:05] I hope this upgrade is not catastrophic. Seems ok on my other machine. [22:05] the engine upgrade will not break anything [22:05] but eventually I think there will be a fork in the engine [22:05] kwwii, Oh , I only saw some corrupted images. [22:06] Maybe it didn't pull right [22:06] I haven't heard of any problems [22:06] Oh no, I mean a Maverick upgrade [22:06] ahhh [22:06] cimi can be even faster xD [22:06] I usually wait until alpha 2 or 3 but I'm bored. [22:07] lol [22:07] Cimi: there is a ppa with the todays snapshot and the new themes available [22:07] it will go into maverick after a bit of testing [22:07] Well, that purple can be changed back to the black. Was just testing some things [22:07] Cimi, Hey mate [22:08] dashua: you should make the dark-dark variant a seperate theme [22:08] I did [22:08] dashua: we also wanted to make a very light theme as well [22:08] cool [22:08] i renamed it [22:08] excellent [22:08] Ambiance-Dark was confusing and for testing [22:08] I started a version a long time ago called dark-dark [22:08] lol [22:08] kwwii: ivanka told me she would have contacted me on tuesday [22:08] at first the themes were simply dark and light [22:08] until we named them [22:08] I called it Eclipse. [22:08] but I did not received any mail yet [22:09] Cimi: ok, no worries on that front...she was *really* busy today [22:09] Cimi: I will contact her tomorrow and get the current status [22:09] Cimi: I'll call her while she is on the train :-) [22:10] kwwii, Lighter than Radiance? [22:10] kwwii: just because I'd like to know the plans [22:11] dashua: yeah, a nearly white theme [22:11] Oh nice [22:11] dashua: I am going to make Radiance more grey, no yellow/brown in it [22:11] Radiance will evolve and a new lighter theme? [22:11] Cool [22:12] the idea is to have a really dark theme, ambiance and radiance, and a really light theme [22:12] ah nice [22:13] the nice thing about working on the dark and light themes is that you'd have a lot more freedom to work on it [22:13] kwwii: the tabs look nice in -csd [22:14] vish: the tabs in that should be the same as in the normal ambiance theme [22:14] vish: hi, btw [22:14] hmm , weird , then i have had an old version of the ambiance , the tabs were flat [22:15] kwwii: now they are nice and curved [22:15] vish: only the inactive ones have a slight gradient [22:15] kwwii: yeah , that was what i was mentioning :) [22:16] heh, i was looking at the radio checkmarks and wondering if it was new ;) [22:17] indeed that is all new [22:17] as well as the button highlight states [22:17] all the new colours [22:17] Cimi is a hacking madman. [22:17] the gripper is now visible [22:18] kwwii: did you check the button highlight? screenshot i posted above? the combobox and button active are a bit different [22:18] vish: yeah, I saw that and I agree that they look different [22:18] not sure why [22:18] Cimi: ^ ? [22:18] kwwii: the combobox active looks better :) [22:19] Cimi, kwwii, The murrine fork is for Ubuntu specific changes, right? [22:20] dashua: no, it is for anyone [22:20] Cool [22:20] dashua: we simply suggested some ideas...Cimi did not implement some of our crack :-) [22:20] Cimi: looks like the combobox active is drawn below/behind the button and for the buttons it is drawn within the button [22:20] Hehe [22:20] he always has to keep his existing userbase in mind [22:20] kwwii: hmm , 4 themes by default ? ooh [22:21] vish: it might very well be a problem with the way gtk draws the widget [22:21] yeah [22:23] lets switch to KDE ;p [22:23] I still use kde as well :-) [22:23] double agent! [22:23] 7 years working on kde versus 5 on gnome [22:24] kwwii: which do you like for theming? [22:24] or prefer.. [22:24] gnome is easier for a non-techie to theme but kde is much more powerful and precise [22:25] yeah .. :s [22:25] not kde but qt itself [22:26] although plasma is amazing [22:26] super simple to theme [22:26] better than gnome [22:26] I must admit I have not tried to theme gnome3's shell [22:27] gets dizzy if you use it for a while ;) [22:29] and then theming it will be even tougher [22:31] hehe [22:31] try to theme unity [22:31] :P [22:32] can you theme this new expander ? [22:32] zniavre: yes, as you always could [22:32] here I am [22:33] it did not change the desktop [22:33] zniavre: not sure I understand [22:34] http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1473/capturexbr.png > twf ok , the rest no [22:35] zniavre: what is the "no" in that? I do not understand [22:35] * dashua reboots [22:35] zniavre: after updating the theme engine you need to restart every app to apply the changes [22:36] so log out and back in [22:36] ok [22:39] same ... : o( i did something wrong for sure but when and where [22:39] Relatively painless, for now ;) [22:40] zniavre: what is the problem? [22:40] kwwii: can I share the mockup (the button s) with cairo devs? :) [22:40] zniavre: I still do not understand what the problem is [22:40] just to know if they have ideas in how to implement the blur [22:41] Cimi: certainly, everything is open now [22:41] no more secrets from canonicals side [22:41] nooooooo! [22:41] we just needed to keep the original work a secret until we could develop the first version [22:41] kwwii: where/how will we get controversies :( [22:42] ;p [22:42] lol [22:44] * vish waiting for a murrine fork \o/ [22:44] kwwii, The buttons you mention should be in the src directory? [22:44] vish: the best way to make that happen would be to suggest lots of ideas for improvement [22:45] I already have my list :-) [22:45] dashua: yes, indeed [22:45] Hrm [22:45] I have two images and they seem corrupt [22:45] ouch [22:45] it should be two svgs [22:45] ooh , open to new ideas , even better :) [22:46] one with the lucid state and one with maverick ideas [22:46] Ah disregard [22:46] They open fine in Inkscape [22:46] kwwii, sorry for my bad english [22:47] zniavre: no worries, I just want to understand [22:47] dashua: which buttons? [22:47] dashua: indeed, they are svg's [22:47] kwwii: and give cimi a lot of money would be good too :P [22:47] i see only png , from the ppa [22:47] Cimi: hehe, indeed! [22:48] the problem is i made some change in gtkrc for expander it works with twf but not in nautilus(elementary) rhythmbox and xchat im looking for what i did wrong [22:48] vish: in the src dir in the source of the package? [22:48] hmm , i dont think i have the src [22:49] vish: then you do not have the latest stuff [22:49] it is definitely in the source [22:50] although I have already updated things they are the versions of what is now included with the latest update [22:50] more changes coming soon [22:50] well, am off work until monday [22:50] kwwii: ken'ppa or a different one? [22:50] vish: kenvandine'S ppa [22:51] I will include a newer snapshot in my ppa sometime soon [22:51] but maybe not until monday [22:51] zniavre: I honestly do not know why that would be a problem [22:52] zniavre: just remember to restart all apps after updating the engine [22:52] and re-select the theme in the appearance dialog [22:52] sometimes it helps to log out and back in [22:53] or "killall nautilus && nautilus" [23:00] then again, I think nautilus will respawn [23:01] but anyway [23:01] thank you [23:01] i did that already [23:02] hrm, what is the exact problem? [23:02] I cannot see what you mean [23:02] or at least, I have not noticed it in the pic you suggested [23:03] sorry i do not want to disturb all of you more with my silly stuff [23:06] zniavre: it is not silly stuff [23:06] zniavre: don't worry, if I understand I will help [23:07] if I can, that is [23:07] :-) [23:07] nobody here cares about language [23:07] except me ... :o( [23:07] lol [23:07] I have spent 3 weeks in brussels trying to speak french [23:07] trust me, I understand [23:08] my accent is wonderful but I simply don't know enough words or vocabulary! [23:08] so (maybe another question can help) why the gtkrc modifications can works with the widget factory (twf) and not with the desktop ? [23:08] what is the difference? [23:09] twf is not exactly perfect either [23:10] the widget laboratory is somewhat better [23:10] from my experience [23:10] kwwii, where to get that? [23:10] you really need to test things in their real state [23:10] knome: there is a ppa [23:10] there? [23:10] launchpad is your friend [23:10] no ppa's here [23:10] lol [23:11] * knome even checked his pants [23:11] nautilus -q [23:11] :o\ [23:11] second google link: https://launchpad.net/twl [23:11] -q? [23:11] restart [23:11] never heard of that [23:11] ahhh [23:12] zniavre: what are the problems you see? [23:12] zniavre: I do not understand the problem [23:12] i can 't see my change in my theme (only twf show the nex colors) [23:13] new* [23:13] sounds like gnome-settings-deamon died [23:13] restart your desktop and it should be fixed [23:13] or restart gnome-settings-deamon [23:14] ok [23:15] kwwii, cheers :P [23:16] :-) [23:16] my next suggestion is to get parasite [23:16] a great gtk module [23:16] for findind and special casing gtk stuff [23:17] yep i tried it but it's ununderstandable for me [23:17] it is indeed complex [23:17] anyway [23:17] time for sleep soon [23:18] http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3489/capture1jm.png [23:19] zniavre: yes, that is the new style [23:19] what is the problem? [23:19] the color [23:19] ahhh [23:19] now I see [23:20] hrm, seems like a wierd bug [23:20] ha! [23:20] :o) [23:20] Cimi: ^ see the problem in that screenshot? [23:20] Cimi: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3489/capture1jm.png [23:20] Cimi: any idea what that is? [23:28] * zniavre is happy he's a bit understandable [23:28] no [23:29] it is using [23:29] wait [23:31] it is fg [23:42] http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-95451 im using this strange color_set just to try