[07:15] <dholbach> good morning
[07:29] <ara> good morning dholbach :)
[07:29] <dholbach> hola ara!
[07:29] <dholbach> ¿como estas? :)
[07:29] <jussi> sigh, who made mornings...
[07:30] <doctormo> jussi: Nature's Spite
[07:31] <ara> dholbach, estoy bien, gracias, y tú?
[07:32] <dholbach> ara: bien tambien, gracias :)
[07:32] <dholbach> hi doctormo, hi jussi
[07:33] <jussi> good morning dholbach
[07:41]  * dholbach gives jcastro a big
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[08:20] <dholbach> hola dpm!
[08:21] <dpm> hey dholbach :)
[08:21] <dpm> morning all
[08:47] <ara> morning dpm
[08:56] <dpm> hola ara :)
[09:28] <dholbach> hola randa_
[09:28] <randa_> morning guys
[10:11] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:17] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[10:17] <czajkowski> dholbach: ello there :)
[10:26] <bencrisford> morning czajkowski
[10:27] <nigelbabu> bencrisford: Afternoon :)
[10:27] <bencrisford> nigelbabu: is it really :(?  I should still be in bed
[10:28] <nigelbabu> bencrisford: Around 3 pm here.
[10:29] <bencrisford> nigelbabu: 10am over here :/, well closer to half past
[10:29] <nigelbabu> bencrisford: and you're still in bed?
[10:29] <bencrisford> nigelbabu: I've got a week off school :D its allowed
[10:30] <AlanBell> nigelbabu: is it 15:30 or are you in one of those half hour timezones?
[10:30] <bencrisford> haven't had my coffee yet, brb :P
[10:30] <nigelbabu> I'm in one of those half hour ones
[10:30] <AlanBell> interesting
[10:32] <nigelbabu> AlanBell: which part?
[10:32] <czajkowski> how is it half term for school, all ours are finishing up this week over here for summer
[10:33] <bencrisford> czajkowski: really? :o, i've got another term
[10:33] <nigelbabu> Schools here just opened today.  1st June.
[10:33] <bencrisford> 7 weeks or something?
[10:33] <bencrisford> I didn't realise it was so different everywhere else
[10:33] <czajkowski> yup all secondary schools finish up this friday and then the leaving and jnr certs two offical exams in ireland start for month of June
[10:33] <AlanBell> nigelbabu: I was always a little curious about those half hour offset timezones, can't quite see the benefit and I can imagine it being a bit confusing
[10:36] <nigelbabu> AlanBell: makes sense for us I think
[10:38] <AlanBell> I found out about them when writing some software that schedules meetings. I was not impressed :-)
[10:39] <nigelbabu> Haha.  Yeah, frustrating in that sense.
[11:14] <nigelbabu> AlanBell: The worst part about half hour ones is figuring out meeting times.  Goes crazy when DST turns off and on.
[11:28] <dholbach> ara: thought you might be interested in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/585824 - maybe we can convince mvo together to implement it :)
[11:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585824 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "When removing a PPA, offer to downgrade to "archive versions" (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[11:29] <ara> dholbach, you read too many wiki updates emails ;-)
[11:29] <dholbach> ara: no, it was just coincidence
[11:29] <dholbach> normally I almost don't :)
[11:29] <popey> it does make me smile whenever i see your nick when i edit a wiki page
[11:30] <dholbach> popey: so my wiki subscription definitely serves a purpose :)
[11:30] <ara> dholbach, but it was indeed a coincidence that only 5 days ago you wanted the exact same thing ;-)
[11:30]  * ara hugs dholbach
[11:30] <dholbach> ara: it's for the daily builds spec :)
[11:30]  * dholbach hugs ara back
[11:30] <ara> I subscribed to the bug :)
[11:31] <dholbach> now we need to pester mvo :)
[11:40] <nigelbabu> ah, pester mvo - sounds like fun!
[11:41] <jussi> oooh, pestering someone... can I join in? :D
[11:46] <nigelbabu> oh, jussi! Heya
[13:14] <czajkowski> http://www.opensourceuni.com/ have folks seen this
[13:25] <bencrisford> czajkowski: no, but it looks exciting!
[13:33] <jussi> that is cool!
[14:55] <nhandler> dholbach: Do you know someone who might be able to help me get ClassBot modified to support translations? It is a Perl script, which makes it a bit more challenging
[14:56] <dholbach> nhandler: I'd write a minispec or at least a bunch of todo items on a wiki page and write a blog entry and microblog about it
[14:56] <dholbach> nhandler: offhand I don't know, sorry :/
[14:57] <nhandler> dholbach: Alright. We had something like that when we were in heavy development mode to track the features we needed to implement. I'll continue poking around I guess
[14:58] <dholbach> I found it important to have all the TODO items neatly documented (bug reports, etc.) so people can easily help out
[14:59] <dpm> nhandler, http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#Perl In the hello world package -> "An example is available in the examples  directory: hello-perl" I think that could help
[15:01] <nhandler> dpm: Awesome. I saw that page, but did not notice the Perl section (or the example). That is exactly what I needed.
[15:01] <dpm> :)
[15:05] <czajkowski> jcastro: *hugs* congrats
[15:05] <czajkowski> jcastro: very cute tweet
[15:06] <jcastro> czajkowski: hi!
[15:06] <jcastro> and thanks!
[15:07]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
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[15:10] <jussi> ...
[15:11] <czajkowski> jussi: dont start being all cranky
[15:11] <popey> \o/ dots
[15:11] <jussi> czajkowski: Imalways cranky at you, didnt you know?
[15:13] <czajkowski> jussi: *yawn*
[15:20] <ara> jcastro, congratulations!
[15:20] <maco> jcastro: \o/
[15:30] <jussi> jcastro: congrats :D
[15:31] <jcastro> thanks!
[15:39] <nigelb> jcastro: heya! Congrats mate!
[15:44] <Pendulum> jcastro: congrats!
[15:51] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:51] <dholbach> jono: how are you doing?
[15:52] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:52] <jono> good thanks, you?
[15:52] <dholbach> good good
[15:52] <jono> :)
[15:54] <czajkowski> jono: nice shotofjaq
[15:54] <jono> thanks czajkowski :)
[15:54] <jono> dpm, good to go in 5?
[15:54] <czajkowski> jono: I had it up on the scartch pad as a topic :D
[15:54] <jono> :)
[15:54] <jono> ahhhh cool
[15:55] <czajkowski> jono: could you tweet/promote https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamsBestPracticesandGuidelines please
[15:55] <jono> we are going to do a series of perfect 10 segments
[15:55] <jono> sure
[15:55] <dpm> hey jono, yes!
[15:56] <czajkowski> jono: thanks, we've mailed -loco contacts list, but not everyone reads that, where as they do follow you
[15:56] <jono> czajkowski, done
[15:56] <jono> dpm, :)
[15:56] <czajkowski> jono: you're handy to have around :p
[15:57] <jono> czajkowski, lol
[15:58] <jono> czajkowski, would be great if you could spread the word about SOJ :)
[15:58] <jono> I want to raise it's profile some more
[15:58] <jono> get more people involved
[15:59] <czajkowski> jono: I do I rt ye everytime ye post
[16:00] <jono> thanks czajkowski
[16:00] <jono> maybe a blog entry could be good ;-)
[16:00] <jono> lol
[16:00] <jono> whatever you have time for :)
[16:00] <czajkowski> jono: I get the sneaking suspicion I've been action itemed! :p
[16:00] <czajkowski> I'll add it to do list this evening :)
[16:01] <jono> haha
[16:01] <Pendulum> czajkowski: you have quite a few blog posts for this week, eh? ;-)
[16:01] <jono> thanks!
[16:01] <jono> dpm, ok, mumble ok?
[16:01] <czajkowski> just started a thread on the -ie mailing list of Getting to know one another to increase the discssion on our list
[16:01] <dpm> jono, yep
[16:01] <czajkowski> Pendulum: you're tomorrow right
[16:03] <jono> I just heard you dpm
[16:03] <jono> is your volume up?
[16:03] <jono> let me check my mic
[16:03] <jono> dpm, my mic seems to be working
[16:03] <jono> can you play back music?
[16:04] <jono> haha
[16:04] <jono> odd, lets do skype
[16:04] <jono> :)
[16:04] <czajkowski> sype ftw
[16:05] <jono> :)
[16:05] <dpm> ok, on skype now
[16:08] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I know :)
[16:08] <czajkowski> Pendulum: was just checking
[16:08] <czajkowski> in the middle of a post now
[16:16] <jono> dpm, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-process-improvements
[16:17] <qense> good afternoon
[16:17] <jono> dpm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity
[16:39] <akgraner> Good Morning! or whatever it where you are :-D!
[16:41] <nigelb> hey akgraner
[16:41] <nigelb> Feeling better now?
[16:41] <greg-g> akgraner: can you PM me your mailing address, I have a present for you
[16:42] <greg-g> also, really sorry you couldn't make it up to jcastro's wedding :(
[16:42] <jcastro> akgraner: we saved you some pint glasses!
[16:42] <jcastro> greg-g: I ended up with like 20
[16:42] <nigelb> jcastro: everyone knows exactly what you want perahsp :)
[16:42] <greg-g> oh, well then, can I keep mine and you send one, jcastro ?
[16:42] <jcastro> greg-g: yeah, that'll work the best I think
[16:42] <akgraner> oh wow
[16:42] <nigelb> jcastro: when can we see the pictures?
[16:43] <jcastro> nigelb: after I catch up. :D
[16:43] <nigelb> jcastro: haha :)
[16:43] <greg-g> jcastro: awesome! I love pint glasses :)
[16:44] <akgraner> nigelb, I was given a shot this morning to keep the pain at a min. for the next couple of days to get some things done - but with a warning that overuse will cause further damage.  I'll have surgery the 2nd week of July barring any further complications
[16:44] <greg-g> ugh
[16:44] <greg-g> I'm so sorry akgraner
[16:45] <nigelb> akgraner: I hope it all goes well :)
[16:45] <akgraner> me to :-) I am sure it will - but it is amazing how they can do temp nerve blocks and stuff now - better living through chemistry :-)
[16:46] <nigelb> akgraner: Its not *that* safe for you.  Please don't forget that its injured or you'll hurt it even more
[16:48] <jcastro> nigelb: she won't listen. :D
[16:48] <jcastro> she's probably bench pressing right now
[16:48] <jcastro> knocking out push ups
[16:48] <nigelb> jcastro: Most probably.
[16:48] <nigelb> I would suggest not doing anything that caused pain when you didn't have the shot
[16:50] <Pendulum> nigelb: I agree there
[16:51]  * dholbach hugs akgraner
[16:55] <akgraner> Thanks y'all :-)
[16:56] <nigelb> :)
[16:57] <nigelb> Pendulum: my friend had an ankle sprain.  Took pain tablets and played basketball and eventually tore it :/
[16:58] <Pendulum> nigelb: I probably tore my rotator cuff when I was 15, but swim coaches made me keep swimming and my parents didn't think it was so bad I needed to see a doctor. This is likely why I have so many shouder problems nwo
[16:58] <nigelb> Pendulum: Oh :(
[16:58] <jcastro> I had my shoulder lasered up!
[16:58] <Pendulum> (saw an orthopaedist about 4 years ago who said "there's scar tissue from what feels like a badly healed tear" which is why we know it was probably torn)
[17:20]  * dpm is just reading the scrollback and *hugs* akgraner!
[17:21] <akgraner> dpm, thanks!
[17:22] <qense> I don't know what happened to akgraner, but it does sound bad. I hope you'll be better soon, Amber!
[17:36]  * dholbach calls it a day
[17:36] <dholbach> have a good one everybody
[17:36] <jussi> laters dholbach
[17:36]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:36] <dholbach> bye jussi
[17:36] <nigelb> night dholbach :)
[17:39]  * dpm calls it a day too
[17:40] <dpm> See you all tomorrow!
[17:47]  * nigelb calls it a day too
[17:47] <nigelb> Good night folks!
[17:47] <AlanBell> o/
[17:51] <bencrisford> nigelb: g'night
[17:51] <bencrisford> :)
[18:32] <jcastro> popey: czajkowski: pings
[18:37] <popey> jcastro: hullo
[18:37] <popey> czajkowski is afk
[18:37] <jcastro> ah ok
[18:37] <jcastro> popey: where is the most up to date list of official locos?
[18:37] <jcastro> that huge page on the wiki still?
[18:37] <popey> official or approved?
[18:37] <jcastro> approved
[18:37] <jcastro> approved gets mailing lists right?
[18:37] <popey> launchpad.net/~locoteams-approved
[18:38] <popey> they all get mailing lists AIUI
[18:39] <jcastro> ok so like
[18:39] <jcastro> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cu
[18:39] <jcastro> put in a request for a mailing list
[18:39] <popey> been around 3 years, has 52 members
[18:40] <popey> i see no reason to hold them back from having a list personally
[18:40] <jcastro> ok so just punt to you guys then?
[18:40] <popey> go fer it
[18:40] <jcastro> yeah, I don't really make that call
[18:40] <jcastro> I leave that to your capable sideys
[18:40] <jcastro> I mean ...
[18:40] <popey> POWER SIDEYS!
[18:41] <jcastro> popey: ok so just so I'm clear
[18:41] <jcastro> I just assign them to you, and then you pile em up and agendaize them for the loco council meetings right?
[18:41] <jcastro> then after you approve you assign it to vanguard right?
[18:42] <popey> yes and no
[18:42] <popey> yes you throw them at us
[18:42] <popey> we deal with them on the mailing list / irc / meeting
[18:42] <popey> generally as soon as we can
[18:42] <popey> no point waiting for a meeting for us all to go "+1"
[18:42] <popey> short answer: yes
[18:43] <popey> :)
[18:52] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:59] <AlanBell> word of the day: "agendaize"
[19:03] <jussi> nice
[19:07] <jcastro> I felt clever!
[19:11] <AlanBell> it was inspired
[20:44] <czajkowski> I could play with this all night long http://instantsfun.es/
[20:50]  * JFo sends jcastro's word to M-W
[20:59] <akgraner> jcastro, is like the EF Hutton of the community-team channel - when he speaks people listen :-p
[20:59] <czajkowski> akgraner: way with words girl!
[21:00] <czajkowski> akgraner: can you op up in -women-project and invite in airuando he's having issues joinging
[21:00] <czajkowski> and wants to say thanks to folks from Orla
[21:00] <czajkowski> please
[21:02] <akgraner> okie dokie
[21:03] <czajkowski> see -women-project
[21:04] <Pendulum> czajkowski: btw, his nick is airurando you keep missing the 2nd r ;-)
[21:04] <jcastro> jono: call today?
[21:04] <jono> jcastro, yep, can you give me a few to wrap something?
[21:04] <jono> might be about 10mins
[21:04] <jcastro> no worries!
[21:04] <jcastro> I'm going to go buy a coke
[21:04] <jono> thanks!
[21:17] <jono> jcastro, all set
[21:17] <jcastro> me too!
[21:22] <jcastro> jono: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/add-more-apps-to-ubuntu-messaging-menu.html
[21:23] <czajkowski> is the only way forward now for news to get out on ubuntu though a non ubuntu form, no mails from canonical dev folks just via OMG :(
[21:23] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/Applications
[21:24] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I hope not :(
[21:24] <czajkowski> seems to be the way being pushed forward which is rather disapointing
[21:31] <jono> jcastro, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperStackTour
[21:38] <jono> jcastro, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-process-improvements
[21:42] <jono> jcastro, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Process
[21:43] <czajkowski> oh I've action items on there that need working
[21:50] <jono> jcastro, oh shit, I forgot to say, I have music for you
[21:51] <jcastro> !!!!
[21:51] <jono> jcastro, you got a few mins in a few mins to give it a listen?
[21:51] <jono> would like to hear your feedback
[21:51] <jcastro> for sure
[21:51] <jcastro> absolutely
[21:51] <jono> ok let me go and upload them first
[21:51] <jono> brb
[21:51]  * jcastro goes on a biobreak first
[21:58] <jono> jcastro, mumble ok?
[22:00] <jcastro> yeah
[22:11] <Technoviking> I think OMG is secretly ran by Mark
[22:13] <czajkowski> Technoviking: heh, well it's just getting a bit ridiculous for news to only go out via that tbh
[22:14] <Pendulum> am I the only person who has trouble reading omg in a visual way?
[22:14] <Pendulum> because of all the bright colours it reads as "too busy" to my eyes and tends to give me a headache
[22:21] <AlanBell> how many people attended UDS?
[22:29] <jcastro> Pendulum: I read it in a feed reader, it's the only way
[22:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: 300+
[22:34] <Pendulum> jcastro: I kinda feel like, that if multiple people have trouble reading it on the native site (I'm not a fan of feed readers), then maybe a better way ought to be used to disseminate news
[22:35] <Pendulum> I don't have a problem with their reporting stuff, just when they're the *only* people reporting things that maybe ought to be coming more directly from Canonical and/or Ubuntu teams
[22:35] <jcastro> I find UWN to be the most comprehensive
[22:35] <czajkowski> jcastro: aye, but the point atm is some really imporant info seems to be only going down the route of being told via omgubuntu
[22:39]  * jcastro nods
[23:04] <akgraner> I don't think anything OMG is reporting is not accessible publicly but requires time and effort to watch list ect...then take the time to write it up
[23:05] <czajkowski> akgraner: I think it's a shame it's not coming from canoincal and tbh I put less faith in it because of that
[23:05] <akgraner> and I think they have many eyes watching many lists
[23:05] <akgraner> and that they send them links so they know