| robert_ancell | RAOF, math question about order of operations - do you know if the order of multiplication and division is strictly required to be left to right? I'd like to do multiplication first so the following works: 1×10²÷2×10¹ | 00:19 |
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| RAOF | robert_ancell: Multiplication & division are commutative; it doesn't matter which way you order them. | 00:19 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: In fact, division doesn't exist. It's a convenient fiction. | 00:19 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, if you treat the above as exponential numbers it does make a difference unfortunately | 00:20 |
| RAOF | Well, it's because you're missing some brackets. | 00:20 |
| RAOF | 1×10²×2^(-1)×10^(-1) will work, and doesn't matter what order you do it in. | 00:21 |
| robert_ancell | yes, I wonder if this is going to make exponential numbers unusable | 00:21 |
| robert_ancell | (without brackets) | 00:21 |
| robert_ancell | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620191 | 00:22 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 620191 in general "Exp button replaced with x10^y caused changed semantics" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 00:22 |
| RAOF | So, how do you tell the difference between (1×10²) (semantically a single number with an exponential representation) and 1×10²? | 00:23 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, that's it, I can't | 00:23 |
| robert_ancell | Though visually you would expect to be able to, and if you wrote the equation on paper you wouldn't bother with brackets (but might use some spacing to distinguish) | 00:23 |
| JanC | eh, what's the difference? :P | 00:24 |
| RAOF | Well, I *personally* wouldn't write a number like that :) | 00:24 |
| robert_ancell | JanC, the difference matters when you do the above division example | 00:24 |
| JanC | according to the math I learned, they are exactly the same? | 00:24 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, what would you write? | 00:25 |
| RAOF | If you want to support it I think you'll need a dedicated button. | 00:25 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: I'd probably enclose them in brackets. | 00:25 |
| robert_ancell | So I'm wondering if I could be clever and work out the difference but I think it would just make the match unpredictable (and probably incorrect) | 00:26 |
| RAOF | But that's partially because I'm a mathematician, not an engineer :) | 00:26 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, sure. So that sounds like the correct solution, I have to decide if the correct solution is more important than the practical solution. hmmm | 00:26 |
| JanC | eh, I'm not a mathematician, and I use brackets when I want to override normal operation order | 00:27 |
| JanC | they teached that in primary school IIRC ;) | 00:28 |
| RAOF | I think you'll need a dedicated button - it's a different way to enter a number, one that's basically indistingishable from entering an operation. | 00:28 |
| RAOF | Hm. If you had a dedicated button you could also do funky things, like preserve precision across calculations. | 00:28 |
| RAOF | JanC: Yeah, but engineers (and scientists) deal with numbers like 2.53×10² _all the time_. | 00:29 |
| JanC | is this about an alternative to xEy notation used by many calculators? | 00:29 |
| robert_ancell | JanC, so if you wanted to do that division, do you think you would have put the brackets in the first time? Would you have been suprised if you got the wrong answer? | 00:29 |
| robert_ancell | JanC, yes, I removed that notation, I've been trying to get gcalctool to do correct mathematical notation where possible | 00:30 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, the issue is parsing the 'E' notation, as E can be a variable now. Do you know of any alternative symbols to use? | 00:30 |
| JanC | eh, E can be a variable in the middle ? | 00:31 |
| robert_ancell | JanC, "10E-2" | 00:33 |
| robert_ancell | I need a unicode "*10" glyph :) | 00:33 |
| JanC | still, there is nothing that looks like an operator before the E ? | 00:33 |
| JanC | depends on how you parse things of course | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | 10E = 10*E | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | so now you can do calculations like 2πr which I think is a bigger win | 00:35 |
| JanC | but that would be wrong syntax if you wanted to express an exponent? | 00:36 |
| robert_ancell | if you have a variable E, e.g. E=2, 10E-2 = 18 | 00:36 |
| JanC | oh | 00:36 |
| JanC | you want to remove the need for * ? | 00:36 |
| JanC | please don't :P | 00:36 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: I think there actually is a ×10 glyph | 00:37 |
| robert_ancell | it's gone! How can you do polynomials without it? (The syntax choices are in the order that is is taught in schools, i.e. polynomials are a higher priority than exponential numbers) | 00:37 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Hm. Can you have 3.65EXP6 translate to the glyphs 3.65×10⁶ and parse that specially? Users are unlikely to be entering ×10⁶ themselves, right? | 00:46 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, Ctrl+E enters ×10 and puts you in superscript mode, so it is fast to enter exponentials (as long as you work out the shortcut key - it's in the tooltip) | 00:47 |
| JanC | RAOF: I enter that when writing text, but in general not on a calculator ;) | 00:48 |
| robert_ancell | and again, 3.65EXP-6 could be a valid equation | 00:48 |
| robert_ancell | What calculators do you guys use? I really want a good engineering/scientific/programming calculator app I can recommend that advanced users install. The best I have found are speedcrunch and qalculate | 00:49 |
| RAOF | I don't use a calculator. Mathematician's don't deal with numbers. :) | 00:50 |
| JanC | a python shell ;) | 00:50 |
| robert_ancell | heh, we're all the wrong class of users :) | 00:51 |
| JanC | but why would people want to do polynomials on their calculator? | 00:52 |
| JanC | I never owned one that could do that? | 00:52 |
| JanC | isn't that more something for a dedicated application? | 00:54 |
| robert_ancell | well, these are the sorts of calculations that people know about, so I think it makes sense to have a tool that does that. My calculator could sort of do simple polynomials. | 00:55 |
| robert_ancell | I think most people are happy as long as the calculator does (1+2)*3 | 00:55 |
| JanC | hm, what about using spaces? | 00:56 |
| robert_ancell | spaces for? | 00:56 |
| JanC | well, 3.65 * E * 6 could be writen as 3.65 E 6, but not as 3.65E6 ? | 00:58 |
| robert_ancell | JanC, looks too ambiguous | 01:00 |
| JanC | hm, another idea, variables are written in italics in math, maybe you can use that? | 01:01 |
| robert_ancell | I think I've seen notation where the 'E' is 3/4 size, looking for a glyph | 01:02 |
| robert_ancell | JanC, I explored that a while back, the problem is entering with the keyboard - either they always have to be in italics (which screws up the functions) or you need a modifier key for each variable | 01:02 |
| RAOF | Certainly using a different E glyph would work. | 01:06 |
| robert_ancell | 1ⅇ2 1⋿2 | 01:08 |
| robert_ancell | ? | 01:08 |
| robert_ancell | 1𝐄2 | 01:08 |
| robert_ancell | 1𝐸2 | 01:08 |
| robert_ancell | 1𝑬2, 1𝗘2 1𝑬2 | 01:09 |
| robert_ancell | 1𝝚2 | 01:09 |
| JanC | seems like http://xrjunque.nom.es/precis/Admfns.aspx uses brackets & * when things are confusing ;) | 01:11 |
| RAOF | I think the last one is better. | 01:12 |
| RAOF | 1𝝚2 | 01:12 |
| robert_ancell | yes, I think I'll do that | 01:13 |
| robert_ancell | It will be optional though, or perhaps it should happen automatically in engineering mode? | 01:13 |
| RAOF | ⅇ is blackboard bold, and will probably confuse mathematicians. ⋿ looks a lot like a reverse “there exists” quantifier; I'm not sure what that's for :). | 01:13 |
| RAOF | Probably automatically in engineering mode. | 01:13 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, it is "notation bag membership" | 01:14 |
| robert_ancell | whatever that is | 01:14 |
| RAOF | Ah, ok. | 01:14 |
| robert_ancell | hmm, bugzilla freaked out with that glyph, cut off half my comment!! | 01:24 |
| RAOF | :) | 01:25 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, hey, can you look at brasero in bzr? It's not ubuntu-desktop uploadable | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Sure. | 01:42 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Slight correction, you say in your changelog that its a rebase on debian testing, but the most recent debian changelog entry is unstable. | 01:44 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, right, I pulled it from testing, but it's just the version copied from unstable. Feel free to correct (I wasn't sure at the time but I have been making later packages match the last changelog entry) | 01:46 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: heh ok, will adjust. | 01:46 |
| * robert_ancell argh! I build in a chroot and it still doesn't work when I upload! | 01:56 | |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: brasero uploaded | 02:24 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, thanks | 02:29 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: np | 02:30 |
| Sarvatt | well all this talk about gcalctool made me pull the hold off my old version and I noticed the bit editor is fixed, you rock robert_ancell! :) it stopped showing when you inputted any hex characters for awhile there and thats all I use it for | 03:36 |
| robert_ancell | Sarvatt, yeah, the last release was a bit of a problem. Let me know if you find any issues in the new one! | 03:37 |
| Sarvatt | need to decide hex register dumps | 03:37 |
| Sarvatt | decode* | 03:37 |
| robert_ancell | Sarvatt, example? | 03:38 |
| Sarvatt | pulling this out of my rear here but if you run say intel_reg_dumper, it gives off a list of register dumps and you can decode what they mean in the docs. like say bit 14 of the FBC_STATUS register indicates its enabled | 03:43 |
| Sarvatt | but all you get from the dumper is 0x053f03ff | 03:43 |
| robert_ancell | Sarvatt, can you put an example in paste.ubuntu.com? Is the issue the 0x? | 03:44 |
| Sarvatt | from october until lucid's release if you entered say A it immediately stopped showing the bit representation of what you're inputting | 03:44 |
| Sarvatt | only worked in decimal | 03:45 |
| Sarvatt | like i'd enter 053 and it'd update it as I went but once I put in that f it just greyed out the area | 03:46 |
| robert_ancell | Sarvatt, I'm confused, I thought you said there was a problem in the latest version | 03:46 |
| Sarvatt | oh no I'm sorry, I was saying all the talk about it made me remove the hold for the really old version I had that worked to try it out and I saw it was fixed now | 03:47 |
| robert_ancell | Sarvatt, great :) | 03:47 |
| pitti | Good morning | 05:19 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, hey | 05:23 |
| pitti | hey robert_ancell, how are you? | 05:24 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, good! Guess it's your tuesday now so I have to stop uploading :) | 05:24 |
| pitti | heh | 05:24 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 08:02 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 08:03 |
| didrocks | Guten Morgen pitti, how are you? at work at 6AM as usually in Munich apparenty? ;) | 08:03 |
| pitti | yep :) | 08:04 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you think that's because this blueprint wasn't accepted for UDS-M "sprint" that it doesn't appear in the WI tracker: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-m-unity-une-integration ? | 08:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: I fixed the blueprint syntax, "work items" must not appear in [ ] | 08:16 |
| didrocks | pitti: urgh, my fault so, sorry. Thanks! :) | 08:16 |
| pitti | de rien :) | 08:16 |
| summers | i would like to invite everyone to my new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots | 08:49 |
| summers | +o for everyone | 08:49 |
| pitti | thanks, jussi | 09:00 |
| pitti | I didn't really get the joke, but it didn't sound constructive | 09:00 |
| seb128 | hello pitti | 09:00 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 09:00 |
| jussi | pitti: he is a problem user that has been spamming pretty much across the ubuntu namespace | 09:00 |
| pitti | argh, I thought I just fixed those )#$*#$ retracers | 09:01 |
| * pitti pokes harder | 09:01 | |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 09:01 |
| seb128 | hello didrocks | 09:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: which version of mutter do you need for gnome-shell? | 09:02 |
| didrocks | 2.31+ or 2.30 is enough? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | 31 | 09:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: understood, thanks :) | 09:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: how are you btw? | 09:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I'm great, thank you, what about you? | 09:04 |
| rodrigo_ | morning | 09:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: slowly recovering up from the lack of sleep. Otherwise I'm good thanks :) | 09:04 |
| didrocks | hey rodrigo_ | 09:04 |
| seb128 | hey rodrigo_ | 09:04 |
| rodrigo_ | what's the process to get a package added to ubuntu universe? | 09:04 |
| rodrigo_ | hi didrocks, seb128 | 09:04 |
| jussi | Ill leave you good people alone again. Have fun! | 09:05 |
| rodrigo_ | it's about wdfs, for tomboy webdav syncing | 09:05 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, easier is to get it in debian, otherwise try #ubuntu-motu or wiki documentation | 09:05 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, btw, haven't forgotten about the couchdb-based dconf backend, just waiting on desrt to write the API needed | 09:06 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 09:06 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: sweet! no hurry in any case :) | 09:06 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, there is an evince update in bzr if you want to sponsor. | 09:12 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 09:13 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, thanks for the autotools heads up! | 09:13 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, can do that later, I'm catching up with other things right now | 09:13 |
| seb128 | or maybe didrocks wants to do some sponsoring ;-) | 09:13 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, it's not critical, just a merge | 09:13 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw we settled on the dconf binaries yesterday | 09:13 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yup, saw that. Left them in one package I see :) | 09:13 |
| seb128 | right, since nothing is supposed to use the lib and there is abi, api, dbus compability whatsoever | 09:14 |
| seb128 | right, since nothing is supposed to use the lib and there is abi, api, dbus compability whatsoever | 09:14 |
| seb128 | ups | 09:14 |
| seb128 | I somewhat think it's an upstream fail but shrug | 09:15 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, that was what I was worried about. | 09:15 |
| seb128 | what is the point to make it a system library if it's not supposed to be one? | 09:15 |
| robert_ancell | it's really just a gsettings backends | 09:16 |
| seb128 | right | 09:16 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, didrocks: did you guys decide to use that new cdbs autoreconf rules? | 09:17 |
| robert_ancell | I haven't tried the new method but the DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_* variables seem to be working well | 09:19 |
| seb128 | well, we had discussions about it previous cycles I think | 09:20 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, I think the main difference will be one line instead of 4 in debian/rules? i.e. autoreconf runs the same set of tools | 09:20 |
| seb128 | it's not using autoreconf but trying to call autoconf, automake etc | 09:20 |
| seb128 | where autoreconf has the logic to run autotools in the right order to work | 09:20 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, sure, it will be better to use autoreconf | 09:21 |
| robert_ancell | (my point being I've done a number of packages and they seem to build well, so I expect the autoreconf stuff will work just as well) | 09:21 |
| seb128 | ok, nice | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you see my workitems ping yesterday? | 09:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, could you reset the maverick charts for us? | 09:24 |
| pitti | seb128: no, I don't think I did | 09:24 |
| seb128 | the trendline is not adjusted we want to start from now | 09:24 |
| pitti | hm, we did last week already? | 09:24 |
| pitti | ok | 09:24 |
| seb128 | see http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html | 09:24 |
| seb128 | I checked with rickspencer3 and he agreed to reset | 09:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: robert_ancell I guess this tool is better if debian is using it, we can reduce the diff too | 09:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: robert_ancell: needs sponsoring for evince? | 09:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, debian is not using it they don't need to autoreconf at build time usually | 09:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, if you can sponsor it that would be nice, I'm looking to some workitems and other things right now | 09:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure but we have a tool that is called on the right time, copying the old configure and some cleaning safety | 09:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: way better to redo that for every package | 09:26 |
| seb128 | right | 09:26 |
| didrocks | so i'll be in favor going this path | 09:26 |
| seb128 | I'm just saying it's not going to win us lot of diff over debian | 09:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: doing evince | 09:26 |
| seb128 | not arguing we should not use it ;-) | 09:26 |
| seb128 | thanks | 09:26 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, great merge work ;-) | 09:27 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so much merging to do... :) | 09:27 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, we should be almost done no? | 09:27 |
| seb128 | don't bother for those were the packaging is very different | 09:28 |
| seb128 | ie gdm | 09:28 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, I see you've already got stuck into the gdm anger this morning :) | 09:28 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:28 |
| pitti | seb128: committed | 09:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 09:29 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-1.html seems a bit overly optimistic? | 09:29 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, can you push you rhythmbox changes? | 09:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, it was sort of a fuzzy target | 09:30 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, whoops, pushing now | 09:30 |
| seb128 | I'm moving things to alpha-2 tiday | 09:30 |
| robert_ancell | we need that tool | 09:30 |
| seb128 | today | 09:30 |
| pitti | although the dconf one is done | 09:30 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, thanks | 09:30 |
| pitti | seb128: you can mark dconf as done | 09:30 |
| pitti | congrats to robert_ancell for doing all his alpha-1 tasks :) | 09:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, doing so, thanks | 09:30 |
| * pitti hugs robert_ancell | 09:30 | |
| seb128 | pitti, did you review the binaries? | 09:30 |
| pitti | seb128: erm, no, did you ask me to? | 09:30 |
| pitti | sorry if I missed it | 09:30 |
| robert_ancell | ok gtg, see you guys tomorrow | 09:30 |
| pitti | good night robert_ancell | 09:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, but since you rejected the first upload I figured you would review the new one | 09:31 |
| pitti | ah, can do in a minute | 09:31 |
| pitti | just uploading udisks | 09:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, sorry if that was wrong assumption I did ;-) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 09:31 |
| ara | seb128, shall we send the call for testing now? | 09:32 |
| seb128 | ara, hey, how are you? | 09:33 |
| ara | seb128, doing good, thanks. yourself? | 09:33 |
| seb128 | I'm great thank you! | 09:33 |
| seb128 | ara, the call for testing, yes please, send it whenever you are ready ;-) | 09:34 |
| ara | seb128, OK, will do | 09:34 |
| seb128 | ara, thanks! | 09:34 |
| ara | ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-qa? | 09:34 |
| * seb128 hugs ara for the great work | 09:34 | |
| * ara hugs seb128 back | 09:34 | |
| seb128 | ara, yes | 09:34 |
| pitti | seb128: dconf newed | 09:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks! | 09:42 |
| mvo | slomo, seb128: what is the plan for gnome-codec-installer for maverick? will it be superseeded by session-installer? or is it still worth keeping it? | 09:56 |
| slomo | mvo: what's session-installer? | 09:58 |
| seb128 | mvo, I've no opinion on it, I'm open to discuss it | 09:58 |
| mvo | slomo: the thing that glatzor works on to provide a packagekit compatible dbus api | 09:58 |
| mvo | seb128: ok, I was wondering if its woth spending time to make the backend for g-c-i optionally use aptdaemon | 09:59 |
| mvo | I guess that is a good move | 09:59 |
| mvo | slomo: I assume you would take a aptdaemon backend patch? | 09:59 |
| seb128 | I know user testing showed that g-c-i has not a nice user experience | 09:59 |
| seb128 | not sure if we want to work over it or just drop it for something else though | 10:00 |
| mvo | mostly because of our package naming | 10:00 |
| slomo | mvo: ah, well, the session-installer thing is suboptimal because of packagekit restrictions | 10:00 |
| seb128 | that an the number of clicks | 10:00 |
| seb128 | and the fact that it does list and select all the alternative for you | 10:00 |
| mvo | slomo: what problems exactly? do you have more info on this? | 10:00 |
| seb128 | and the fact that there is quite some dialog jumping around during the installation | 10:01 |
| slomo | mvo: packagekit only knows about "success" or "failure", the codec installer has more than that (e.g. some plugins could be installed) | 10:01 |
| mvo | seb128: is there a summary of the issue? I know that there is talk about it, I heard about it only as chat, not as a written summary or something | 10:01 |
| mvo | slomo: aha, ok | 10:01 |
| seb128 | mvo, not sure, I can check with ivanka if you want | 10:01 |
| mvo | seb128: thanks, would be nice | 10:02 |
| seb128 | mvo, the complain were the number of clicks, the dialogs jumping rather than having something integrated to the software and the names | 10:02 |
| seb128 | mvo, I will check with design | 10:02 |
| mvo | seb128: number of clicks> well, one to confirm the search, one to install | 10:02 |
| mvo | plus codec-warning-dialog (I would love to ditch this one) | 10:02 |
| seb128 | on their user testing it was over ten clicks to get rhythmbox to play a mp3 | 10:02 |
| seb128 | on a stock installation | 10:03 |
| seb128 | and they said it should be one click ;-) | 10:03 |
| mvo | seb128: it *should* be no click ;) | 10:03 |
| seb128 | well you need to ask the user | 10:03 |
| mvo | seb128: but there are various contrains that make the ideal-world less ideal :P | 10:03 |
| mvo | seb128: ideally it would be installed by default | 10:03 |
| seb128 | right, there is ideally what would happen and what we can technically do | 10:04 |
| mvo | yeah, that is my point. but I guess if there is no design yet for it, then its not feasible to radically change it for maverick | 10:05 |
| mvo | not enough time | 10:05 |
| seb128 | right | 10:05 |
| mvo | thanks seb128, I do the merge and add a aptdaemon backend and send that as a patch to slomo then for now | 10:06 |
| slomo | mvo: sounds good | 10:06 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:06 |
| mvo | and maybe make it use less windows (more inline progress like the latest update-manager) | 10:06 |
| mvo | seb128: do you know what happend with this "morphing windows" stuff from DX? that may be a good target for this | 10:07 |
| seb128 | no really, check with bratsche | 10:08 |
| mvo | ok, will do. thanks | 10:10 |
| mvo | g-c-i> fun little app, I like it | 10:10 |
| * mvo hugs slomo | 10:10 | |
| slomo | :) | 10:12 |
| seb128 | mvo, I still get update-notifier icon in the tray | 10:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey | 10:27 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, how are you today? | 10:27 |
| seb128 | I'm great ;-) | 10:28 |
| seb128 | what about you? | 10:28 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i'm good thanks, although a bit tired. i had quite a late night getting the rest of the hardy extensions updated | 10:28 |
| chrisccoulson | but they're all done now :) | 10:28 |
| mvo | seb128: aha, right. I fix it | 10:30 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks ;-) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, :-( | 10:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, sorry that you had to work on an holiday | 10:31 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - that's ok, it's better than doing gardening ;) | 10:31 |
| chrisccoulson | although i had to do some of that too | 10:31 |
| seb128 | lol | 10:32 |
| seb128 | it's not raining in the uk? | 10:32 |
| seb128 | we have cold rainy weather there | 10:32 |
| didrocks | well, not sure why robert_ancell remerged evince as it's a no win (debian just renamed the patch I've integrated as a SRU differently), but well, pushed | 10:33 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson | 10:33 |
| ayan | morning guys. | 10:33 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-mozilla-team-discussion btw | 10:33 |
| seb128 | hey ayan, how are you? | 10:33 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, could you update your alpha1 items there? | 10:33 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I guess you want to move those to alpha2 now? | 10:34 |
| ayan | seb128: doing great. | 10:34 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks | 10:36 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i can do that. i discussed those with rick on the phone last week and he suggested i move all of my alpha1 work items to alpha 2 anyway | 10:37 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, now is time to do it, we will review the chart for the meeting today | 10:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, right, robert_ancell seems to be trying to be a good citizen and merges all sources once for the cycle | 10:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: I've already merged evince one week ago, hence my wondering… | 10:40 |
| seb128 | he maybe didn't notice | 10:40 |
| seb128 | I can't really speak for him though ;-) | 10:41 |
| didrocks | yeah, I guess that if he grepped on merges.ubuntu.com, the "updated merge" isn't really noticeable :) | 10:41 |
| seb128 | mvo, the rgba emacs issue is likely an emacs bug | 10:55 |
| mvo | seb128: fair enough | 10:59 |
| seb128 | I will let cody comment | 11:00 |
| seb128 | mvo, using the new update-manager in maverick you need to enter the polkit authentification once for refresh and once to install upgrades, that's a bug or a polkit limitation since those are different actions so require different permissions set? | 11:11 |
| seb128 | mvo, should I open a bug? ;-) | 11:12 |
| mvo | seb128: please open a bug | 11:14 |
| mvo | seb128: its kind-of a feature | 11:14 |
| mvo | seb128: having fine-grained control over the thing | 11:15 |
| mvo | seb128: please report against aptdaemon | 11:15 |
| seb128 | mvo, ok | 11:15 |
| seb128 | mvo, will do that after lunch | 11:17 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, when is the firefox new version scheduled for now? | 11:17 |
| seb128 | upstream schedule | 11:17 |
| mvo | seb128: lunch> good idea! | 11:18 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - june 7th | 11:18 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 11:18 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/ says "early June" now, but an e-mail i have specifies the actual date | 11:19 |
| mvo | slomo: aptdaemon backend is ready, I'm not sure if I can commit directly to svn, I will send you a bugreport+patch | 11:19 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ok | 11:19 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, pitti: hey | 11:22 |
| seb128 | do you know where https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Mozilla/FirefoxHardyJaunty should be sent? | 11:22 |
| seb128 | u-d-a? | 11:22 |
| pitti | uda sounds fine | 11:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 11:26 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, can you check that the wiki draft is ok with you? | 11:26 |
| seb128 | I've just updated it to point to ara's email for testing instructions | 11:26 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ comments are welcome from you as well if you have any | 11:26 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, can do | 11:26 |
| seb128 | (rickspencer asked me to send that announce when we are ready for testing) | 11:26 |
| seb128 | hum, 1, 2, 3 are missing it seems | 11:27 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you are editing? can you add | 11:28 |
| seb128 | [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel | 11:28 |
| seb128 | [2] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa | 11:28 |
| seb128 | or the ppa is rather 3 | 11:28 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i was just going to do that | 11:29 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:29 |
| ara | seb128, chrisccoulson: I also blogged about it for people reading only planet.u.c (http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/call-for-testing-firefox/) | 11:34 |
| seb128 | ara, thanks! | 11:34 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - ok, i've finished editing now | 11:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thank you! | 11:40 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, "New firefox support model and coming changes in stable updates" | 11:55 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, "New firefox support model and coming changes in stable updates" | 11:56 |
| seb128 | grrr | 11:56 |
| seb128 | sorry | 11:56 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, does that seem good for the email title? | 11:56 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, that seems fine | 11:56 |
| seb128 | or "coming changes for the stable Ubuntu versions"? | 11:56 |
| seb128 | ok sent | 11:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, who is moderating u-d-a? | 11:59 |
| pitti | I can | 12:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, if you could review my email there that would be great | 12:00 |
| pitti | it's not in the queue yet, though | 12:01 |
| pitti | From: info@banksnews.gr | 12:02 |
| pitti | Subject: Σενάριο καταστροφής και… κρατικοποίησης τραπεζών! | 12:02 |
| pitti | seb128: ^ this wasn't it, right? :-) | 12:02 |
| * pitti just killed that | 12:02 | |
| seb128 | pitti, it was! | 12:02 |
| seb128 | jk ;-) | 12:02 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 12:02 |
| pitti | so, might take a bit | 12:02 |
| pitti | I'm back in 30, lunch time | 12:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, it went through it seems | 12:02 |
| pitti | ah, so someone beat me to it then | 12:02 |
| pitti | good | 12:02 |
| chrisccoulson | so, the fun begins now ;) | 12:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, is uda moderated for ubuntu emails? | 12:03 |
| pitti | yes | 12:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's weird, I pinged you when I sent the email | 12:03 |
| seb128 | somebody is very efficient at moderating it seems ;-) | 12:03 |
| pitti | or there is a whitelist, which I'm not on :) (nor Steve, etc.) | 12:03 |
| pitti | seb128 special magic | 12:04 |
| pitti | anyway, bbl | 12:04 |
| seb128 | enjoy! | 12:04 |
| seb128 | lunch there as well | 12:04 |
| * didrocks is sure there is a lot of (if nick == "seb128") everywhere in ubuntu and in the infrastructure :) | 12:04 | |
| didrocks | pitti: seb128 enjoy your lunch :) | 12:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks, you as well if you didn't lunch yet | 12:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks :) I'll a little bit later, still want to finish some stuff before | 12:09 |
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| === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann | ||
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ | ||
| mvo | pitti: silly question, why does the stuff from https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-update-manager-improvements not show up on the foundations workitems traker? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | mvo, you need to accept it | 13:29 |
| pitti | mvo: it's only proposed for maverick, not accepted | 13:29 |
| seb128 | mvo, the serie goal | 13:30 |
| mvo | aha, and I have not the powers to do that myself. thanks, I will ask colin to ack it | 13:30 |
| pitti | mvo: can do for you | 13:30 |
| pitti | mvo: done, and fixed the "workitems" -> "work items" typo, too | 13:31 |
| mvo | thanks :) | 13:31 |
| seb128 | vuntz, hey | 13:34 |
| seb128 | vuntz, could you get dconf listed on your gnome versions? | 13:34 |
| === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine | ||
| vuntz | seb128: ah, dconf. Hrm, good point | 13:37 |
| seb128 | vuntz, thanks! | 13:37 |
| ccheney | good morning | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | good morning ccheney | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | and everyone else | 13:52 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine | 13:53 |
| kenvandine | hey pitti | 13:55 |
| === br-sleep is now known as bratsche | ||
| seb128 | hello rickspencer3, kenvandine, ccheney | 14:00 |
| seb128 | hello rickspencer3, kenvandine, ccheney | 14:00 |
| ccheney | seb128, hi | 14:00 |
| seb128 | hello rickspencer3, kenvandine, ccheney | 14:00 |
| seb128 | ups | 14:00 |
| seb128 | sorry | 14:00 |
| ccheney | heh :) | 14:00 |
| seb128 | I though I was on the dialog next to xchat | 14:01 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-m-sound-menu-v2 | 14:02 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, how are your work items for alpha1 there going? | 14:02 |
| kenvandine | almost done | 14:03 |
| kenvandine | bindings are done | 14:03 |
| kenvandine | but distcheck is upset | 14:03 |
| rickspencer3 | hi all | 14:03 |
| kenvandine | hopefully finish that this morning | 14:03 |
| didrocks | hey rickspencer3 | 14:03 |
| kenvandine | hey rickspencer3 | 14:03 |
| didrocks | hello kenvandine | 14:03 |
| kenvandine | hey didrocks | 14:04 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, how are you? | 14:04 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, ok | 14:04 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I've updated the team meeting template, should the members on rotations still be listed there? | 14:04 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm trying to get up a little earlier this week | 14:04 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I left them for now since they still have some % of their time and might want to joing the meetings | 14:05 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, yeah, I need to update the template | 14:05 |
| rickspencer3 | I usually just edit it a bit when I create it | 14:05 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I've updated the team members and the maverick workitems url | 14:05 |
| seb128 | I was just not sure about the rotations | 14:05 |
| seb128 | I left those for now | 14:05 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks seb128 | 14:05 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, how are you? looks like quite a bit of work got done yesterday despite the holidays | 14:06 |
| chrisccoulson | asac - do we need to migrate settings in /etc/firefox-3.0/pref to the new location in hardy (or is it even safe to do that)? | 14:07 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I'm great ;-) | 14:07 |
| rickspencer3 | chouette! | 14:07 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, we got the call for testing and announce for firefox updates done as well | 14:07 |
| seb128 | thanks to ara and chrisccoulson | 14:07 |
| chrisccoulson | i just noticed the old directory is still there after the upgrade after looking at the comments on http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4173/537 | 14:07 |
| rickspencer3 | yup | 14:07 |
| chrisccoulson | hey :) | 14:07 |
| seb128 | aquarius, hi | 14:11 |
| seb128 | aquarius, did you open that pygobject bug? | 14:11 |
| chrisccoulson | ara - all of the extensions are in the PPA now btw, i'm not sure if you want to add these to http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4173 | 14:11 |
| aquarius | seb128, I haven't yet because it doesn't show up until a patch goes into Rhythmbox to add Python bindings for impl_want_uri and impl_add_uri | 14:12 |
| seb128 | aquarius, well the bug is there anyway, I wanted to clear that from my sru list | 14:13 |
| aquarius | seb128, oh, ok -- I figured it wouldn't need SRUing because the version of RB in lucid doesn't show the bug...but I'll go report it once I finish this conf call | 14:14 |
| seb128 | aquarius, well, I though it would be useful for you to get the fix in lucid and it might happen in other cases than rhythmbox no? | 14:15 |
| seb128 | aquarius, thanks | 14:15 |
| aquarius | seb128, agreed, so I should have filed it. Will do :-) | 14:15 |
| asac | chrisccoulson: your call ;) | 14:16 |
| asac | would obviously be nice, | 14:16 |
| seb128 | hey asac | 14:17 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 14:17 |
| seb128 | back to europe? ;-) | 14:17 |
| asac | seb128: yeah ;) | 14:18 |
| asac | and feel pretty wasted from this timezone flight thing and direclty being busted with work ;) ... but we already know thats life ;) | 14:19 |
| seb128 | hehe | 14:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, could you accept the rhythmbox sru to updates now? I want to do another sru upload | 14:53 |
| seb128 | it has 8 days of testing and has been verified now | 14:53 |
| pitti | seb128: ack | 14:54 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:54 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: so my netbook went kinda crazy yesterday. I got the new blingier netbook-launcher, but I lost suspend/resume. I then rebooted a few times and eventually I got suspend/resume back and no blingy n-l | 14:57 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: hum that's weird. I don't think this is related to the update, but hopefully, that's easy to check | 14:58 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: first, have a look at your GNOME session in gdm and try to do the same :) | 14:58 |
| LaserJock | well, I can't repeat it is the thing | 14:58 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: then, if it's not related, try to remove CLUTTER_VBLANK in the exec= like of /etc/xdg/xdg-une/netbook-launcher.desktop | 14:59 |
| didrocks | urgh | 14:59 |
| LaserJock | I mean, I spent a day with this blingy n-l | 14:59 |
| LaserJock | then mysteriously after several reboots it went away | 14:59 |
| didrocks | hum… that's weird, you mean that netbook-launcher is slow now? | 15:00 |
| LaserJock | slow? no, not at all | 15:00 |
| LaserJock | it just doesn't have the cool effects | 15:00 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: hum, that's what you called blingy. are you sure it wasn't the 2D session you were on? | 15:00 |
| LaserJock | I don't know, could be | 15:01 |
| LaserJock | it used a fair amount of CPU | 15:01 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: logout, and try "Ubuntu Netbook 2D" | 15:01 |
| LaserJock | k | 15:01 |
| LaserJock | brb | 15:01 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: yep, that was it | 15:03 |
| LaserJock | I thought the 2D n-l was more boring :-) | 15:04 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: ok, for unknown reason, it fallbacked for you to the 2D session before rebooting :) | 15:04 |
| LaserJock | so I guess something was weird with my kernel and I lost suspend/resume/3D | 15:04 |
| didrocks | yeah | 15:04 |
| LaserJock | alright, well, mystery solved I guess | 15:05 |
| LaserJock | it had some cool effects though | 15:05 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: the goes to the up or down? I understand better our conversation now :) | 15:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 15:06 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 15:07 |
| === ogra_ is now known as ogra | ||
| chrisccoulson | word travels fast: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMwNw | 16:51 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 16:51 |
| bcurtiswx | chrisccoulson: someone actually pays attention to mailing lists??? :P | 16:55 |
| LaserJock | mailing lists? I assume phoronix has an IRC by this point ;-) | 16:56 |
| LaserJock | *IRC bot | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | ArneGoetje, bryceh, chrisccoulson, ccheney, didrocks, kenvandine, Riddell, seb128, pitti - Team meeting time in 1 minute? | 17:29 |
| didrocks | hey o/ | 17:29 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-06-01 | 17:30 |
| seb128 | hey | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | should be quick today, I guess | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | not a lot on the agenda | 17:30 |
| ccheney | hi :) | 17:30 |
| Riddell | afternoon | 17:30 |
| ogra | you should put a sign into #ubuntu-meeting for the community :) | 17:30 |
| ogra | someone is waiting for the desktop team meeting there it seems | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | ooops | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | ogra, can you send them here please? | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | shall we start? | 17:31 |
| ogra | Riddell already did | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks ogra | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | and Riddell | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | Outstanding actions from last meeting | 17:31 |
| tremolux | heya everyone | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: chrisccoulson to investigate any chromium changes appropriate for the distro | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | hello everyone | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | hi tremolux | 17:31 |
| * rickspencer3 adds tremolux to list of pingees | 17:32 | |
| * kenvandine waves | 17:32 | |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: :D | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, I assume that you've been way to busy for this | 17:32 |
| chrisccoulson | well, i've not had much chance to look at anything other than firefox over the last week ;) | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | good | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | I would have been worried if you had been able to make time for this :) | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | I would have expected some kind of "Back to the Future" scenario :) | 17:32 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: kenvandine to clarify with Dx what is in scope for A2 (DONE) | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to poke squinky about kubuntu.org | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | I poked him, he said eow, last week | 17:33 |
| kenvandine | dx blueprints seem to be in order | 17:33 |
| Riddell | rickspencer3: I guess another poke is due | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, has it been done? | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | *sigh* | 17:33 |
| Riddell | not seen anything done | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to repoke previously poked squinky | 17:34 |
| rickspencer3 | wrt kubuntu.org branding | 17:34 |
| rickspencer3 | moving on | 17:34 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, partner update? | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | sure | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | DX team blueprints are accepted and assigned | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | WIs all seem to be there | 17:34 |
| rickspencer3 | (thus the "done" from last week's action item) | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | and we did the first round of weekly releases | 17:35 |
| kenvandine | OLS still has some work on their blueprints | 17:35 |
| rickspencer3 | nice | 17:35 |
| rickspencer3 | urk | 17:35 |
| kenvandine | their's aren't accepted for a series | 17:35 |
| kenvandine | he is working on getting that done today | 17:35 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, I can accept if needed, just PM links | 17:35 |
| kenvandine | so none of them show up in the burn downs | 17:35 |
| kenvandine | sure | 17:35 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, Kubuntu update | 17:36 |
| rickspencer3 | ? | 17:36 |
| rickspencer3 | whilest he is copy and pasting: didrocks, tremolux, I think similar weekly updates on UNE and software center would be nice | 17:37 |
| Riddell | * new versions of KDE 4.5, 4.4, Amarok, KOffice all in | 17:37 |
| Riddell | * merges all done in main | 17:37 |
| Riddell | * alpha 1 now has candidate CDs but not working especially well | 17:37 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: I was just thinking about that, will do for next week :) | 17:37 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: sure | 17:37 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, thanks ... need any help w alpha 1 CDs? | 17:38 |
| Riddell | rickspencer3: don't think so, we'll sort them out | 17:38 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks Riddell | 17:38 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, chrisccoulson ... would it be worthwhile to say a quick word on mozilla updates for stable releases? | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | does it seem on track, etc... | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | ? | 17:39 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, can do, although i haven't prepared ;) | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | (make sure everyone is in the loop) | 17:39 |
| chrisccoulson | so, seb128 sent a call for testing out today | 17:39 |
| seb128 | (seems chrisccoulson is on it) | 17:39 |
| seb128 | ara sent the call for testing | 17:40 |
| seb128 | I did send the announce email | 17:40 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, yes ;) | 17:40 |
| rickspencer3 | is the mozilla release date public knowledge, etc...? | 17:40 |
| chrisccoulson | for hardy, we have firefox and all the extensions up-to-date in the PPA, and i'm currently going through the other xulrunner rdepends | 17:40 |
| chrisccoulson | firefox for jaunty is done | 17:40 |
| chrisccoulson | and we're famous: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMwNw | 17:40 |
| asac | we are famous? | 17:41 |
| chrisccoulson | the 3.6.4 release is scheduled for monday | 17:41 |
| chrisccoulson | asac - well, not entirely ;) | 17:41 |
| chrisccoulson | but word has spread quickly | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | how come when chrisccoulson says this stuff, it's work, but when phoronix republishes it, it's news | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | ? | 17:41 |
| asac | heh | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks for the update chrisccoulson | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | and wow! thanks for all the hard work | 17:42 |
| asac | (oh its meeting ... /me stops) | 17:42 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, you're welcome ;) | 17:42 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg has put in a lot of effort too | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | I think that "thanks" comes from everyone, the team, community, etc... | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks to micahg as well then :) | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | and asac, and ara, and seb128 ;) | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, moving on? | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, release status? | 17:43 |
| seb128 | hey | 17:43 |
| seb128 | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-1.html | 17:43 |
| seb128 | is the chart for alpha1 | 17:44 |
| seb128 | we are a bit behind on this one but alpha1 was rather a target of opportunity for early start | 17:44 |
| seb128 | we are moving things to alpha2 now | 17:44 |
| seb128 | which brings us to http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-2.html | 17:44 |
| seb128 | the trend line is not really adjusted there (will be fixed when pitti reset it for us) | 17:45 |
| seb128 | but we can see we are lagging a bit behind | 17:45 |
| seb128 | we just had 2 long weekends though with holidays in europe and the uk,us | 17:45 |
| seb128 | and people have been busy doing merges or firefox updates | 17:45 |
| seb128 | so I guess we will catch up quickly | 17:45 |
| seb128 | don't forget to set your items to done regularly | 17:45 |
| seb128 | so we can track progress | 17:46 |
| seb128 | that's it | 17:46 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: btw, if you like I can paste a quickly-written software-center summary | 17:46 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, thanks | 17:46 |
| kenvandine | seb128, my last a1 one will be done in a few minutes :) | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, that would be nice | 17:46 |
| tremolux | Progress on desktop-maverick-software-center-front-end (3 work items done) | 17:46 |
| tremolux | Bunch of bug fixes this week, and branch reviews/merged completed that fix memory leak issues, UI tweaks | 17:46 |
| tremolux | For desktop-maverick-opportunistic-apps-stable-release, we have a decision about a repo - will use a PPA | 17:46 |
| tremolux | and mvo and I have been planning the implementation based on that | 17:46 |
| tremolux | also, mvo has begun implementing LP login code, has a branch and will test with LP staging server | 17:46 |
| tremolux | I think that covers the main stuff | 17:47 |
| tremolux | is that what you are looking for? | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, yeah | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | I am particularly interested in ensuring that we are in synch with launchpad team | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | so a check in on their progress each week would be helpful | 17:48 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: yep, understood | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | and good news about deciding on the repo, Let the Games Begin! | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, so I am a bit concerned about our burndown charts, but seb128 covered that well | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 17:49 |
| didrocks | yeah o/ | 17:49 |
| didrocks | once you tested that firefox isn't broken for you :-) I would like to get some testing on oneconf (and not stay in a WFM state) | 17:49 |
| didrocks | I've made a wiki page for that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneConf/Testing | 17:49 |
| didrocks | This contain mostly all the backend (both direct action and dbus activated) and would be nice to test with your setup and report bugs about invalid applications/codec listed or missing | 17:49 |
| didrocks | Bonus point if you test the "diff" feature in using it in more than one host as this is the interesting part :-) | 17:50 |
| didrocks | Otherwise I'm pretty confident on the current state and then, oneconf is just waiting on the plugin interface to be implemented in software-center | 17:50 |
| rickspencer3 | sounds good | 17:50 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: Everyone test mozilla and oneconf | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | any other other business? | 17:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, one small note, could you try using the DesktopTeam namespace maybe, will make easier to find it ;-) | 17:51 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, no | 17:51 |
| seb128 | just a reminder that we should merge on debian | 17:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, updating so right now (the trunk) | 17:51 |
| seb128 | so please take some time doing your merges if you didn't yet ;-) | 17:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 17:51 |
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| rickspencer3 | ACTION: Everyone get caught up on Debian merges | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, I guess that's a wrap? | 17:52 |
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| kenvandine | fast meeting | 17:53 |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:53 |
| didrocks | thanks ;) | 17:53 |
| chrisccoulson | 23 minutes ;) | 17:53 |
| chrisccoulson | oh | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | uhoh | 17:53 |
| chrisccoulson | does anyone testing hardy find it really annoying that the buttons are on the right? | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | haha | 17:54 |
| chrisccoulson | perhaps we should do a SRU to move them ;) | 17:54 |
| seb128 | thanks rickspencer3 | 17:54 |
| tremolux | chrisccoulson: ha! yeah, I'm converted now too | 17:54 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i keep moving my mouse to the left now | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | I always hit alt-space to manage windows | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | it's like the slowest keyboard way of doing it, but I have been doing that for years | 17:55 |
| seb128 | what does alt-space do? | 17:56 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i just tried that. it seems quite awkward to do | 17:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you reset the trend lines for us? | 17:56 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - it opens the window menu | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | well, I do alt-c then c, for example | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | I don't actually read the menu | 17:56 |
| seb128 | oh, right | 17:57 |
| pitti | seb128, rickspencer3: alpha-N trend line will reset automatically once alpha-(N-1) is released | 17:57 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 17:57 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, ack | 17:57 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, how about what ivanka and TheDoctor are asking about in email? | 17:58 |
| pitti | seb128: I did that for the entire cycle, AFAIR | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | about the design team work items? | 17:58 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I'll get to it; sorry, too much distraction today with alpha-1 stuff | 17:58 |
| seb128 | pitti, when will it be updated? | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, understood | 17:58 |
| seb128 | pitti, this night I guess? | 17:58 |
| pitti | 'canonical-desktop-team': 253, | 17:59 |
| pitti | ('canonical-desktop-team', 'maverick-alpha-1'): 8, | 17:59 |
| pitti | ('canonical-desktop-team', 'maverick-alpha-2'): 130, | 17:59 |
| pitti | that's what I committed some hours ago | 17:59 |
| pitti | it should be current _now_ | 17:59 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html looks just fine to me | 17:59 |
| pitti | and the other ones match those numbers as well | 18:00 |
| pitti | seb128: so what's actually wrong? | 18:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, the trend line start at 256? | 18:00 |
| seb128 | I though the reset would give one bar | 18:00 |
| seb128 | with the line starting today at 290 | 18:01 |
| pitti | seb128: no, then we'd need to drop history entirely, and that affects charts from other teams as well | 18:01 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 18:01 |
| pitti | next time we need to define a clear spec drafting cutoff point | 18:01 |
| pitti | at which we purge the entire DB | 18:01 |
| pitti | per-team purging messes up other charts and doesn't work | 18:01 |
| seb128 | ok, makes sense | 18:01 |
| pitti | (for items that other team's members do for your's, and vice versa) | 18:01 |
| seb128 | thanks, sorry for the noise | 18:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you have an example of redirection with moinsmoinswiki? | 18:03 |
| seb128 | no | 18:03 |
| seb128 | I'm not a wiki user | 18:03 |
| seb128 | but don't bother for this one now | 18:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I'll note for later :) | 18:04 |
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| chrisccoulson | can anybody get liferea working in hardy before the mozilla update? | 18:48 |
| chrisccoulson | it just freezes here :/ | 18:48 |
| vish | didrocks: for redirect, in the old page just add: | 18:53 |
| vish | #redirect NameOfNewWiki | 18:53 |
| didrocks | vish: thanks :) | 19:01 |
| vish | np. :) | 19:01 |
| chrisccoulson | the webkit version of epiphany feels like a downgrade from the gecko version :( | 19:31 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't even get my extra mouse buttons to work properly | 19:31 |
| seb128 | right | 19:31 |
| seb128 | not a lot we can do about that though | 19:31 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it seems a bit sub-optimal for a security update though | 19:32 |
| seb128 | it does indeed | 19:32 |
| seb128 | there is probably not so many users on epiphany and still !lucid though | 19:33 |
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| arand | didrocks: Since you seem to look out for metacity, are you aware of Bug #584287 (and would you mind grabbing the patch?) | 20:55 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 584287 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Unexpected X error (BadDrawable) causing metacity to abort in maverick (affects: 7) (dups: 1) (heat: 60)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584287 | 20:55 |
| dupondje | hi guys, did somebody already check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/584287 ? | 21:18 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 584287 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Unexpected X error (BadDrawable) causing metacity to abort in maverick (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 60)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ could you look at this one tomorrow? | 21:36 |
| fagan | I can confirm it too | 21:37 |
| seb128 | dupondje, some people mentioned it before but most people are not running maverick yet or using compiz | 21:37 |
| arand | seb128: From my experience and the talk in ubuntu+1 I would consider it fully confirmed along with the patch by Fabien Tassin confirmed to fix it, not sure if it's the right way to fix it though.. | 21:42 |
| seb128 | arand, nobody said it was considered confirmed | 21:43 |
| seb128 | we just have nobody who works on this sofware right now | 21:43 |
| dupondje | i'm checking it atm, but have to do the dishes :'( | 21:46 |
| rlameiro | hello everyone | 21:47 |
| rlameiro | how can I add a link to switch keyboard layout on 10.04? | 21:48 |
| seb128 | rlameiro, hi, try #ubuntu for user questions | 21:48 |
| rlameiro | in Karmic it had that option, but in lucid its missing. | 21:48 |
| rlameiro | well, i asked in here because this is made by this team, if someone removed this functionality it is the desktop team | 21:49 |
| rlameiro | but ok i will go there... | 21:49 |
| seb128 | no, if somebody removed this option it's the software writers | 21:49 |
| arand | seb128: Yea, just your comment before sounded a bit doubting :) And didrocks did do a merge not too long ago... But anyways, just making sure people are aware (since it breaks firefox) | 21:50 |
| seb128 | arand, how is firefox broken? flashplayer or decorations? | 21:50 |
| dupondje | decorations | 21:51 |
| seb128 | arand, in any case it's a different issue than the one listed before | 21:51 |
| dupondje | it flickers like hell | 21:51 |
| dupondje | unusable | 21:51 |
| dupondje | same for thunderbird etc | 21:51 |
| fagan | seb128: is rgba supposed to be on by default yet? | 21:51 |
| fagan | or is that coming later | 21:51 |
| seb128 | fagan, depends of what you call on | 21:51 |
| seb128 | the theme doesn't use it | 21:51 |
| fagan | seb128: ah that must be it | 21:52 |
| fagan | I was wondering I saw that csd was turned on but didnt get any rgba | 21:52 |
| arand | seb128: as long as firefox is present metacity is completely bust, cannot change focus or input, only if firefox is closed it comes back working, and one can get a terminal and --replace metcity as well... | 21:54 |
| dobey | hrmm | 21:59 |
| dobey | what does 'waiting for approval' mean for an upload for lucid-proposed? | 22:01 |
| geser | an archive admin has to press a button and let it through (accept it into the archive) | 22:04 |
| dobey | ah ok | 22:04 |
| geser | usually that also includes some checks like SRU ack and correct versioning | 22:04 |
| seb128 | dobey, sru need to be reviewed by the sru team before being accepted though | 22:05 |
| seb128 | so make sure you follow the sru rules | 22:05 |
| seb128 | you need to subscribe the sru team and have a testcase and a debdiff to review on the bug | 22:06 |
| dobey | seb128: before being accepted in -proposed? or just in the main archive? | 22:06 |
| seb128 | hum? | 22:06 |
| seb128 | there is only one upload target for stable updates | 22:06 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure to understand the question | 22:06 |
| seb128 | lucid is stable, ie locked | 22:06 |
| seb128 | nothing go to lucid now | 22:07 |
| dobey | right | 22:07 |
| dobey | maybe i'm confused about the process for sru then. but i thought fix in -proposed and it gets testing and then is approved to go to -updates | 22:08 |
| dobey | (or isn't approved if testing points that direction instead) | 22:08 |
| james_w | there's a first check as to whether it is suitable, and whether the rationale is good, there is a test case etc. | 22:09 |
| james_w | then there is the check as to whether it passed verification before it lands in -updates | 22:09 |
| seb128 | dobey, you are right | 22:09 |
| seb128 | but it's reviewed first | 22:09 |
| james_w | no point in testing something that won't be accepted later | 22:09 |
| dobey | ah, ok, right | 22:09 |
| dobey | sorry :) | 22:09 |
| seb128 | no worry :-) | 22:10 |
| seb128 | no worry :-) | 22:10 |
| seb128 | ups | 22:10 |
| seb128 | I should really turn touchpad off and use a mouse again there | 22:10 |
| dobey | heh | 22:11 |
| dobey | just buy a smaller laptop that doesn't have room for a touchpad :) | 22:12 |
| dobey | seb128: ok, most everything was done already for the bug anyway (already nominated, sru team subscribed, TEST CASE documented...), so I just attached the debdiff from my upload :) | 22:20 |
| dobey | seb128: bug is #571548 | 22:20 |
| seb128 | dobey, ok, so you just need to have somebody from the sru team to review now | 22:21 |
| dobey | yep | 22:21 |
| dobey | thanks | 22:21 |
| dupondje | ok | 22:42 |
| dupondje | without client side decoration patch | 22:42 |
| dupondje | metacity works ! | 22:42 |
| rickspencer3 | oh shuks | 23:58 |
| rickspencer3 | 2 minutes until Eastern Edition | 23:58 |
| TheMuso | heh | 23:58 |
| RAOF | tick, tick, tick... :) | 23:59 |
| * rickspencer3 gets IRC log onto woki | 23:59 | |
| rickspencer3 | the wiki too | 23:59 |
| rickspencer3 | I haven't told you guys about the woki yet | 23:59 |
| rickspencer3 | but it will be cool, and not at all a type | 23:59 |
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