LLStarkscjwatson, who keeps pushing back apt-sync/delta-debs?00:12
Laibschpitti: are you going to assume reponsibility for the regression you introduced in bug 580961 or not?00:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 580961 in unzip (Ubuntu) "unzip fails to deal correctly with filename encodings" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58096100:35
LaibschIs asking you to forward-port an existing patch really too much to ask?00:36
ionlaibsch: Judging from the bug comments, it seems to me he’ll be happy to sponsor a patch. Have you made one yet?00:46
Laibschwhy is the burden to provide the patch on me?00:46
Laibschhe dropped the patch (introducing the regression) assuming the patch was no longer needed00:47
LaibschI don't blame him for that00:47
LaibschSomebody will need to forward-port the patch to unzip 6.x00:47
LaibschI'm sorry that won't be me, not because I don't want to, but because I can't00:47
LaibschI think he should accept that he's the one that should do this unless somebody steps up to the plate and volunteers00:48
Laibsch"I'm not being paid anymore to work in this area" is ultra-lame00:48
aSt3raLhow do i compile with a makefile and redirect the output to a file in bash?01:31
RAOFmake > foo.  Just like any other redirection.01:33
aSt3raLmake > make.log 2>&1 actually01:43
aSt3raLthanks though01:43
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arandBug #588076 Is http://pastebin.com/128hP8jq (which I have confirmed to work) something which is sane to do?01:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 588076 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "[FTBFS] rhythmbox tries to define "pause", which is already used by unistd.h" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58807601:57
arand↑↑ Nevermind, someone fixed it in git already :)02:01
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pittiGood morning05:17
pittiScottK: seems someone beat me to it; soprano is built now05:17
pittiwgrant: ah, fun; I had expected that the diff generation was the performance critical bit, and that a mere regex match over the .changes was cheap?05:18
Semperfi40Is this a support channel?05:49
micahg!support | Semperfi4005:50
ubottuSemperfi40: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Please be aware that this channel is for development only.05:50
Semperfi40*Sad face* Bleh I'll just wait for more useful people to join that channel then. *Wanders back over to the ubuntu channel*05:52
wgrantpitti: Well, the diff generation is done by a cron job.06:33
wgrantpitti: +queue is notoriously timeoutish.06:33
wgrantHowever, we store the .changes' changelog section in the DB, so I can access it quickly and do something like http://people.ubuntu.com/~wgrant/launchpad/changelog-in-queue.png06:35
wgrantOr I could extract just the numbers, if I can find somewhere good to put them.06:35
pittiwgrant: timeoutish> heh, I noticed; binNEWing kernels is fun06:35
pittiwgrant: adding expanders to the queue items to see the .changes (similar to e. g. the PPA +packages view) is out of the questin?06:36
wgrantpitti: That's what the screenshot shows, isn't it?06:37
pittioh, right; that'd be nice indeed!06:37
wgrantIt's a bit different on +queue, since at the moment all of the expandy bits are rendered as part of the main page, whereas in PPAs they're AJAX loaded.06:37
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wgrantSo there's only so much we can safely throw into +queue before we AJAXify it.06:38
pittiwgrant: ah, I see06:38
wgrantBut this particular change requires no more DB queries, so it's safe enough.06:38
pittiwgrant: well, I guess we'd keep our sru-review helper script either way06:38
pittiit currently parses out the bugs from the .changes, creates the debdiff, and opens all the affected bugs in the browser06:39
pittiand creates a command line for sru-accept.py06:39
pittiI expect we want to keep those, and just change it to grab the diff from LP instead of having to download the two packages and run debdiff06:39
wgrantsru-accept.py does the commenting on the bug thing as well, I guess?06:39
pittithe diff is the expensive part from the client side, so with this existing now I'm actually really happy :)06:40
wgrantAnd I guess it screenscrapes? :/06:40
pittiwgrant: s-accept adds a "test me" comment, sets tags, subscribes folks, and updates task status, yes06:40
pittiwgrant: sru-review screenscrapes the queue, right06:41
wgrantI'm not sure how often the diff generation cron job is running, so it could take a few minutes to show up.06:42
pittithat should be fine06:42
pittiwe aren't usually reviewing SRUs *that* closely :)06:42
pittizul: seems your last samba merge in maverick reintroduced the ctdb b-dep; this was already discussed before (bug 497035), can this be dropped again? samba currently doesn't build because of that, and causes some uninstallability07:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 497035 in ctdb (Ubuntu) "MIR for ctdb" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49703507:03
pittizul: I'll just drop ctdb again, if that's alright with you07:13
dholbachgood morning07:15
pittihey dholbach, good morning!07:16
dholbachhey pitti07:16
pittiapw: good morning!07:22
pittiapw: I guess there's not much hope for bug 587888 to be fixed for alpha-1?07:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 587888 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "aufs oops in au_do_open() on maverick live system boot" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58788807:22
pittiapw: we can release alpha-1 without deskop images, it's not the end of the world07:22
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pittiRiddell, ScottK: so kdebase-plasma depends plasma-widget-folderview, but p-w-f conflicts kdebase-plasma; what's the solution here?07:48
pittiJontheEchidna: ^ or maybe you know?07:49
mneptokpitti: "use GNOME"07:53
* mneptok whistles innocently07:53
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dholbachpitti: I'll unassign ~kubuntu-dev from bug 588150 - else every core-dev will get an email08:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 588150 in kdeedu (Ubuntu Maverick) "build-depends on avogadro, which is in universe" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58815008:00
pittidholbach: ah, sorry about that08:00
dholbachdoes core-dev need to be a member of kubuntu-dev?08:01
pittifor bzr branch committing, I suppose08:01
dholbachwe should just use source package branches - that'd solve all those problems :)08:01
dholbachour acl <-> team membership landscape gets more and more complicated08:02
dholbachRiddell: ^ which team do you suggest for this bug?08:02
dholbachor ScottK maybe ^08:02
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dupondjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-central/+bug/588156 => any comments on the merge ? :)08:18
ubottuUbuntu bug 588156 in python-central (Ubuntu) "Please merge python-central 0.6.16 (main) from debian unstable" [Undecided,New]08:18
pittimr_pouit: FYI, I'm removing a couple of langpacks from the xubuntu alternate to fix the oversizedness; for those early alphas that doesn't matter much, I suppose08:18
pittinext build should be okay08:19
summersi would like to invite everyone to my new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots08:48
summers+o for everyone08:48
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apacheloggerjames_w: hullos! is there any documentation on launchpad recipes? or examples for that matter09:13
geserCould a core-dev please give back: lftp libnice mdbtools transfig. Thanks.09:32
pittigeser: doing09:34
LucidFoxSo, there is no longer separate ubuntu-main-sponsors and ubuntu-universe-sponsors, but rather a single ubuntu-sponsors?10:04
LucidFoxSo, I heard there are plans to enable GTK RGBA by default in maverick?10:12
RAOFLucidFox: Not so much “plans” as “it's currently breaking emacs-gtk” :)10:14
LucidFoxIs there a special tag for software that breaks it?10:14
LucidFoxfor bug reports, that is10:14
seb128there is already a list of those10:15
seb128banshee, emacs, flashplayer, etc, etc10:15
LucidFoxisn't gtk-csd for client-side decorations?10:16
seb128LucidFox, client side decoration and rgba are in the same changeset10:21
seb128LucidFox, csd requires rgba10:21
seb128we don't need 2 different tags to track the same changeset issues10:22
seb128the idea is to have those bugs listed, not to be strict about matching tags wording ;-)10:22
LucidFoxYou see, the reason I'm asking is because I've had a patch lying for a while for xchat-gnome crash: bug #9202810:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 92028 in xchat-gnome (Ubuntu) "xchat does not do composite transparency, crashes if transparency is enabled with GTK RGBA" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9202810:24
LucidFoxnormally I'd upload it myself, but xchat-gnome happens to be in main (why, by the way?)10:24
seb128because it's our recommended IRC client10:24
seb128it's on the DVD I think10:24
seb128I'm fine sponsoring a debdiff if you have one10:25
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Riddelldholbach: kubuntu bugs can go to kubuntu-bugs I guess10:34
seb128apw, hi10:34
seb128apw, you have alpha1 work items on10:34
seb128are those still going to happen?10:34
seb128RAOF, ^10:35
dholbachthanks Riddell10:35
zygaev, mvo: hello, any chance for that apt bash tab completion issue?10:35
evzyga: I've already uploaded a fix.10:35
zygaev: lovely, thanks :-)10:35
evdo let me know if you're still having issues10:36
evonce it's built and installed, that is10:36
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RAOFseb128: I'm unsure about apw's items there, but they still can be done by alpha-1; they don't require any archive uploads.  Perhaps apw's planning to do them during the freeze?10:38
seb128RAOF, ok, I was just checking in case you knew since those specs are assigned to you10:39
seb128RAOF, I will check with apw when he's around, thanks10:39
* apw looks blearily at seb128 and RAOF 10:40
apwthey are on my list to do, i think the ones you are referring to are small so there is definatly hope10:41
seb128apw, if they are still on target for alpha1 that's fine, I'm just checking what should be moved to alpha2 now10:42
RAOFIt's: review the crazy intel GTT coherency patch (I think there's actually a newer version of that available), and a little wayland checking.10:42
apwRAOF, a newer version ?10:42
seb128apw, RAOF: thanks10:42
apwRAOF, got a reference to that one10:43
RAOFapw: I'll check on the bug.  There was recent activity there, and there have been at least 9 versions of the patch, so it's non obvious to track. :)10:43
apwRAOF, heh sounds like a nightmare as normal, best if i review and package up the right one tho.10:44
RAOF_Man_ that bug has a lot of duplicates.10:45
RAOFSucks to have an i845 card, too.  That bug's similar, but without anyone really working on it.10:45
stentenDo you need a link to the latest upstream version of that patch?10:46
RAOFapw: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=35548 is the v9 patch against drm-intel-next as of 2010/05/10.10:46
RAOFIt's missed the 2.6.35 merge window, and there appear to _still_ be reports of GTT incoherency even with that patch.10:47
RAOFYay hardware!10:47
apwRAOF, and this is the fix meant to fix the 8xx intel h/w ... right ?10:48
Sarvattbackporting things to intel 2.7.1 as a forked driver, turning off KMS for 8xx and adding the fork to the xserver autoconfig logic so it's automatically loaded for !KMS because -intel is KMS only really seems like the way to go at this point10:48
RAOFapw: It's meant to fix i855. i845 has a similar problem, but no patch.  And then there are other i8xx cards…10:48
Sarvattapw: *one* specific 8xx10:48
hrwintel 8xx... nightmare10:48
apwSarvatt, i thought we already had 8xx KMS disabled now, and it was causing issues for some people who used to work ?10:49
hrwbb in few10:50
Sarvattapw: they're still using the newer xserver-xorg-video-intel, those GPU's were never made to work the way the modern driver is assuming and it's just getting worse and worse10:50
LucidFoxseb128> Debdiff uploaded10:51
apwSarvatt, so you are saying leave the kernel as is (disable KMS for 8xx) and fix the Xserver to use an older -intel drop for those cards only10:51
seb128LucidFox, thanks10:51
RAOFapw: Yup.  That was the outcome at the Xorg-in-Maverick overview session.10:52
apwRAOF, so does it even make sense to look at this patch then?10:53
RAOFapw: It'd be nice to apply to Lucid.10:53
* apw shudders ... i can hear martin and stefan screaming already10:54
RAOFWhere we *don't* have an old intel driver.10:54
Sarvattproblem is the old driver could still be screwed up with the newer kernel, it's something that needs testing10:54
RAOFSarvatt: Should be much less likely, though; it won't be using the gem interfaces, right?10:54
RAOFOr will be using a much more restricted subset.10:54
Sarvatt>ubuntu-x :)10:56
ogracould an archive admin let my x-loader-omap4 package into the archive (sitting in NEW)11:00
LucidFoxhttp://live.gnome.org/GTK+/ClientSideDecorations <-- Woo, wayland is a goal11:07
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cjwatsoncould somebody KDEish look into the uim FTBFS?  It ends up triggering a minor but irritating Soyuz bug during autosyncs for reasons too tedious to explain in full ...11:27
Riddellmm, ok11:29
gesercjwatson: could you please sync the new source package "git"? the source package "git-core" (in Ubuntu main) got renamed to "git" (it's not urgent)11:30
Riddellgeser: I'm on archive admin duty today, file a bug and I'll get to it11:31
geserRiddell: ok11:31
dholbachjames_w: how can I move https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~arky/ubuntu/karmic/qemulator/fix-257233/+merge/11510 from "Needs review" to something else?11:33
pitticjwatson, slangasek, ScottK, Riddell: I just updated queuediff to use the LP generated debdiffs instead of building it itself; much less to download now11:34
pitti(the old version also broke on 3.0 format with current edge)11:34
highvoltagemdz: I thought that you might like this video about motivation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc11:37
pittijdong: I just updated queuediff to use the LP generated debdiffs instead of building it itself; much less to download now11:39
LucidFoxSo, is CSD/RGBA now enabled by default in Maverick? I see it was patched into GTK 11 days ago.11:40
wgrantpitti: Note that it's only on edge at the moment.11:40
pittiwgrant: yep, that's fine11:40
seb128LucidFox, the patch is there but the theme doesn't use it11:40
seb128LucidFox, the patch is there but the theme doesn't use it11:40
LucidFoxBut RGBA can be forced with gnome-color-chooser, like with the Lucid RGBA PPA?11:41
wgrantpitti: (also, good luck reviewing udev SRUs with that... we blacklist it since it causes debdiff to generate infinite output)11:41
wgrantBut I guess that's probably a problem locally anyway.11:41
pittiwgrant: hm, the uploaded orig.tar.gz's shouldn't; we filter out the test /sys tree11:42
wgrantMaybe it's fixed now. This has been in place for a while.11:42
ionI should get around to reporting a bug against whatever GUI library Vuze uses. Some horrible Java hack that abuses Gtk in a similar way to Firefox and OpenOffice. Since the Gtk patch, Vuze crashes on startup.11:43
mdzhighvoltage, thanks, I've read about this research but it's nice to have a concise summary like this11:43
seb128thanks to whoever does sru reviewing11:44
pittiseb128: de rien11:45
seb128pitti, oh, it's you? ;-)11:45
* seb128 hugs pitti11:45
pittiI've got some room in between alpha-1 juggling11:45
seb128sorry it's sticking so much to you though11:45
seb128somebody should perhaps do a call for extra members to join the sru team now?11:45
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geserRiddell: bug 588237; I'm not sure if it needs a sponsor ACK or not, therefore I decided for the safe side (sponsoring)11:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 588237 in git (Ubuntu) "Sync git 1:1.7.1-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main) [replaces git-core]" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58823711:47
pittiseb128: as soon as we'll get a new release manager, it should get better11:48
james_wdholbach: currently it is broken and you aren't able to do it, so I did it for you11:51
* dholbach hugs jam11:51
* dholbach hugs james_w11:51
LucidFox"Horrible Java hack"? SWT is a wrapper around GTK...11:53
LucidFoxAs opposed to Firefox and OpenOffice, which use their own toolkits for rendering and only query GTK for widget appearance11:53
LucidFoxBut I did run into problems with SWT and RGBA, to the point that I had to blacklist Eclipse.11:54
Chipzzisn't being written in Java enough to qualify as a horrible hack as such? :P11:59
newubuntuusrHello, is therea developer online?11:59
sorenNo. It's quite a phenomenon, really. All of the worlds hundreds of thousands of software developers all just logged off the internet two minutes ago.12:00
ograapart from soren indeed12:01
sorenI'm not a developer. I just play one on IRC.12:01
Chipzzis soren a developer? :p12:01
ograhe is dressed like one12:02
* soren chuckles12:02
ograbut that might just be part of the playing :)12:02
Chipzzwith some ppl you just know up front that this is the wrong channel for them12:03
Chipzz"newubuntuusr" is kind of a dead giveaway12:03
Chipzzin such cases, I'm very inclined to urge ppl to pls read the topic before asking further questions12:04
SarvattLucidFox: try the darkroom theme12:18
LucidFoxSarvatt> I will, after I get home and install Maverick :)12:18
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sorenpitti: About the check SRU: I approved the nomination for Lucid myself (someone else nominated it). After doing it, I couldn't help but wonder if I should have left that to ubuntu-sru? The wiki doesn't say.12:30
pittisoren: approving tasks is fine, and appreciated12:30
pittiso I don't have to do the extra clickery :)12:30
sorenpitti: Ok, good. So the SRU team's ACK is a nudge towards the archive admins to accept it?12:31
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pittisoren: right12:31
sorenpitti: Ok, lovely. That explains. Thanks.12:31
mvodoko: what should we do with the powerpc SPU extension in crash? you introduced it in ~2007 and I was wondering if its still important to keep or if we can simply sync the debian package12:40
dokomvo: well, lucid still runs on the ps3 ...12:42
mvodoko: ok, just wanted to check before porting it over12:44
mvodoko: thanks12:44
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Gkirkland: oh, did you see, upstream submitted an updated patch, going to test it tonight13:06
Gkirkland: for the libvirt bug that is13:06
ttxmvo: bug 223741 is due to people trying to do LTS->LTS before the .1 release, right ? If you confirm, i'll close it as invalid13:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 223741 in update-manager-core (Ubuntu) "'do-release-upgrade' requires the '-d' flag to upgrade from dapper to hardy, and from hardy to lucid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22374113:20
mvottx: yeah, until .1 that needs either "-d" or "--proposed"13:24
ttxmvo: ok, will clean up13:24
mvothanks ttx13:24
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kirklandg: i didn't see that yet, but that's excellent news13:37
ograRiddell, i'd appreciate if x-loader-omap4 and u-boot-omap4 couls get out of NEW some time today (no hurry though)13:41
Gkirkland: tbh, I think the new patch will work just fine13:43
Gkirkland: I've got a feeling it could also prevent the change issue that I couldn't reproduce13:44
h0ar3hi devels13:45
h0ar3how can I checkout its source?13:45
hrwI would try "bzr clone lp:wubi"13:46
h0ar3what is bzr13:46
h0ar3I'm on windows13:46
hrwYou can browse the source code for the development focus branch or get a copy of the branch using the command:13:46
hrwbzr branch lp:wubi13:46
hrwthat is on page there13:46
hrwbzr is scm used by ubuntu13:46
ograhrw, only if you pick a branch and click it :)13:46
hrwogra: I went to page which h0ar3 gave13:47
h0ar3works on windows?13:47
hrwh0ar3: yes13:47
h0ar3why do need this13:47
hrwh0ar3: ?13:47
h0ar3there is svn,git,mercurial13:48
h0ar3seems reinvented the whell13:49
hrwthere is also perforce and zillion others13:49
hrwbut ubuntu uses bzr13:49
hrwaccept it13:49
* hrw wants bitkeeper13:49
cjwatsonbzr predates git, for the recor13:50
cjwatsonit predates mercurial too13:51
JontheEchidnapitti: I want to testbuild to see if dropping the avogadro build-dep was the only thing I forgot to push to bzr, then I'll upload a fix13:52
pittiJontheEchidna: nice, thanks!13:53
pittiJontheEchidna: btw, I rebuilt the current alternates, they seem fine now13:53
pittiJontheEchidna: dropping kdebase-plasma seems to have solved/worked aroudn both problems13:53
hrwcjwatson: what about monotone?13:53
JontheEchidnapitti: nice13:53
cjwatsonmonotone was a slightly earlier generation - I think it was one of the things Martin looked at when he did the initial bzr design13:54
cjwatsonit was kind of more the tla generation I think13:55
hrwcjwatson: I remember that in 2005 when OpenEmbedded devs tested existing dscms we moved to monotone from bitkeeper. bzr was rejected at that time13:56
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Gkirkland: btw, not sure if you've seen 455832 but it might also be an option to include, not sure what policy you guys have to follow though14:04
ograpitti, can you reset the trend line on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html at some point (not urgent)14:07
pittiogra: to which number?14:07
ograpitti, 46 if i'm counting correctly14:09
pittiogra: for alpha-1 as well?14:09
ograpitti, hmm, i have to check that, i dont think we have actual A1 targets14:10
ograits all A214:10
pittiogra: ok, a2 will auto-reset past a1, so that's fine then14:10
pittiogra: committed; just missed this hour's cron, though14:10
ogragreat, thanks14:11
cjwatsonJontheEchidna: is bug 517962 already fixed in maverick, or does it need an upload?14:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 517962 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu Lucid) "nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in Soprano::Plugin::pluginName()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51796214:29
JontheEchidnacjwatson: ah, it's fixed in maverick now14:30
JontheEchidnacjwatson: closed14:30
jdstrandseb128: hi! so, evolution has under Edit/Preferences/Composer Preferences the following: 'Top Posting Option (Not Recommened)'. While I would certainly not enable the option personally, it seems rather non-Ubuntu-like to have the '(Not Recommended)'. Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like a developer asserting his/her preference on bottom-posting14:30
jdstrandseb128: rather than any 'real' issue with the functionality14:31
seb128jdstrand, hey, indeed14:31
jdstrandseb128: obviously not anything important, but thought it might be a string to consider stripping out14:31
seb128jdstrand, could you open a bug on launchpad? (and to GNOME if you want, we will do it otherwise)14:32
jdstrandseb128: sure14:32
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james_wapachelogger: thanks to dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/GettingStarted14:39
jdstrandseb128: done and done14:39
seb128jdstrand, thanks and thanks ;-)14:39
jdstrandhe and he14:40
ograRiddell, thanks a lot !!14:45
geserhas someone an idea why building "steam" in maverick failed on i386 and powerpc (xslt.c:(.text+0x1bb4): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail_local') but succeeded on amd64 and armel? [https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/2.2.31-6ubuntu1]14:46
Riddellogra: just doing my archive admin duties :)14:47
smoserKeybuk, are you around?14:49
Keybuksmoser: no, I'm asquare14:49
smoserindeed L714:49
smoseryou may or may not be aware that there are people interested in running ubuntu in lxc (containers).  The attempts to do so that i'm aware of look like: http://github.com/phbaer/lxc-tools/blob/master/lxc-ubuntu14:50
KeybukI am aware14:50
smoserreportedly that works on lucid.  i'd like to get your impressions on how difficult it would be to get "proper" support in upstart14:50
smoserand what you think of something like the above.14:51
Keybukthat's a very long shell script that does a lot of changing of things14:51
smoseri'm willing to type email so you can process when you have time.14:51
Keybukso technically speaking, that's not Ubuntu in the container14:51
Keybukand can never be something we can support14:51
smoseryes, i agree. (its not *very* long), but yes.14:51
smoserso those were my first thoughts14:51
smoserbut, the script basically gives some what of a recipe to fix the things that don't "justwork" with ubuntu boot.14:52
KeybukI would rather they fixed the things that make the ubuntu boot not work with lxc14:52
Keybukas clearly that's an lxc issue14:52
smoserwell, sort of.14:53
smosersome things are "lxc issues" . some things are not really possible to change.14:53
smoserits basically a bit of a more functional chroot.14:53
Riddellogra: E: u-boot-omap4: upstream-version-not-numeric L24.6-p1git20100520-0ubuntu114:53
ograRiddell, yes, wanted14:54
smoserso /dev isn't going to be there, you don't have block devices with partitions and filesystems, its much more like nfs root in that sense.14:54
ograRiddell, i'm using the TI upstream system14:54
Riddellogra: ok, accepted binary14:54
smoserso some things probably can be "fixed" in lxc, but others are probably going to need some adjustments in ubuntu boot process.14:55
* ogra digs for the FTBFS of x-loader-omap414:55
Keybuksmoser: the best way for that to happen would be for someone who knows and uses lxc to get interested in ubuntu boot14:55
Keybukand maybe sign copyright for upstart, etc.14:55
smoserKeybuk, thanks for your time. i'll stop pestering for now.14:56
KeybukI don't mean to brush off, but there's only one of me, I have limited time and knowledge14:56
kirklandbug 45583214:57
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list.index(x): x not in list (https://launchpad.net/bugs/455832)14:57
smoserKeybuk, completely understand.14:57
KeybukI'm really not, personally, interested in things like servers, cloud, containers, etc.14:57
Keybukso I'm the wrong person to work on that kind of thing in Ubuntu/Upstart14:57
smoserunfortunately, at the moment, i dont think there is a better person.14:58
smoserKeybuk, one other question, i nfs root generally supported?15:05
Keybukit's known broken15:05
ograis there any way to replace a broken symlink with a dir using patch ?15:21
ScottKpitti: Nice (re queuediff).15:33
dokoasac, seb128: which library should I use, when libmozjs.so is needed?15:45
ogra_Riddell, x-loader-omap4 in binary NEW now (sorry for the delay it had FTBFS)15:55
Davieykirkland: Off the top of your head.. do you know which bug WalrusRESTBinding.java refers to?16:02
kirklandDaviey: hmm, no16:02
Davieykirkland: things like, -putQueue = getWriteMessenger().getQueue(key, randomKey);16:03
Daviey+putQueue = getWriteMessenger().interruptAllAndGetQueue(key, randomKey)16:03
Davieykirkland: the diff i have, http://paste.ubuntu.com/442846/16:05
* kirkland checks loggerhead16:06
Davieykirkland: good luck with that :/16:06
kirklandDaviey: hmm, where is this from?16:08
kirklandDaviey: is this a patch we're carrying, or a diff?16:08
Davieykirkland: it's a reverse diff created from the difference between our lucid magic, and the current 1.6.2 head.16:08
kirklandDaviey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/eucalyptus/ubuntu/annotate/head:/clc/modules/wsstack/src/main/java/com/eucalyptus/ws/handlers/WalrusRESTBinding.java16:09
kirklandDaviey: starting there?16:09
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Davieykirkland: Yeah.. but i'm trying to work out if there is anything we need to carry from there, into the 1.6.2 head branch.16:10
Davieyie, lucid -> 1.6.2 branch doesn't cleanly merge on that file.16:11
Davieyand the generated diff is that pastebin.16:11
kirklandDaviey: in your pastebin, which is the - and which is hte + ?16:12
Daviey- = lucid16:12
Daviey+ = 1.6.2 branch16:12
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kirklandDaviey: i think you can safely drop this16:15
kirklandDaviey: drop our diff, i mean16:15
Davieykirkland: yup, thought so.16:15
kirklandDaviey: the new code looks to be a better code16:16
apacheloggerjames_w: now that was too obvious, thanks :)16:35
james_wapachelogger: not linked from /DailyBuilds though, so I'll let you off :-)16:36
* james_w fixes16:36
apacheloggerphew ^^16:36
james_woh, it is, right at the top16:36
* apachelogger hides16:36
apacheloggerjames_w: http://imagebin.ca/view/xt3ktt6.html yet the wiki says "Source Package Name: if the package exists in Ubuntu, make the right connection here."16:45
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james_wapachelogger: I thought that box had been dropped. Did you enter the source package name that the recipe will create?16:46
apacheloggerjames_w: doesnt work since the package is not yet in ubuntu :/16:47
james_wapachelogger: so if you put it in there it says "This isn't an Ubuntu package"16:47
apacheloggerjames_w: "Invalid value" it says16:47
apacheloggerIf I search "No items matched "ubuntuone-kde"."16:48
james_wapachelogger: that sucks16:48
james_wapachelogger: please file a bug16:48
apacheloggerjames_w: against soyuz or what?16:49
james_wapachelogger: it may be that the option has already been removed in the code, and just not rolled out, but we should track it again16:49
james_wapachelogger: um, launchpad-code I think16:49
apacheloggeroh-k :)16:49
apacheloggerjames_w: can I enter any random package name for that? I suppose it is only for linking the data?16:49
apacheloggerjames_w: bug 51558116:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 515581 in Launchpad Bazaar Integration "Recipe requires sourcepackagename before upload" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51558116:51
james_wapachelogger: I have no idea what it is used for16:53
apacheloggeroh, one can also upload to a PPA and it will show up as source package name16:54
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asacdoko: try to get rid of it ... 2nd try to get rid of it ... 3rd. use xulrunner with xulrunner --gre-version hack to figure LD_LIBRARY_PATH at startup17:28
dokoasac: 1 and 2 won't work, 3 is ugly. it's dehydra which I try packaging17:36
dokoasac: what's wrong with libmozjs-dev in debian?17:36
asacdoko: no ABI stability17:37
asacalways send a mail upstream and say they should move asap to webkit javascript core17:37
asacdoko: and then use the ugly way until they have resolved it or block it from the archive if that would help getting it done upstream sooner17:37
asacdoko: alternatively, you could talk to chrisccoulson ... if we want mozjs we need to package it from independent source and then take care that noone who has insecure remote content exposure uses that17:40
dokoasac: that would be good. usually gcc doesn't have these problems17:43
asacdoko: why is gcc using mozjs?17:46
asaccant we get rid of that?17:46
asacactually i hoped that such a package could at least live in universe17:47
dokoasac: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Dehydra17:49
micahg1doko: will you be around a little later (2 hrs)?  I need to chat with you about openjdk in hardy17:51
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lfaraoneIf I post to ubuntu-devel with my personal email address (which I used to subscribe, and is listed in LP) will the email be moderated? (I'm an ~ubuntu-dev member)18:32
cjwatsonoh, if it's listed in LP, it should go through18:35
LaserJockcjwatson: is there a non ~ubuntu-dev team that is whitelisted or is it just individuals?18:41
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cjwatsonLaserJock: I thought it was ~ubuntu-dev18:46
cjwatsonLaserJock: but that stuff isn't under my direct control18:46
LaserJockcjwatson: I just meant if there was some LP team that controlled the whitelist for people not in ~ubuntu-dev18:50
LaserJockor if it was just in the mailman interface itself or something like that18:50
smoseris there a blueprint that would cover dropping of udev ? something that i could subscribe to so I could knwo when it change?18:50
cjwatsonLaserJock: mailman18:53
apacheloggerjames_w: what do you make of that: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+recipe/main/+build/2618:56
james_wapachelogger: urgh, it's still broken18:57
* apachelogger falls back to doing own packages :P18:57
jcastrorobbiew: do you have a page that lists all the release schedules for N-P or do you just have them individually like PReleaseSchedule, etc.?19:14
james_wapachelogger: I think that should be fixed when updated buildd packages are copied to the production PPA, which should happen soon.19:15
robbiewjcastro: one sec19:15
robbiewjcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule/LTStoLTS19:16
cody-somervilleDoes anyone know where I can find the number of packages in the Debian archive?19:30
pochusource or binary packages?19:30
pochu(UDD has it I guess)19:31
cody-somervillepochu, source19:32
pochucody-somerville: unstable?19:32
cody-somervillepochu, aye19:32
pochuemilio@saturno:~$ grep Package /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources | sort -u | wc -l19:34
pochuI think that would be accurate19:34
james_wmight want ^Package19:34
ion...or grep-dctrl ;-)19:34
seb128pochu, the sort doesn't make any difference there :-)19:35
james_wseb128: it does, as it is -u19:35
james_wand dak may now include more than one stanza per-source19:35
seb128james_w, do we have things listed several times in the Sources?19:35
seb128oh ok19:35
pochucody-somerville, james_w: right, it's 15007 with ^Package19:35
pochuseb128: it's like 900 less packages with sort -u ;)19:36
seb128pochu, ok, we don't have that difference on Ubuntu ;-)19:37
cody-somervilleLaunchpad say testing has 16275 packages.19:40
james_wincluding contrib and non-free perchance?19:41
ccheneycjwatson, when is udev going away this cycle?20:00
cjwatsonccheney: nobody promised it would be this cycle20:11
ccheneycjwatson, ok20:11
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smosercjwatson, so your expectation is that udev will live through maverick ?20:14
dupondjeudev gets removed ?20:15
cjwatsonsmoser: Keybuk said that he was generally planning on making the daemon go away at some point.  As far as I know not much directly depends on it, it has no work item assigned for it, it's not a priority, etc.20:15
smoseri've got some work items that i figured would sit atop udev, and had assumed (incorrectly) that udev was going away per Keybuk's talk at UDS.20:15
ttxcjwatson: we have work on ebsmount that would suffer from a potential transition20:15
cjwatsonsmoser: in any case, the configuration would remain20:15
cjwatsonsmoser: it shouldn't affect you20:15
smoserok. that was the big thing.20:15
smoserwe're square then. thank you for clearing this up.20:16
cjwatsonthis is a potential plumbing rearrangement, not (as far as I know) a major interface change20:16
dupondjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/584287 => can the importance gets a bit bumped ? this is like the crappiest bug in maverick atm :)20:16
ubottuUbuntu bug 584287 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Unexpected X error (BadDrawable) causing metacity to abort in maverick" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:16
cjwatsonsmoser: do make sure, as ever, that you aren't using any constructs deprecated by the udev documentation20:17
smoserok. thanks.20:17
cjwatsonin particular you're now only supposed to add symlinks to the kernel's canonical device name, not rename the device20:17
micahgdoko: ping20:22
smosercjwatson, i'm more interested in the events and getting programs called based on add/remove20:26
smoserkees, are you around ? i'm looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~kees/vmbuilder/use-ext420:28
cjwatsonsmoser: eventually, the latter will become upstart jobs; any transition to that will be clearly announced and will be some time before the removal of the daemon20:30
cjwatsonsmoser: for the meantime, just don't worry about it20:31
smosersorry for the misunderstanding20:31
smoseri will aptly not worry20:31
keessmoser: the ext4 thing should already be in lucid20:33
smoseryes. but that doesn't concern me.20:33
smoserthe uec images are built form 0.11 (which is where this is valid)20:33
smoseri have your patch, but looking at it i dont know why i do not get ext4 filesystems on my karmic and lucid and maverick images20:34
smoserthe only thing i can come up with is that they specify a partfile20:34
keeshow is vmbuilder invoked for you?20:34
smoser(ie, --part)20:35
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smoser(note, partfile does not include filesystem type -- that would have seemed to be the best way to do that)20:35
keeshm, i've only tried it with --dest20:36
keessmoser: when i originally debugged this feature, i had to add prints all over the place20:38
smoserwhich is what i was trying to avoid by asking you.20:38
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keessmoser: yeah, i don't know it much better than that :)20:39
smoseri think that set_filesystem_types must be getting overridden by my partfile20:39
smoser(which again, doesn't specify it).20:39
smoserthanks for your time.20:39
keessmoser: np, let me know if you don't figure it out. i can take a lot tomorrow20:40
sorensmoser: I'm expecting to fix up EC2 builds with vmbuilder 0.12, if that matters.20:45
smosersoren, right now its not an effort that i would want to take on.20:45
smoserto move the official builds over to 0.1220:45
smosereven if i did i'd still want to leave the released versions working from the 0.1120:46
smoserjust to make sure they dont just change (or otherwise verify that they're identical)20:46
smoserdo you happen, soren, to know what would be causing me to not get ext4 filesystems ?20:46
smosermy interest is in turning those on for maverick but not for less than that.20:47
smoserhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/0.11 is the branch i build from20:47
* soren looks20:47
smoserinvoked as http://paste.ubuntu.com/442941/ with part file looking like "root ${size} a1"20:48
sorensmoser: Yes.20:48
sorensmoser: Using a part file always makes the filesystem ext3.20:49
smoserthats what i thoguht. suggestions on how to fix/work around ?20:49
smosermy feeling is that the partfile should allow specification of the filesystem20:50
sorenThe whole partfile thing is horrible.20:51
sorensmoser: ...but that particular bug is fixed in 0.12.20:52
smoseroh ? i dont see how.20:53
sorensmoser: Do you see the bug to begin with?20:54
sorensmoser: Then look at the same place in 0.12 and behold.20:55
smoseri'm confused20:55
sorenI can tell. :)20:55
smoserah. i see it.20:55
smosernah. never mind. default_filesystem.20:56
smoseri guess i can cherry pick that back20:56
sorenWell, you can try. :)20:57
smoserwell, not cherry pick, but take that logic20:58
seb128ogra, asac: do you need a stable archive now for armel alpha1 builds?21:48
asacseeker: we probably dont want to skip an alpha21:58
asacso would be nice to have some time to settle21:58
seb128asac, was that for me?21:58
seb128asac, sorry got to restart my irc21:59
asacseb128: ;)22:00
asacfor you22:00
seb128asac, ok, I will delay the gtk update22:00
seb128asac, let me know when I can update it ;-)22:01
asacseb128: i am not responsible for mobile images anymore ;) ... ogra has to give thumbs up or not. maybe the images are busted anyway atm.22:01
asacthen it wouldnt matter much :)22:01
seb128right, that's why I asked ;-)22:01
seb128I'm not even sure alpha1 is in working state anywhere right now22:02
blueyedIs AlwaysLoginCurrentSession=false not supported/ignored by gdm? Cannot find the string in gdm sources anymore. Would like to login to wmii besides awesome.. - so no gnome-protecting-itself required (which changed the default to true).22:12
blueyedor is just UPDATE_CONFIG not support anymore, via gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG AlwaysLoginCurrentSession=false" ?22:13
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bluefoxicyokay seriously23:21
bluefoxicywhy the assballs do I need debugging symbols23:22
bluefoxicywhatever program is using these things to pull debugging information for bug reports is terminally broken23:22
cjwatsonbluefoxicy: if you can't be polite, please go somewhere else23:22
cjwatsonit's not clever23:22
bluefoxicycjwatson:  neither is my ISP, which sputters to death when I try to download a 2 meg file for debugging symbols for a 17k binary package(?!)23:23
cjwatsonthat doesn't justify turning up here with foul-mouthed outbursts.  control yourself, please.23:23
bluefoxicyIt should be possible to just yank the mappings and the stack, and run with that; put that with the package version, and then run that through some program along with the debugging symbols later, come to the same results23:26
bluefoxicyOr if that's not possible, take a (larger) core dump on demand, and download the debugging symbols then23:26
cjwatsonthat is how apport normally behaves; users do not normally need to download debugging symbols.23:26
cjwatsonI don't know what's wrong in your case.23:27
bluefoxicycjwatson:  I had thought as much when it first came out; however at the moment my system seems to insist on downloading debugging symbols, which makes me believe something is broken ~_~23:27
cjwatsonthe point of the retracer arrangement is so that users only need to upload reduced traces, and a central system retraces the stacks with the debugging symbols installed.23:27
cjwatsonyes, apparently something is.  I suggest you file a civil-toned bug on apport23:28
bluefoxicyas soon as I figure out how/why it's broken23:28

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