=== pcapeluto_ is now known as pcapeluto [05:35] * amachu is away: Gone away for now === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine [14:00] * NCommand1r sighs [14:00] o/ [14:01] freenode locked me out of my own nick :-/ === NCommand1r is now known as mcasadevall [14:01] There [14:01] #startmeeting [14:01] Meeting started at 08:01. The chair is mcasadevall. [14:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:01] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100601 [14:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100601 [14:01] [topic] Roll Call [14:01] New Topic: Roll Call [14:01] So who's here? [14:02] * GrueMaster awake & accounted for. [14:02] * lag is in attendance [14:02] ogra: davidm: plars: dyfet: ping? [14:02] G'day [14:02] * ogra waves [14:03] cooloney excused himself, he will likely be late [14:03] hi [14:03] plars, is not on the roll call anymore [14:04] persia doesn't appear to be online [14:04] mcasadevall, vacation [14:04] persia is on holiday [14:04] dont expect him for the next three weeks [14:04] ah [14:04] three? [14:04] * mcasadevall blinks [14:04] Japan has a lot of holidays [14:04] Anyway [14:05] [topic] Annoucements [14:05] New Topic: Annoucements [14:05] Folks, activity reports please! [14:05] ?? [14:05] that should be under AOB :) [14:05] ogra: no one has been putting ARs on the wiki aside from myself [14:05] It keeps getting ignored, that's why I'm putting it at the start [14:05] k [14:06] Please make sure you post your ARs to the wiki ASAP [14:06] * ogra will do so after meeting [14:06] [topic] Action Item Review [14:06] New Topic: Action Item Review [14:06] [topic] NCommander to make sure his specs are valid for tracker [14:06] New Topic: NCommander to make sure his specs are valid for tracker [14:06] Done [14:06] yeah, thanks for that [14:06] [topic] GrueMaster to assemble list on what SRU is going on with kernel team [14:06] New Topic: GrueMaster to assemble list on what SRU is going on with kernel team [14:07] co [14:07] [action] GrueMaster to assemble list on what SRU is going on with kernel team [14:07] ACTION received: GrueMaster to assemble list on what SRU is going on with kernel team [14:07] [topic] NCommander to discuss build timeout with lamont [14:07] New Topic: NCommander to discuss build timeout with lamont [14:07] Discussed it briefly, no resolution as of yet. [14:07] [topic] NCommander to poke Keybuk on libnih [14:07] New Topic: NCommander to poke Keybuk on libnih [14:07] i thought lamont proposed a resolution [14:08] ogra: did he? [14:08] resolution is that I need to figure out how to do per-architecture timeouts in a sane way. [14:08] I failed to poke Keybuk so co [14:08] but I'm not here right now. this is a recording. [14:08] mcasadevall, in the log snipped i pasted lamont asked for the packages to be fixed [14:08] ogra: I must have missed it :-/ [14:09] [topic]Entire team to respond to davidm's email on meeting times [14:09] New Topic: Entire team to respond to davidm's email on meeting times [14:09] * mcasadevall failed on this one [14:09] * ogra too [14:09] but then i'm also happy with meeting times [14:09] * mcasadevall would be happier if they were offset 12 hours but YMMV [14:10] [topic] Standing Items [14:10] New Topic: Standing Items [14:10] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html [14:10] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html [14:10] The bar of success looks really really low [14:10] we finally have all items in place [14:11] i just asked pitti to reset it to 46 items [14:11] the bar will be correct in 60min [14:11] yay [14:11] (next cron run( [14:11] ogra: but shouldn't it be set to 52, which is the high point where everything went in? [14:12] while we have no A1 items everyone please work on their A2 items :) [14:12] mcasadevall, who cares as long as we stay below :) [14:12] ogra: point tkaen [14:12] Our kernel devs aren't here ATM, so I'll skip kernel status for now [14:13] lag is here [14:13] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [14:13] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [14:13] oh [14:13] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [14:13] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [14:13] bah [14:13] heh [14:13] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag) [14:13] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag) [14:13] Not a lot to report as of yet. Some kernel testing for Lucid Updates. [14:13] lag, has an omap3 kernel been uploaded to the archive already ? [14:14] ? [14:14] lag, i thought you care for omap3 ? [14:14] I have no idea [14:14] or was that omap4 in 10.10 [14:14] ah, k :) [14:14] I haven't been told a thing [14:15] ok [14:15] Apparently I have a 'panda' board coming to me [14:15] all i know is that cooloney cares for the 10.07 kernel [14:15] And I've been included in this meeting and the weekly chat with TI [14:15] so the 10.10 work will be spread between you and mpoirier [14:15] That's all I know [14:15] Thanks for letting me know ;) [14:16] which means an omap3 kernel built from mainline and a specially branched omap4 kernel [14:16] cooloney will train lag and mpoirier on what we need [14:16] ok [14:16] he will be around until they are fully up to speed [14:16] Thanks davidm [14:17] * ogra also likes to announce that x-loader-omap4 and u-boot-omap4 sit in the NEW queue, if Riddell gets to it they should hit the archive today [14:17] * Riddell takes the hint [14:17] (not exactly kernel but close :) ) [14:17] * ogra hugs Riddell [14:17] * mcasadevall hugs Riddell [14:17] mcasadevall, how about movin on :) [14:18] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [14:18] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [14:18] deja vu? [14:18] Not a lot to report as of yet. Some kernel testing for Lucid Updates [14:18] tri va vu :) [14:19] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [14:19] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [14:19] looks horrid [14:19] Indeed [14:19] A lot of it is cascade from Qt4 exploding [14:19] yeah [14:19] I've managed to determine that lzma compression + massive dbg packages == ow [14:19] libnih is gone ... though just because upstart failed completely now [14:19] ugh [14:20] i guess it will return [14:20] * mcasadevall knows what he's doing this week [14:20] mcasadevall, btw, did you get my response to the livecd-roofs mail ? [14:20] ogra: yes, did you get my response to it? [14:21] i mean the resonse to that one :) [14:21] * ogra wants a last one char change [14:21] ogra: oh, then I didn't get the response to my response of your response [14:21] lol [14:22] dyfet, btw, how did the MOTU think go on friday ? [14:22] * mcasadevall kicks offlineimap [14:22] could you take on some more FTBFS issues ? [14:22] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [14:22] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [14:22] ogra: I was not able to get the people I needed to sign onto the application in time [14:22] since mcasadevall still has some debian-cd work to do it would be good if you could take that [14:23] oh [14:23] i thought you said it would be friday [14:23] ogra: that was based on that happening [14:23] aha [14:23] ogra: I was actually going to put most of that work on hold, we can't really touch the infrastructure during alpha 1 [14:23] mcasadevall, we can prepare everything [14:23] and then we can just focus on merging what must be merged [14:24] i surely can merge livecd-rootfs and hold back the upload and you can work on the separate branch [14:24] ogra: works for me I guess [14:24] great [14:24] I was planning on squashing FTBFS this week though [14:24] since i want to have jasper ready by end of the week [14:24] Are we going to start producing images this week? [14:24] GrueMaster, next probably [14:25] we're still missing some bits [14:25] So nothing for Alpha 1? [14:25] nope [14:25] ogra: we're not spinning old-style OMAp3 images? [14:25] Even the old style images? [14:25] mcasadevall, i asked pitti to hold off on that [14:25] ok [14:25] since someone would have to clean up cdimage then [14:25] ogra: fair enough [14:25] they gain us nothing [14:25] ogra: ah, very good point. [14:26] So, on the pre-installation image front [14:26] livecd-rootfs code has landed [14:26] next irc meeting we should have something [14:26] Initial debian-cd code has landed [14:26] er [14:26] not has landed [14:26] has been written [14:26] * mcasadevall is obviously not at full caffination [14:27] did you look at the publishing code yet ? [14:27] (i put the branch for you on the server) [14:27] ogra: no, most of my weekend was spent traveling up to Rochester [14:27] ah, k [14:27] * mcasadevall is working out of a hotel today [14:27] please focus on that as soon as you have time [14:27] ogra: I want to get the initial review of the d-cd branch done though before I start tearing into the publishing code [14:27] images > ftbfs [14:28] ogra: indeed, although that list is getting very scary :-/ [14:28] as long as ubuntu-netbook for armel doesnt show up on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/maverick_probs.html all is fine [14:28] Anything else we want to bring up w.r.t. to images? [14:28] we can do ftbfs all the time, images have to happen asap [14:29] nothing from me [14:29] nor me [14:29] move ! :) [14:29] [topic] Any Other Business [14:29] New Topic: Any Other Business [14:30] nothing here [14:31] nothing from me [14:32] then without further adue [14:32] #endmeeting [14:32] Meeting finished at 08:32. [14:32] clap clap clap [14:32] (that was a quick meeting) [14:32] that was fast today :) [14:32] * mcasadevall fights to get his nick back === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [14:59] hello [14:59] \o [14:59] hey all [15:00] Keybuk, you're chairing, right? [15:00] I am [15:01] just trying to find the minutes of the previous meeting [15:01] Keybuk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/May2010#Technical Board [15:01] Keybuk, are you updating the agenda, or do you want help? [15:01] I'm updating the agenda currently [15:02] ok [15:02] #startmeeting [15:02] Meeting started at 09:02. The chair is Keybuk. [15:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:02] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [15:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [15:02] there is very little on the agenda today [15:02] [TOPIC] Action Review [15:02] New Topic: Action Review [15:02] should we add jcastro's Request for standing FFe for Chromium? [15:02] I took an action to draft a mail about the sparc and ia64 ports and send to TB for approval [15:03] I've done that, it's waiting on the last few TB members to comment on it [15:03] cjwatson in particular, I think [15:03] I just replied to that email -- I think it needs regular SRUs first, then once those are successful, we can talk about granting a standing SRU. [15:03] Keybuk, I just added an item from the mailing list [15:03] since I've just seen kees' +1 [15:03] pitti, I did [15:03] cjwatson: do you have any objections to the mail, or should I sent it on? [15:04] ok, timeout; I'll send it out [15:04] The other action assigned was to jcastro to talk to the GNOME release team about the schedule [15:04] jcastro: how did that go? [15:04] I saw only +1s on the mailing list [15:04] (re: your mail) [15:05] Keybuk: I've been on holiday, I am back today though [15:05] ok, we'll carry that one over [15:05] those are teh only two actions I can see [15:06] [TOPIC] Chromium standing FFe [15:06] New Topic: Chromium standing FFe [15:06] Keybuk: I am still also unclear on what exactly we need to talk to them about, we can catch up after the meeting though [15:06] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-May/000194.html [15:06] LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-May/000194.html [15:06] I think it needs regular SRUs first, then once those are successful, we can talk about granting a standing SRU. [15:06] I just replied to that email -- I think it needs regular SRUs first, then once those are successful, we can talk about granting a standing SRU. [15:06] 37 [15:06] kees, :-) [15:06] s/37// [15:06] kees' proposal sounds reasonable to me [15:06] I agree with kees [15:07] we should agree a fixed point at which to review the situation though, so it doesn't get dropped [15:07] e.g. after 3 months, or after N SRUs or when someone screams [15:07] sounds good [15:08] I think I'll just bring it back to the agenda once the SRU team gets fed up^W^Wsufficiently acquainted with chromium SRUs [15:08] pitti: that sounds good [15:08] I would arbitrary pick 3 consecutively successful SRUs, but yeah, it's mostly a "okay, we've done this enough that we don't want to look at it any more" kind of a time. [15:09] agreed [15:09] but even for single SRUs we need to extend the usual SRU rules [15:09] if that should be the SRU team's discretion, then fine [15:09] pitti: right, but that's generally been up to the SRU team. [15:11] I'm fairly certain chromium will be fine, but I don't like setting the precedent of pre-approving a standing exception with no evidence of SRU sanity. [15:12] ok, sounds like there's a rough consensus here and that pitti will reapply once there's been a few SRUs [15:12] sounds good [15:12] agreed [15:12] [TOPIC] Community Bugs [15:12] New Topic: Community Bugs [15:12] bug #585807 [15:12] Launchpad bug 585807 in ubuntu-community "The ubuntu-drivers team holds a confusing mix of privileges" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585807 [15:12] mdz: had any luck with that one? [15:13] Keybuk, I needed someplace to park it, because the Launchpad team can't talk to us about it yet (per jml) [15:13] I think the TB should triage it [15:13] triage how? [15:13] decide on its priority [15:14] and then we can put it to the Launchpad team along with the rest of our backlog when their next iteration begins [15:14] hello all, sorry to be late [15:14] so, how severe a problem do we feel this is today? [15:14] a large part of it seems to be about spec work [15:14] we've been working around it for a long time, so it doesn't seem that urgent [15:15] but, it is irksome [15:15] yeah, it's been this way for as long as I remember [15:15] reading the list, an initial separation might be to separate out the bug-related pieces to ubuntu-bug-control [15:15] I can't see it being higher than "Medium" [15:15] and worry about actually splitting up the pieces later [15:15] I think all core devs can at least approve bug task nominations now, wich has helped a lot [15:15] right, I'd live with Medium [15:15] this was my biggest concern so far [15:16] I don't think we need to decide yet how it should work (though I did a detailed writeup of that last year) [15:16] just how important it is [15:16] approving blueprints to releases is my next one, but the number of people who need to isn't large enough to make ubuntu-drivers membership a real problem [15:16] so I concur with "medium" [15:16] once it makes it onto the list for LP, we can have a conversation about how to fix it [15:16] Medium WFM [15:16] Ironically, I can't actually change the status or importance [15:16] mdz: you'll have to do that I guess ;-) [15:17] *laugh* [15:17] well, it's not an Ubuntu bug, so you shouldn't be able to as non-project member [15:17] Keybuk, I can't either [15:17] pitti: it's assigned to a team I'm a member of :) [15:18] I can set status, but not priority [15:18] is that because it's a security bug? [15:18] or because of the project it's filed on? [15:18] because of the project, I think [15:18] pitti, i can't set status to Triaged [15:18] i think because of the project [15:18] but I can set the importance (and did so) [15:18] otherwise you could first assign to yourself, and then set everything else [15:18] pitti, so i fyou can set it to Triaged, we're done :-) [15:18] mdz: I can't, just confirmed [15:18] not wontfix/triaged [15:18] good enough I suppose [15:19] we've spent too much time on it as it is [15:19] I've set Confirmed/Medium [15:19] ok [15:19] [TOPIC] Other Business [15:19] New Topic: Other Business [15:19] any other business before we select a chair? [15:19] 3... [15:19] 2... [15:20] 1... [15:20] [TOPIC] Chair for next meeting [15:20] New Topic: Chair for next meeting [15:20] by nickname rotation (from sabdfl), it's cjwatson next, but I'm loth to select him as he's not here [15:20] he only needs to be here NEXT Time [15:20] mdz: making someone chair without telling them seems rude [15:20] and runs the risk that he'll never know he's supposed to be [15:20] Keybuk, of course you should tell him [15:21] sometime in the next week should be sufficient [15:21] ok [15:21] cjwatson it is then [15:21] #endmeeting [15:21] Meeting finished at 09:21. [15:21] thanks Keybuk [15:21] thanks! [15:21] thanks [15:21] thanks and cheers [15:22] eek, I'm sorry, I completely missed this on my calendar [15:22] I was buried in trying to sort out a horrible make timestamping problem [15:22] Keybuk: I have no objections to your mail [15:22] cjwatson: building on a filesystem that doesn't support sub-second mtime? [15:23] kees: no, just cdbs-induced craziness with double-colon rules [15:23] oh yikes [15:23] Keybuk: I'm also fine with being chair [15:25] k, report up and agenda cleared [15:31] BTW I also cleared my action to write up those ancient meeting minutes last week [15:32] yes, I saw === ogra_ is now known as ogra === vorian is now known as hilight === hilight is now known as vorian === vorian is now known as v [17:26] Getting Ready for Desktop Team Meeting [17:31] MichealH: in #ubuntu-desktop [17:31] oops... [17:32] I just watch and you know Ask ect. [17:32] MichealH, but you should join #ubuntu-desktop to actually see the meeting ;) [17:33] I know Im only here for my Membership Meeting :) [17:33] ah :) [17:33] (the above sounded different) [17:50] isn't the membership meeting only in 2 hours? [17:50] no, in 3 actually ;) [17:51] Ah maths fail :) [17:51] at least I have time then, awesome === jjohansen is now known as jjohansen-afk [17:59] \o/ [17:59] JFo ! [17:59] you still on the phone ? [17:59] o/ [17:59] o/ [17:59] mpoirier, heh [17:59] * smb phases in [17:59] * manjo zooms in [18:00] o/ [18:00] * ogasawara waves [18:00] JFo: ya, we were working, the phone rang, you left and never came back. [18:00] yep we will talk after this [18:00] no worries. [18:00] :) [18:00] \_o_/ [18:00] | [18:00] /\ [18:00] * cking here [18:00] * apw notes lag missed [18:01] * pgraner here 0/ [18:01] #startmeeting [18:01] Meeting started at 12:01. The chair is bjf. [18:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:01] * lag sulks [18:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [18:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [18:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [18:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [18:01] # [18:01] # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. [18:01] # [18:01] [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo) [18:01] New Topic: Release Metrics: (JFo) [18:01] Release Meeting Bugs (0 bugs, 10 Blueprints) [18:01] ==== Alpha 1 Milestoned Bugs (0) ==== [18:01] * 0 linux kernel bugs () [18:01] ==== Release Targeted Bugs (40 across all packages) ==== [18:01] * 5 linux kernel bugs [18:01] === Milestoned Features ==== [18:01] * 14 blueprints [18:01] *** NOTE: This listing includes HWE Blueprints*** [18:01] ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:128 (down 2 from last week) ==== [18:01] * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on [18:01] * Breakdown by status: [18:01] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ [18:02] please note: I have removed the mvl, fsl and ec2 items [18:02] .. [18:02] [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen) [18:02] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-apparmor [18:02] New Topic: Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen) [18:02] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-apparmor [18:02] Nothing new this week. [18:02] .. [18:03] [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-firewire-stack (manjo) [18:03] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-firewire-stack [18:03] New Topic: Blueprint: kernel-maverick-firewire-stack (manjo) [18:03] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-firewire-stack [18:03] nothing new this week [18:03] .. [18:03] [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw) [18:03] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc [18:03] New Topic: Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw) [18:03] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc [18:03] There are two outstanding items for Alpha-1, getting mainline builds to include linux-tools and progressing the -preempt pakcages. These are both non-release tasks. The first is likely to slip to alpha-2 now, the second is progresing but also likely to slip. [18:03]