[04:24] <m4t_Iso> A MESSAGE FROM JASON GATES AKA JASON FISHER AKA BIKCMP: girl you must be java bytecode because you let me use you anywhere I want
[04:25] <M4tsubStr8> A MESSAGE FROM JASON GATES AKA JASON FISHER AKA BIKCMP: I got news for these niggers. They can screw 100 degenerate White sluts a day and that doesn't change the fact that they're still just niggers. Its like the niggers who go out and buy Cadillacs or BMWs imagining people will think they're "high class" or rich. LOL! When people see a nigger riding around in an expensive car, they automatically know its nobody of any 
[04:25] <M4m_88> A MESSAGE FROM JASON GATES AKA JASON FISHER AKA BIKCMP: Guess what, asshole? I was one of the earliest hackers in the 1980s. I KNEW Kevin Mitnick. Phone Phreaking is as secondary to me as skullfucking your daughter. I'm going to keep calling your house, OVER AND OVER, and the phone company will NEVER be able to trace the call. You're going down.
[04:26] <ww88BirdIso> A MESSAGE FROM JASON GATES AKA JASON FISHER AKA BIKCMP: girl you must be Frogger because I would cross rush hour traffic and cascading rivers in order to hop in your hole 6 times in a row
[04:26] <m4mm_ChanTime> A MESSAGE FROM JASON GATES AKA JASON FISHER AKA BIKCMP: I cut myself because I find it an artform, just like tattoo's, but I LIKE cutting a beautiful drawing into myself, as I did it and I drew it. But I did cut along time ago so, that might be it. Anyway, I only cut when it fades and needs touching up, but it sure feels good!
[06:57] <ara> good morning all!
[07:03]  * ara installs Hardy to test Firefox 3.6.4
[12:47] <ara> mvo, the "updates available" systray icon is showing in maverick alpha-1, I guess that's a bug...
[12:52] <mvo> ara: yes, I will fix it today
[12:53] <ara> mvo, OK, is there a bug number?
[12:55] <mvo> I haven't looked :(
[12:55] <mvo> but I guess there is one
[13:02] <matumba> hello everyone! i've just set up a hardy vm for firefox testing - hardy-updates should be disabled before doing any updates, right?
[13:06] <ara> matumba, the best thing to do is to install any available updates, then enable the ppa and then dist-upgrade
[13:06] <ara> matumba, it should work even with hardy-updates enabled
[13:07] <matumba> ara, ok, thx
[13:07] <ara> matumba, thanks for testing!
[13:07] <matumba> ara, np :-)
[14:05] <alourie|work> hello
[14:08] <moustafa> hello
[14:09] <matumba> ara, one final question: "Upgrade to Lucid" is just a simple LTS -> LTS upgrade? should I remove the PPA from the sources.list beforehand?
[14:18] <xdatap> hello
[14:20]  * charlie-tca waves
[14:20] <xdatap> ara, good evening
[14:30] <alourie|work> I would like to volunteer testing maverick-server i386 ISO. Who should I cooperate this with?
[14:33] <charlie-tca> right here. Have you added yourself to the tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntu/all ?
[14:39] <ara> matumba, sorry, I was at lunch, yes, disable the ppa (although normally update-manager will disable it for you)
[14:39] <matumba> ara, thx again
[14:40] <ara> matumba, np
[14:40] <ara> xdatap, hey!
[14:40] <mvo> ara: new update-notifier uploaded that fixes the icon thing
[14:40] <ara> mvo, cool, thanks!
[14:41] <mvo> cheers, thanks for finding it
[14:43] <alourie|work> charlie-tca: for some reason I have trouble login in. Is the user/pass the same as on brainstorm?
[14:43] <xdatap> ara, just sent you an email. Still problem with iso tracker
[14:43] <charlie-tca> You have to create a new login, I believe, for the qa tracker
[14:44] <charlie-tca> oops, my mistake, it should be the same as brainstorm
[14:45] <alourie|work> charlie-tca: nope, it wasn't. I had to create it once again...
[14:45] <alourie|work> bug? :-)
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Here is the procedure - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[14:45] <charlie-tca> ara: password for brainstorm does not work in tracker?
[14:45] <ara> charlie-tca, not anymore
[14:46] <ara> charlie-tca, they are now different systems
[14:46] <charlie-tca> ah, so we need to update the tracker wiki page again
[14:46] <ara> charlie-tca, mmm, true
[14:47] <alourie|work> ara, charlie-tca: and "create a new user" page on qa tracker, as it mentions brainstorm
[14:48] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures updated
[14:49] <ara> alourie|work, btw, people are reporting not getting the password email when creating an account
[14:49] <ara> alourie|work, I am investigating now
[14:50] <alourie|work> ara: yep, that is indeed true.
[14:50] <alourie|work> and I though I gave incorrect email :-)
[15:01] <alourie|work> charlie-tca: btw, why isn't it possible to login with Launchpad account? That would only make sense...
[15:01] <charlie-tca> Different machines completely. I think that is planned for the future, though.
[15:02] <charlie-tca> This was all setup before it was possible to use the single-sign-on, too
[15:03] <alourie|work> oh
[15:03] <alourie|work> ok
[15:04] <alourie|work> what software drives the tracker?
[15:04]  * alourie|work is thinking how to automate testing
[15:05] <ara> alourie|work, it is a drupal instance with an in-house module
[15:05] <ara> alourie|work, lp:ubuntu-qa-website
[15:05] <ara> alourie|work, wanna gives a hand? :)
[15:05] <alourie|work> ara: absolutely
[15:06] <alourie|work> ara: I'm just looking now at the test cases, and, well, besides the installation itself many of them can be automated
[15:07] <ara> alourie|work, yes, and the installation itself as well (at least in KVM). Using kvm-autotest seems like a good approach
[15:07]  * alourie|work is reading about kvm-autotest
[15:09] <ara> alourie|work, the email sent should be fixed now, just request a password reset
[15:10] <alourie|work> ara: lets see
[15:10] <alourie|work> perfect
[15:10] <ara> alourie|work, cool
[15:15] <alourie|work> ok, so to mark that I began test I just select it as 'started', right?
[15:17] <ara> alourie|work, right
[15:17] <alourie|work> great
[15:18] <alourie|work> thanks for the help
[15:18] <ara> alourie|work, thanks to you
[15:18] <alourie|work> ara: I haven't done nothing yet :-)
[15:19] <ara> alourie|work, btw, if you're interested in kvm-autotest, this is the closest soren got:
[15:19] <ara> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~soren/autotest/automated-ubuntu-server-tests/changes
[15:19] <ara> they are not up-to-date but by that time, he automated all server tests (including installation)
[15:21] <alourie|work> ara: wow, that's just so over my head....for now. I will look into it :-)
[15:24] <charlie-tca> xubuntu appears to have three panel applets flashing in the middle of the desktop now. jockey, gnome-volume-control, and network-manager. They are icon sized windows that won't quit flashing over and over
[15:24] <charlie-tca> What to reprot the bug against?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> They are stealing all the processor, too.
[15:33] <bladernr_> ara, I know the desktop ISOs aren't ready (if I read correctly, it's only alternate and server that are ready to test), but are the bits there at least to do the upgrade testing to Maverick?
[15:35] <ara> charlie-tca, wow that's weird
[15:35] <ara> bladernr_, I think so, as the packages are in the archive
[15:35] <bladernr_> ara:  cool, I'll try a Karmic - Maverick for great justice ;-)
[15:36] <ara> bladernr_, that's not an upgrade path, I think
[15:36] <bladernr_> yeah, just discovered that
[15:36] <moustafa> bladernr_ I think the upgrade paths make you go through each release
[15:36] <bladernr_> oh well, was worth a shot, so now it'll be Karmic - Lucid - Maverick
[15:36] <ara> it is only Ubuntu -> Ubuntu
[15:36] <ara> it is only Ubuntu -> Ubuntu +1
[15:36] <ara> or LTS -> LTS +1
[15:37] <bladernr_> right...
[15:37] <bladernr_> though I HAVE noticed a few times in various mailing lists that users DO (and they have done so historically) things like version - 3 -> version
[15:38] <bladernr_> or more easily, version -> version +3
[15:38] <bladernr_> not that I'm saying we need to support that kind of wackiness
[15:40] <moustafa> I usually just go for a clean install by wiping the root drive.  I love the separation of /home and /
[15:42]  * alourie|work needs to reboot
[16:40] <alourie|work> hello
[16:41] <sbeattie> bladernr_: it's a little confusing because what ara said was mostly true, but there was also support for kubuntu updates going from 8.04 straight to 9.04 and 9.10 (IIRC on the latter).
[16:41] <sbeattie> But generally, skipping releases is not a supported upgrade path.
[16:41] <alourie|work> would some curses garbage be considered a bug in server install?
[16:42] <sbeattie> alourie|work: you're seeing it in the installer?
[16:42] <alourie|work> yes
[16:42] <ara> then yes, it is a bug
[16:42] <alourie|work> (and have a screenshot to prove it)
[16:43] <ara> alourie|work, create a bug against debian-installer
[16:44] <alourie|work> ara: ok. Should I attach the screenshot?
[16:44] <ara> alourie|work, yes, please
[16:44] <alourie|work> ok
[16:45] <ara> alourie|work, then, if the installation finishes correctly, mark the test as "Passed" (Failed are only for really bad bugs), but make sure to add the bug number
[16:45] <alourie|work> ok
[16:46] <alourie|work> ara: the bug itself is on ubuntu, right?
[16:46] <ara> alourie|work, is on the debian-installer in ubuntu
[16:46] <ara> alourie|work, let me find a link for you
[16:46] <alourie|work> ara: awesome, thanks
[16:47] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+filebug
[16:49] <alourie|work> great
[16:53] <ara> OK, calling it a day
[16:53] <ara> cheers
[16:54] <sbeattie> ara: thanks, have a good evening
[16:54] <sbeattie> doh
[16:57] <alourie|work> hm, what do I do with this thingie: http://img210.imageshack.us/f/loginz.png ? File another bug?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> which image?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> It looks like a bug in the bash-completion-scripts. Is that the server install?
[17:00] <alourie|work> charlie-tca: yes
[17:00] <alourie|work> vanilla iso
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Then, yes, it is another bug to be filed, but the install will be a pass
[17:02] <alourie|work> and file it against bash-completion-scripts?
[17:03]  * alourie|work will continue a bit later
[17:05] <matumba> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/546794
[17:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 546794 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Smarter lib* aware autocompletion? (affects: 26) (dups: 7) (heat: 198)" [Medium,New]
[17:06] <charlie-tca> so, just add the bug number to the tracker
[17:15] <bladernr_> Ok.. stupid question... to do the upgrade testing, at this point do I need to edit the sources list to point somewhere, or should update-manager -d -c at this stage catch the Maverick updates?
[17:20] <sbeattie> bladernr_: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/maverick.tar.gz is there, so I would think that update-manager should catch it.
[17:24] <bladernr_> hrmmm... ok...
[17:24] <bladernr_> it's not, so bug or maybe just wait until the next milestone...
[17:33] <bladernr_> sbeattie:  yeah, no luck with update-manager -d -c, also do-release-upgrade -d also says "No new release found"
[17:34] <bladernr_> and I DO have network connectivity
[17:43] <sbeattie> bladernr_: does it find it if /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is changed from lts to normal?
[17:46] <sbeattie> bladernr_: ah, yep, changing that causes it to be detected.
[17:46] <bladernr_> seconded
[20:00] <bladernr_> So... metacity appears to be broken
[20:00] <bladernr_> or at least, upgrade breaks it
[20:02] <fader_> bladernr_: My guess is that if you ask cr3 he'll tell you that window managers are for wimps
[20:03] <bladernr_> I'd be inclined to agree with him to a point
[20:03] <fader_> Heheh
[20:03] <bladernr_> but pr0n looks much better in a GUI than in ASCII
[20:03] <bladernr_> ;-)
[20:05] <cyphermox> as long as you're not in a pure vt, you're using a wm :)
[20:19] <fader_> alt-f2 ; gnome-terminal ; f11 ; killall metacity # ;)
[20:39] <moustafa> fader_ If cr3 could have his way, we'd all be using Lynx with vi
[20:39] <moustafa> While eating croissants
[20:40] <fader_> moustafa: Heh, true.  He doesn't realize that it's all about w3m, nano, and cheese danish :)