[00:23] <Pendulum> I got an e-mail from someone who'd read the interview on fride letting me know about foss groups/events in NYC, kinda too bad I'm not still there
[00:23] <Pendulum> (although I knew of most of them)
[01:05] <maco> i saw two people expire instead of extend this week
[01:05] <maco> there are no women on the americas agenda either
[01:06] <maco> (weren't last week and not yet for this month)
[02:37] <elky> detrate, yeah, sorry, typo
[02:38] <detrate> ^_^
[02:38] <detrate> I thought it was a bit empty when I joined "projects"
[02:45] <elky> should forward now
[04:28] <Mamarok> what the... I can't join the other channel anymore, where I am ano op, any ideas?
[04:29] <elly> Mamarok: /msg chanserv invite #ubuntu-women
[04:29] <Mamarok> which makes no sens, if everytime I log off I have to ivite myself in again, something is wrong in the settings
[04:30] <hypatia> Mamarok: that's how it works when a channel is invite-only :/
[04:30] <hypatia> even if you're an op
[04:30] <hypatia> you have to get chanserv to invite you
[04:31] <Mamarok> oh my, I will forget to join half of the time, guess why I set autojoins...
[04:31] <rww> Mamarok: You should be able to get in without an invite now, assuming that you're identified first, and that I did it right.
[04:31] <Mamarok> well, I am always identified, and I was not able to join, luckily I am ops in the -invite channel and was able to
[04:32] <Mamarok> so somrthing is wrong in the settings
[04:32] <elly> here, I'll invex you
[04:32] <rww> elly: I just did
[04:32] <rww> Mamarok: yes, I just set it
[04:32] <Mamarok> elly: I am in, I invited myself, but still, I should be able to autojoin,as I am identified before I join any channel
[04:33] <Mamarok> ok, let's se if that works again
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <zz_> 怎么都是英文
[08:20] <maco> zz_: english channel
[08:21] <zz_> zhe ge zen me yong de
[08:21] <AlanBell> !cn
[08:21] <ubot4> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[08:21] <zz_> thank you
[08:22] <elky> hi :)
[08:42] <AlanBell> how come http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers is showing as an immutable page for me even though I am logged in?
[08:42] <elly> wiki's locked due to ongoing vandalism
[08:43] <AlanBell> ah, so it is
[08:43] <AlanBell> not great during testimonial period of the leadership process
[08:43] <elky> It's been a fun day.
[08:46] <AlanBell> oh well, no hurry, I will edit it after half term ends and the silly people go back to school
[08:47] <AlanBell> gah, and the totally non-silly people who happen to be still at school :-)
[08:50] <AlanBell> this is what I was going to add http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uwgraph.png
[08:50] <summers> i would like to invite everyone to my new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots
[08:50] <summers> +o for everyone
[08:50] <elky> hmm, who expired?
[08:50] <summers> hi elky
[08:51] <AlanBell> elky: nobody expired
[08:51] <elky> immune from trolling i see.
[08:51] <AlanBell> yeah, ok :-)
[08:51] <rww> it's percentage, so more men -> line goes down
[08:51] <rww> nice graph, AlanBell :)
[08:52] <elky> rww, ah right
[08:52] <AlanBell> although I thought someone had, it was a profile rename
[08:53] <AlanBell> hypatia turned into a man for a month or two before I noticed :-)
[08:53] <elky> hehe
[09:03] <vish> AlanBell: what graph is that?  increasing users/..?
[09:04] <rww> vish: percentage of Ubuntu Members that are female as a function of time
[09:05] <vish> rww: yeah , thats what i thought , but why are there dips? are there people who stop using Ubuntu ?
[09:06] <vish> rww: grr , nvm , it percentage :D
[09:06] <vish> its*
[09:22] <AlanBell> vish: yeah it is a percentage and there are 10 new people per month on average
[09:23] <AlanBell> so to maintain a flat line at 5% would require half a woman per month
[09:23] <AlanBell> or one every two months if you prefer
[09:23] <vish> AlanBell: pretty impressive that the *percentage* is on the raise
[09:24] <vish> rise*
[09:24] <AlanBell> curiously it isn't really since we started measuring it
[09:24] <elky> AlanBell, I do prefer women whole.
[09:24] <AlanBell> the graph goes back to 2005 where it really was zero for 6 months
[09:24] <rww> of course. if you measure a thing, you change it!
[09:24] <elky> Men too. Much less messy.
[09:25] <vish> lol!
[09:27] <AlanBell> so one of my theories on the graph is that Ubuntu actually does quite well in terms of the structures and standards in place
[09:27] <AlanBell> however Ubuntu didn't start from scratch
[09:27] <AlanBell> it was seeded in 2005 with a bunch of people from the debian community
[09:27] <elky> I think the consistancy of what membership is has been the biggest virtue
[09:28] <elky> some projects flipflop all over the place
[09:29] <elky> AlanBell, the structure/standards/governance has little to do with the debian roots though
[09:29] <AlanBell> the initial population does though
[09:30] <AlanBell> I think
[09:30] <elky> Not really if you take the average Debian contributor in to account.
[09:30] <elky> Debian people are wonderful, but the community stuff is a completely beast.
[09:31] <elky> er, completely /different/ beast
[09:33] <AlanBell> yeah, I don't know much about it tbh, all I see is the graph starting from zero
[13:37] <lun_> hi
[13:48] <AlanBell> hi
[13:49] <elky> hi
[13:49] <AlanBell> ah lun_ left
[13:50] <elky> Yes. I wouldn't be too worried if I were you.
[13:51] <AlanBell> I will get over it
[17:21] <AlanBell> there are a few pages on the wiki that link to dead places on ubuntu.com
[17:22] <AlanBell> notably links to http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/council
[17:22] <AlanBell> I would fix them if the wiki wasn't locked
[17:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: nice disguie spammer :D
[17:23] <nigelb> kidding :p
[17:24] <AlanBell> :-)
[17:24] <AlanBell> I have been fixing the factoids
[17:24] <AlanBell> !member
[17:24] <ubot4> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[17:24] <AlanBell> yup, that one is done now
[17:25] <AlanBell> I did a search on wiki.ubuntu.com and that is an eating the elephant sized task to fix
[17:25] <AlanBell> wiki.ubuntu-women.org looks to be a small pony sized problem
[17:26] <nigelb> AlanBell: ask akgraner to get you editing rights.  I think a few people can edit.
[17:27] <nigelb> or ask one of the sysadmins for rights
[17:29] <akgraner> I have emailed elmo already :-)
[17:32] <nigelb> akgraner: \0/
[17:34] <akgraner> as soon as I know something I'll let everyone know - I know it's a but of a hassle but we'll keep them locked for a little while longer sorry for any frustrations or in convenience this causes anyone, please keep of list of things/pages that needs updating and again as soon as I know something I will let everyone know
[17:35] <nigelb> Actually, its a less inconveience locked up.
[17:52] <pleia2> akgraner, elky and I all have admin there, so we can still edit pages
[17:52] <AlanBell> thats fine, the main reason I mentioned things here was to get them in the logs and visible to other people so I don't forget
[17:52] <pleia2> just let us know :)
[17:53] <AlanBell> general edits can wait, however the testimonials may be an issue if it stays locked
[17:53] <pleia2> ah, true
[17:53] <akgraner> hmmm -
[17:54] <akgraner> well we can unlock and just take shifts watching them? or - want me to move them to wiki.ubuntu.com
[17:54] <pleia2> or ask people to put testimonials on our wiki.ubuntu.com pages
[17:55] <AlanBell> surely the wiki can be locked from anonymous edits
[17:55] <pleia2> (no need to move everything, I think)
[17:55] <pleia2> AlanBell: these people had lp accounts, they weren't anonymous
[17:57] <AlanBell> oh :-(
[17:58] <akgraner> pleia2, I'm on call now but let me know if you need me to do anything
[17:59] <pleia2> akgraner: thanks, I think we're ok for now (and I'm at work anyway)
[21:02] <airurando_> Hello akgraner and elky
[21:02] <czajkowski> airurando_: hey
[21:02] <czajkowski> jsut to let folks know airurando_ daughter Orla won the 1st prize
[21:03] <airurando_> Yes I'm logged in through webchat so not familiar with setup.
[21:03] <AlanBell> hi airurando_
[21:03] <AlanBell> I have an Orla too
[21:04] <airurando_> Hi AlanBell
[21:04] <maco> is that a popular name these days?
[21:04] <akgraner> hi airurando_ !
[21:05] <AlanBell> it is an irish name, reasonably popular I think
[21:05] <AlanBell> I had never heard of it 8 years ago
[21:06] <airurando_> Just wanted to say a very big thank you again to all the folks in here especially akgraner, elky and czajkowski.
[21:06] <akgraner> airurando_, you are very welcome!  it was very exciting for all of us as well
[21:07] <airurando_> AlanBell not as popular as you might think.  Orlaith is possibly the more popular gaelic spelling
[21:07] <czajkowski> we do like to support our team members :)
[21:08] <AlanBell> I think there are three Orlas in the primary school that Orla goes to
[21:08] <AlanBell> in Surrey
[21:08] <airurando_> akgraner She can't wait to get the interview questions.
[21:08] <czajkowski> and orla is coming along to the next Ubuntu hour
[21:08] <czajkowski> :)
[21:09] <akgraner> That is awesome!
[21:09] <airurando_> AlanBell that is amazig.  Never thought it was so popular.
[21:09] <MichelleQ> congrats airurando_
[21:09] <czajkowski> airurando_: when orla get her laptop you'll have to show her IRC so she can log on in here
[21:11] <airurando_> Thanks MichelleQ
[21:11] <airurando_> czajkowski will do
[21:13] <AlanBell> there is #ubuntu-youth too for the younglings
[21:13] <czajkowski> didnt know that
[21:15] <MichelleQ> neither did I
[21:15]  * airurando_ didn't know that either
[21:16] <airurando_> AlanBell: what age profile hangs out in #ubuntu-youth?
[21:16] <AlanBell> no idea, I am too old!
[21:16] <AlanBell> issyl0: ^^
[21:16] <airurando_> Fair point
[21:21] <airurando_> I promise I will get Orla to log in to this channel as one of her first tasks with the Terra A20.
[21:22] <czajkowski> good stuff
[21:22] <czajkowski> akgraner: I shall taake a photo of orla at the hour ;)
[21:23] <airurando_> once again heartfelt thanks to all.  I’m sure this competition will grow year on year.
[21:23] <czajkowski> aye should be good again next year
[21:23] <airurando_> It is a great advocacy tool
[21:24] <airurando_> must dash, bye for now.
[23:17] <valorie> haha, AlanBell - "younglings" has an enhanced meaning for Rob't Jordan fans
[23:17] <valorie> ;-)
[23:18] <AlanBell> oh?
[23:18] <AlanBell> it was a starwars reference
[23:18] <valorie> hmmm, I don't recall that one
[23:18] <valorie> googling....
[23:19] <AlanBell> Anakin went to the Jedi temple and killed all the younglings as he turned to the dark side
[23:19] <rww> ah, it's from the prequels that I didn't watch ;P
[23:19] <valorie> me either
[23:19] <AlanBell> they are the children who are strong in the force and have the potential to become Jedi
[23:20] <valorie> the Younglings in the Wheel of Time series are a sort of youth army
[23:21] <valorie> created out of one of the conflicts
[23:22] <valorie> these young men are also powerful, or have the potential
[23:22] <AlanBell> googling....
[23:22] <valorie> so it's a nice ring to it
[23:24] <AlanBell> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Initiate there is a page all about them on "Wookieepedia"
[23:25] <AlanBell> and I was being species neutral, how about that for political correctness!
[23:29] <valorie> oops, this should have been in the other chan
[23:29] <valorie> sorry