[01:24] <hexdump_> hey all!
[01:24] <hexdump_> I got a lil question here.  I forget how to change it where I automatically login on xubuntu 9.10
[01:25] <hexdump_> I went to system login screen and for some reason I couldn't unlock it to change it.
[01:28] <ochosi> hexdump_, what do you mean?
[01:29] <ochosi> click "unlock", enter your root-password and change it
[01:30] <hexdump_> ochosi:  I want to login without typing in a password because I want to ssh into my headless box.
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[01:31] <hexdump_> ochosi:  it's being stupid it won't let me
[01:31] <ochosi> hexdump_, be a bit more specific, what's the problem?
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[01:32] <hexdump_> ochosi:  Ok, I when I try and click unlock nothing happens.  Simple as that.
[01:32] <hexdump_> there has to be another method.
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[01:32] <ochosi> hexdump_, yes, let me have a quick look
[01:32] <hexdump_> ochosi:  thanks, I'm trying to figure it out as well.
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[03:26] <dr4c4n> has anyone run into bug 546992 on xubuntu after lucid lynx and been able to find the hal upgrade in the -proposed sources?
[04:54] <likemindead> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html
[04:54] <likemindead> Dangit... wrong window; sorry.
[09:26] <bardo_> hello to all. i have a intel 855 graphic driver, xubuntu 10.04 doesen'e work correctly with that hardware, does anyone knows a solution, is there any upgrade to resolve the problem?
[09:29] <TheSheep> maybe check the forums, they usually have the best info
[13:52] <mthorn> I recently installed 10.04 and once or twice a day, my left click stops working for about 5 minutes. After 5 minutes, my ability to left click comes back on it's own. I've tried killing every running application, but that doesn't fix the problem. I don't think it's hardware, because I've seen it while using an external mouse
[13:52] <mthorn> is this a known bug? perhaps with a solution?
[14:02] <knome> do you plug the mouse into an usb port? have you tried an another port?
[14:17] <mthorn> knome, this is a laptop, so I've tried the touchpad and 1 usb port
[14:17] <mthorn> I'll try the other the next time this happens.
[14:19] <moetunes> or you could read dmesg to see if the fail gets logged
[14:33] <Darth_Tux> morning all
[14:33] <charlie-tca> !hi | Darth_Tux
[14:34] <Darth_Tux> :D
[14:34] <Darth_Tux> charlie-tca: is it a big deal to "upgrade" from ubuntu to xubuntu
[14:34] <charlie-tca> nope
[14:35] <Sysi> install xubuntu-desktop
[14:35] <Darth_Tux> will i need to manually remove stuff?
[14:35] <charlie-tca> you can do it in terminal using "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[14:35] <Darth_Tux> doing it in synaptic atm
[14:35] <charlie-tca> If you want a pure xubuntu environment, yes. But it is not necessary
[14:35] <Darth_Tux> though i usually use terminal
[14:35] <Sysi> !purexfce
[14:35] <Sysi> if you want
[14:36] <Darth_Tux> Sysi: ty
[14:36] <Darth_Tux> i will probably remove more than just that as well
[14:37] <Darth_Tux> ubuntu seems a bit slow to me
[14:38] <Sysi> how much RAM?
[14:39] <Darth_Tux> 4G
[14:39] <Sysi> DE shouldn't matter anything, but try
[14:40] <Darth_Tux> I have used xubuntu, now using ubuntu, could just be my perception
[14:40] <charlie-tca> New info - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[14:41] <Sysi> i use xubu because i like it more
[14:42] <Darth_Tux> 4G almost seems like overkill, but i also run a virtual machine a bit
[15:02] <Darth_Tux> Sysi charlie-tca thanks for the help
[15:03] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:03] <fm2209> I've got a big problem
[15:03] <charlie-tca> !problem
[15:03] <fm2209> I am using xfce with xmonad
[15:03] <fm2209> ok sorry
[15:04] <fm2209> When I log on in xfce, the desktop is there but there is no panel, so no system tray and conseguently no network-manager applet and no internet
[15:04] <charlie-tca> You can manually add the connection to /etc/network/interfaces
[15:04] <fm2209> I think I messed up something with the sessions, since I use a session with no xfwm4
[15:04] <Sysi> !panels
[15:05] <fm2209> thanks I'll try it now
[15:05] <charlie-tca> Without xfwm4, I don't know if you can get panels, can you?
[15:07] <fm2209> yes you can
[15:07] <fm2209> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_XFCE
[15:07] <fm2209> I've been using that setup for a year :P
[15:07] <fm2209> anyway now it works, thanks!
[15:07] <fm2209> going to the now-working pc
[15:49] <astroboy> I've got a laptop, my volume keys work fine, but they don't when I am playing music with goggles music manager
[15:53] <craigbass1976> WHat's this polkitd that keep eating up resources?
[15:56] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: the policykit daemon, it *should* be able to be disabled safely unless you are utilizing security policies using it
[15:57] <visitor1> what about the gam_srever?
[15:57] <craigbass1976> I'm not running much for security anything on this box.  How would I know?
[16:00] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: 'sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep -i pol' .... can you pastebin the output of that?
[16:01] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: we should be able to go from there
[16:01] <visitor1> its using often a lot of cpu power this gam_server and i wonder if deinstalling is a good idea?
[16:02] <craigbass1976> http://pastebin.com/g4Sf6Q6R
[16:02] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, ^^
[16:05] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: do you have a command called 'chkconfig'? try 'sudo chkconfig --list' and see if bash yells at you for it not being a known command
[16:06] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, None; I remember it from my fedora days...   apt-get install chkconfig?
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: nope, sorry ... that turned out to be a goose chase :P .... it appears that polkitd is launched as an autostarted app
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: so just settings->Auto Start and then remove it
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: that *should* work
[16:07] <maxamillion> (should being the operative term)
[16:07] <craigbass1976> I thought chkconfig was something to turn things off at boot, rather than edit the rc.d stuff
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: right, it is
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: I thought polkitd was launched at boot, it apparently isn't
[16:08] <craigbass1976> can I just get out of xfce, or have to reboot?
[16:09] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: should work to just logout and log back in, or you can kill the process and just stay logged in
[16:09] <craigbass1976> I also noticed this weekend that service apache restart is the preferred method, rather than /etc/init.d   True?
[16:09] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: 'sudo killall polkitd'
[16:10] <craigbass1976> Still running, according to top
[16:10] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: yes, service is preferred
[16:10] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: 'sudo killall -9 polkitd'
[16:10] <maxamillion> it might need a little more of a kick in the pants
[16:10] <craigbass1976> Oh, that's harsh... ;)
[16:11] <craigbass1976> Really...  Still there.  Let me get out.  brb
[16:14] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, still there.
[16:15] <craigbass1976> /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd is what's running I guess, and root started it
[16:15] <maxamillion> interesting
[16:16] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: you might have to uninstall it ... but I honestly don't know what negative effects that might have on the system and polkit is pretty integrated these days
[16:16] <Sysi> it appears in sessions & startup → autostart
[16:17] <craigbass1976> Policykit Authentication Agent
[16:17] <craigbass1976> It's off there
[16:17] <maxamillion> Sysi: yeah, we already tried removing that but it still runs
[16:18] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: did you try rebooting? I'm wondering if there's something else just running in the background that's not dying just from a log out
[16:18]  * maxamillion hates offering up rebooting as a fix on a *nix system ... but meh
[16:18] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, I did reboot; I've just killed it again (PID this time)
[16:19] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, me too; someone told me I need to reboot my point of sale server every month, but couldn't tell me why.  "You're to used to windows" I said
[16:19] <craigbass1976> polkitd is running again...  sheesh
[16:20] <craigbass1976> what is this process actually doing, besides leaking?
[16:23] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: well, its supposed to listen for events from apps that utilize pkcheck, pkexec, and pkaction then it checks policies in /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/ to find out if the user or group attempting to perform the action is authorized to do so
[16:23] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: it just allows for fine grained policy control
[16:24] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: its not supposed to leak :/
[17:09] <Reixo> Hi
[17:10] <Reixo> I want to download xubuntu on a laptop that I have (intel celeron 1,5 GHz, 192MB ram) and I'd like to know what version of xubuntu is reccommended
[17:11] <Sysi> newest
[17:11] <Sysi> 10.04
[17:11] <Sysi> with that ram lubuntu or crunchbang could be better
[17:11] <Reixo> Never heard of them.
[17:12] <Reixo> But i'm looking for something that would run smooth on such a pc
[17:12] <Reixo> I found some neat vids of Xubuntu.
[17:13] <Sysi> you'd need 512mb RAM for xubuntu to run smoothly, though that processor is pretty powerful
[17:14] <Reixo> Okay, oh, and can all of these ubuntu...versions...or mods....run all of the default ubuntu programs?
[17:14] <Reixo> Gimp, wine etc.
[17:15] <Sysi> of course
[17:15] <Reixo> Basically it all works on the same terminal
[17:15] <Reixo> I can't find a download on Lubuntu.net
[17:15] <Reixo> Hope this isn't going off topic
[17:16] <maxamillion> Reixo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.04.iso
[17:17] <maxamillion> Reixo: its the "Get lubuntu" link on the right hand side of the page
[17:17] <Sysi> or http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.04.iso.torrent
[17:17] <maxamillion> Reixo: they apparently aren't hosting from lubuntu.net
[17:19] <Reixo> Thanks alot!
[17:19] <Sysi> (they should really stop calling xubuntu lightweight)
[17:19] <Reixo> Oh and Sysi: Ubuntu wiki called xubuntu the light version of ubuntu.
[17:20] <Reixo> Anyways, Thanks alot.
[17:33] <astroboy> what is the terminal command to lock the screen?
[17:33] <Sysi> xflock4
[17:34] <astroboy> thanks.
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Sysi: lightweight and low memory are not the same thing
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Is lubuntu lightweight because it uses 30% less memory?
[17:48] <Sysi> as i understant lightweight pretty much is lover memory
[17:48] <Sysi> because that's the thing xubuntu is better than ubuntu
[17:49] <Sysi> (xfce/gnome)
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Well, compared to Ubuntu at 1GB of ram, I think a minumum of 256 is very lightweight
[17:49] <knome> Sysi, lover memory? oh my...
[17:49] <Sysi> does xubuntu actually run well on 256?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> but lightweight also refers to the applications used, and the amount of memory and size of the cpu they work well with
[17:50] <Sysi> knome: *should* be
[17:50] <knome> Sysi, lower = vähemmän, lover = rakastaja
[17:50] <charlie-tca> It does, if you do not open a bunch of windows at once. You have one application at a time running
[17:50] <Sysi> knome: harhar
[17:50] <knome> :P
[17:50]  * likemindead doesn't dig LXDE.
[17:50] <knome> likemindead, do you digg it then?
[17:51] <likemindead> Negative.
[17:51] <likemindead> Xfce > Openbox > GNOME
[17:51] <Sysi> lxde is okay but bit limited/hard of course
[17:51] <knome> Sysi, why "of course"
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not actually aim for the lowest memory systems in use. We leave that to distros like dsl, crunchbang, puppy...
[17:51] <knome> couldn't lightweight systems be easy to use?
[17:51] <Sysi> they can
[17:52] <Sysi> but that don't happen too often
[17:52] <Sysi> *doesn't
[17:53] <Sysi> but point taken, xubuntu don't fit really well for old systems, IMO
[17:53] <knome> saying "of course" leaves the image that they can't be
[17:53] <Sysi> never say never
[17:54] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I tried running lubuntu in 192MB, and it was not any better than xubuntu at 256MB
[17:54] <knome> charlie-tca, maybe we can think changing the memory requirement to something bigger than 256 now when ubuntu has 1GB
[17:55] <Sysi> if any buntu would work with my old intel i'd try
[17:55] <knome> charlie-tca, (i remember we had a discussion if 256 is good after all)
[17:55] <Sysi> if it has tested to be, let it be
[17:55] <charlie-tca> We could, but if it will install and run one-two applciations per the strategy document, it is not needed to be changed
[17:56] <Sysi> ubuntu wasn't good with 512MB at least, xubuntu was
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Sysi: which makes Xubuntu "lightweight". We compare directly to Ubuntu
[17:58] <Sysi> compared to ubuntu, xub is a bit more lightweight, but still not low-end business
[18:02] <likemindead> Agreed, Sysi.
[18:03] <likemindead> http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/technology/39471-nearly-every-supercomputer-runs-linux
[18:03] <likemindead> Sweet. :D
[18:04] <Sysi> is it worthless to ask here about compiling kernel?
[18:04] <Sysi> 2.6.34 compiling crashed my entire machine
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Isn't 34 in maverick already?
[18:05] <likemindead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile probably won't tell you much you don't already know...
[18:05] <charlie-tca> We have the maverick alternate images today
[18:05] <Sysi> i just wonder is that common problem and how much older could work..
[18:06] <Sysi> but maybe #elsewhere
[18:06] <charlie-tca> There's always #ubuntu-kernel
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Might ask in #ubuntu+1, too.
[18:07] <Sysi> ahem, i'm compiling on ubuntu but actually i now need it to other machine
[18:08] <Sysi> ubuntu worked of course (:) but fedora lacks that one driver from vanillakernel
[18:12] <Reixo> Hi, since #lubuntu is dead, i'll ask a few questions here, is it okay?
[18:13] <Reixo> First off: is it possible to install Lubuntu in windows, like you can install Ubuntu?
[18:13] <Reixo> Or I need to burn in to a CD and boot it up that way?
[18:13] <drizzt_> what is Lubuntu? it isn't supported distro
[18:14] <Reixo> Lubuntu is ubuntu running LXDE desktop
[18:14] <Sysi> i wouldn't recommend wubi-installation
[18:14] <Reixo> I think that's correct
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Reixo: I think you would have to have a "wubi" installer for it to install in windows, and I don't think they have one
[18:14] <Reixo> Darn it.
[18:14] <Reixo> I just uninstalled ubuntu 10.04
[18:14] <Reixo> Or it was 9.x
[18:17] <Reixo> But if I had some kind of Ubuntu installed, what would my Lubuntu install look like?
[18:17] <Reixo> sudo apt-get lubuntu? :S
[18:18] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[18:18] <Reixo> And then I will be able to delete the previous Ubuntu?
[18:19] <Reixo> (Sorry if I'm asking too many questions)
[18:19] <charlie-tca> drizzt_: lubuntu is now in the repositories. It is another dirivative distribution of Ubuntu using the lxde environment
[18:44] <Reixo> When I install Lubuntu from Xubuntu for example. Will i need to partition my HDD again?
[18:44] <Reixo> Or it will use Xubuntus partion
[18:45] <charlie-tca> if you installed it using "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop", you will not partition, it will simply install along with what is there. You will be able to choose which desktop to use when signing in, I think.
[18:46] <Reixo> Okay.
[18:46] <Reixo> Thanks again.
[21:12] <blue_anna> hey -- how involved is it to try out xfce on ubuntu? I mean to see the difference in speed too, not just to see what the xfce wm looks like :)
[21:13] <Sysi> install xubuntu-desktop and choose at login to use it
[21:14] <blue_anna> Sysi: thanks -- that's pretty simple :)
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Sysi: thank you for all your time and help in here
[21:15] <Sysi> you're welcome
[22:50] <alesio> why can't i connect to msn on pidgin?
[22:51] <dr4c4n> alesio: which version of pidgin?
[22:52] <alesio> 2.6.6
[22:53] <dr4c4n> try the latest release?
[22:54] <dr4c4n> also I remember msn adding something to their login protocol at some point, whereupon, pidgin refused my connection, but I updated, and it worked thereafter...
[22:54] <dr4c4n> hope that helps?
[22:54] <alesio> ok. i will. thanks!
[22:55] <dr4c4n> np, r u running xubuntu by any chance? that's what I had, and also you may have to download source, if apt package isn't the latest version, do you know how to do that?
[22:58] <alesio> i'm running xubuntu. could that be the problem?
[22:58] <alesio> i also have problems with hotmail
[22:59] <dr4c4n> running xubuntu isn't a problem.
[22:59] <dr4c4n> :)
[23:00] <dr4c4n> the problem is most likely with your version of pidgin and the updated msn protocol for connecting to their network..
[23:03] <alesio> :)
[23:03] <alesio> i'll try the latest release then. do you know which one would that be??
[23:04] <dr4c4n> looking at the pidgin site, it says 2.7.0, I'm not sure that's the *nix release..
[23:16] <_Anthony> dr4c4n msn is usually backwards compatible no?
[23:16] <_Anthony> and if you are aspecifying an older protocol
[23:16] <_Anthony> it will use the older one
[23:17] <dr4c4n> _Anthony: I had this same problem a while ago, and did a google search on it, other users of pidgin were having the same trouble till they updated to the latest version..
[23:17] <dr4c4n> _Anthony: I just offered a suggestion, as that's what I did to fix my problem.. :)
[23:18] <MalkavianManiac> !amsn
[23:20] <dr4c4n> brb cracking my case, so to speak
[23:20] <MalkavianManiac> amsn ---- A very nice MSN compatible messenger application. Works pretty much like its Windows based counterpart. Perfect for keeping in touch with those friends who have not yet seen the light.
[23:21] <MalkavianManiac> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/amsn
[23:23] <_Anthony> i see
[23:23] <_Anthony> it seems a bit odd that it would stop wrok
[23:23] <_Anthony> working*
[23:23] <drizzt_> how to use gigolo?
[23:24] <drizzt_> it shows icon of resource but nothing happens whe i'm clicking it and i caanot fing it mounted anywhere
[23:24] <dezza_k> hey all. When I go to Applications>System>language support, I get asked to install language support but it doesn't accept my password (which I know is right). Any ideas how to fix this?
[23:24] <drizzt_> dezza_k, then it's wrong
[23:26] <dezza_k> drizzt_, I have it in plaintext in a text editor, copied to the clipboard. It works when I paste it into a terminal using the sudo command, but no when I paste it into the gksu/gksudo window for language support
[23:27] <drizzt_> dezza_k, run sudo gnome-language-support in terminal then
[23:28] <dezza_k> drizzt_, dezza@Demetria:~$ sudo gnome-language-support
[23:28] <dezza_k> sudo: gnome-language-support: command not found
[23:29] <dezza_k> I have my suspicions that the language support is using gksu, when it should be using gksudo
[23:29] <drizzt_> oh it's -selector
[23:29] <dezza_k> that worked, thanks
[23:56] <blue_anna> what is the name of that keyboard layout panel item?
[23:56] <blue_anna> that things beautiful