=== `mOOse` is now known as m00se
[01:24] <hexdump_> hey all!
[01:24] <hexdump_> I got a lil question here.  I forget how to change it where I automatically login on xubuntu 9.10
[01:25] <hexdump_> I went to system login screen and for some reason I couldn't unlock it to change it.
[01:28] <ochosi> hexdump_, what do you mean?
[01:29] <ochosi> click "unlock", enter your root-password and change it
[01:30] <hexdump_> ochosi:  I want to login without typing in a password because I want to ssh into my headless box.
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[01:31] <hexdump_> ochosi:  it's being stupid it won't let me
[01:31] <ochosi> hexdump_, be a bit more specific, what's the problem?
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[01:32] <hexdump_> ochosi:  Ok, I when I try and click unlock nothing happens.  Simple as that.
[01:32] <hexdump_> there has to be another method.
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[01:32] <ochosi> hexdump_, yes, let me have a quick look
[01:32] <hexdump_> ochosi:  thanks, I'm trying to figure it out as well.
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[03:26] <dr4c4n> has anyone run into bug 546992 on xubuntu after lucid lynx and been able to find the hal upgrade in the -proposed sources?
[04:54] <likemindead> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html
[04:54] <likemindead> Dangit... wrong window; sorry.
[09:26] <bardo_> hello to all. i have a intel 855 graphic driver, xubuntu 10.04 doesen'e work correctly with that hardware, does anyone knows a solution, is there any upgrade to resolve the problem?
[09:29] <TheSheep> maybe check the forums, they usually have the best info
[13:52] <mthorn> I recently installed 10.04 and once or twice a day, my left click stops working for about 5 minutes. After 5 minutes, my ability to left click comes back on it's own. I've tried killing every running application, but that doesn't fix the problem. I don't think it's hardware, because I've seen it while using an external mouse
[13:52] <mthorn> is this a known bug? perhaps with a solution?
[14:02] <knome> do you plug the mouse into an usb port? have you tried an another port?
[14:17] <mthorn> knome, this is a laptop, so I've tried the touchpad and 1 usb port
[14:17] <mthorn> I'll try the other the next time this happens.
[14:19] <moetunes> or you could read dmesg to see if the fail gets logged
[14:33] <Darth_Tux> morning all
[14:33] <charlie-tca> !hi | Darth_Tux
[14:33] <ubottu> Darth_Tux: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[14:34] <Darth_Tux> :D
[14:34] <Darth_Tux> charlie-tca: is it a big deal to "upgrade" from ubuntu to xubuntu
[14:34] <charlie-tca> nope
[14:35] <Sysi> install xubuntu-desktop
[14:35] <Darth_Tux> will i need to manually remove stuff?
[14:35] <charlie-tca> you can do it in terminal using "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[14:35] <Darth_Tux> doing it in synaptic atm
[14:35] <charlie-tca> If you want a pure xubuntu environment, yes. But it is not necessary
[14:35] <Darth_Tux> though i usually use terminal
[14:35] <Sysi> !purexfce
[14:35] <ubottu> If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »
[14:35] <Sysi> if you want
[14:36] <Darth_Tux> Sysi: ty
[14:36] <Darth_Tux> i will probably remove more than just that as well
[14:37] <Darth_Tux> ubuntu seems a bit slow to me
[14:38] <Sysi> how much RAM?
[14:39] <Darth_Tux> 4G
[14:39] <Sysi> DE shouldn't matter anything, but try
[14:40] <Darth_Tux> I have used xubuntu, now using ubuntu, could just be my perception
[14:40] <charlie-tca> New info - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[14:41] <Sysi> i use xubu because i like it more
[14:42] <Darth_Tux> 4G almost seems like overkill, but i also run a virtual machine a bit
[15:02] <Darth_Tux> Sysi charlie-tca thanks for the help
[15:03] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:03] <fm2209> I've got a big problem
[15:03] <charlie-tca> !problem
[15:03] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[15:03] <fm2209> I am using xfce with xmonad
[15:03] <fm2209> ok sorry
[15:04] <fm2209> When I log on in xfce, the desktop is there but there is no panel, so no system tray and conseguently no network-manager applet and no internet
[15:04] <charlie-tca> You can manually add the connection to /etc/network/interfaces
[15:04] <fm2209> I think I messed up something with the sessions, since I use a session with no xfwm4
[15:04] <Sysi> !panels
[15:04] <ubottu> Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/
[15:05] <fm2209> thanks I'll try it now
[15:05] <charlie-tca> Without xfwm4, I don't know if you can get panels, can you?
[15:07] <fm2209> yes you can
[15:07] <fm2209> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_XFCE
[15:07] <fm2209> I've been using that setup for a year :P
[15:07] <fm2209> anyway now it works, thanks!
[15:07] <fm2209> going to the now-working pc
[15:49] <astroboy> I've got a laptop, my volume keys work fine, but they don't when I am playing music with goggles music manager
[15:53] <craigbass1976> WHat's this polkitd that keep eating up resources?
[15:56] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: the policykit daemon, it *should* be able to be disabled safely unless you are utilizing security policies using it
[15:57] <visitor1> what about the gam_srever?
[15:57] <craigbass1976> I'm not running much for security anything on this box.  How would I know?
[16:00] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: 'sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep -i pol' .... can you pastebin the output of that?
[16:01] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: we should be able to go from there
[16:01] <visitor1> its using often a lot of cpu power this gam_server and i wonder if deinstalling is a good idea?
[16:02] <craigbass1976> http://pastebin.com/g4Sf6Q6R
[16:02] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, ^^
[16:05] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: do you have a command called 'chkconfig'? try 'sudo chkconfig --list' and see if bash yells at you for it not being a known command
[16:06] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, None; I remember it from my fedora days...   apt-get install chkconfig?
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: nope, sorry ... that turned out to be a goose chase :P .... it appears that polkitd is launched as an autostarted app
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: so just settings->Auto Start and then remove it
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: that *should* work
[16:07] <maxamillion> (should being the operative term)
[16:07] <craigbass1976> I thought chkconfig was something to turn things off at boot, rather than edit the rc.d stuff
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: right, it is
[16:07] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: I thought polkitd was launched at boot, it apparently isn't
[16:08] <craigbass1976> can I just get out of xfce, or have to reboot?
[16:09] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: should work to just logout and log back in, or you can kill the process and just stay logged in
[16:09] <craigbass1976> I also noticed this weekend that service apache restart is the preferred method, rather than /etc/init.d   True?
[16:09] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: 'sudo killall polkitd'
[16:10] <craigbass1976> Still running, according to top
[16:10] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: yes, service is preferred
[16:10] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: 'sudo killall -9 polkitd'
[16:10] <maxamillion> it might need a little more of a kick in the pants
[16:10] <craigbass1976> Oh, that's harsh... ;)
[16:11] <craigbass1976> Really...  Still there.  Let me get out.  brb
[16:14] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, still there.
[16:15] <craigbass1976> /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd is what's running I guess, and root started it
[16:15] <maxamillion> interesting
[16:16] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: you might have to uninstall it ... but I honestly don't know what negative effects that might have on the system and polkit is pretty integrated these days
[16:16] <Sysi> it appears in sessions & startup → autostart
[16:17] <craigbass1976> Policykit Authentication Agent
[16:17] <craigbass1976> It's off there
[16:17] <maxamillion> Sysi: yeah, we already tried removing that but it still runs
[16:18] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: did you try rebooting? I'm wondering if there's something else just running in the background that's not dying just from a log out
[16:18]  * maxamillion hates offering up rebooting as a fix on a *nix system ... but meh
[16:18] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, I did reboot; I've just killed it again (PID this time)
[16:19] <craigbass1976> maxamillion, me too; someone told me I need to reboot my point of sale server every month, but couldn't tell me why.  "You're to used to windows" I said
[16:19] <craigbass1976> polkitd is running again...  sheesh
[16:20] <craigbass1976> what is this process actually doing, besides leaking?
[16:23] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: well, its supposed to listen for events from apps that utilize pkcheck, pkexec, and pkaction then it checks policies in /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/ to find out if the user or group attempting to perform the action is authorized to do so
[16:23] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: it just allows for fine grained policy control
[16:24] <maxamillion> craigbass1976: its not supposed to leak :/
[17:09] <Reixo> Hi
[17:10] <Reixo> I want to download xubuntu on a laptop that I have (intel celeron 1,5 GHz, 192MB ram) and I'd like to know what version of xubuntu is reccommended
[17:11] <Sysi> newest
[17:11] <Sysi> 10.04
[17:11] <Sysi> with that ram lubuntu or crunchbang could be better
[17:11] <Reixo> Never heard of them.
[17:12] <Reixo> But i'm looking for something that would run smooth on such a pc
[17:12] <Reixo> I found some neat vids of Xubuntu.
[17:13] <Sysi> you'd need 512mb RAM for xubuntu to run smoothly, though that processor is pretty powerful
[17:14] <Reixo> Okay, oh, and can all of these ubuntu...versions...or mods....run all of the default ubuntu programs?
[17:14] <Reixo> Gimp, wine etc.
[17:15] <Sysi> of course
[17:15] <Reixo> Basically it all works on the same terminal
[17:15] <Reixo> I can't find a download on Lubuntu.net
[17:15] <Reixo> Hope this isn't going off topic
[17:16] <maxamillion> Reixo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.04.iso
[17:17] <maxamillion> Reixo: its the "Get lubuntu" link on the right hand side of the page
[17:17] <Sysi> or http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.04.iso.torrent
[17:17] <maxamillion> Reixo: they apparently aren't hosting from lubuntu.net
[17:19] <Reixo> Thanks alot!
[17:19] <Sysi> (they should really stop calling xubuntu lightweight)
[17:19] <Reixo> Oh and Sysi: Ubuntu wiki called xubuntu the light version of ubuntu.
[17:20] <Reixo> Anyways, Thanks alot.
[17:33] <astroboy> what is the terminal command to lock the screen?
[17:33] <Sysi> xflock4
[17:34] <astroboy> thanks.
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Sysi: lightweight and low memory are not the same thing
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Is lubuntu lightweight because it uses 30% less memory?
[17:48] <Sysi> as i understant lightweight pretty much is lover memory
[17:48] <Sysi> because that's the thing xubuntu is better than ubuntu
[17:49] <Sysi> (xfce/gnome)
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Well, compared to Ubuntu at 1GB of ram, I think a minumum of 256 is very lightweight
[17:49] <knome> Sysi, lover memory? oh my...
[17:49] <Sysi> does xubuntu actually run well on 256?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> but lightweight also refers to the applications used, and the amount of memory and size of the cpu they work well with
[17:50] <Sysi> knome: *should* be
[17:50] <knome> Sysi, lower = vähemmän, lover = rakastaja
[17:50] <charlie-tca> It does, if you do not open a bunch of windows at once. You have one application at a time running
[17:50] <Sysi> knome: harhar
[17:50] <knome> :P
[17:50]  * likemindead doesn't dig LXDE.
[17:50] <knome> likemindead, do you digg it then?
[17:51] <likemindead> Negative.
[17:51] <likemindead> Xfce > Openbox > GNOME
[17:51] <Sysi> lxde is okay but bit limited/hard of course
[17:51] <knome> Sysi, why "of course"
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not actually aim for the lowest memory systems in use. We leave that to distros like dsl, crunchbang, puppy...
[17:51] <knome> couldn't lightweight systems be easy to use?
[17:51] <Sysi> they can
[17:52] <Sysi> but that don't happen too often
[17:52] <Sysi> *doesn't
[17:53] <Sysi> but point taken, xubuntu don't fit really well for old systems, IMO
[17:53] <knome> saying "of course" leaves the image that they can't be
[17:53] <Sysi> never say never
[17:54] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I tried running lubuntu in 192MB, and it was not any better than xubuntu at 256MB
[17:54] <knome> charlie-tca, maybe we can think changing the memory requirement to something bigger than 256 now when ubuntu has 1GB
[17:55] <Sysi> if any buntu would work with my old intel i'd try
[17:55] <knome> charlie-tca, (i remember we had a discussion if 256 is good after all)
[17:55] <Sysi> if it has tested to be, let it be
[17:55] <charlie-tca> We could, but if it will install and run one-two applciations per the strategy document, it is not needed to be changed
[17:56] <Sysi> ubuntu wasn't good with 512MB at least, xubuntu was
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Sysi: which makes Xubuntu "lightweight". We compare directly to Ubuntu
[17:58] <Sysi> compared to ubuntu, xub is a bit more lightweight, but still not low-end business
[18:02] <likemindead> Agreed, Sysi.
[18:03] <likemindead> http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/technology/39471-nearly-every-supercomputer-runs-linux
[18:03] <likemindead> Sweet. :D
[18:04] <Sysi> is it worthless to ask here about compiling kernel?
[18:04] <Sysi> 2.6.34 compiling crashed my entire machine
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Isn't 34 in maverick already?
[18:05] <likemindead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile probably won't tell you much you don't already know...
[18:05] <charlie-tca> We have the maverick alternate images today
[18:05] <Sysi> i just wonder is that common problem and how much older could work..
[18:06] <Sysi> but maybe #elsewhere
[18:06] <charlie-tca> There's always #ubuntu-kernel
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Might ask in #ubuntu+1, too.
[18:07] <Sysi> ahem, i'm compiling on ubuntu but actually i now need it to other machine
[18:08] <Sysi> ubuntu worked of course (:) but fedora lacks that one driver from vanillakernel
[18:12] <Reixo> Hi, since #lubuntu is dead, i'll ask a few questions here, is it okay?
[18:13] <Reixo> First off: is it possible to install Lubuntu in windows, like you can install Ubuntu?
[18:13] <Reixo> Or I need to burn in to a CD and boot it up that way?
[18:13] <drizzt_> what is Lubuntu? it isn't supported distro
[18:14] <Reixo> Lubuntu is ubuntu running LXDE desktop
[18:14] <Sysi> i wouldn't recommend wubi-installation
[18:14] <Reixo> I think that's correct
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Reixo: I think you would have to have a "wubi" installer for it to install in windows, and I don't think they have one
[18:14] <Reixo> Darn it.
[18:14] <Reixo> I just uninstalled ubuntu 10.04
[18:14] <Reixo> Or it was 9.x
[18:17] <Reixo> But if I had some kind of Ubuntu installed, what would my Lubuntu install look like?
[18:17] <Reixo> sudo apt-get lubuntu? :S
[18:18] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[18:18] <Reixo> And then I will be able to delete the previous Ubuntu?
[18:19] <Reixo> (Sorry if I'm asking too many questions)
[18:19] <charlie-tca> drizzt_: lubuntu is now in the repositories. It is another dirivative distribution of Ubuntu using the lxde environment
[18:44] <Reixo> When I install Lubuntu from Xubuntu for example. Will i need to partition my HDD again?
[18:44] <Reixo> Or it will use Xubuntus partion
[18:45] <charlie-tca> if you installed it using "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop", you will not partition, it will simply install along with what is there. You will be able to choose which desktop to use when signing in, I think.
[18:46] <Reixo> Okay.
[18:46] <Reixo> Thanks again.
[21:12] <blue_anna> hey -- how involved is it to try out xfce on ubuntu? I mean to see the difference in speed too, not just to see what the xfce wm looks like :)
[21:13] <Sysi> install xubuntu-desktop and choose at login to use it
[21:14] <blue_anna> Sysi: thanks -- that's pretty simple :)
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Sysi: thank you for all your time and help in here
[21:15] <Sysi> you're welcome
[22:50] <alesio> why can't i connect to msn on pidgin?
[22:51] <dr4c4n> alesio: which version of pidgin?
[22:52] <alesio> 2.6.6
[22:53] <dr4c4n> try the latest release?
[22:54] <dr4c4n> also I remember msn adding something to their login protocol at some point, whereupon, pidgin refused my connection, but I updated, and it worked thereafter...
[22:54] <dr4c4n> hope that helps?
[22:54] <alesio> ok. i will. thanks!
[22:55] <dr4c4n> np, r u running xubuntu by any chance? that's what I had, and also you may have to download source, if apt package isn't the latest version, do you know how to do that?
[22:58] <alesio> i'm running xubuntu. could that be the problem?
[22:58] <alesio> i also have problems with hotmail
[22:59] <dr4c4n> running xubuntu isn't a problem.
[22:59] <dr4c4n> :)
[23:00] <dr4c4n> the problem is most likely with your version of pidgin and the updated msn protocol for connecting to their network..
[23:03] <alesio> :)
[23:03] <alesio> i'll try the latest release then. do you know which one would that be??
[23:04] <dr4c4n> looking at the pidgin site, it says 2.7.0, I'm not sure that's the *nix release..
[23:16] <_Anthony> dr4c4n msn is usually backwards compatible no?
[23:16] <_Anthony> and if you are aspecifying an older protocol
[23:16] <_Anthony> it will use the older one
[23:17] <dr4c4n> _Anthony: I had this same problem a while ago, and did a google search on it, other users of pidgin were having the same trouble till they updated to the latest version..
[23:17] <dr4c4n> _Anthony: I just offered a suggestion, as that's what I did to fix my problem.. :)
[23:18] <MalkavianManiac> !amsn
[23:20] <dr4c4n> brb cracking my case, so to speak
[23:20] <MalkavianManiac> amsn ---- A very nice MSN compatible messenger application. Works pretty much like its Windows based counterpart. Perfect for keeping in touch with those friends who have not yet seen the light.
[23:21] <MalkavianManiac> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/amsn
[23:23] <_Anthony> i see
[23:23] <_Anthony> it seems a bit odd that it would stop wrok
[23:23] <_Anthony> working*
[23:23] <drizzt_> how to use gigolo?
[23:24] <drizzt_> it shows icon of resource but nothing happens whe i'm clicking it and i caanot fing it mounted anywhere
[23:24] <dezza_k> hey all. When I go to Applications>System>language support, I get asked to install language support but it doesn't accept my password (which I know is right). Any ideas how to fix this?
[23:24] <drizzt_> dezza_k, then it's wrong
[23:26] <dezza_k> drizzt_, I have it in plaintext in a text editor, copied to the clipboard. It works when I paste it into a terminal using the sudo command, but no when I paste it into the gksu/gksudo window for language support
[23:27] <drizzt_> dezza_k, run sudo gnome-language-support in terminal then
[23:28] <dezza_k> drizzt_, dezza@Demetria:~$ sudo gnome-language-support
[23:28] <dezza_k> sudo: gnome-language-support: command not found
[23:29] <dezza_k> I have my suspicions that the language support is using gksu, when it should be using gksudo
[23:29] <drizzt_> oh it's -selector
[23:29] <dezza_k> that worked, thanks
[23:56] <blue_anna> what is the name of that keyboard layout panel item?
[23:56] <blue_anna> that things beautiful