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claydohapachelogger: email sent, hope it is at least somewhat useful00:04
apacheloggerohm :/00:07
apacheloggerclaydoh: thanks00:07
ryanakcaRiddell: Sure, have it ready?00:32
Riddellryanakca: yo00:39
Riddellryanakca: 4.4.4 is in the updates PPA, you can probably just copy and update the 00:39
Riddellthe 4.4.3 article00:39
ryanakcaRiddell: OK00:49
ryanakcaRiddell: Shall we put the gears part of the Kubuntu logo as the hackergotchi for our feed on planet.ubuntu.com?00:49
ryanakcaIn any case, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.4.400:52
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valoriefolks, I have no time for fixing right now, but updated KDE today03:05
valorieand now amarok will not start03:05
valoriefreshly built from git -- still no go03:06
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133572 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (7 files) Use the Q_DECLARE_PRIVATE and Q_D macros for 100% const correctness apachelogger: ^03:57
JontheEchidnaQApt::Package does need a lot of work. And a private class, for that matter.03:57
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133573 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/cache.h These aren't really slots...03:59
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133575 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) These should be const04:02
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133580 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) More const correctness fixes. Warning, breaks ABI. Better now than later, though.04:20
lex79JontheEchidna: when you have time https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages04:31
lex79and retry this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wally/2.3.2-0ubuntu1/+build/174553504:32
lex79and this: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rkward/0.5.3-2/+build/174590004:32
lex79thanks :)04:32
JontheEchidnalex79: builds retried. Unless somebody gets to those packages first, I'll sponsor them tomorrow morning04:32
* JontheEchidna wanders off to bed04:33
lex79yeah04:33
ScottKRiddell: We need NCommander.  kdebindings just FTBFS on armel with one of his favorites ....05:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna++09:17
apacheloggeroh oh oh09:33
apacheloggerclaydoh: I think I have an idea why your ubuntuone-auth terminates09:34
apacheloggernot why authing fails though09:34
KRFapachelogger: 384MB, afaik09:50
apacheloggerkthx09:51
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Riddellmaverick works!11:18
Riddellbut why on earth do I have two panels? http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/maverick.png11:18
KRF2 > 111:24
KRFRiddell: what icon set is this?11:25
Riddelloh don't start that again11:28
Tm_TKRF: defaults, so oxygen + air11:29
apacheloggerRiddell: one coming from plasma and one coming from us I suppose11:33
Riddelllucky us11:34
apacheloggerdepends on the POV ^^11:36
jussiooh, interesting...11:37
jussimaverick looks fun!11:37
jussiI think it might be VM install time...11:37
apacheloggerOo11:47
* apachelogger is apparenlty too stupid to read from a binary file -.-11:47
Riddelljussi: it didn't work for me in a virtualbox VM, KDM crashes on startup11:48
apparleguys I have installed kdevelop but I donot get anything when I type d-> ? what could be the problem11:48
jussiRiddell: ahh :(11:48
apparlethe project uses Q_Q and Q_D. Do I need to have any more packages installed to use them11:50
apacheloggerdo you actually use the Q_D macro in the function?11:51
apacheloggermaybe kdevelop is just silly though11:51
apparleapachelogger: yes I have used it11:51
apacheloggerthen probably kdevelop is bugged11:51
apachelogger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!position: 1311:51
apacheloggerread: 111:51
apacheloggerposition: 1511:51
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about position: 1311:51
apacheloggercan someone explain that?11:51
apacheloggerthat is a ifsream and for some reason it goes from 13 to 15 :/11:51
apparleapachelogger: and when I keep my mouse over Q_D it says Q_D is not defined, so it seems it is not taking the macro defination.11:53
apacheloggerhm11:53
apparleapachelogger: and considering qt recommends not to use Q_D, do I need a -dev package installed11:53
apacheloggermaybe you should use the Q_DECLARE_PRIVATE macro first :P11:53
apacheloggerotherwise Q_D will indeed not be AFAIK11:53
apparleapachelogger: all that is done11:54
apacheloggerwell11:54
apacheloggerit would help if you could upload the code somewhere11:54
apparleapachelogger: its shaman code, in playground/sysadmin, I am just modifying a function11:55
apacheloggerapparle: did you introduce dptrs or was this there already?11:55
apparleapachelogger: did you get my message?12:02
apacheloggerno12:02
apparleapachelogger: the code is in playground/sysadmin/shaman12:03
apacheloggeryeah12:03
apacheloggerthere is a lot of code12:03
apparleapachelogger: in libshaman/coreplugin.cpp12:03
apparleapachelogger: in libshaman/shamancoreplugin.cpp12:03
apacheloggerworks here12:04
apacheloggeralso there are already Q_D usages throughout that file12:04
apparleapachelogger: ya that's what I said, so why doesn't it work at my place. 12:05
apparleapachelogger: do I need to have some qt dev package? or kde dev package?12:05
apachelogger[12:51:28] <apachelogger> then probably kdevelop is bugged12:05
apacheloggerQ_D is defined in qglobal.h12:06
apacheloggeryou cannot do anything without that file to begin with12:06
apparleapachelogger: and that file is in which kubuntu package12:06
apacheloggerdunno12:06
apacheloggerlibqt4-dev probably12:06
apparleapachelogger: there is some command for apt isn't it?12:07
apacheloggerhuh?12:07
apacheloggerwhat command?12:07
JontheEchidna!find qglobal.h12:07
ubottuFile qglobal.h found in libqt3-headers, libqt4-dev12:07
JontheEchidna!info dlocate12:07
ubottudlocate (source: dlocate): fast alternative to dpkg -L and dpkg -S. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.02 (lucid), package size 22 kB, installed size 168 kB12:07
JontheEchidnadlocate qglobals.h, for local magic12:08
apparleapachelogger: ok thanks I'll check if I have libqt4-dev12:08
apparleapachelogger: I have it installed12:09
apachelogger[13:05:32] <apachelogger> [12:51:28] <apachelogger> then probably kdevelop is bugged12:10
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: btw, have you seen that ubuntuone-kde build failure on amd64? Happens locally for me, too12:11
apacheloggeryeah12:11
apacheloggerits because of the static linking most likely12:11
apparleapachelogger: I am not getting options for any objects for that particular project only, any ideas12:26
apacheloggerapparle: #kdevelop12:26
apacheloggerif that exists12:26
apparleapachelogger: it does, but ususally I don't get any reply :(12:27
apacheloggerwell12:27
apacheloggerI do not use ugly software12:27
apacheloggerso I am of no help with kdevelop12:27
apparleapachelogger: kdevelop seems good to me, but it doesn't have any damn documentation :( 12:28
apparleapachelogger: do you know any other ide. or how to import a cmake project in qtcreator12:46
apparlewhat is the name of package of kde4 dev files12:59
Tm_Tkde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules13:01
apparleTm_T: how come kdevelop doesn't install them13:04
Tm_Tapparle: because it doesn't need them to be able to run and work?13:05
apparleTm_T: ohh13:05
Tm_Tapparle: ofcourse if you want to develop, let's say, plasma, you would need to install related headers then13:06
apparleTm_T: there should be some tutorial or something, for getting started in kde development in kubuntu etc13:07
* txwikinger wonders what he could do today13:11
apparleTm_T:  apachelogger: I didn't have kde dev libraries so kdevelop was not working, thanks13:33
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JontheEchidnaneat, we can sync kde-style-qtcurve now \o/13:42
ScottKRiddell: Your netbook install worked?13:54
RiddellScottK: yes indeed13:55
ScottKOK.  I think I'll upgrade my netbook for real so I have an actual test platform again.13:55
Riddellah well, upgrade, that's unchartered territory13:57
ScottKCertainly.14:01
ScottKI work very hard to make sure there's nothing on the netbook I actually care about.14:01
ScottKIf it dies, it dies.14:01
* ScottK reinstalled it twice during UDS.14:02
JontheEchidnaNice, kubuntu-notification-helper actually got translated in 10.04: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49553208/wrong_kubuntu.png14:25
ScottKLucid -> Maverick i386 upgrade test in progres ....14:28
shadeslayerMaverick iso up for testing ;)14:28
JontheEchidnaSo, in 10.04 kpackagekit depends on kdebase-workspace-bin. It did this because the policykit-kde dialog used to be in that package in 9.10. Would it be SRU-worthy to change this dependency?14:28
JontheEchidnasince kdebase-runtime recommends kubuntu-debug-installer which depends on kpackagekit, all KDE apps in lucid bring in kdebase-workspace14:29
shadeslayeri wonder if the maverick iso has 4.5 packages...14:29
ScottKCould it be called a regression?14:29
ScottKshadeslayer: 4.5 beta, yes.14:29
shadeslayerScottK: oh awesome.. ill probably install it then :P14:29
ScottKNot ones you can install on Lucid though.14:30
shadeslayerScottK: of course ;)14:30
ScottKshadeslayer: Qt 4.7 beta too.14:30
JontheEchidnaScottK: Previous releases did not require so much KDE to run simple KDE applications, and technically the dependency is wrong.14:30
shadeslayerScottK: Archlinux+Kubuntu Maverick== Will be Awesome14:30
ScottKJontheEchidna: Then it's a regression and SRU worthy.  Particularly since it's a low risk change.14:31
ScottKshadeslayer: Archlinux is really off topic here.14:31
JontheEchidnaOK14:31
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RiddellScottK, JontheEchidna: if we're talking SRUs and changing lucid seeds, we had a request from calc to add ttf-liberation14:33
Riddellelse openoffice defaults to poor fonts14:33
ScottKOK.  I can do that when I do kdebase-plasma14:34
ScottKRiddell: Is there a bug for that?14:34
RiddellScottK: not that I know of14:34
Riddellbut we'd need to check how it affects CD size14:34
ScottKRight.14:35
ScottKInstalled size is ~1MB.14:36
Riddelland I think all our images have >1MB to spare14:37
Riddellyes they do14:41
RiddellScottK: launchpad.net/bugs/58872314:58
RiddellScottK: added to lucid seed so if you're rebuilding kubuntu-meta check that gets in too15:18
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133812 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (qaptbatch.cpp qaptbatch.h) Split out the DBus calls to the QApt worker into a function.15:21
ScottKRiddell: Will do.15:24
ScottKMaverick upgrade went fine.15:24
ScottKRiddell: Are the panel and related popups supposed to be transparent?15:26
ScottKsemi-transparent, really.15:26
ScottKIt totally doesn't work for netbook with the autohide panel at the top.15:26
ScottKJontheEchidna: I think the patch you did for the plasma-netbook startup transition needs another look.  The screen went black for a bit after KDM went away.15:28
JontheEchidnaScottK: ksplash seems broken in general in 4.515:28
ScottKOK.15:28
JontheEchidnaScottK: are you on a 64 bit machine?15:28
ScottKNo15:29
JontheEchidnahmm, ok. Is the blur kwin plugin enabled?15:29
ScottKHow do I tell?15:29
JontheEchidnaScottK: well, it seems broken for you since you report very transparent popups, but you can check in System Settings -> Desktop Effects15:30
ScottKOK.15:30
shadeslayer_Blur works in lucid though15:31
ScottKJontheEchidna: It's enabled.15:32
JontheEchidnaScottK: ok, disable that, and plasma should fall back to a sane background15:32
ScottKThanks.  Is that a known issue?15:32
* shadeslayer_ mumbles as Rosseta spams his inbox...15:32
JontheEchidnaScottK: It was for amd6415:32
ScottKIs there a bug I should comment on then?15:33
JontheEchidnaThe 64 bit bug was fixed post-beta. I'd guess that similar symptoms on a 32-bit are a separate issue15:34
ScottKHmm.15:35
ScottKStill semi-transparent.15:35
JontheEchidnabetter, at least?15:35
ScottKSlightly15:36
shadeslayer_JontheEchidna: with the ksplash,i think there was a discussion about removing it in general from maverick15:36
shadeslayer_not sure though15:36
JontheEchidnashadeslayer_: unrelated15:37
JontheEchidnait's just broken15:37
ScottKNice.  Screensaver is totally transparent too.15:39
JontheEchidnaO.o15:40
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133815 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (qaptbatch.cpp qaptbatch.h) Stub our an errorOccurred function. I need a function to create KMessageBoxes for errors next, so that I don't have to do all the code for creating a KMessageBox each time I want to use one for errors15:43
ScottKAny idea where screen saver settings are in the new systemsetting layout?15:46
RiddellDisplay and Monitor of course15:49
ScottKRight.15:52
ScottKLooks like we lost userconfig when the advanced tab went away.15:53
JontheEchidnauserconfig is in Lost and Found here16:08
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133821 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (qaptbatch.cpp qaptbatch.h) Full error reporting support. Once LibQApt supports reporting non-fatal warnings, qapt-batch should get support for these as well.16:08
JontheEchidna(bottommost category)16:08
ScottKRight.  Scroll bar was too subtle for me.  Thanks.16:09
JontheEchidnaI think that "Device actions" should go inside "Removable Devices"16:11
Riddellwhee, maverick install CDs a doing well16:19
RiddellScottK: really no problems with upgrade?16:20
ScottKRiddell: The resulting desktop has some rough edges, but no upgrade issues at all.16:21
RiddellScottK: did you just do a dist-upgrade?16:21
ScottKRiddell: I used the command line do-release-upgrade tool, but I watched for file conflicts and there weren't any.16:21
Riddelllovely16:22
ScottKRiddell: The biggest issue is that panel transparency does not work at all on netbook.16:22
Riddellfor an alpha 1 that's not a big issue I'd say16:23
ScottKTypically stuff is popping over areas that have lots of text and things end up unreadable.16:23
Riddellmight even be an upstream bug16:23
ScottKRiddell: For Kubuntu Alpha 1 it's a detail.  For KDE 4.5 beta, it worries me.16:23
ScottKYes.16:23
ScottKThat's why I didn't put it in the ISO tracker.16:24
Riddellmight be http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235620 except it happens on i386 too16:25
ubottuKDE bug 235620 in visuals "Blur shadow around widgets does not smoothly fade out" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]16:25
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133826 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp globals.h group.h) Further header guard tightening16:26
ScottKI guess we'll see.16:29
ScottKRiddell: Clearly the only explanation for the smooth upgrade is it must be that Keybuk has been on holiday.16:29
Quintasanseriously16:34
Quintasansomething is wrong with network-manager16:34
QuintasanI do "sudo start network-manager" and KNetworkManager says - "Network Managment disabled"16:36
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133832 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp (log message trimmed)16:38
CIA-91Unfortunately KProgressDialog has an auto-show feature that I seem to have no16:38
CIA-91control over. A blank KProgressDialog looks a bit unsettling, so at least say16:38
lex79JontheEchidna: thanks :)16:39
JontheEchidnalex79: yup, no prob16:39
lex79do we are in freeze for main?16:40
JontheEchidnayes16:40
QuintasanJontheEchidna: did you review my ktorrent merge?16:40
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: If you asked, I forgot :s16:41
Quintasanwell, it's not like we have a freeze coming, is it?16:41
Quintasanplease do it at some point16:41
JontheEchidnasure. sorry about forgetting16:43
Quintasanno probs :D16:45
* Quintasan is forgetting more things anyways16:45
shadeslayer_were in freeze?16:47
shadeslayer_\o/16:47
Quintasanshadeslayer_: wth are you babbling about?16:47
Quintasanno freeze plox16:47
* Quintasan has moar translating to do that he had during lucid16:48
shadeslayer_Quintasan: 21:10 < lex79> do we are in freeze for main?16:48
Quintasanoh gawd16:49
Quintasanktorrent is in main >_<16:49
shadeslayer_Quintasan: i was just confirming if we were in freeze or not... since i dont think we are 16:49
Riddellwe are16:49
Quintasan:<16:49
Riddellsubcription to ubuntu-devel-announce advised16:49
* Quintasan goes and subscribes16:50
Quintasanand creates a filter in KMail16:50
* shadeslayer_ likes his mail to be stored online and not take up precious disk space16:50
shadeslayer_Riddell: when was the announcement made?16:52
shadeslayer_apparently im subscribed to that ml :P16:52
RiddellMay 31 Martin Pitt     (  97) [ubuntu-devel-announce] Maverick Alpha 1 freeze ahead16:53
Riddellit's also in the #ubuntu-devel topic16:53
shadeslayer_hmm16:54
shadeslayer_Riddell: btw the schedule doesnt mention the freeze16:58
Riddellno, it's assumed developers know16:58
RiddellI think I found a bug in maverick, k3b can't burn a CD16:59
* Riddell wonders how to test the amd64 alternate16:59
shadeslayer_Riddell: i would have tested it,but it doesnt boot off a USB stick :P16:59
Riddellboots fine off usb here16:59
shadeslayer_and since we also have live cd's im testing that16:59
shadeslayer_Riddell: alternate CD?17:00
Riddellshould do yes, that's how I installed i38617:00
Riddelland seems a good answer to my questions of how I should test amd64 alternate :)17:00
shadeslayer_use a VM :P17:01
RiddellVMs not working so well it seems, both me and ara had it fail at login17:01
shadeslayer_my zsync is almost complete,lets see where it gets in a VM17:02
agateauScottK: hi17:11
agateauScottK: before I leave, your pony has arrived17:11
agateauScottK: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~agateau/plasma-widget-message-indicator/trunk/revision/13717:12
Riddellagateau: where's the updated plasma menu source?17:12
agateauScottK: or at least it has been commited17:12
agateauRiddell: in LP17:12
* agateau grabs the url17:12
agateauRiddell: https://launchpad.net/plasma-widget-menubar/+download17:13
Riddellthanks, I'll get that up shortly17:13
* agateau just realized the tarball name is weird17:13
agateauit seems this lp-project-upload needs a fix17:13
agateauScottK: will do a release tomorrow17:14
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=== JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Archive frozen for alpha 1 | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | ninjas packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4 4.5 beta https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | \o \o ScottK is now Debian overlord o/ o/ | Fluffy will be based on Kubuntu
shadeslayer_Riddell: hmm.. i just get a white screen after logging in ( in VM ) and apparently i think there are 2 panels,one at the top and the bottom one17:34
Riddellshadeslayer_: that's what ara reported17:35
Riddell2 panels is know17:35
Riddellwhite screen is strange and mysterious17:35
Riddellcan you do alt-f2 and start konsole?17:35
shadeslayer_Riddell: yes17:35
Riddelland that works fine?17:36
shadeslayer_Riddell: nope.. 17:36
Riddellwhat's up?17:36
shadeslayer_Riddell: seems it doesnt detect X11 17:37
shadeslayer_Riddell: i typed konsole in the tty btw17:37
Riddellhow do you mean "doesnt detect X11"?17:37
shadeslayer_hold on17:38
shadeslayer_Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/ydGe5w.html 17:38
Riddellthat's not a white screen17:39
shadeslayer_Riddell: oh you want the white screenshot?17:39
shadeslayer_Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/wZ7nXk.html17:40
Riddellright, and can you do  alt-f2  konsole from there?17:41
shadeslayer_Riddell: nope... alt+f2 doesnt start krunner17:42
Riddellwhat happens if you go to the linux console and run   killall plasma-desktop17:43
Riddellthen switch back to X17:43
shadeslayer_lemme switch to kvm17:44
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133845 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp More grammatically correct way to report speed17:44
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133846 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Don't report speed at all if speed is zero. It's common for there to not be a speed estimate while apt is downloading things17:46
shadeslayer_Riddell: done..17:47
Riddellshadeslayer_: what happens?17:48
shadeslayer_Riddell: x is all white :P17:48
Riddellhmm17:48
Riddellwhat happens if you go to a linux console and killall kwin ?17:48
shadeslayer_same thing :P17:49
Riddellall a mystery then17:50
shadeslayer_hehe :D17:51
* shadeslayer_ tries install only mode17:53
shadeslayer_Riddell: well it starts,but the buttons are not with the theme...17:54
shadeslayer_s/with/go with17:54
shadeslayer_well.. if you boot the install only mode,and quit,then you get a black screen instead of a white one :P17:55
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133861 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (cache.h package.h) Redocumenting the QApt namespace in each header should not be necessary18:30
ScottKapachelogger: Can I install fluffy profiles for just one user?  I've got one person who I think is in the core fluffy demographic.18:39
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133867 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Hide the cancel button during commits since we can't safely cancel during that stage.18:42
shadeslayerRiddell: the Live cd works :P18:48
Riddellshadeslayer: on real hardware or VM?18:49
shadeslayernot in a VM,but if you burn it to your USB/CD,everything comes up fine18:49
shadeslayerreal hardware18:49
Riddellstrange that, but good18:49
shadeslayercouldnt connect to a wep network though..18:49
shadeslayerits a bit slow to start things up,but i think that was more of a transition effect...18:50
shadeslayereverything else seemed fine,i could mount and unmount partitions with dolphin18:50
shadeslayerubiquity starts up,i tried it till the manual partitioning section..18:51
shadeslayertotally weird that it doesnt start up in a VM18:52
txwikingerRiddell: anything else waiting for packaging?18:54
Riddellwe still have some universe merges I think18:55
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1133872 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp It's not really worth it to bother with plurals for window titles, so give a less descriptive window title. (The info's already in the dialog label) Also, change the window title when an install/removal is completed18:56
Riddellkphotoalbum18:56
Riddellktechlab18:57
Riddellkst18:57
shadeslayerRiddell: added result to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4220/51 18:57
shadeslayerRiddell: btw i hope you have some packaging work after the 11th of this month18:57
JontheEchidnaHmm, I think I'm just about at the point where I say, "try to break qapt-batch"18:58
Riddellpackaging is not something we tend to run out of18:58
shadeslayer:D18:58
Riddellthanks shadeslayer 18:58
ScottKtxwikinger: I noticed the upcoming bug day is for compiz.  It might be nice to have a companion kwin bug session.18:58
txwikingerScottK: I already liaised with the QA team18:59
ScottKCool.18:59
txwikingerI will be doing bug days on Monday to spread it around a little18:59
* JontheEchidna notes we only have 4 kwin bugs18:59
txwikingerI was thinking doing kdenetwork bugs on Monday18:59
shadeslayerRiddell: no problem.. :)18:59
ScottKJontheEchidna: Well that was part of my point.  "Wow, you have 80 compiz bugs? We only have 4 kwin bugs."19:00
JontheEchidna:P19:00
JontheEchidnaconsidering we have 1/4 the users, that's still quite good19:00
txwikinger? More users == more bugs?19:01
ScottKMore users don't make the software more broken.19:01
txwikingermaybe we should not have any users :D19:01
JontheEchidna:D19:01
ScottKThe best way to have no bugs is do no testing.19:01
ScottKActually no bug tracker is better.19:01
mgraesslinsend your bug triagers upstream for kwin - we have 420 ;-)19:01
ScottKtxwikinger: ^^^19:01
txwikingerScottK: that is only no visible bugs19:01
txwikingercan we triage in the KDE bugtracker?19:02
shadeslayerScottK: btw are we moving to a new backend in 10.10 for kpk?19:02
ScottKNot afaik, but I'm not tracking it.19:02
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: the aptcc packagekit backend, once dist-upgrade support is implemented19:02
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: oh awesome :D19:03
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: how much better is it?19:03
JontheEchidnait should be more robust than the current python-apt based backend19:03
* shadeslayer notes that he can install the same in lucid19:03
JontheEchidnasudo apt-get install packagekit-backend-apt; then edit /etc/PackageKit/PackageKit.conf19:04
JontheEchidnaDefaultBackend=aptcc19:04
JontheEchidnaer19:05
JontheEchidnapackagekit-backend-aptcc19:05
JontheEchidna^.^19:05
JontheEchidnasudo apt-get install packagekit-backend-aptcc; then edit /etc/PackageKit/PackageKit.conf to DefaultBackend=aptcc19:05
JontheEchidnaRiddell: do you take care of planetkde-ish things?19:06
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: kpackagekit: symbol lookup error: kpackagekit: undefined symbol: _ZN13KCMultiDialog16staticMetaObjectE19:09
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: lucid?19:09
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: yeah,but just hold on19:09
JontheEchidnasomebody should upload the kde4libs with the ABI fix19:09
shadeslayeryep :)19:10
JontheEchidnathen we could probably release the packages for lucid...19:10
ScottKDo we have it in Maverick already?19:11
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: any idea how i can upgrade with pkcon?19:12
JontheEchidnaScottK: yeah, the abi fix is in maverick19:12
ScottKOK.  Great.19:12
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: looks like pkcon only supports install and remove19:13
shadeslayer:P19:13
Tonio_hi there19:48
Tonio_I get a little trouble with kontact19:48
Tonio_contacts in akonadi seem to be completly broken, can someone confirm ?19:48
Tonio_all I get when I try to add a new address book I get this : Could not add address book: Agent instance creation timed out19:50
apacheloggerScottK: currently you can since the git branch does not take over the kubuntu profile, but just installs stuff into appropriate dirs20:06
apacheloggernot sure how to handle this in the future though20:06
ScottKIf this is maintained, I'd probably install it.20:11
apacheloggerScottK: not sure, Ill need to look into it soonish anyway, because I am not sure if we should stack our settings ontop of the kubuntu ones or instead of them20:19
apacheloggerfregl: ^ opinions20:19
apacheloggerhm20:21
apacheloggerclaydoh: either something is broken in the cloud or I did not patch libqoauth completely :/20:21
apacheloggerformer is entirely possible20:21
apacheloggeru1 is not the most reliable service these days20:21
apacheloggerI can reproduce it in a vm though20:21
Tonio_is it just me or is akonadi integration in kontact the worst thing ever ?20:26
apacheloggerAHHHHHH20:27
apacheloggernow it all becomes clear20:27
Tonio_you want to add a calendar, and in the middle of the sources, you have the akonadi one20:27
ScottKTonio_: worst thing ever would be pretty strong, but I'm not a fan.20:27
Tonio_ScottK: I consider the usability of this20:27
Tonio_ScottK: when you want to add a calendar, you have different sources, including akonadi, then if you choose akonadi ,you have different sources AGAIN, including "traditional"20:28
Tonio_if you choose this, you get the exact same list a the first20:28
Tonio_I don't get this.......20:28
ScottKI didn't say I liked it.20:28
ScottKIt's not, for example, worse than Windows ME.20:29
Tonio_:)20:29
Tonio_ScottK: just to be sure I'm okay :20:29
Tonio_kaddressbook is ported to akonadi20:29
Tonio_so.... it has traditional resources, and akonadi resources20:30
Tonio_that's fine20:30
Tonio_BUT20:30
Tonio_akonadi also has a compability layer for traditional resources, right ?20:30
Tonio_same happens with korganizer20:30
JontheEchidnaiirc KAddressbook can only do traditional via akonadi20:31
Tonio_everything seems to be duplicate...20:31
apacheloggerhm20:31
Tonio_JontheEchidna: go in the options....... you can set an ldap server from there, and that doesn't look like akonadi afaik20:31
JontheEchidnaah, I meant traditional as in traditional local vcard20:31
Tonio_JontheEchidna: but what I just said is indeed particularly true with korganizer20:32
Tonio_JontheEchidna: the software can do traditional or akonadi, and akonadi can do traditional....20:32
JontheEchidnawell, I'm not defending that akonadi isn't a complete mess. It's a disaster20:32
Tonio_good luck tomake this "configurable by john doe"20:32
danttiRiddell: pinhero created laser icons :D http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/700/printmanagerlaserqueue.png  http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2989/printmanagerlaser.png20:32
Tonio_JontheEchidna: :)20:32
Tonio_JontheEchidna: what are the plans to impove this ?20:34
JontheEchidnaTonio_: we are at the mercy of the akonadi overl0rds20:34
apacheloggera) akonadi is not a complete mess it just has limited deployment scope20:34
Tonio_JontheEchidna: cause honestly, except from a kde dev, nobody is supposed to understand how this works...20:34
apacheloggerb) that kaddressbook shiz does have nothing to do with akonadi anyway, but with silly devs on the kaddresbook side of things20:34
Tonio_apachelogger: okay it may not be akonadi devs fault20:35
Tonio_apachelogger: thething is that all of this is just a nonsense20:35
Tonio_apachelogger: from a usability perspective, it is all a nightmare...20:35
apacheloggerit makes perfect sense from that perspective20:35
Tonio_of course if there was just akonadi has a backend it would make sense20:35
apacheloggerbut only if implemented properly20:35
apacheloggerand as it stands it is only carried half way through20:36
apacheloggerthat is also why kaddressbook lacks features20:36
apacheloggerunfinished work20:36
JontheEchidnalet me revise my statement, KDEPIM's akonadi implementation is a deployability and usability mes20:36
JontheEchidna+s20:36
apacheloggerthis got nothing to do with usability20:36
Tonio_apachelogger: what I don't get is the all "you have 10 ways to had 10 kinds of resources, with 2 different compatibility layers"20:36
apacheloggerdont hijack buzzwords20:36
Tonio_cause the "old way compatibility" has 2 implementations20:36
Tonio_one in akonadi20:36
Tonio_one in the softwares....20:36
apacheloggerTonio_: that ought to go away20:37
apacheloggerall goes through akonadi20:37
Tonio_apachelogger: I know but I mean... kde4 is out for 3 years now :)20:37
apacheloggerwell20:37
apacheloggerlook at plasma20:37
* JontheEchidna thinks "what about plasma?"20:39
apacheloggerremove your panel and move the systray to the desktop20:41
apacheloggergood fun with broken systray :P20:41
JontheEchidnathat is due to xembed madness20:42
JontheEchidnaklipper fail: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopc17659-jpg.jpg Due to a bug (fixed post beta) the klipper menu doesn't close when it looses focus. Now I can't get to the tray icon to close it :D20:44
apacheloggerdpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to ubuntuone-kde-0.0.0~alpha1/data/ox16-app-ubuntuone.png: binary file contents changed20:45
apacheloggerI always wonder how bzr-buildpackage manages to come up with that sort of stuff20:45
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you're trying to build a native package with 3.0 (quilt)20:45
JontheEchidnaor at least what you had in your ppa was20:45
Tonio_apachelogger: re20:45
Tonio_apachelogger: I know it'll go away20:45
Tonio_the thing is that the current status is "migrated to akonadi, but not really, but still a little bit"20:46
Tonio_nothing should have been released like this...20:46
apachelogger  2 native = False20:46
apacheloggertrue20:46
apacheloggerthen again20:46
apacheloggermagic bzr-buildpackage does not even create the right tar.gz20:46
apacheloggerwell, today seems a technology fails-me day again20:46
Tonio_I'm a little tired of this "everything changes and breaks and gets fixed and breaks again" thing20:47
Tonio_....20:47
Tonio_don't ask me why I have real motivation issues to contribute :)20:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: oh, you know, native = False should make it non-native ^^20:47
apacheloggerTonio_: why do you have real motivation issues to contribute? :P20:48
Tonio_I have no pb, with things expected to be stable in the future... the question is "will all this be stable one day ?"20:48
Tonio_apachelogger: :)20:48
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: btw, I haz packages: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.series_filter=lucid20:48
apacheloggerUsing the upstream tarball that is present in /home/me/src/bzr/u1/tarballs20:49
apacheloggerargh!!!20:49
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you recipe that? ^^20:49
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: nope20:50
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I was wondering why the worker seems to do so much heavy lifting btw20:50
apacheloggercouldnt most of that be in the library and then accessed by the worker?20:50
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: which stuff?20:51
apacheloggerall of it :P20:51
JontheEchidnawell20:51
apacheloggerI didnt look at the specifics20:51
JontheEchidnait does need root to do most of that stuff20:51
apacheloggerbut the ratio of library vs. worker includes seems a bit off20:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the library will not care about that?20:52
JontheEchidnawell, you'd have to run the whole app as root to make it not care20:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: who says that you cannot build an app that only runs with su20:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: IMHO the library should not force the app developer into kauth20:52
JontheEchidnaIt doesn't use KAuth20:53
apacheloggerwell, that dbusing there :P20:53
apacheloggersay you want to build something ontop of libqapt that implements its own do-root stuff approach20:54
apacheloggerthat thing would basically have to do the whole logic that is in worker20:54
JontheEchidnawhat's the usecase, though?20:54
apacheloggerwrong question for a lib IMHO20:55
apacheloggeryou want the sharable logic in a shared lib, neverminding if there is a use case20:55
JontheEchidnaThere isn't that much overlap20:56
JontheEchidnaonly that you have to remark the packages as ToInstall, ToRemove, etc once inside the worker20:56
apacheloggerwell, I just think, worker is a lot to heavy on the code side considering what it does20:57
CIA-91[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100602195753-grofv7xdz4wukhwj * src/auth/AuthHandler.cpp Be clearer about the intentions20:58
CIA-91[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100602195808-ihej3fyvlx3hl2dp * debian/ubuntuone-kde.links Link oauth_urls file to be found by QSettings -> makes auth work20:58
Quintasan\o21:00
* JontheEchidna packs up to go home, bbl21:01
apacheloggerfregl: dude!21:03
apacheloggerfregl: http://imagebin.ca/view/5XcRTXS.html21:03
apacheloggerfregl: you did again not embed the pics, that is why my panel is black!!!21:03
apacheloggeromg!21:03
Tonio_apachelogger: the good thing is that it should be a lot better with 4.5...21:29
Tonio_apachelogger: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Scheduled_for_KDE_4.5_.2F_Akonadi_1.421:29
Tonio_as long as everything ends with "done"21:30
Quintasanhmm21:37
Quintasannice21:37
apacheloggerfregl: http://imagebin.ca/view/rhFXTH.html \o/21:42
apacheloggermargins might need some tweaking still21:42
apacheloggerTonio_: well, that is even going to be delayed AFAIK21:42
apacheloggerso who knows what will end up in that release ^^21:43
* ScottK hints at Riddell that Main is frozen at the moment (re kdegames).21:44
* fregl hides21:47
freglapachelogger: ok, do you still want me to embed the freaking images? or did you do that now?21:48
apacheloggerfregl: I did that :)21:48
freglapachelogger: what did you want opinions on earlier?21:48
apacheloggerwe should do alpha soonish I suppose21:48
freglyeah, stupid me21:48
freglcool21:48
Tonio_apachelogger: :'(21:49
apacheloggerTonio_: go use fluffy, no kdepim there :P21:49
apacheloggerfregl: opinion on whether we want to build ontop of kubuntu's default settings or do our own show21:49
* ScottK really wants it per user.21:50
apachelogger(default settings involves: getting rid of "tips of the day" + fonts + branding + other stuff21:50
apachelogger)21:50
freglI have no clue what kubuntu default settings are tbh, but I'd probably say, go with them if they mean less work21:50
freglah, ok21:50
* bulldog98 asks himself when rekonq will be set as default dependence for kubuntu-desktop21:50
freglwell, branding we want ours of course ;921:50
apacheloggerwell, yeah, we would just stack our stuff ontop of the kubuntu one and override it21:51
freglsounds good to me21:51
apacheloggerk21:51
Tonio_apachelogger: fluffy ? what's that ?21:51
apacheloggerOo21:51
apacheloggeromg21:51
freglapachelogger: is that the package you created on launchpad?21:51
freglthere is uninitiated people in here still !!!21:51
* apachelogger is getting seriously weird rendering bugs on opaque -.-21:51
apacheloggerTonio_: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/12414204094877121:52
* apachelogger is going to blog about it this weekish probably21:52
Tonio_apachelogger: WTF !21:53
apacheloggeroi!21:53
apacheloggerlanguage!21:53
apacheloggerfregl: yes, and no, what I created on launchpad is really just moving the theming to the appropriate dirs21:53
apacheloggerfregl: though I think we should just change that so it becomes fluffy default settings21:54
Tonio_apachelogger: Wow, That's Fun !21:54
Tonio_apachelogger: :)21:54
apachelogger\o/21:54
apacheloggeryeah21:54
apacheloggerwe also got 56 likers already21:54
apacheloggerTonio_: you really want to look us ^^21:54
apacheloggers/look/like21:54
freglapachelogger: fluffy lickers :p21:54
Tonio_hehe, let's go...21:55
apacheloggerfregl: does anyone but luna do that :S21:55
freglapachelogger: by the way, I got a kid's hand-drawn unicorn now... following my last blog post :o21:56
freglit has a small head... looks .. mediocre21:56
apachelogger...question is if the target audience would like that...21:56
freglall kids should be called luna, methinks21:56
apacheloggerlets establish a uniname paradigm then!21:57
apacheloggerhm21:58
apacheloggerthe amount of spam from acm is quite high21:58
claydohapachelogger: hi!22:09
claydohlooks like some progress in u1-kde22:11
apacheloggerclaydoh: can you please update your u1-kde and check if you get an auth dialog now?22:22
claydohdoing so now22:23
claydohasks for kwallet access, then the gnome keyring22:23
apacheloggeryeah, desktop-couch also got hardcoded gnomekeyring usage I saw the other day22:25
apacheloggerclaydoh: does the status notifier hide though?22:25
apacheloggeror does it whine about unability to connect?22:25
apacheloggerls22:25
apacheloggerhm22:26
* apachelogger has tabbing problems22:26
apacheloggerfregl: btw, any word from the #fluffy owner?22:26
claydohno so far -sipping tea :)22:26
apacheloggeroh sweet22:26
apacheloggertea++22:26
apacheloggerclaydoh: should have worked then22:26
apacheloggerI think ^^22:26
freglapachelogger: fail, no response after I spammed him with death threads for three times now :(22:26
claydohand the system settings config section has my info22:26
apacheloggerthe system settings config section uses my superior library skills api stuff ^^22:28
apacheloggerfregl: I shall mention that in my blog post so that more people spam him ^^22:28
apacheloggeralso22:28
* apachelogger hugs fregl22:28
* fregl turns pink :D22:28
* claydoh hugs apachelogger, and then everyone else too :)22:30
apacheloggerfregl: dude, be careful that you do not turn purple, ubuntoo might want to eat you ;)22:30
* apachelogger rehugs claydoh22:31
freglnah, I'll just stick to aubergine...22:31
apacheloggerscary22:35
apacheloggerhm22:38
apacheloggerthere seems to be a missing connection between authing and statusnotifier at first usage ever22:38
apacheloggerclaydoh: did you try dolphin integration?22:38
apacheloggernot sure if that will work with the slow servers right now22:38
claydohapachelogger: not yet, setting it up on another machine atm22:41
apacheloggerkcool22:41
apacheloggerhm22:43
apacheloggernow that does not exactly make sense22:44
apachelogger"If you have a method in a class that does not access any members and therefore does not need an object to operate, make it static. If additionally it is a private helper function that is not needed outside of the file, make it a file-static function. That hides the symbol completely."22:44
apacheloggerthen22:44
apachelogger"Try to limit the number of static variables used in your code, especially when committing to a library. Construction and initialization of large number of static variables really hurts the startup times."22:44
JontheEchidna:s22:45
JontheEchidnamaybe static methods != static variables?22:45
apacheloggeroh22:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that could be sort of true indeed ^^22:47
apacheloggerahh22:49
* apachelogger got authing idea22:49
KRFapachelogger: *bling*22:52
apacheloggeromg22:53
apachelogger _     _ _             22:53
apachelogger| |__ | (_)_ __   __ _ 22:53
apachelogger| '_ \| | | '_ \ / _` |22:53
apachelogger| |_) | | | | | | (_| |22:53
apachelogger|_.__/|_|_|_| |_|\__, |22:53
apachelogger                 |___/ 22:53
KRFthis is crazy bat shit!22:54
apacheloggerno no22:54
apachelogger      _     _ _                  22:54
apachelogger__/\_| |__ | (_)_ __   __ ___/\__22:54
apachelogger\    / '_ \| | | '_ \ / _` \    /22:54
apachelogger  \/ |_.__/|_|_|_| |_|\__, | \/  22:54
apachelogger                      |___/    22:54
apacheloggerthis is :D22:54
apacheloggerlook at the stars ^^22:54
KRFamazing it is!22:54
KRFgoing to sleep now 22:55
KRFgood night apachelogger, dear22:55
apacheloggernini KRF, sleep tight22:55
apacheloggerkubotu: np22:56
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "For Boston" by Dropkick Murphys [Sing Loud, Sing Proud!, 2001] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0JYAs0ABabznHYeHZOFTbi] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more22:56
KRFkubotu: np22:56
kubotuKRF listened to "Hearing Is Believing" by Alexander Kowalski [Echoes, 2001] 8 minutes ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/KRF for more22:56
SputKRF: auch bling22:56
KRFthat lastfm web player isnt that fast with updating22:56
Sputkubotu: np22:57
kubotuSput hasn't played anything recently22:57
Sputkubotu: lastfm Sput4222:57
kubotuSput42 is listening to "Sinful Love" by Blue Öyster Cult [Agents of Fortune, 2001] [http://open.spotify.com/track/3adFgbOd2OoZeS2eL1KI9A] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Sput42 for more22:57
KRFDeine musikalische Übereinstimmung mit Sput42 ist Super22:57
Sputsh!t happens22:58
apacheloggerrdieter: o/23:01
CIA-91[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100602220253-o01d96txwnp078pj * src/libs/ (SyncDaemon.cpp SyncDaemon.h) Wire the syncdaemon to the authhandler's newcredentials signal, only once that was received the syncdaemon will try to auto-connect23:03
CIA-91[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100602225915-3xwg6rkoa6bptzeh * src/libs/CMakeLists.txt try build workaround for amd64 ... ewww it is ;)23:59

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