[00:06] <zus> how do i fix broken packages?
[00:11] <rats> any ideas why I loose my screen resolution setting when I restert my computer
[00:11] <Typos_King> zus:    what do you mean?
[00:11] <ArGGu^^> zus try sudo apt-get install -f
[00:12] <zus> typos king i began watching a video and it asked for some packages to install then halfway it says i've broken packages...
[00:13] <zus> ArGGu^^,  what does that -f do?
[00:13] <Typos_King> -f[ix]
[00:13] <Typos_King> :)
[00:14] <rats> i set my resolution for 1024x768 but after i restart my box it reverts back to 1600x1200
[00:15] <zus> thanks
[00:15] <Typos_King> rats:   do a manual edit to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:17] <rats> Ill try that Typos_King  thanks
[00:17] <Typos_King> k
[00:22] <zus> brb foods here :)
[00:48] <supermagnum> hi, theres something weird with my system..
[00:49] <supermagnum> modprobe cannot find evdev, even in i have installed the driver ( xf86-input-evdev ) and hal can find the device
[00:51] <Typos_King> maybe is not what modprobe wants name wise
[00:51] <Typos_King> maybe is called something else
[00:51] <supermagnum> Typos_King, that is possible
[00:52] <supermagnum> i dont know if i can paste the related output from hal here..
[00:54] <supermagnum> its in the pastebin now
[00:54] <supermagnum> http://paste.ubuntu.com/443036/
[00:56] <Typos_King> .. I see nothing related to evdev :|
[00:57] <supermagnum> yes, and thats weird..
[00:58] <supermagnum> i get garbled text if i type cat /dev/input/event9, so the device is OK
[00:58] <supermagnum> * and movemy finger around on the screen
[00:58] <Typos_King> right
[00:58] <Typos_King> why are you probing it?
[00:59] <supermagnum> because i cannot get it to work.
[01:00] <Typos_King> get what to work?
[01:00] <supermagnum> the touchscrren of course
[01:01] <supermagnum> there is a bug related to it: http://www.google.no/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&ved=0CEEQFjAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F577257&ei=3J4FTKKHB52SOJ7pgIYF&usg=AFQjCNEy6kMuUuWuUHJNDqfM7upUj9pATQ
[01:01] <supermagnum> but the solution mentioned on that page doesnot work.
[01:02] <Typos_King> ..
[01:02] <Typos_King> I do see a xserver-xorg-input-evtouch package in the repos
[01:02] <Typos_King> there's also a tslib
[01:02] <Typos_King> too
[01:03] <supermagnum> there IS a file that are related to syaptics here  /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi
[01:04] <Typos_King> that'd be for the touchpad, not a touchscreen I'd think
[01:04] <supermagnum> my toucpad mouse does work.
[01:05] <Typos_King> k
[01:06] <supermagnum> there is alsoa wacom file.. but nothing related to cf-29/touchscreen..
[01:09] <Typos_King> what about something about 'evtouch'?
[01:10] <supermagnum> nope
[01:10] <markus_> moin
[01:11] <supermagnum> but there is a file with the same name as the one mentioned on that page.
[01:11] <supermagnum> that deals with the QEMU USB Table
[01:12] <supermagnum> maybe it is possible to overwrite that file, perhaps that can help ?
[01:13] <supermagnum> it is at /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi
[01:19] <supermagnum> i have renamed the orginal 10-x11-input.fdi file to 10-x11-input.fdi.backup and made a new 10-X11-input.fdi file with the recommended settings..
[01:20] <supermagnum> i will reboot now, if i dont show up here againin about 30 minutes.... whell, you know what happened :P
[01:22] <Typos_King> she
[01:22] <Typos_King> what the ***?
[01:22] <Typos_King> anyhow, -s
[01:27] <nerdy_kid> my .gtkrc-2.0-kde file disappears when i logout/back in
[01:27] <nerdy_kid> i removed kubuntu-defualt-settings cause it was causing to many bugs
[01:45] <supermagnum> no, that did not work...
[01:45] <supermagnum>  my keyboard and other inputs died.
[01:46] <supermagnum> good night!
[02:06] <carutsu> does anybody know where can I get xlibs-dev?
[02:20] <rsouthard> how long does it take for kde updates to hit the mirrors? like 4.4.4 came out today, and the mirrors are still on 4.4.2.
[02:21] <Dragnslcr> Usually takes a day or two to get to backports
[02:22] <rsouthard> 4.4.3 has been out for 3 weeks.
[02:25] <Dragnslcr> Kubuntu packages for 4.4.3 got built almost a month ago
[02:26] <Dragnslcr> Looks like the same day as KDE released
[02:27] <rsouthard> Wonder why i never got the update?
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> Do you have the updates repository enabled?
[02:31] <rsouthard> Dragnslcr: I have "important security updates" and "recommended updates" checked.
[02:36] <rsouthard> I am going off of what "about kde" says in dolphin. Is there a way i can check my version from cli?
[02:37] <contrast> rsouthard: You're trying to check what version of KDE you have installed?
[02:37] <rsouthard> contrast: yes. I know i am 4.4.x
[02:38] <rsouthard> contrast: just dont know what .x version i am on.
[02:38] <contrast> apt-cache policy kdelibs5
[02:39] <contrast> That'll show what version you have installed as well as any other versions which are available in the repositories you have configured.
[02:40] <rsouthard> thats 4.4.2-2-0ubuntu
[02:40] <rsouthard> thanks
[02:40] <contrast> No problem... Are you trying to upgrade to the 4.4.4 release that came out today?
[02:41] <rsouthard> Yes.
[02:42] <rsouthard> Does kubuntu use different repositories than ubuntu? I am on an ubuntu install then i ran apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
[02:42] <maco> nope, same repos
[02:42] <maco> 4.4.4 isnt in the main repos
[02:43] <maco> should be in a PPA i think
[02:43] <Dragnslcr> rsouthard- I think 4.4.3 is in the "Unsupported" repository
[02:44] <rsouthard> gotcha. i could grab it by enabling the kubuntu-beta-backports you think?
[02:44] <contrast> Yeah, 4.4.4 is in the main Kubuntu PPA. IIRC, you can run "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa" to add it, but you might want to double-check kubuntu.org to be sure.
[02:48] <contrast> I'm trying to burn a DVD, but K3b keeps saying "cdrecord has no permission to open the device." Under the Permissions column for the device in K3bSetup, it says "666 root,cdrom". I'm in the cdrom group, so I'm not sure why it's giving this error. Any ideas?
[02:49] <Dragnslcr> rsouthard- sorry, KDE updates are just in the PPA
[02:49] <Dragnslcr> rsouthard- http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.4.4
[02:49] <Dragnslcr> Someone needs to update the topic here
[02:50] <rsouthard> 666 has to do with your file permissions. you need to get it back to 775. there is no execute in there.
[02:51] <contrast> Ahh... So just "sudo chmod 775 /dev/sr0"?
[02:51] <rsouthard> not sure you can do that on a device.
[02:51] <rsouthard> you could launch k3b as root.
[02:52] <rsouthard> or add yourself to the root group
[02:53] <contrast> Yeah, I considered that. I'd rather actually fix whatever the problem is though.
[02:53] <rsouthard> that is understandable. what are the permissions for your /dev/sr0?
[02:54] <contrast> Well I just ran that command and they're 775 now, but it's still saying the same thing.
[02:54] <rsouthard> That is odd.
[02:54] <contrast> "ls -lh /dev/sr0" returns this: brwxrwxr-x+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2010-06-01 21:33 /dev/sr0
[02:54] <rsouthard> what about the permission on the file that you are trying to read?
[02:55] <rsouthard> or that k3b is trying to read?
[02:55] <contrast> -rw-r--r--
[02:55] <rsouthard> also, what is your umask? 002?
[02:55] <contrast> Erm... Not sure. How do I check that?
[02:55] <rsouthard> umask
[02:56] <contrast> 0022
[02:56] <rsouthard> that is good.
[02:57] <contrast> What's weird is I burned a disc earlier with no problem. When I tried to burn another one right after that, this started. :\
[02:58] <rsouthard> That sets permission for newly created file 777--0222=755 or -rwx-r-x-r-x
[02:59] <rsouthard> i am at a loss. sorry. had a similar problem with nfs...and burning. but it was a /etc/exports problem not so much as local perms.
[02:59] <contrast> Erm... I just made a new file to check that, its permissions are 644 (-rw-r--r--)
[02:59] <estres> hi there, any one know why I can not conect to the internet? I have to erase the /home/user/.kde directory and then I only can acces to my wireless networ by gnome
[02:59] <contrast> Well, thanks anyway. :)
[02:59] <estres> a little help here please
[03:00] <rsouthard> contrast: were you root when you did that?
[03:00] <contrast> Nope.
[03:00] <rsouthard> that is ok. that is normal.
[03:01] <contrast> 'Kay... Well, thanks for your efforts.
[03:01] <rsouthard> np. sorry i couldnt be more help. no great with permissions.
[03:01] <rsouthard> not*
[03:01] <contrast> No problem.
[03:02] <rsouthard> post your issue on serverfault.com or kubuntu forums. serverfault has some really sharp admins on there that always help me out.
[03:03] <contrast> Nice, thanks for the tip.
[03:05] <rsouthard> yw.
[03:36] <xerxes> boob
[03:36] <xerxes> well
[03:36] <xerxes> this looks....
[03:36] <xerxes> fun
[03:57] <corigo> Hi, I believe that my upgrade did not complete and now I have no access (wired or wireless). How can I manually force an update (not a re-install) from a CD source?
[03:59] <aoueoa> Hey, does anyone have any idea about KDE 4.5 beta1 packages? Is anybody actively working on them? I'd like KDE 4.5, and I don't mind helping out with packaging.
[04:02] <SkEmO> can I use a recovery shell to format the HD or to install (or re-install) kubuntu from a cd?
[04:04] <aoueoa> You may be able to use it to format the disk, but I would advise against it. Rather, boot from a Kubuntu CD (or, even better, a USB flash drive imaged with Kubuntu) and install that way.
[04:04] <SkEmO> well i burnt another cd with kubuntu in it but the dvdrom wont read it
[04:05] <SkEmO> i rebooted 10 times and still wont show up
[04:05] <aoueoa> Is the BIOS set to boot from CD/DVD?
[04:05] <SkEmO> yes
[04:06] <aoueoa> Hmm… The disc may not have properly been burnt. Are you able to access the CD from within recovery mode?
[04:06] <SkEmO> i dont know how to do that
[04:08] <aoueoa> Is the machine with Kubuntu on it accessible right now?
[04:09] <SkEmO> yeah i have it right next to me
[04:09] <aoueoa> Are you in the terminal now?
[04:10] <SkEmO> im in the recovery shell
[04:10] <SkEmO> so yeah i guess
[04:10] <SkEmO> but, i have no access to the internet >.>
[04:11] <aoueoa> What is the output of the command 'ls /dev/scd*' (without quotes)?
[04:11] <SkEmO> cannot access /dev/scd: no such file
[04:13] <SkEmO> brb
[04:13] <aoueoa> Okay.
[04:14] <estres> any one had problem with the wifi conection?
[04:15] <aoueoa> Not recently. What wifi chip do you have, and what problems have you been having?
[04:15] <estres> is not problem of the chip because in gnome works fine
[04:15] <estres> actually I am using gnome to...
[04:15] <aoueoa> What problem have you been having?
[04:16] <aoueoa> *gasp* blasphemer! (kidding)
[04:16] <estres> the kde not conect to the wifi network
[04:16] <aoueoa> Which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[04:16] <estres> kde does not conect to the wifi network
[04:16] <estres> 10.04
[04:17] <aoueoa> Was this a fresh install, or did you upgrade from a previous version?
[04:19] <estres> well I have to erase /home/user/.kde
[04:19] <estres> because some problems with the desktops
[04:21] <aoueoa> Is your system fully up to date?
[04:21] <estres> I think so
[04:21] <estres> I think kde network manager is the problem
[04:22] <estres> is installed in v0.7
[04:22] <estres> version
[04:24] <estres> aoueoa: ok thank you, I will try another thing
[04:25] <aoueoa> According to Ubuntu's package information (http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/network-manager-kde), your network manager is out of date. Are you perhaps still using knetworkmanager?
[04:25] <aoueoa> Oh. you just quit. Never mind.
[04:26] <aoueoa> Does anyone have any idea about KDE 4.5 beta1 packages? Is anybody actively working on them? I'd like KDE 4.5, and I don't mind helping out with packaging.
[04:39] <Vbitz> KDE froze on my hp mini 210 on logout
[04:39] <Vbitz> i am using ubuntu netbook remix and install kde using apt-get
[04:40] <aoueoa> Did you install kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-netbook?
[04:41] <Vbitz> i installed kde-base
[04:42] <aoueoa> Are you using KDM or still using GDM?
[04:43] <aoueoa> (on the login screen, does it say Ubuntu [not Kubuntu])?
[04:51] <corigo> Hi, since my upgrade to 10.04 LTS and a restart I have no network at all! I have already reviewed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/555571 and even when I stop and restart the network-manager service it automatically overwrites my settings from true for wireless to false, and is completely unable to get an IP address at all
[04:52] <corigo> Mousing over the Network Manage icon in the tool bar gives the message: Networking information unavailable
[04:52] <corigo> ifconfig does display eth0 but no IP address
[04:53] <aoueoa> Are you able to get online from that machine at all (with ethernet)?
[04:54] <corigo> no
[04:55] <aoueoa> Not even by plugging in? Hmm…
[04:55] <aoueoa> What if you log out of KDE, press ctrl-alt-f1 and login in the terminal (while plugged in)?
[04:55] <corigo> not any more... originally after my upgrade I could, but after failed sleep and forced reboot... nothing
[04:57] <corigo> aoueoa: Network is unreachable ... is the message returned
[04:57] <corigo> I even swapped the cables between my desktop (this machine I'm typing on) to no effect
[04:58] <corigo> NIC lights show proper connection
[04:59] <aoueoa> If you go into the terminal (make sure you're logged out of kdm), type 'sudo stop network-manager;sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' (all with the ethernet plugged in), does it give you an IP address?
[04:59] <aoueoa> (you can check by running ifconfig)
[05:01] <corigo> Now there is no eth0, only lo
[05:02] <corigo> I had manually added a connection to the manager before... now that removed it, and I have nothing
[05:02] <aoueoa> try adding the following two lines to /etc/network/interfaces:
[05:02] <aoueoa> auto eth0
[05:03] <aoueoa> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[05:03] <aoueoa> then run 'sudo ifup eth0'
[05:05] <aoueoa> (you can use 'sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces' to edit that file from within the terminal)
[05:06] <Vbitz> i am using kdm, there is no menson of ubuntu
[05:08] <corigo> aoueoa: that's ok, trying to learn vi... ok, got an IP now
[05:08] <corigo> and can ping yahoo.com
[05:09] <corigo> now how to get back to the UI?
[05:11] <aoueoa> Vbitz: Is there any specific reason you only want the base of KDE and not the full Kubuntu suite? If not, the easiest way to make sure there are fewer bugs is to install either kubuntu-desktop (if you want the desktop version of KDE with the panel at  the bottom) or kubuntu-netbook (if you want the kubuntu netbook remix, which you can see at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook).
[05:11] <Vbitz> i did not want it to change anything with the system expect the login screen
[05:12] <aoueoa> corigo: woah, hold on. This is only a temporary stopgap. The answer to the question is to press alt-F7 (or in some cases alt-F8).
[05:13] <aoueoa> corigo: But we still need to diagnose your Network Manager problems. We should be able to do this from within KDE, though, so you can feel free to log back into KDE if you feel more comfortable there.
[05:13] <corigo> ah... what's next?
[05:14] <aoueoa> Vbitz: In what way did KDE crash on logout?
[05:14] <Vbitz> stoped at a  blinking cuser
[05:14] <Vbitz> on a black background
[05:17] <corigo> aoueoa: relaunching KDE desktop the Networking Manager icon still shows the same message: Networking information not available
[05:17] <aoueoa> corigo: I'm not a Network Manager expert, but generally what works is to purge the system. It's a bit of a sledgehammer where a scalpel would be more appropriate, but it tends to work. What packages does it list as installed when you run 'dpkg --get-selections | grep network'? (note, that's a pipe [shift-backspace on most keyboards] between selections and grep)
[05:18] <Vbitz> also note i can not switch to a tty
[05:18] <aoueoa> corigo: We have completely disabled network manager, so right now that should be correct. Instead we're using Linux's old-fashioned, built-in networking capability (one which is terrible with wifi, which is why network manager was created).
[05:19] <aoueoa> Vbitz: Were you logging out or shutting down?
[05:19] <Vbitz> Logging out
[05:21] <aoueoa> Vbitz: I see. Is the machine still in this state?
[05:21] <corigo> kdenetwork: install, kdenetwork-filesharing: install, knetworkconf: install, libqt4-network: install, libqtscript4-network: install, network-manager: install, network-manager-kde: install, network-manager-pptp: install, network-manager-pptp-gnome: install, networkstatus: deinstall, plasma-widget-networkmanagement: deinstall
[05:21] <Vbitz> no using the power switch shuts it down normaly
[05:23] <aoueoa> corigo: you said you're on 10.04, right?
[05:24] <corigo> I ran the update using the builtin system
[05:24] <aoueoa> Vbitz: Does it do this every time you log out of KDE?
[05:24] <corigo> I don't know if it failed or not
[05:24] <Vbitz> it has happend twice today out of 3 logouts
[05:24] <aoueoa> corigo: Try running 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:25] <aoueoa> Vbitz: Were all of these trying to logout from the menu? What happens if you use the k menu to try to shut down or reboot instead?
[05:25] <Vbitz> i was using kickstart
[05:27] <corigo> running ...
[05:28] <aoueoa> Vbitz: That's fine. This still applies, as I believe kickstart uses the same methods for logout etc. as the default K menu. My questions are still applicable.
[05:28] <Vbitz> yes all using the same method
[05:29] <aoueoa> corigo: An incomplete upgrade can cause a lot of nasty problems. Let's try this first and maybe it'll fix itself.
[05:29] <aoueoa> Vbitz: What happens if you use the menu to try to reboot? Does it tend to crash then?
[05:30] <Vbitz> not sure, i will check now, brb
[05:30] <corigo> That was my first and primary goal... but without a network connection I was dead in the water
[05:31] <aoueoa> corigo: Yeah, I figured. Network Manager can be pretty finicky still. The team working on it are doing very well, though.
[05:32] <Vbitz> no crash on reboot
[05:32] <corigo> I wish there was a group working on Kimpanel as well
[05:33] <aoueoa> Vbitz: And the machine is fully up to date (you've run the update manager or 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' today)?
[05:34] <corigo> ok done with the upgrade
[05:34] <aoueoa> corigo: How many people are working on kimpanel?
[05:35] <corigo> As far as I can tell, only the occassional volunteer when they are free. End of story... and it is a major stumbling block for many foreign language users
[05:35] <aoueoa> corigo: okay, what does the same command (dpkg ... network) output now?
[05:35] <corigo> Should I restart
[05:35] <corigo> It says all is upgraded and up-to-date
[05:36] <aoueoa> corigo: I meant the command 'dpkg --get-selections | grep network'.
[05:36] <corigo> ah
[05:36] <aoueoa> corigo: Don't restart yet.
[05:36] <corigo> nochange
[05:37] <aoueoa> corigo: I see. Unfortunately, not speaking any languages that don't use the latin alphabet, I'd be pretty useless trying to improve that program.
[05:38] <corigo> aoueoa: all it needs to do is support the Unicode standard, foreign language capability is not relevant
[05:39] <aoueoa> corigo: You should probably uninstall knetworkconf. It has been deprecated for over a year.
[05:40] <aoueoa> corigo: Then perhaps I don't quite get what it does. I thought it was to allow input in non-latin alphabets.
[05:41] <aoueoa> Vbitz: Is your ubuntu system up to date?
[05:41] <Vbitz> mostly
[05:41] <corigo> right, using key codings. i.e. I type 2 ascii characters and it replaces them with a pre-defined unicode value
[05:42] <corigo> how do I uninstall knetworkconf?
[05:42] <aoueoa> Vbitz: What is not up to date?
[05:42] <aoueoa> corigo: 'sudo apt-get --purge remove knetworkconf'
[05:43] <aoueoa> corigo: So what problems is it having?
[05:43] <Vbitz> kdebase-runtime
[05:43] <aoueoa> Vbitz: Please update that. This may fix your problem.
[05:44] <Vbitz> updated
[05:45] <corigo> ok, removed, but other than that previous messages unchanged
[05:46] <Vbitz> checking
[05:47] <Vbitz> problem looks to be fixed thanks
[05:48] <Vbitz> also is there a openoffice.org chaneal
[05:48] <aoueoa> corigo: Okay, so now i think we should tackle Network Manager itself.
[05:50] <aoueoa> Vbitz: You're welcome. And I always suggest running all of the updates available to you. (If it says there's a new version of Ubuntu available, I would suggest waiting for a weekend or another time when you have a bit of time to play with things, but any updates that appear in your update manager are highly recommended, as they tend to fix a lot of bugs).
[05:50] <Vbitz> thanks
[05:51] <corigo> I'm transfixed
[05:51] <corigo> I mean, I'm ready
[05:53] <aoueoa> corigo: Haha! Okay, the best strategy I can come up with is the brute force approach. That is: 'sudo apt-get --purge remove network-manager network-manager-kde network-manager-pptp network-manager-pptp-gnome networkstatus plasma-widget-networkmanagement'
[05:54] <corigo> hmm... ok, give me a minute
[05:54] <aoueoa> This will purge (remove and remove configurations for) all of the listed packages. For the ones that aren't installed, that will simply clean up some files that are left behind. For the ones that are installed, it uninstalls them and cleans up those files.
[05:57] <corigo> sorry, I was very very naughty and started an upgrade to 4.4.4
[06:00] <aoueoa> corigo: That's okay. I completely understand.
[06:01] <aoueoa> I'm in Mac OS X right now, but as soon as I reboot my machine is getting 4.5 beta 1 from the experimental repository. I'm busy doing the same with my desktop (which is in another room, but I'm using SSH to update it).
[06:02] <corigo> I take it that you've tried KDE on OSX?
[06:03] <aoueoa> corigo: I've tried it, but I never found it to work that well. I'm always optimistic, though, and I'm going to try it again as soon as 4.5 gets into either fink or MacPorts.
[06:04] <corigo> If I didn't hate Mac keyboards soo very much, and KDE was stable on OS X... then I might finally consider owning a Mac again.
[06:05] <aoueoa> What don't you like about Mac keyboards?
[06:05] <corigo> Requires Function keys to use Home, End, Page Up, Page Down, etc.
[06:06] <corigo> (I hate mice... every time  I have to touch a mouse I'm unhappy)
[06:07] <corigo> I don't mind the little red dot in the middle of my ThinkPad keyboard so much, but it is still a nuiscance and a distration
[06:07] <aoueoa> Ahh… yes, that can get a bit annoying on my laptop. Although on a desktop or when my laptop is sitting in its Borg-like state on my desk (no joke - I currently have 8 things plugged into my MBP, and that's only counting my USB hub as one device).
[06:09] <aoueoa> Oops. Incomplete sentence. When I have it in this space, I use my external keyboard and mouse (purely by coincidence, the keyboard is an Apple keyboard (this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_Pro_Keyboard_%28open_top%29.jpg
[06:09] <aoueoa> but a US keyboard).
[06:09] <corigo> Ooh, cool new Kimpanel with 4.4.4 will have to try it
[06:10] <aoueoa> Cool! Hope it works better!
[06:11] <aoueoa> But this keyboard, in addition to feeling more substantial (I hate Apple's new USB/wireless keyboards because they feel like laptop keyboards and thus feel like they're going to break any moment), actually has home/end, etc.
[06:13] <corigo> nice
[06:14] <corigo> Ok, brute forced ... but it said for the two "deinstall" packages of networkstatus and plasma-widget-networkmanagement ... that they are not installed, and therefore not removed
[06:15] <aoueoa> That should be correct. But now it should have purged everything to do with them.
[06:16] <corigo> Now grep network gives me: kdenetwork: install, kdenetwork-filesharing: install, libqt4-network: install, libqtscr-network:install, networkstatus: deinstall, and plasma-widget-networkmanagement: deinstall
[06:16] <corigo> Now you want me to run the distupgrade again?
[06:17] <aoueoa> Hmm… Didn't remove the networkstatus and plasma-widget-networkmanagement stuff as I expected. Oh well… It's not important (it was purely for tidyness's sake).
[06:17] <aoueoa> No need to run dist-upgrade again.
[06:17] <aoueoa> You need to reinstall Network Manager and the surrounding applications. 'sudo apt-get install network-manager network-manager-kde' should take care of it.
[06:18] <corigo> Now it is requesting a system restart
[06:19] <corigo> (to complete the update)
[06:20] <aoueoa> That should be okay.
[06:20] <aoueoa> In fact, after a reboot, in theory everything should work.
[06:24] <corigo> Ok, Toolbar icon on hover now says "Unmanaged"
[06:25] <corigo> Also at startup I keep getting "Nepomuk Semantic Desktop needs the Virtuoso RDF server to store its data.
[06:26] <corigo> I do have an IP, and can ping yahoo.com, but don't know if that is left over from our previous hack
[06:28] <aoueoa> The Nepomuk thing is related to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/500212
[06:28] <aoueoa> I believe all you need to do for that (This is a KDE 4.4 thing) is install virtuoso-server
[06:28] <aoueoa> ('sudo apt-get install virtuoso-server')
[06:28] <aoueoa> Are you able to use your Network Manager applet now?
[06:29] <aoueoa> (You may need to put it back on your panel, since removing the package may have told KDE not to show it anymore).
[06:32] <corigo> when I do an AltF2 search I see Network Connections and KnetworkManager
[06:32] <corigo> I do still have an icon in my panel and it is reporting "Unmanaged"
[06:33] <aoueoa> Hmm…
[06:33] <aoueoa> try running 'sudo restart network-manager'
[06:34] <corigo> It popped up a message: Networking system disabled
[06:36] <well_laid_lawn> try   ifconfig    in konsole maybe to see
[06:37] <corigo> Still have an IP and can ping yahoo
[06:37] <well_laid_lawn> k
[06:37] <aoueoa> well_laid_lawn: I got him to put eth0 in his /etc/network/interfaces file to temporarily workaround the problem to perform a system update.
[06:37] <corigo> Network Manager is also still cacheing my older connection information despite the purge
[06:38] <well_laid_lawn> good idea
[06:38] <aoueoa> corigo: It seems bug 555571 is still plaguing you.
[06:39] <aoueoa> corigo: Have you tried this workaround? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/555571/comments/14
[06:39] <corigo> Even after the 4.4.4 upgrade as well
[06:41] <corigo> Yes, but when I did it before and it rebuild the file it set the WirelessEnabled=false ... the others are true
[06:41] <aoueoa> Have you tried that after purging and reinstalling network manager?
[06:42] <aoueoa> well_laid_lawn: How good are you with Network Manager?
[06:43] <corigo> Just retried... same result...
[06:43] <well_laid_lawn> aoueoa: I remove it and just use a static ip in the interfaces file///
[06:43] <corigo> well_laid_lawn: while that's great for the moment, not great for using wireless ... this is my laptop
[06:45] <aoueoa> well_laid_lawn: Crap. Me too (on my desktop - my laptop has never had a problem with Network Manager, and I just dearly hope it stays that way). I was really hoping you'd be a magical Network Manager guru who actually knows what he's doing with the app.
[06:45] <well_laid_lawn> aoueoa: it seems every man and his dog has issues with it lately...
[06:45] <aoueoa> It would make a pleasant change from me trying to figure it out…
[06:45] <mase_wk> whats the problem with network manager ?
[06:46] <corigo> It's not managing... it doesn't show any of my hardware
[06:46] <mase_wk> and are you talking about network-manager , knetworkmanager or nm-applet specifically ?
[06:46] <aoueoa> mase_wk: corigo is having problems that look a lot like bug 555571. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/555571/
[06:46] <corigo> all 3
[06:46] <mase_wk> k, looking
[06:48] <mase_wk> ah i've hit this before.  i basically killall knetworkmanager && nm-applet
[06:48] <mase_wk> then right click it and hit enable-networking
[06:48] <mase_wk> and then if i'm bothered by it i'll kill nm-applet and restart knetworkmanager
[06:48] <mase_wk> its kind of a hassle though
[06:51] <corigo> mase_wk: nice idea... but it literally isn't seeing my NICs. When I do the killall and relaunch KNetworkManager, I don't have an option to enable
[06:51] <mase_wk> corigo: ok but do you get that with nm-applet as well ?
[06:51] <corigo> My options are: New Wired Connection, Enable Wireless (greyed out and can't be selected), Manage connections
[06:51] <mase_wk> i don't have the option to enable with knetworkmanager
[06:51] <mase_wk> but i do with nm-applet
[06:51] <corigo> Yes
[06:52] <corigo> Those are my options from the Applet
[06:52] <mase_wk> corigo: and you get the same options from knetworkmanager also ?
[06:52] <corigo> No
[06:53] <mase_wk> k so an ifconfig -a in konsole can see your device ?
[06:53] <corigo> KnetworkManager shows the manually created wired connection, and one vestigal wireless connection, but won't do anything with either of them
[06:54] <corigo> Yes, eth0 lo wlan0
[06:54] <SkEmO> ahhh!! im going nuts!!
[06:54] <mase_wk> corigo: ok, and does ifconfig wlan0 up restore the enable wireless in nm-applet ?
[06:55] <corigo> no
[06:55] <corigo> wlan0 has never been missing, it is just network manager that fails to recognize it
[06:55] <mase_wk> i didn't say it was missing
[06:55] <mase_wk> the ifconfig wlan0 up just tells it to power up
[06:56] <corigo> if I run ifconfig without the -a wlan0 doesn't display
[06:56] <corigo> ah ... misread your instructions
[06:56] <corigo> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132
[06:56] <mase_wk> are you root when your trying to do this ?
[06:57] <mase_wk> or using sudo ?
[06:58] <corigo> sudo
[06:58] <mase_wk> corigo: what does dmesg say ?
[06:58] <mase_wk> is there an issue with the driver perhaps ?
[06:59] <corigo> that overflowed my terminal buffer...
[07:00] <mase_wk> corigo: so is this only when your resume from suspend you encounter this
[07:00] <mase_wk> or is it all the time ?
[07:02] <corigo> all the time
[07:02] <corigo> Even after a brute force removal of all network manager and re-install... plus an upgrade to 4.4.4
[07:03] <ani_> kde 4.4.4?
[07:03] <corigo> Originally the wireless disappeared shortly after upgrading to 9.10, then shortly after that I upgraded to 10.04 (hoping to resolve the wireless issue in 9.10), and after a sleep crash no wired network either
[07:04] <corigo> ani_: yes, just did that 30 minutes ago
[07:04] <ani_> what happend than?
[07:04] <corigo> no change
[07:04] <ani_> kde network manager still giving problem
[07:04] <ani_> same here
[07:05] <corigo> looking at dmesg I don't see anything other than Intel HDA starting normally... I think that is my network card
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> it's te sound card
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> s/te/the
[07:05] <corigo> ah
[07:05] <corigo> how can I send to a text file?
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> !intelhda
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[07:06] <corigo> ..I mean how to send dmesg to a text file?
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> dmesg > dmesg.text
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> just like that - or read the log it comes from
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> /var/log/syslog
[07:08] <ani_>  messages
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> the best way to use dmesg for teouble shooting is to run   dmesg | tail -n 20   then insert/restart/whatever then repeat the command
[07:11] <corigo> paste.ubuntu.com/443154/
[07:12] <SkEmO> what does "proc" or "/proc" means?
[07:13] <corigo> process
[07:13] <well_laid_lawn> SkEmO: /proc is in the filesystem  - try   cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:14] <corigo> 1.335267 ... eth0: no errors in dmesg
[07:15] <corigo> 7.023530 iwlagn: Intel driver loaded
[07:16] <obert> 1.how to get autologin,please? no need to insert root pw at startup. 2.what is the param to have to type sudo and stay as root for more time than do sudo pw, please?
[07:17] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: sorry for coming in late but wasn't the issue that the nics were working just not in knetworkmanager?
[07:18] <corigo> yes, which effectively leaves me unable to use wireless, and I've had to manually set eth0
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: thought about just swapping knetworkmanager for wicd?
[07:18] <paul__> my resolution has dropped down to 800x600, I think it's something to do with my nvidia driver as it says its not running whenever I start up X. any ideas where to set the resolution or how to make the driver work properly?
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> !info wicd
[07:19] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nvidia-drivers-manually-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[07:19] <corigo> Never heard of it
[07:19] <SkEmO> haha processor 0
[07:19] <paul__> well_laid_lawn many thanks
[07:19] <well_laid_lawn> obert: for #2 - try   sudo -s   or   sudo -i
[07:20] <obert> grrr and why if i launch kate from yakuake then press ctrl+z to do other things,the app will be freezed?
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> obert: iirc ctrl+z in most editors is the undo keys
[07:22] <obert> isnt ctrl+z to come back to shell,for instance after i typed man foobar?
[07:23] <obert> yes,i assumed that
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> lots of apps use it obert
[07:23] <obert> what do you do then? just opens a new shell window?
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> obert: the   q   button will end a man page too
[07:24] <obert> oh :) then for the main question on how to launch an app from yakuake then continue to work on shell,what is the good way?
[07:24] <obert> mmm
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> obert: put an   &   at the end - like   kate &
[07:25] <corigo> well_laid_lawn: Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface.
[07:25] <obert> i mean.i'd type kate foobar and it is opens kate foobar,then the shell looks freezed. so i try to press ctrl+z to come back to shell and kate will be freezed
[07:25] <obert> filezilla& too? like that?
[07:26] <well_laid_lawn> obert: a space before the & normally
[07:26] <obert> uh thanks
[07:27] <obert> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon  - i get still this
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: I don't use any networkmanager here - does   ps aux | grep dbus   return two or more lines?
[07:28] <corigo> more
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> obert: while starting kate?
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: then it is running
[07:29] <obert> uhmf sudo -i then i'll be root, and to come back user? why i dont feel man intuitive and clear.
[07:29] <obert> any app
[07:29] <corigo> it is running
[07:29] <well_laid_lawn> obert: type   exit   to leave sudo -i
[07:30] <WindPower> Or Ctrl+D
[07:30] <obert> no man for exit??
[07:30] <obert> bah.
[07:30] <WindPower> Also don't worry about the dbus message
[07:30] <corigo> but it doesn't see my wireless (or any) networks
[07:30] <corigo> any wireless that is.
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: you may need to restart the networking
[07:31] <obert> i must get more practice with this
[07:31] <obert> also dolphin is a nightmare to be used. but mkdir looks ancient
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> obert: took me ages to learn
[07:32] <obert> i'm older than ages:P
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[07:32] <corigo> You mean in Kubuntu? I've already restarted the router, and confirmed connection on my Android
[07:33] <paul__> I've downloaded the nvidia driver (.run file) but I'm unable to execute it. I set permission to 755 and tried to run it from a shell but it says must be run as root. using sudo doesn't work, permission denied. Is there another way?
[07:33] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: sudo service networking restart
[07:33] <obert> try sudo -i
[07:33] <obert> :P
[07:33] <paul__> thanks obert
[07:33] <WindPower> paul__: Chmod it 777
[07:33] <WindPower> Or chown root
[07:33] <WindPower> Dunno
[07:34] <paul__> chown root gives permission denied, operation not permitted
[07:34] <paul__> gonna try -i method
[07:34] <obert> paul__: exit to come back user from root heh
[07:34] <WindPower> Or use the packages instead
[07:35] <obert> how do you configure plasma bottom bar to get usability of the pc?
[07:35] <corigo> obert: what do you mean?
[07:35] <paul__> the running the file as sudo -i gives file not found
[07:35] <paul__> even when using ./
[07:35] <obert> i saw some bottom bars with the apps that were added to it
[07:35] <obert> sort of
[07:36] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: sudo -i would have changed the dir
[07:36] <corigo> click the bean and add plasmoids
[07:36] <paul__> oh how do we deal with that?
[07:36] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: where is the .run file?
[07:36] <WindPower> cd back to the dir, or type the full path to the file
[07:37] <obert> gimme some cool tips,come on :P
[07:37] <obert> some more :)
[07:37] <paul__> well_laid_lawn: /home/user/Downloads
[07:37] <paul__> will try full file
[07:37] <corigo> I never should have upgraded from 9.01
[07:37] <corigo> 9.04
[07:37] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: then type   cd /home/user/Downloads - then do the run thing
[07:38] <obert> To enable automatic logon in Ubuntu, you will need to open and run GNOME Display Manager (also known as Logon Window Preference) as root. ??
[07:38] <obert> mah
[07:38] <obert> kdesu /usr/sbin/gdmsetup
[07:38] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: newer isn't always better - i still use dapper here
[07:39] <well_laid_lawn> obert: that won't work in kubuntu - it uses kdm not gdm
[07:39] <paul__> using sudo -i with full path gives permission denied. attempting to chown to root:root also gives permission denied. any ideas?
[07:39] <obert> mhm i was too fast to read
[07:39] <obert> alt+f2 kdesu /usr/sbin/gdmsetup inserted pw
[07:39] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: ls -l /path/to/.run/file
[07:39] <corigo> well_laid_lawn: what version of KDE?
[07:39] <well_laid_lawn> who owns it paul__
[07:40] <obert> and i hope to can recover my old hd.damnit
[07:40] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: I use fluxbox :]
[07:40] <paul__> well_laid_lawn: its owned by user
[07:40] <paul__> was downloaded from browser
[07:41] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: is there a x in the begginning of the ls -l output - it might not be executable
[07:41] <well_laid_lawn> chmod +x .run
[07:41] <paul__> well_laid_lawn it looks like this: -rwxr-xr-x 1 paul paul
[07:41] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: you'll have to look for a readme in the files you d/loaded mate
[07:43] <paul__> it's only one file
[07:43] <paul__> it sucks.
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> one min
[07:45] <phoenix__> anyone there
[07:45] <paul__> well_laid_lawn: I just saw instructions saying to run it as root and use the "sh" command. must be a script or some sort eh. I tried to do it with sudo but it said "can't open"
[07:45] <WindPower> paul__, why not use the nvidia driver package
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: that link I gave said to use the command sudo sh .run file
[07:45] <phoenix__> i have a proble  with kpackagekit can anyone help  me
[07:45] <corigo> wicd doesn't help... even after system restart not finding any wireless networks
[07:45] <paul__> WindPower: someone posted me a web url saying to install the latest driver from nvidia website. I'm having problems getting the package driver to load
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: so doing   sudo sh ".run file" ?
[07:46] <paul__> well_laid_lawn: yeah that's what I tried just now..but maybe the permission has changed when I did +x?
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: have you installed the nvidia binary driver before on this comp?
[07:46] <paul__> well_laid_lawn yes
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: it is working?
[07:47] <paul__> well_laid_lawn it worked initially, but since doing an update every time I restart X the nvidia driver no longer works properly I get a message saying it couldn't load and to take action.
[07:47] <paul__> my resolution is 800x600
[07:48] <phoenix__> paul__: it happens me too
[07:48] <paul__> :-/
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: I meant the run script now is it working " well_laid_lawn: yeah that's what I tried just now..but maybe the permission has changed when I did +x?"
[07:48] <paul__> sometimes it works as yesterday it was working fine, not sure what I did to make it work
[07:48] <phoenix__> paul__: are you using the 9 series
[07:48] <paul__> today its not working again
[07:49] <paul__> well_laid_lawn oh sorry, no its not running. it says cannot open.
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: you need to do the 8 steps in order from that link
[07:49] <paul__> phoenix__ 7 series
[07:49] <paul__> well_laid_lawn ok sorry will try again
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[07:50] <phoenix__> paul__: after every kernel update , i have to reinstall the nvidia driver, but now after 10.04 it is solved
[07:50] <paul__> phew
[07:50] <paul__> hopefully this will fix it properly then
[07:51] <phoenix__> paul__: what is your kubuntu version
[07:51] <paul__> I'm using 10.04
[07:51] <obert> uhmf.looks like i'd removed all apps from bottom plasma-desktop
[07:51] <paul__> from an upgrade from 9.10
[07:51] <obert> even the windows looks like too big,sometimes
[07:52] <obert> add objects,dont see any submit buttons.
[07:53] <phoenix__> paul__: ha ha ha , my nvidia driver crashed after update, i tried to reinstall but no success. i tried the driver from nvidia website, but it failed, i freshly installed kubuntu
[07:53] <phoenix__> paul__: did you try the command line arguments while installing the nvidia driver
[07:54] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix__: there's this link i gave to paul__  - http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nvidia-drivers-manually-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[07:55] <obert> dunno.
[07:55] <paul__> phoenix__ I didn't try anything like that, just ticked the option for the driver support is all I did. it seems very tempramental eh, sometimes it will work and other times not. restarting X seems to fix it sometimes if you create a new X config or use the backup one, something like that
[07:55] <bigbrovar__> has anyone upgraded to kde 4.4.4? hope its safe to do so? cus I heard someone complaining of kopete crashing randomly :-|
[07:56] <paul__> phoenix__ I like the nvidia server as I use the twinview with 2 monitors for charting software.. but now the server app is not showing any of the twinview stuff.
[07:56] <phoenix__> paul__: did you try the solution in the link that well_laid_lawn gave you
[07:56] <paul__> the markets are open and i'm losing a fortune...f'kin X
[07:57] <WindPower> bigbrovar: I updated today, no issue, but I don't use kopete
[07:58] <bigbrovar> WindPower: thanks, updating as we speak
[07:58] <paul__> phoenix__ gonna go through it properly just now, I only downloaded the script initially and tried to run it...I should of read the instructions through properly first
[07:58] <vot> howdy
[07:58] <vot> well i just fired up the new kubuntu
[07:58] <vot> i must say its the best looking linux disto ive seen
[07:59] <vot> whats the story you guys got some graphic artists no one else has
[07:59] <paul__> those guys have worked really hard
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> I don't think there is a developer in here this early vot
[07:59] <WindPower> That's good to hear vot, though kubuntu is pretty much kde, no extra artwork
[07:59] <paul__> 10.04 looks amazing
[08:00] <vot> paul__:  it does
[08:00] <WindPower> So you should thank the people in #kde too
[08:00] <vot> the desktop is of the quality of a commercial desktop yea the new kde and plasma desktop are great
[08:01] <WindPower> I need some sleep, bye
[08:01] <obert> looks like i'd destroied all:P
[08:01] <obert> gnite WindPower
[08:01] <vot> its like mac and windows had a baby:P
[08:02] <paul__> haha yes
[08:02] <obert> right click on bottom right part,add objects->nothing happens
[08:06] <paul__> i'm not having much luck today :-/
[08:06] <paul__> I tried to open the module blacklist but it hasn't opened
[08:06] <paul__> gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf <-- nothing happened, after it asked for sudo pass
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> obert: in your home folder there should be a folder in .kde somewhere called plasma yes?
[08:07] <paul__> if I try to run the command again, I get: No protocols specified. (gedit:8556): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[08:07] <phoenix__> sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf insted of "gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf"
[08:08] <paul__> thanks
[08:08] <well_laid_lawn> !kdesudo
[08:08] <phoenix__> paul__: the instruction given are for ubuntu, you have to correct some to use it with kubunru
[08:09] <paul__> phoenix__ same :-/ will try vi instead
[08:09] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: X isn't running?
[08:09] <paul__> X is running, it's bizarre
[08:09] <well_laid_lawn> try vim then
[08:09] <paul__> ok
[08:09] <phoenix__> paul__: can you paste the xorg error log
[08:10] <paul__> sure
[08:11] <paul__> I've updated the blacklist just completing the final steps if this fails I will paste error log
[08:12] <phoenix__> paul__: ok
[08:12] <obert> what is the purpose of plasma red ball??:D
[08:15] <obert> and mostly how to remove the red ball from my plasma?:P
[08:18] <diana_> applications don't show up in the task bar anymore. how do i fix this?
[08:26] <paul__> unable to run the .run file with sudo
[08:26] <paul__> says "unable to open" when doing sudo sh .run
[08:26] <paul__> it says permission denied when I try and chown it to root, or copy it to /.root
[08:27] <paul__> any ideas?
[08:27] <paul__> I think the only solution looks like enabling root user password and su to root
[08:27] <mase_wk> erm
[08:28] <mase_wk> are you trying to run the script in the current directory ?
[08:28] <mase_wk> also what are the permissions on the files
[08:28] <mase_wk> you should be able to do sudo ./.run
[08:28] <tdn> How do I get desktop effects to work in 10.04 with the new nouveau driver?
[08:28] <mase_wk> but sudo .run won't work
[08:28] <mase_wk> or rather sudo sh .run won't work
[08:29] <paul_____> sorry major problems here, running at 640x480
[08:29] <paul_____> mase_wk: i'm running it from /home/user with the full path specified
[08:29] <paul_____> mase_wk: the .run file is set to 755 and is user:user
[08:30] <mase_wk> ok so your doing sudo sh /home/user/.run ?
[08:30] <paul_____> exactly
[08:30] <corigo> How can I comment out a section in my /etc/network/interfaces file?
[08:30] <mase_wk> paul_____: what is the contents of that file ?
[08:30] <corigo> (what is the terminology for opening and closing a comment)
[08:30] <mase_wk> does it have #!/bin/sh at the top ?
[08:30] <paul_____> mase_wk: I'm not sure, it's the driver from Nvidia website to install the latest driver binary
[08:31] <paul_____> will check
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> corigo: a   #   at the start of the line is a commented line
[08:31] <mase_wk> ah ok
[08:31] <mase_wk> paul_____: any reason why your not using the driver in the partner repositories ?
[08:31] <paul_____> interesting, when I opened it said "Incomplete last line][converted" maybe a bad file?
[08:32] <mase_wk> yeh sounds corrupted.
[08:32] <paul_____> the top looks like this: #! /bin/sh
[08:32] <paul_____> i will try and download it again
[08:32] <mase_wk> paul_____: unless you really need the latest nvidia driver for something i would stick with what is available in the partner repo
[08:33] <mase_wk> paul_____: the nvidia driver is annoying even for experienced users.
[08:39] <corigo> P.S. My kids must have disabled my wireless using the hardware switch on my laptop... can now use wireless via network manager...
[08:40] <corigo> the "rfkill list" command was the key to figuring it out.
[08:41] <corigo> Not sure what happened to the wired connection and why that wasn't being managed.
[08:44] <paul_____> mase_wk: damn :-/
[08:45] <mase_wk> ?
[08:47] <paul______> i have no idea why im getting d/c from here
[08:47] <paul______> happening frequently now
[08:47] <paul______> things are repeating too
[08:48] <paul_____> doh, I have 5 irc connections! i hate this "window list" thing. I preferred the old style taskmanager
[08:49] <paul__> ok sorry about that guys
[08:49] <paul__> im back to my original one
[08:49] <paul__> user error :-p
[08:50] <ivan_> hola
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> !es | ivan_
[08:50] <paul__> espania
[08:51] <skramer_> hi, I have a problem with icons: in some programs I see lot of "?" icons
[08:51] <ivan_> yes
[08:51] <skramer_> strange, if I move the mouse on those "?" they sometimes change to the correct icon and then change back to "ß"
[08:52] <paul__> this is driving me nuts
[08:52] <skramer_> so did I miss anything? I'm on Lucid and latest KDE SC 4.4.4
[08:52] <well_laid_lawn> skramer_: sounds like a bad icon set - the mouseover works but not the rest
[08:53] <paul__> I'm trying to install the nividia driver but it won't let me run the .run file with sudo. says "cannot open"
[08:53] <skramer_> well_laid_lawn: but I just use the standard oxygen icons...
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: you said it was a bad d/load before
[08:54] <paul__> well_laid_lawn: i have just re-downloaded it with wget and deleted the old file first
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> skramer_: did you upgrade to lucid or a fresh install?
[08:54] <skramer_> well_laid_lawn: upgrade
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: did you redo what showed the last d/load was bad as a check?
[08:54] <paul__> yeah
[08:55] <skramer_> well_laid_lawn: the problem only exists on laptop, the VM install on desktop doesn't have such problem although it's also upgraded from Karmic
[08:55] <well_laid_lawn> skramer_: you can try in konsole   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   to pull in anything missing
[08:55] <paul__> well_laid_lawn: same message: [Incomplete last line][converted] 1478
[08:55] <paul__> 91 lines, 63733388 characters
[08:56] <skramer_> well_laid_lawn: ok, I'll try this
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> paul__: sounds like another bad d/load - might be worthwhile trying what mase_wk suggested earlier
[08:57] <paul__> ok will try it
[08:57] <skramer_> well_laid_lawn: it says there is nothing else to be installed.
[08:58] <paul__> how do I enable root
[08:58] <well_laid_lawn> skramer_: you ran those three commands with the && between?
[08:58] <mase_wk> paul__: you can sudo bash
[08:58] <mase_wk> to get a root prompt
[08:58] <paul__> oh cool
[08:58] <skramer_> well_laid_lawn: sure, I did ;-)
[08:58] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:59] <paul__> I need coffee
[08:59] <paul__> that's why things are not working. it's 9am and I haven't had any
[09:00] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[09:00] <paul__> woah I did it
[09:00] <bawww> how can i get the best font settings on Kword?
[09:00] <paul__> I did sudo bash...then cd /root... then wget the file to there, then sh ./run...bingo!
[09:00] <mase_wk> bawww: install a font that you like?
[09:00] <paul__> its installing
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> skramer_: all i can suggest is to   dpkg-reconfigure   the oxygen icons theme - you'll have to search for it in the package manager tho
[09:01] <paul__> must of been permission prob on the folders in user tree
[09:01] <mase_wk> paul__: erm using wget as root is not a good idea
[09:01] <paul__> needs must :-/
[09:01] <mase_wk> you could wget the file
[09:01] <mase_wk> and copy it as root
[09:01] <paul__> i tried that but it failed :(
[09:01] <skramer_> well_laid_lawn: ok, thank you
[09:01] <bawww> mase_wk: i meant the best font rendering?
[09:02] <paul__> I got to quit X to run it
[09:02] <paul__> brb
[09:02] <mase_wk> if its a permissions issue then it doesn't matter who you wget as
[09:10] <vot> hi guys
[09:11] <vot> is their some way to add a "computer" icon to the desktop like gnome
[09:11] <th_> can someone tell me how to mount a sambashare on a kubunu?
[09:13] <vot> you can connect to samba shares via computer->remote cant u
[09:13] <paul__> thanks everyone for your help earlier. I'm pleased to say I now have the nividia driver installed and the server is running...graphics are back to max resolution and twinview is enabled =)
[09:14] <vot> err computer -> network
[09:14] <paul__> now time for a much earned coffee break
[09:35] <vot> whats the story with mouse intergration
[09:35] <vot> when running kubuntu under virtualbox
[09:41] <vot> ah its ok
[09:41] <vot> it updated my kernel and broke built module i guess
[09:55] <vot> oh wow i see the opengl provided through vbox's 3d integration isnt sufficient
[10:37] <nebula> help now install inUtileBar ?
[10:37] <nebula> now run ?
[10:44] <inch> здрасти
[10:52] <well_laid_lawn> !ru | inch
[11:04] <nebula> !inUtileBar
[11:15] <daedaluz> this can't be right.. I want to install unrar, apt wants to uninstall loads of totally unrelated stuff http://pastebin.ca/1875881
[11:25] <Atritas> daedaluz: try "sudo aptitude install -f" to search for and try to fix broken packages (incl. dependencies) and see if it wants to do the same/similar thing.
[11:28] <daedaluz> Atritas: http://pastebin.ca/1875893 it wants to reinstall purged packages and still remove whole bunch of packages I want. dependencies, has apt heard of them?
[11:29] <amichair> how can the wireless subsystem be reset? it looks like the wireless hangs (after working properly for a few minutes)
[11:30] <Atritas> daedaluz: Well it seems you have unsatisifed dependencies which resulted in a consistency problem with your dpkg-database. Although it's rare this *can* happen if you sometimes use "aptitude" and sometimes you use "apt-get" which do work differently when handling dependencies (and reverse dependencies).
[11:32] <Atritas> daedaluz: The easiest thing would be to follow the suggestion and then reinstall and/or purge packages again to your liking. The alternative would be to track down and fix the inconsitencies by hand, which is not only tedious but also not worth it for those few packages IMHO.
[11:40] <daedaluz> Atritas: what? aptitude and apt-get do things incompatibly? oh wow.
[11:40] <daedaluz> well, thanks for help, opted to remove "unneeded" packages
[11:41] <Atritas> daedaluz: Not incompatibly per se, just different... afaik apt-get does not track reverse dependencies at all.
[11:41] <Atritas> So, if you install with aptitude and remove with apt-get for instance it's not guaranteed that all depending packages are removed, too. Wether or not hey are still in use.
[11:42] <Atritas> daedaluz: which - in turn - would make a perfect match for your packages that mysteriously "want to be uninstalled" :-)
[11:44] <daedaluz> Atritas: okay, so I guess that my habit of using aptitude on cli and synaptics habit of using apt on gui do not match
[11:45] <Atritas> daedaluz: Perhaps... But it's nothing to worry really. It's just a few unneccessary packages that are left over. You can always find those with the package "deborphan", too.
[11:47] <daedaluz> I wonder how much of a effort it would be to trash all that apt-get, apt-cache, deborphan and aptitude clusterf'ck and reinstate zypper or pacman instead
[11:47] <ubuntu_> hi
[11:51] <Atritas> daedaluz: Without wanting to start a religous war, i personally prefer dpkg as i find its architecture superior. But without any emotion: It's just another way to manage packages... I'm perfectly able to f'ck up a rpm-based system using zypper, rug, etc., too :-)
[11:52] <ubuntu_> Hi ever[ybody here is the problem: i had as a MBR partition the one with the SUSE linux and through that (and the GRUB loader) i was able to boot the UBUNTU partition which isnt bootable by itself... now the SUSE partition is broken(the hd is broken) and i cannot boot the UBUNTU PARTITION ...what can i do in order to make the ubuntu part bootable???? thnzxxx
[12:08] <sheytan> Hi there
[12:08] <sheytan> after my yesterday upgrade to kde 4.4.4 i have tooo much processes running with '?'
[12:08] <sheytan> know issue?
[12:08] <sheytan> any way to fix  it?
[12:20] <amichair> how can the wireless subsystem be reset? it looks like the wireless hangs after working properly for a few minutes
[12:27] <sheytan> no one?
[12:27] <sheytan> ive got sometimes three the same processes
[12:27] <sheytan> they all have got '?'
[12:31] <apparle> ok guys I have a funny problem I get this "grep-status: executable name not found; reading from standard input" when I press tab after "sudo apt-get purge"
[12:32] <Torch> apparle: do you have grep-status?
[12:33] <apparle> Torch: how do I find that? which package?
[12:33] <apparle> !find grep-status
[12:38] <apparle> I am unable to remove the package dlocate
[12:39] <apparle> help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/443282/
[12:42] <Atritas> apparle: "dpkg --purge dlocate" gives the same result?
[12:42] <apparle> Atritas: I didn't try that, but purging with aptitude fixed it
[13:06] <attila_> ciao
[13:22] <MickOat> Hello, is anyone else experiencing Kubuntu 10.04 regularly hitting 100% CPU and freezing?
[13:26] <_4strO> MickOat: no pb @ home
[13:27] <obert> uhmf i get the bBall runnin in my plasma. how to stop it&remove it?
[13:27] <_4strO> MickOat: look at the taskmanager wich process take all CPU
[13:27] <obert> gettin mad:P
[13:27] <obert> taskmanager in kubuntu?
[13:28] <_4strO> obert: dont know, kill the process ?
[13:28] <MickOat> u mean system monitor?
[13:28] <_4strO> yep
[13:28] <_4strO> ctrl + esc
[13:28] <obert> dunno how to kill it. sudo kill bBall returns 'i need an ID'
[13:29] <_4strO> (sorry about app names, i have french name)
[13:29] <SpaceMan> killall -9 bBall
[13:29] <obert> if kill nameapp is
[13:29] <obert> uhm
[13:30] <obert> no process found
[13:30] <MickOat> I checked forums and launchpad... seems to be a bug affecting some people
[13:30] <MickOat> system seems ok at the moment but can randomly go to 100% CPU and freeze...
[13:31] <obert> i have no idea.
[13:32] <obert> no info in the web too. wth is that red ball?
[13:32] <obert> when i do right click over one app it'll shows 'remove app' and that's good. but nothing about this red ball:)
[13:33] <MickOat> red ball? you mean the bouncy ball widget?
[13:34] <_4strO> obert:  killall -9 bball
[13:34] <obert> none
[13:34] <obert> _4strO:   bball=no process found
[13:35] <_4strO> obert: is it the red ball ?
[13:35] <obert> mhm
[13:35] <_4strO> just right click on it
[13:36] <obert> add obj -> red ball (dunno why i've took that,though)
[13:36] <obert> i cannot right click.it is moving
[13:37] <MickOat> it should stop after a while... :P
[13:37] <MickOat> its a bouncy ball...
[13:37] <obert> it is since this morning that is runnin
[13:37] <MickOat> lol
[13:37] <obert> what's the purpose of that bball too..is it a game?
[13:38] <obert> or just a nightmare?
[13:38] <_4strO> just fun
[13:38] <MickOat> hmm... its bouncyness might be set a bit high :P
[13:38] <obert> fun??! pacman is fun.this is a stressfull thing:P
[13:38] <obert> yes it is.so fast
[13:38] <MickOat> you should be able to grab it with your mouse pointer
[13:39] <obert> i cannot take it via mouse: too fast
[13:40] <obert> if this is fun,kubuntu is a very weird people :P
[13:41] <obert> /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-bball.desktop
[13:43] <obert> no idea.
[13:44] <ArGGu^^> obert ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[13:44] <ArGGu^^> remove section where is plugin=BbalL
[13:44] <ArGGu^^> and logout and login
[13:44] <ArGGu^^> see if that helps
[13:45] <obert> sudo kate  ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc ?
[13:45] <ArGGu^^> no need to sudo
[13:45] <MickOat> kinda sucks if your bouncy ball widget has gone crazy :P
[13:46] <obert> just comment it?
[13:47] <ArGGu^^> well I thin you can just remove it
[13:47] <ArGGu^^> *think
[13:47] <obert> #commented
[13:47] <ArGGu^^> that file just have information of widget what you have running
[13:47] <MickOat> I just tried to lock widgets to see if it stops the bouncy ball and it does
[13:48] <MickOat> When I unlocked widgets again mine didn't bounce around and I could remove it
[13:49] <obert> weird. i'd commented it saved and closed kate, reopened it and now it no finds that commented line
[13:50] <obert> block objects doesnt helps. i try to reboot (if that means logout and login)
[13:51] <MickOat> no, lock widgets
[13:51] <MickOat> click on plasma icon top left of screen
[13:52] <MickOat> click on "lock widgets"
[13:52] <obert> nothing happens
[13:53] <MickOat> the ball doesn't stop?
[13:53] <obert> i feel stupid.
[13:53] <obert> no
[13:53] <MickOat> oh dear
[13:53] <MickOat> you have a rogue bouncy ball...
[13:53] <MickOat> :P
[13:55] <obert> damnit.
[13:55] <MickOat> it worked for me...
[13:57] <obert> uff finally.
[13:57] <MickOat> You got it?
[13:58] <obert> reduced zoom. locked objects. got lucky to can click over the ball and i opened its settings,reduced all settings to 0,unlocked widgets removed ball
[13:58] <obert> uarf
[13:58] <MickOat> yay :D
[13:59] <obert> now instead smoke a cigarette i should take a very big cigar:P
[13:59] <obert> but trust me.red ball IS NOT funny:P
[13:59] <_4strO> lol
[13:59] <obert> and dunno why man kill doesnt shows any all-9
[13:59] <MickOat> The red ball is evil >:D
[13:59] <reagleBRKLN> I have a small function that fetches web content for me: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/221011/ . Dealing with the character encoding can be tricky. Here you see I look for the HTTP charset, and if not present assume/force utf-8. Is there a better way using the standard libraries? A trick for also looking at the HTML meta tag?
[14:00] <obert> MickOat:  than kubuntu man should advice their users:P
[14:00] <MickOat> obert: I've honestly never heard of the bouncy ball doing that before
[14:01] <obert> but do you feel happy with man or is just about me that i never understand how to use their explanations?
[14:01] <MickOat> ?
[14:01] <obert> MickOat:  just enable it, click 'auto bouncing' and set high bouncying speed:P
[14:01] <MickOat> I look for the simple solution
[14:01] <MickOat> obert: No. :P
[14:02] <obert> come on..it is fun :P
[14:03] <MickOat> come away from the bouncy ball
[14:03] <obert> kill -9 -1  mah
[14:04] <obert> uh  killall(1).
[14:05] <obert> well i dont feel man so intuitive still
[14:07] <obert> or maybe i just need to get more practice
[14:08] <obert> thanks a lot people
[14:08] <MickOat> no problemo
[14:08] <rmrfslash> So what's with the VPN tab in the network manager?
[14:08] <rmrfslash> can't do anything with it
[14:09] <rmrfslash> Do I need to install network-manager-openvpn-kde for this to be enabled or something?
[14:11] <obert> no problemo?:)
[14:11] <MickOat> you're welcome
[14:12] <obert> yes yes:P
[14:15] <obert> well some tools looks nice
[14:15] <obert> do you got some preferred tools/config?
[14:19] <MickOat> I dunno
[14:21] <obert> :)
[14:22] <supermagnum> how do i find all files ending with fdi using the command prompt?
[14:23] <LjL> find -name '*fdi'
[14:23] <supermagnum> thanks !
[14:36] <supermagnum> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3112239.0
[14:39] <nebula> help
[14:56] <obert> compiz time:)
[14:57] <obert> i have a lot of time to spend today.
[14:57] <obert> in useless stuff:P
[14:58] <MickOat> I prefer kwin
[15:01] <obert> MickOat: never heard about
[15:01] <obert> killall -9 amsn shouldnt works?
[15:01] <edgy> Hi, today I got updates to kde 4.4.4 and I updated the system but now glxgears and glxinfo show Segmentation Fault, the strange thing is Gnome does works properly
[15:02] <MickOat> obert: kwin is part of kde
[15:02] <obert> found it.thanks
[15:02] <obert> still downloadin compiz
[15:03] <MickOat> you dont use kwin?
[15:03] <obert> no
[15:03] <MickOat> Have you used KDE with effects enabled?
[15:03] <obert> these are my first try on linux
[15:04] <MickOat> obert: KDE already has composite effects, it doesn't need compiz
[15:04] <obert> i see.but too late
[15:04] <obert> apt-get is runnin already
[15:06] <obert> sigh.graph signs here too.
[15:06] <obert> cant wait for new machine to arrive
[15:08] <rohdef> is there know problems with the installer in 10.04?
[15:08] <obert> some issues about bball
[15:08] <rohdef> I've got a call from one of my friends telling that it crashed when he should be allowed to select language
[15:09] <rohdef> and a second time on the partions screen
[15:10] <rohdef> he also tells that the system gets very very slow when starting the installer
[15:11] <MickOat> rohdef: yes, same thing happened to me today... you have to click the "update installer" link when the installer first starts
[15:11] <MickOat> rohdef: after that it installs fine
[15:11] <obert> is there a way to ctrl+f over yakuake after done a locate?
[15:11] <rohdef> MickOat, told him that, thanks a lot
[15:12] <MickOat> np
[15:44] <blueyed> Anyone else having problems to get the kdm login screen back when closing the last X session? (e.g. via "awesome" for me, but the same with kwin/plasma/default, too): I just get a blank screen, no way to get to a VT - can only reset the computer.
[15:45] <blueyed> does not happen when using gdm instead of kdm, and "kdmctl reserve" works to get a new login screen (before logging out of the last session). Using Lucid.
[15:46] <Drknzz> Hi guys! I just installed kubunut-desktop on my lucid gnome install, and my sound isnt working :S
[15:52] <human> Drknzz, you must set the channels in mixer
[15:52] <human> The mixer is in the tray by default
[15:52] <Drknzz> human: i just figured that out, its kinda weird they come pre-muted, eh?
[15:53] <Drknzz> human: I just thought KDE had sound problems as in the first stable releases
[15:53] <human> You can type alsamixer in terminal and set it correctly.
[15:54] <human> Drknzz, I have 9.10 and it works here
[15:55] <Drknzz> I have Lucid
[16:01] <human> Drknzz, you have tryed to set channels in tray? Have you sound in GNOME?
[16:08] <_jam> when I click on KRandRTray after transferring the screen to an external VGA monitor, both my laptop and external screen go blank.
[16:08] <_jam> If i right-click on the tray and use the provided contextual menu to enable my laptop display and then disable the external display, everything is fine
[16:08] <_jam> my google-fu is returning mostly several year old reports that do not seem relevant anymore. is this a known problem
[16:09] <_jam> oh, and right clicking and selecting "Configure display" causes the same blanking problem
[16:10] <_jam> I'm able to hit the console and restart kdm and get the screen back (though it goes back to a 1024x768 resolution instead of the native resolution)
[16:11] <_jam> is there a CLI program that I can use to restore the screen on one of the monitors?
[16:15] <odhinn> Hello
[16:18] <sebastian> Hey guys, i got a ATI ASUS EAH 4670 graphic card, and was woundering if theres any drivers for it, atm i got a driver for radeon but its not working 100%
[16:18] <DarthFrog> !fglrx | sebastian
[16:21] <sebastian> thank you
[16:24] <odhinn> ok guys, got a Webcam that identifies itself as "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 13d3:5094 IMC Networks " in lsusb, picture is upside down. Anyone have any suggestions?
[16:24] <sebastian> i dont understand it says [Radeon HD 4670] but the radeon drivers dont work as they should, i use the asus driver in windows and it works perfectly, but its not available for linux
[16:24] <obert> i got forced rebooted when i'd tried to load a site that is using flash (seems)
[16:25] <DarthFrog> sebastian: ATI provides fglrx drivers for Linux.  I'm using them right now with my Radeon 5770 card.  They work well.
[16:25] <sebastian> but i got asus not ati my bad
[16:26] <sebastian> but its radeon aswell
[16:26] <DarthFrog> sebastian: My card is also an Asus.  ATI makes the GPU, though.
[16:27] <sebastian> the problem is, when i use the opensource driver, xbmc works great, but it dont transfer sound through the hdmi cable to my tv, but it does on the official driver, but then the picture dont work on xmbc xD
[16:27] <obert> i hate alice.it
[16:28] <odhinn> any ideas for me, DarthFrog?
[16:29] <odhinn> you usually have all the answers! lol
[16:29] <DarthFrog> odhinn: Thanks for your confidence. :-)  I've never used a web cam, sorry.
[16:29] <odhinn> lol...thanks anyway, I shoulda known it wouldn't be that easy!
[16:30] <DarthFrog> odhinn: Personally, I'd just turn the camera upside down. :-)
[16:30] <odhinn> unfortunately....it's built-in to a laptop
[16:30] <sebastian> turn ur laptop upside down :)
[16:31] <odhinn> ROFL....I tried that....it's hard to Skype like that!
[16:31] <odhinn> all the ppl in Denny's thought I'd gone nuts!
[16:31] <sebastian> isnt there any settings in skype where u can transform the picture the opposite way?
[16:32] <odhinn> I actually don't know, I don't really yse Skype
[16:32] <odhinn> *use
[16:32] <sebastian> so what program are u using for ur cam?
[16:32] <odhinn> I was just trying to get it working to video chat with Kopete
[16:33] <odhinn> I found that it's a known issue with this kind of laptop, but couldn't find a fix
[16:34] <DarthFrog> odhinn: If it's important to you, why not disable the on-board camera and pick up a cheap external USB one?
[16:35] <odhinn> was gonna keep that for a last resort
[16:36] <odhinn> I'm fairly new to Linux, but only "this time around", I decided this time I was gonna stay put and try to "fix" my problems rather than resorting back to Winblows....lmao
[16:36] <odhinn> but, that's ok....I'll figure it out sometime or another....
[16:36] <odhinn> good thing I don't use the webcam that often, eh?
[16:37] <DarthFrog> It gives you a different view of the world. :-)
[16:37] <odhinn> hehe
[16:37] <odhinn> I suppose one could say that
[16:38] <sebastian> anyone knows a good media center with gpu acceleration except xbmc?
[16:38] <odhinn> sorry, sebastian, I don't...don't really use one either
[16:39] <DarthFrog> sebastian: Check out Mythbuntu
[16:39] <sebastian> but thats an OS tho isnt it?
[16:40] <DarthFrog> It's Ubuntu/Kubuntu with MythTV & control center utility.
[16:40] <DarthFrog> By default, it uses XFCE but you can install either Kubuntu or Ubuntu desktop.
[16:40] <sebastian> ok thx
[16:40] <DarthFrog> XFCE is good, tho.
[16:41] <sebastian> i like eyecandy tho :D
[16:41] <odhinn> lmao
[16:41] <odhinn> I've never actually used/seen XFCE
[16:42]  * odhinn 
[16:42] <DarthFrog> !xubuntu | odhinn
[16:42] <odhinn> oops
[16:42] <sebastian> i cant even activate the desktop effects with any driver, the fglrx or the standard one
[16:44] <odhinn> thanks, DarthFrog, I know what it is, just haven't used/seen it
[16:44] <odhinn> I'm partial to KDE
[16:46] <sebastian> anyone knows why it says composition effects is not supported on ur system when i got the fglrx drivers?
[16:47] <odhinn> WB, sebastian, and no, sorry
[16:47] <sebastian> ok, on top of that i get some screen flashes also
[16:48] <odhinn> that's one thing I CAN identify with....from time to time I get a flash across the bottom third of my screen
[16:49] <odhinn> but I just have an onboard Intel gpu
[16:50] <sebastian> its weird cause the driver that comes with kubuntu is better then the fglrx, but the difference is that i can transfer sound through my hdmi with the fglrx
[16:50] <epimeth> my sound stopped working... I am told that a sound device was disconnected and when I check what it is it says that there is no playback/recording through the pulseaudio server
[16:54] <DT[AtWork]> what is the command line to install a .bin file. adobe AIR is the file in question
[16:55] <odhinn> epimeth: that happened to me about two days ago, I ignored it and kept doing what I was doing, now it has playback.recording through the pulseaudio server, don't think I did anything to achieve that result tho
[16:55] <epimeth> odhinn: I was ignoring it for a while because sound kept working, but now sound isn't working anymore!
[16:56] <DarthFrog> It is my experience that PulseAudio in Kubuntu is much more trouble than it's worth.  I yank it out every time.
[16:56] <odhinn> have you rebooted since you got the msg?
[16:56] <odhinn> yank it out how, DarthFrog
[16:56] <odhinn> ?
[16:56] <DarthFrog> odhinn: sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio
[16:57] <epimeth> DarthFrog: and what is used instead?  Does alsa take over?
[16:57] <DarthFrog> !phonon | epimeth
[16:58] <DarthFrog> Hmm, Botty doesn't know Phonon.
[16:58] <odhinn> lol
[16:58] <epimeth> !phonon
[16:58] <odhinn> so, the truth is revealed....Botty isn't omniscient after all!
[16:59] <DarthFrog> odhinn: Botty is just like Jessica Rabbit. :-)
[16:59] <epimeth> DarthFrog: so apt-get install phonon?  And it will automagically take over?
[16:59] <DarthFrog> She's just coded that way.
[16:59] <odhinn> ROFLMAO
[16:59] <DarthFrog> epimeth: No, not needed.  Phonon is part and parcel of KDE 4.
[16:59] <delight> can somebody give me a quick hint on how to share a local printer over network (kubuntu lucid)
[16:59] <DarthFrog> epimeth: All you need do is yank out PulseAudio.
[17:00] <odhinn> doesn't Phonon use the xine backend by default?
[17:00] <epimeth> so why do we have pulseaudio?  Wait... is that the gnome one?  I accidentally installed ubuntu so I've retained some artifacts from there
[17:00] <delight> primarily want to share over local network to other kubuntu lucid installations ... in a second step also for some windows xp clients
[17:00] <DarthFrog> odhinn: By default, yes.  But you can use GStreamer if you wish.
[17:00] <DarthFrog> !samba | delight
[17:00] <odhinn> I tried that...still in a CC list on the bug report from it....lol
[17:01] <delight> DarthFrog: well samba is not the primary target
[17:01] <DarthFrog> Sound is a clusterfsck in Kubuntu Karmic & Lucid.
[17:01] <delight> want to share from kubuntu to kubuntu ... don't need the samba (hopefully) for that
[17:01] <odhinn> nod
[17:02] <DarthFrog> delight: You said you want Windows clients.  Linux will also use Samba printers.
[17:02] <delight> well not primarily
[17:02] <DarthFrog> In some cases, Samba is a better solution for Linux than native solutions.
[17:03] <DarthFrog> delight: Then check out CUPS and IPP.
[17:03] <odhinn> I still have Gstreamer backend installed, but I had to let it defer to xine or it causes several things to crash at app startup
[17:03] <DarthFrog> !cups | delight
[17:03] <epimeth> DarthFrog: I'm restarting... I hope pulseaudio was the problem :-)
[17:04] <odhinn> hurry back , epimeth
[17:04] <odhinn> you a football fan, DarthFrog?
[17:05] <DarthFrog> odhinn: Yes.
[17:05] <odhinn> let me guess, MU?
[17:05] <DarthFrog> <- is Canadian.
[17:06] <odhinn> who's your team, then?
[17:06] <odhinn> <- is one of your southern 'brothers'
[17:06] <DarthFrog> Um, chatting & off-topic discussion isn't allowed on channel, sorry.
[17:06] <odhinn> oh....sorry then
[17:07] <odhinn> back to sound then...do you know what would cause my sound level to be super-low, even with all the sliders at max?
[17:08] <razd> ^ mine does that, too... if anyone has suggestions, that'd be great
[17:10] <DT[AtWork]> anyone know the command line to install a .bin file?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> razd, odhinn , seems to be a prob for many ,my setup included, depends on the soundcard but intelhda seem suffer most.
[17:11] <odhinn> yush....that's the model I have
[17:11] <delight> DarthFrog: the point is i cant find the config to share the printer in "kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde"
[17:11] <epimeth> DarthFrog: nope... no sound :-(
[17:12] <odhinn> none at all, epimeth?
[17:12] <epimeth> nada
[17:13] <BluesKaj> DT[AtWork], .bin files are usually exe files , should just work by clicking on it or ./nameoffile in the konsole
[17:13] <odhinn> check your multimedia settings make sure it's not still trying to use the Pulseaudio server
[17:13] <DT[AtWork]> clicking want wine to open it. but thaks for the command
[17:13] <DT[AtWork]> crunchbang has so many thing screwed up o.O
[17:13] <odhinn> I removed my Pulseaudio and it is still listed for some reason
[17:14] <odhinn> I just set it to defer to the hardware
[17:15] <epimeth> pulseaudio isn't there
[17:15] <BluesKaj> odhinn, purge pulseaudio, it will be gone but it will still show in syssettings/media, even tho it doewsn't do anything
[17:15] <epimeth> clicking on "test" for HDA Intel (STAC92XX) doesn't do anything
[17:16] <BluesKaj> !intelhda |epimeth
[17:16] <epimeth> cheers BluesKaj ... long time no see :-)
[17:16] <DT[AtWork]> keeps telling me "command not found"
[17:16] <BluesKaj> hi epimeth :)
[17:17] <BluesKaj> DT[AtWork], cd to the filepath in the terminal then run the ./filename
[17:18] <DT[AtWork]> tried that
[17:18] <DT[AtWork]> ./AIR.bin says "permission denied"
[17:18] <BluesKaj> DT[AtWork], what is the app?
[17:18] <DT[AtWork]> adobe AIR
[17:18] <BluesKaj> DT[AtWork], try sudo
[17:18] <DT[AtWork]> adding sudo gets me "command not found"
[17:21] <DT[AtWork]> tried to re download it, same issue
[17:23] <BluesKaj> DT[AtWork], http://www.air-tutorial.com/installing-adobe-air-on-linux
[17:25] <DT[AtWork]> why thank you
[17:26] <DT[AtWork]> i get redirected to the same download >.>
[17:26] <DT[AtWork]> reading the rest of the article
[17:27] <odhinn> I think the first(and only) comment holds the crux of the matter, DT[AtWork]...
[17:28] <DT[AtWork]> i folowed the rest of the directions and it works
[17:28] <DT[AtWork]> thaks BluesKaj
[17:28] <odhinn> WOOT!
[17:29] <epimeth> BluesKaj: all right, lets see if it worked... restart! :-)
[17:29] <DT[AtWork]> the first comment applies to the old beta version of AIR for Linux. that doesn't exist anymore
[17:29] <odhinn> ahhh
[17:31] <DT[AtWork]> now lets see it tweek deck runs!
[17:33] <DT[AtWork]> that would be a negative. seems kwallet is interfering >.>
[17:33] <epimeth> BluesKaj: didn't work :-(
[17:33] <DT[AtWork]> oh well, i'll figure the rest out myself, thanks for the help!
[17:33] <epimeth> unless, of course, I chose the wrong model... is there any way to test without restarting?
[17:38] <epimeth> from http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/XPSm1530 I have the correct model, but still no sound...
[17:42] <epimeth> it works!  I had to turn up the volume in alsamixer :-)
[17:42] <epimeth> niiice
[17:42] <epimeth> cheers peeps
[17:43] <n8w> damn...i got finally s2disk workin on 10.4.)
[17:43] <sravanje> how can we master in kubuntu
[17:45] <paurumint> Hi all!
[17:46] <paurumint> Does anyone copy?
[17:47] <sravanje> how can i learn about server administration with in the single system
[17:52] <BluesKaj> sravanje, explain what you are trying to do pls ,your Q is rather vague
[17:53] <blueyed> sravanje: you mean with only a shell on your hands?
[17:55] <sravanje> yes, i mean only with shell or on command prompt
[17:55] <sravanje> i want to learn linux administration
[17:56] <DarthFrog> sravanje: Then just get stuck into it.  Just do it.  The best way is to solve problems.
[17:57] <DarthFrog> sravanje: Read an awful lot of material about Linux itself.
[17:57] <gribs> Hi, could you help? How to set up multitouch on my laptop on kubuntu 10.04?
[17:57] <goodtime> that sounds like a tuffy
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> gribs: well touchscreens are not entirely supported
[17:58] <gribs> no, i'm mean touchpad
[17:58] <DarthFrog> sravanje: Download the kernel source code from kernel.org and compile yourself a new kernel from stratch.  Install this new kernel. :-)
[17:58] <sravanje> i mean with in the single system not with in tha lan atleast how can we operates all the things through kubuntu
[17:58] <shadeslayer_> gribs: you might have more luck with ubuntu
[17:59] <odhinn> DarthFrog: I'd like to learn how to compile my own kernel from scratch...can you suggest some resources?
[17:59] <shadeslayer_> sravanje: well the first thing about linux administration is package management... imo
[17:59] <shadeslayer_> odhinn: theres the ubuntu wiki
[18:00] <shadeslayer_> it has good instructions on how to compile your own kernel
[18:00] <odhinn> any other suggestions for reading material?
[18:00] <shadeslayer_> !kernel > odhinn
[18:00] <DarthFrog> shadeslayer_: Package management is important, I agree.  But first should be simply learning how Linux runs, what the directories are and setting run-levels.
[18:01] <shadeslayer_> DarthFrog: well that and understanding the FS,how dirs work,what goes where is important too
[18:01] <shadeslayer_> anyways im out of time.. gtg :P
[18:01] <DarthFrog> shadeslayer_: Exactly.  Otherwise you'll end up with a dog's breakfast.
[18:02] <odhinn> DarthFrog: was that you sending me the msg from ubottu?
[18:02] <odhinn> nvm
[18:02] <odhinn> just saw the line where shadeslayer did it
[18:03] <sravanje> i have 2 os's windowsxp sp2 & kubuntu in my system accessing through grub file in the boot time, but when i format c drive for windows , i am unable to accessing to kubuntu because my grub file is missing what can i do?
[18:03] <BluesKaj> !windows
[18:04] <BluesKaj> oops:)
[18:04] <odhinn> sravanje: when you install windows, it destroys your grub installation in the MBR, you need to reinstall grub from the LiveCD
[18:04] <DarthFrog> odhinn: No, it was shadeslayer.
[18:04] <gribs_> it's sad. But i should enable shmconfig, right? How to do this?
[18:04] <odhinn> I learned that the hard way as well...lol
[18:04] <BluesKaj> !grub
[18:05] <BluesKaj> oops again
[18:05] <sravanje> in which option i can install only grub with live cd
[18:05] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[18:06] <DarthFrog> sravanje:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[18:08] <BluesKaj> I wish the powers that be would update ubottu's grub info to a more current state.
[18:09] <sravanje> thanks all of you
[18:09] <odhinn> lmao....if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.......
[18:09] <odhinn> good luck, sravanje
[18:10] <BluesKaj> it's not too much to ask , since there have been 2 releases since that grub botscript was relavent
[18:12] <sravanje> in ubuntu 9.04 , when installing after restart, in manual option, it is giving accessing only to make one partition, if we want extra partition in the installation time it is not giving chance , so, how can we do this at install time or after installing
[18:14] <BluesKaj> sravanje, download gparted live cd iso , burn to disk and use it to edit, resize, format etc your partitions
[18:15] <sravanje> how can we download gparted live cd iso from where
[18:15] <BluesKaj> it's been my experience that using a separate partition editor is easier than the live ikubuntu install cd
[18:17] <BluesKaj> sravanje, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php
[18:17] <sravanje> how it is  using a separate partition editor, where is it available for us
[18:18] <BluesKaj> sravanje,  a hint , google-linux is your friend :)
[18:18] <csgeek_> so.. for some reason.. I rebooted my computer (silly power outage) and now my KDE profile says the network-manager is disabled.
[18:19] <BluesKaj> csgeek_, right click on it in the panel , manage connections
[18:20] <csgeek_> I can get to it from the system settings.. right click it shows as: "Network Manager Disabled"
[18:20] <csgeek_> and no other options
[18:22] <BluesKaj> csgeek_, in the terminal ,sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:22] <csgeek_> did that already
[18:23] <BluesKaj> wifi or ethernet, csgeek_?
[18:24] <csgeek_> I'm also getting this line:  resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolv.conf must be a symlink  which I'm not quiet sure how to fix
[18:26] <BluesKaj> csgeek_, sudo dhclient wlan0 or eth0 , whatever you use
[18:26] <DarthFrog> resolv.conf must be a symlink??  Never came across that one.  My resolv.conf isn't a symlink.
[18:27] <BluesKaj> could be a setting in resolv.conf that needs to be fixed
[18:30] <csgeek> hmm.. well resolv.conf gets overwritten by dhcp/network manager you use
[18:31] <csgeek> I don't see how adjusting resolv.conf would fix the issue.  But anyways.. I'm more interested in network manager for now
[18:32] <BluesKaj> csgeek, I asked if you are wifi or ethernet /
[18:34] <csgeek> both
[18:34] <csgeek> I can get on using sudo <cli command>
[18:35] <csgeek> I'd just need the network manager to respond.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> csgeek, which one are trying to use , then ?
[18:35] <csgeek> basically it's not managing any internet connection.
[18:35] <csgeek> wired
[18:36] <csgeek> my point was that the UI doesn't seem to be able to communicate with whatever service is running.  I can configure wired, wireless, vpn but it doesn't do anything on any connection
[18:37] <jimmy51_> i need a webcam for skype on my home PC.  running kubuntu 10.04 and skype, what's a good webcam?
[18:37] <jimmy51_> i'm looking for a firsthand confirmation of one that just plugs in and works
[18:38] <BluesKaj> ok csgeek , open /etc/network/interfaces in the run command or the terminal, check this tutorial , http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[18:41] <ArGGu^^> csgeek is the network manager disabled? or networking disabled?
[18:44] <ArGGu^^> csgeek I found google that someone had networking disabled on kubuntu, but network manager was running
[18:44] <ArGGu^^> and he got it working with these commands
[18:44] <ArGGu^^> sudo service network-manager stop
[18:44] <ArGGu^^> cd /var/lib/NetworkManager/
[18:44] <ArGGu^^> sudo rm NetworkManager.state
[18:44] <ArGGu^^> sudo service network-manager start
[18:44] <FloodBotK3> ArGGu^^: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:46] <BluesKaj> ArGGu^^, that's if you want to use network manager , in some cases it's best just use /etc/network/interfaces
[18:49] <csgeek> hmm.. no idea
[18:49] <csgeek> followed ArGGu^^'s instructions.. that got me a new icon.  Then I had to kill -9 the knetworkmanager and restart it and now it's working
[18:52] <csgeek> seems to be an issue that's more then just me...
[18:53] <odhinn> WB, DarthFrog
[18:53] <DarthFrog> odhinn: Tnx.  Just rebooted into the new KDE. :-)
[18:53] <odhinn> new?
[18:53] <odhinn> is there a new version?
[18:53] <DarthFrog> 4.4.4
[18:53] <DarthFrog> In the PPA.
[18:54] <odhinn> nice
[18:54] <odhinn> what's the best way to implement it?
[18:54] <razd> why is it that KNetworkManager needs a KWallet password every time I boot up? I told KWallet to store the password
[18:54] <DarthFrog> odhinn:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  after you've enabled the PPA archive.
[18:55] <DarthFrog> razd: You have to give it permission to access KWallet.
[18:56] <odhinn> not sure if I've enabled the PPA or not...how would one check?
[18:58] <obert> http://www.boingboing.net/oimages/danielrobotgameboy.jpg :P
[18:58] <razd> DarthFrog: is that in the KWallet settings? I thought I checked the "remember these settings" dialog (or whatever it says) the first time it asked for a password
[18:59] <razd> man I wish I still had one of those original brick-sized Gameboys... I think a giant robot could have sneaked up on me while I was playing my old one... it was so fun
[19:08] <DarthFrog> razd: I've never played around with KWallet, I just use it. :-)
[19:10] <razd> curses! well, thanks for the tip... I'll search around to see if I can find where I might give appropriate permissions
[19:35] <spirov92> hi, is there a way to check which process is occupying a particular port?
[20:19] <Whammo> can anybody tell me how to purge or uninstall screensaver feature?
[20:20] <Tukz> no
[20:20] <Whammo> so you're stuck with it too, huh?
[20:20] <Tukz> no
[20:20] <Whammo> lol
[20:20] <Tukz> no
[20:22] <Whammo> ok, does anybody know how to turn off screensaver? because no matter what setting I modify the damn thing still goes off every 10 minutes
[20:26] <Tukz>  
[20:26] <Tukz>  
[20:26] <FloodBotK3> Tukz: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:26] <Whammo> I mean, I'd like to purge libkscreensaver5, but Synaptic say it would break kpackagekit, kde-desktop, and others
[20:28] <Tukz> why you want to purge it
[20:28] <Whammo> because I can't disable it
[20:28] <Whammo> and I would never need it in the first place\
[20:29] <Tukz> leave it so. it dont need much space on disk
[20:29] <Whammo> I don't need space, I simply need my system to take it upon itself to choose to automatically do things I have specifically told it not to do
[20:30] <SpaceMan> can you turn off the screen saver in your control panel, maybe in the display section?
[20:30] <Whammo> obvoiusly that doesn't work
[20:30] <SpaceMan> or power saving?
[20:30] <Whammo> I know how to hit the apply button etc.
[20:30] <SpaceMan> :)
[20:30] <Tukz> ...
[20:31] <ZachK_> heya jono
[20:33] <Whammo> ok I did find a "dim display" in powersave that I overlooked. thanks SpaceMan
[20:35] <jono> hey ZachK_
[20:55] <j2daosh> ok, ill try in here since ubuntu is a no-go
[20:55] <j2daosh> i screwed up, installed arping which removed network-manager. i now have no wifi so i cant apt-get network-manager to fix the issue
[20:56] <j2daosh> i have downloaded all the packages for the karmic main,multi,universe repos, added it to the sources.list, did the update and it read in the packages
[20:57] <j2daosh> but when i apt-get install network-manager, it says that it can't find the file. i thought the repos contained the files... what is wrong here?
[20:58] <DarthFrog> j2daosh:  Configure wpa_supplicant manually to get wifi working again.
[20:58] <j2daosh> i tried, it didn't work
[20:58] <j2daosh> it fails at the dhclient step
[20:58] <DarthFrog> That's likely an authentication issue.
[20:59] <j2daosh> well i have since restarted and now i dont have a wireless adapter according to my iwlist
[20:59] <j2daosh> all i have is the loopback when i do an ifconfig
[21:00] <j2daosh> ok, so now how to i get my adapters recognized by the system again?
[21:01] <j2daosh> i just tried ifup ath0;ifup wlan0; but it says it is ignoring unknown adapters ath0 and wlan0
[21:03] <obert> someone got experience with ddclient and dyndns.org?
[21:04] <j2daosh> vaguely
[21:04] <obert> !ping timezone ;)
[21:04] <j2daosh> y?
[21:04] <obert> it is asking to create a ddclient.conf but dunno where i should locate it
[21:04] <j2daosh> is ddclient the perl version?
[21:05] <obert> no idea
[21:05] <j2daosh> yep
[21:05] <j2daosh> ok hold on
[21:05] <obert> yes it is
[21:06] <obert> there's 'generate conf file by create ddclient.conf (and anyway i got a wizard via yakuake that will fails when i lauch ddclient from there)
[21:06] <obert> but it is weird that they dont had added a path where to save ddclient.conf
[21:06] <obert> it is like when you buy a hd and they forget to give you cables.
[21:06] <j2daosh> put it in /etc/
[21:06] <obert> mah
[21:06] <obert> ok thanks
[21:07] <j2daosh> here is  page
[21:07] <j2daosh> http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/using_ddclient_with_dyndns_services.html
[21:08] <obert> bah. locate ddclient.conf didnt returns /etc/ddclient.conf but now it says it is already exsists
[21:08] <obert> uhmf
[21:12] <obert> no way.
[21:13] <j2daosh> lol
[21:14] <obert> i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure ddclient then the wizard starts but when i arrive to chooce which domains i want to keep updates it'll returns 'host is empty or wrong username and pw, close this wizard and redo sudo dpkg-reconfigure ddclient
[21:14] <obert> same as before i had edit ddclient.conf
[21:14] <obert> and at last,i'm OT.
[21:15] <obert> WARNING:  file /etc/ddclient.conf: Cannot open file '/etc/ddclient.conf'.
[21:16] <j2daosh> whats the perms
[21:16] <j2daosh> ls -ltr /etc/ddclient
[21:17] <j2daosh> *
[21:18] <j2daosh> you can always just look at the page i posted eariler. you can copy one of those, paste it into your ddclient.conf, change the variables to whatever you need them changed to, save it, and then it should just work
[21:19] <BlackFox_Tr> hello
[21:20] <cableray> so, I maximized dolphin, logged out and then logged back in and dolphin was maximized , but past the nautilus bar and past the tilebar. how do I fix this?
[21:20] <BlackFox_Tr> i have some problem with python3 is there someone for help?
[21:21] <cableray> i'm not sure if my distro on the schools lab computers is fully kbuntu or not.
[21:22] <obert> j2daosh:  -rwxrwxrwx 1
[21:22] <obert> and btw i started from that page:P
[21:22] <obert> obert != lamer
[21:26] <obert> mah
[21:28] <obert> everytime i reopen the .conf file it'll be empty
[21:28] <j2daosh> sorry what
[21:28] <obert> eh.dont gettin anything usefull
[21:29] <j2daosh> hrmm
[21:29] <Xk2c> join #launchpad
[21:29] <j2daosh> well i cant troubleshoot it presently cuz my linux laptop doesn't have internet so i cant load up ddclient to check
[21:30] <obert> thanks the same
[21:32] <obert> weird anyway
[21:39] <noaXess> hey all
[21:40] <obert> hey you
[21:40] <noaXess> on my notbook, where i installed lucid, i have a touchpad, but i can't configure it in lucid's systemsettings.
[22:01] <judgen_> Could anyone direct me to how to display images in links2
[22:05] <bilo> prova
[22:11] <bilo> è la prima volta che usu questo come fa ccio per scaricare?
[22:11] <Tm_T> !it | bilo
[22:11] <bilo> grazie ,ci provo
[22:30] <fredyibs> ???
[22:33] <lo> Hi
[22:35] <ubsafder> hello
[23:05] <Apollonovich> has anyone else had problems with system stability since upgrading to the latest version?
[23:06] <Apollonovich> as in, I came into the office a week ago, to find my system slowed to a crawl, unuable.  I checked the vitals, to find nepomuk using 6G of RAM (11G virt, 6G res).
[23:06] <Apollonovich> I killed and disabled it.
[23:07] <Apollonovich> since then, I've found that after a few days of uptime, the system suddenly loses the ability to write to the disk, and I have to reboot (as in, the whole thing crashes).
[23:07] <Apollonovich> I'm assuming this is some HAL or dbus BS?
[23:07] <Apollonovich> wtf?
[23:18] <sunnydrake> Hi. Is there a way to convert 32bit Kubuntu to 64bit preserving system and app settings ?
[23:30] <avihay> help, I just accidently deleted a file, but it's still open in another program. how can I restore it?(it's a movie file, so no save-as option)
[23:47] <avihay> ok, Issue solved
[23:51] <zus> does anyone have a ppa for ktorrent 4.
[23:55] <avihay> http://www.finalcog.com/undelete-open-file-from-inode
[23:58] <corinth> Hi room. I just installed KDE through the kubuntu-desktop package from Ubuntu. I can't get compositing to be enabled...even though my gfx drivers are installed. Help?