[01:10] <arand> Seems like the metacity fix is being pushed finally, (wouldn't be to fun to have that in A1...)
[01:16] <gbillings> how to upgrade to 10.10 prealpha?
[01:18] <arand> gbillings: Don't know if do-release-upgrade -d   has been enabled, yet, otherwise, grab a daily build for freshinstall, or edit sources.list. disable PPAs, etc. and use aptitude.
[01:18] <gbillings> arand: gracias!
[01:19] <arand> !daily
[01:19] <gnomefreak> arand: ~A1
[01:19] <gnomefreak> normally
[01:19] <gbillings> arand: is there and update-manage flag that I could use to prevent the download of such large file?
[01:20] <arand> gnomefreak: The guided updates tends to get enabled around that time?
[01:20] <arand> gbillings: such large what?
[01:21] <gnomefreak> arand: yes normally right after but deends on how over booked mvo is
[01:21] <gbillings> what I mean is something like: $ update-manager -x ; a large iSO
[01:21] <arand> gbillings: You don't get an iso via update-manager -d (or do-release-upgrade)
[01:22] <gbillings> never mind i phrased incorectly my bad
[01:23]  * gnomefreak has to update my rsync/zsync srcipts if i ever find out other problem
[01:24] <gnomefreak> arand: any chance you know of an app/tool that will mount a drive that cant be mounted normally?
[01:24] <arand> gnomefreak: mounted *unnormally* in what way exactly? (I probably don't know..)
[01:26]  * gnomefreak thinking on how to put it
[01:26] <arand> I mean, you could use foresic tools to extract data, I guess..
[01:26] <gnomefreak> arand: it seems it is a currupt part./format and at best i can get the data or even format drive would be the best
[01:27]  * gnomefreak doesnt have 3billon dollar microscope
[01:28]  * arand has used photorec with some success on corrupted filesystems.
[01:28] <gnomefreak> arand: on Linux?
[01:28] <arand> Indeed.
[01:28] <gnomefreak> testdisk :)
[01:29] <gnomefreak> at least that is what a search for photorec showed from our repos
[01:29] <arand> I've head that sleuth-toolkit is supposed to be something similar as well...
[01:30] <arand> gnomefreak: Yep, that's the one, testdisk is a partition table recovery utility/rewriter
[01:30] <gnomefreak> all this for a damn USB stick well 2 of them
[01:30] <arand> One of a couple of apps from cgsecurity
[01:30]  * gnomefreak hopes for GUI i dont want to think anymore today
[01:31] <arand> photorec is ncurses, but it's fairly straightforward.
[01:32] <gnomefreak> ncurses is fine as long as i dont have to think ;)
[01:32] <arand> It will make a terrible organisatory mess of the files it recovers though, but that's unavoidable I guess, since it doesn't recover directory structures, afaik
[01:33]  * gnomefreak doesnt care if it splits all text files into 15 piences as long as the stick becomes useful again
[01:33] <arand> gnomefreak: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step has a nice guide...
[01:34] <gnomefreak> arand: thanks
[01:34] <arand> gnomefreak: but for the stick to become useful again...? That's just a reformat isn't it?
[01:35] <gnomefreak> arand: yeah if i cant get data back but i think something just happened that hasnt happened in days be back in a few
[01:36]  * arand is slightly compfused by that sentance
[01:38] <gnomefreak> arand: one of the drives mounted but not the one i had hoped for
[01:41]  * gnomefreak wonder what changed. be back in a few see if i cant get other one to work
[01:42] <arand> I've had issues with usb stick suddenly not mounting and seemingly loosing partition tabe or something, but I figured it was because it was old a worn...
[01:42] <gnomefreak> this one is the one with the data on it and its the one not working and my luck continues
[01:43] <gnomefreak> arand: it seems that the usb stick has to be mounted for testdisk to work it seems
[01:44] <arand> Um, no, it needs a device sdX though.
[01:46] <gnomefreak> yeah see that now. just have to remember what it "should" be, but hell im looking
[01:47] <gnomefreak> this i have it :)
[01:47] <gnomefreak> think
[01:47] <arand> dmesg would show what it turns up as presumably
[01:52]  * gnomefreak would have thought it was sdd1 but seems im wrong
[01:53] <gnomefreak> Unable to open file or device /dev/sdd with or without the 1 at the end
[01:55] <gnomefreak> EXT3 FS on sdd1, internal journal  it is on sdd1
[01:55] <arand> guess: sudo?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> arand: not even sure if it is sdd1 now dmesg is showing sdd1 and sdb1 as removable drives
[01:59] <gnomefreak> sda and sdb are hard disks so sdc or sdd would be right
[01:59] <arand> testdisk works on drives, not partitions ( since it's a partition table recovery tool) photorec works on either, I think, or just on a dd-copy
[02:02] <gnomefreak> dmesgt is still showing the lexar that i dont have plugged in
[02:03] <gnomefreak> error -110 is popular from dmesg :)
[02:05] <mininessie> i upgraded to ubuntu 10.10 now i don't have my minimize maximize close buttons
[02:05] <arand> mininessie: Whole window decorations gone?
[02:06] <mininessie> yes all i have is the menus like file edir view etc
[02:06] <gnomefreak> mininessie: disable compiz
[02:06] <gnomefreak> see if that helps (it should)
[02:06] <gnomefreak> be back smoke and think
[02:07] <mininessie> gnomefreak: i don't have compiz i don't think
[02:07] <arand> gnomefreak: mininessie Actually enabling compiz is what might work...
[02:07] <mininessie> arand: i tried it didn't work
[02:07] <arand> mininessie: Is the whole window border gone, and this happens when you start firefox?
[02:09] <mininessie> arand: it affects all my windows
[02:10] <mininessie> arand: yes
[02:10] <arand> mininessie: than install metaciy metacity-common and libmetacity-private0 from https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/sandbox/+packages
[02:11] <arand> mininessie: This should get updated soon, but it's the same fix as will be pushed through the normal updates I think
[02:12] <gnomefreak> there was a bug on compiz causing that problem at least a few weeks ago
[02:12] <gnomefreak> maybe light-themes?
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ok 100% sure it is sdd
[02:12] <arand> Um, maybe no.
[02:13] <arand> Bug #584287
[02:13] <gnomefreak> sda sda are both hard disks sdc IIRC is usb mouse
[02:13] <gnomefreak> i dont think that is the bug he is seeing
[02:13] <arand> Do you have a sdX device name for your mouse? freaky...
[02:14] <arand> I think it is
[02:14] <gnomefreak> atnot sure
[02:14] <gnomefreak> arand: not sure evenm
[02:15] <gnomefreak> sifting through dmesg is not fun or fast
[02:15] <arand> And "nessie" might be a she, even.
[02:15] <gnomefreak> [    0.373923] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input2
[02:15] <arand> gnomefreak: grep sd
[02:15] <arand> with some -C# I guess
[02:16] <mininessie> arand: okay i installed them now what
[02:16] <gnomefreak> [    6.671451] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
[02:16] <gnomefreak> than what is sdd
[02:16] <arand> mininessie: Either relogin, or run metacity --replace &disown in a treminal
[02:16] <arand> s/treminal/terminal/
[02:17] <gnomefreak> thats why fta has been busy
[02:17] <mininessie> arand: thanks for the fix
[02:17] <arand> mininessie: worked well?
[02:18] <mininessie> arand: yes
[02:18] <gnomefreak> [ 1878.905976] EXT3 FS on sdd1, internal journal tells me it is sdd1 for usb stick. no doubt in my mind
[02:18] <arand> gnomefreak: THe fix was posted a while ago, no one sponsored it 'till now :(
[02:19] <gnomefreak> and i still cant get testdisk running using a /dev/*
[02:19]  * gnomefreak goes to look at bug report
[02:19] <mininessie> what will be changed visually in ubuntu 10.10 without upgrading to gnome 3 or gnome shell
[02:20] <arand> mininessie: Windicators, seems to be a main thing, maybe new ubuntu font
[02:20] <mininessie> arand: okay
[02:20]  * gnomefreak tried 10.10 to get usb stick working and fiesty/karmic/lucid and maverick and win. atm on Lucid for this try again
[02:21] <gnomefreak> that explains why i didnt get a GUI :)
[02:22] <gnomefreak> arand: yes i remember that bug
[02:22] <arand> And the Client-Side-Decorations (enabling windicators) is what made this bug in metacity crop up :D
[02:23]  * gnomefreak misses the days when i was able to log in once in LP
[02:24] <mininessie> i bet conanical is already working on 11.04
[02:24] <gnomefreak> mininessie: give us some time we just got out of gates for 10.10
[02:25] <gnomefreak> we(them) havent picked a name yet
[02:25] <mininessie> gnomefreak: well how can they have an alpha already
[02:25] <arand> mininessie: It's planned, but all work goes into 10.10 atm.
[02:25] <arand> mininessie: There's no alpha for 11.04 ...
[02:26] <mininessie> arand: okay will 10.10 have a dock
[02:26] <gnomefreak> arand: what do you make of this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/443068/
[02:26] <arand> mininessie: I would guess not
[02:26] <gnomefreak> not likely
[02:26] <gnomefreak> UDS just finished a couple of weeks ago so there is nothing set in stone yet
[02:26] <arand> mininessie: ubuntu unity will have a sidebar though, and a pretty different, mutter/clutter-something interface
[02:27] <mininessie> arand: well the global menu is like mac
[02:27] <arand> I'm not completely sure if unity is supposed to replace netbook edition or whatever
[02:28] <gnomefreak> oh you have got to be kidding me with unity :(
[02:28] <arand> Yea, but grobal menu is only happening on unity (NBE) I think
[02:28] <arand> gnomefreak: Whatso?
[02:28] <arand> *unity, (and NBE?)
[02:28] <gnomefreak> IIRC Unity is Ubuntu+-M$
[02:29] <gnomefreak> but reading
[02:29] <arand> gnomefreak: Well unity isn't ubuntu light (which is supposed to use unity) is
[02:29] <arand> *isn't,
[02:30] <arand> "A dual-boot in every home"
[02:31] <arand> I don't really think the idea is that bad per see, since it's what everyone does the first time they get onto ubuntu anyways, I would guess
[02:31]  * gnomefreak didnt but yes i see what you mean
[02:34] <arand> And possibly a way to sneak into the resellers market... it makes bucketloads of sense from canonicals point of view, whether or not it's FSF or Boycottnovell, or loathe-M$ -friendly, that's a whole nother matter.. and likely something which canonical doesn't care too much about.
[02:37] <mininessie> arand: can i get the new gnome main menu without upgrading to gnome shell or gnome 3
[02:38] <gnomefreak> i dont think so but havent tried
[02:38] <mininessie> okay
[02:39]  * gnomefreak thinks PhotoRec is great in theory but it still only is useful for hard disks but still playing with it
[02:44] <gnomefreak> doesnt gnome-shell give you an option on to load gnoem or gnome-shell from login screen
[03:15] <mininessie> punch me
[03:23] <bukayoo> flash crashing on chromium..any idea? fresh install
[03:31] <Volkodav> very early marriage
[06:31] <knittl> #584287
[06:31] <knittl> bug #584287
[06:31] <knittl> This bug was fixed in the package metacity - 1:2.30.1-1ubuntu2
[06:32] <knittl> dupondje:
[06:32] <dupondje> I know :)
[06:33] <knittl> ah, you're still awake :>
[06:34] <knittl> ah, you commented with the diff and gtk+ assumption
[06:37] <knittl> dupondje: but the new packages haven't made it to the repos yet?
[06:51] <dupondje> there is always some delay :(
[07:21] <dupondje> now I gonne look to fix my other system :s
[07:22] <dupondje> since I replaced cpu, it segfaults @ random :s
[07:22] <dupondje> I have no idea :s
[07:28] <DanaG> memtest?
[07:31] <dupondje> did that, works fine :s
[07:32] <DanaG> hmm.
[07:32] <DanaG> WEird.
[09:09] <dupondje> DanaG: http://dupondje.be/DSCF1025.JPG :P
[09:10] <DanaG> Hardware name: Syatem Product Name.
[09:10] <DanaG> er
[09:10] <DanaG> System Product Name.
[09:10] <DanaG> Nice.
[09:11] <dupondje> :P
[09:12] <DanaG> Sounds similar to the "To Be Filled By O.E.M. To Be Filled By O.E.M."
[09:12] <BUGabundo_remote> tear your eyes out :O
[09:12] <BUGabundo_remote> ohh I got LOADs of those messages in my BIOS
[09:14] <DanaG> most awesome thing on my laptop: serial-over-lan.
[09:14] <DanaG> Handy for grabbing full stacktraces.
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45625
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone else can reproduce with chromium dialy?
[13:22] <gnomefreak> mvo: have you enabled -d in update-manager yet?
[13:23] <mvo> gnomefreak: yes, but it will only work if the user sets "release-upgrades" to "normal" in /etc/update-manager/ release-upgrades
[13:23] <gnomefreak> mvo: thanks
[13:27] <mvo> np
[13:33] <gnomefreak> mvo: i dont see a way of changing the settings for "normal" i am guessing just removing the #'s at "normal"
[13:36] <gnomefreak> mvo: here is what i am seeing http://paste.ubuntu.com/443302/
[13:38] <mvo> gnomefreak: there is a gui for it in software-properties-gtk (that is installed by default)
[13:39] <gnomefreak> mvo: thanks
[13:39] <mvo> gnomefreak: under "update" and release upgrades
[13:39] <dupondje> update-manager -d works since some time? I did upgrade from lucid to maverick with it already :)
[13:57] <gnomefreak> mine was set to LTS and really shouldnt have been IMO since this box is Lucid
[13:59] <yofel> erm, lucid is lts?
[14:00] <yofel> and lts->lts upgrades are the default there
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> LOL
[14:00] <yofel> ok, got the kde mess sorted out on my other pc, guess I'll upgrade this later
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> come one gnomefreak.... what a fail :)
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> wei
[14:03]  * gnomefreak wonders why i cant launch anything from "Favorites" wonders why they are there 
[14:16]  * gnomefreak gets the feeling gnome3 will not make it in 10.10
[14:20] <gnomefreak> ok off for a bit.
[15:31] <jmfthevci> Just upgraded 10.04 > 10.10. Module recompiles fail as /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.34-5-generic/includes/linux has incomplete contents. autoconf.h is missing and version.h does not appear correct.  Anyone else seen this?
[15:32] <jmfthevci> Upgrade was othewise OK. No issues. Running on VMware. Re-comple of VMware Tools is failing because of this issue.
[15:33] <jmfthevci> Is this worth a bug report or not?
[15:41] <jmfthevci> Sorted. autoconf.h and utsrelease have been moved to includes/generated. This will mess up VMware and their tools scripts (vmware-config.pl)
[15:44] <jmfthevci> (bit of a one-sided conversation that...)
[15:45] <yofel> heh
[15:45] <yofel> would be a bug in vmware then IMHO
[15:46] <jmfthevci> Yup, a bug in vmware but only because the kernel team moved the file? Why? Found the comment in here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc
[15:47] <jmfthevci> This move might impact various "stand-alone" items that need post-install compilation. Not just VMware
[15:50] <yofel> jmfthevci: well, I'm not sure if they did it or the upstream kernel devs did the change, but you can find the kernel team in #ubuntu-kernel if you want to ask them
[15:50] <jmfthevci> I'll go ask.
[16:03] <patdk-wk> hmm, my vmware just downloaded new tools for linux
[16:05] <bukayoo> upgraded libgtk2.0-0 didn't fix the flash crashing in chrome..had to downgrade to lucid version to work
[16:13] <jmfthevci> patdk-wk: This is VMware vSphere 4.0 (update1) and all current patches. Says that VMware tools is uptodate for this VM.
[16:14] <patdk-wk> this was vmware workstations
[16:14] <patdk-wk> I could check my vshphere
[16:14] <patdk-wk> well, esx
[16:15] <jmfthevci> patdk-wk: I got round the issue. I'm sure someone in VMware will find out soon enough.
[16:15] <patdk-wk> ya, they normally do, a few weeks after I run into it :)
[16:16] <jmfthevci> My ESX patch is to 27-May-2010 ESXi400-2010050402-BG Updates VMware Tools.
[16:17] <jmfthevci> I just thought, as I have the VM handy, that I'd try the upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10. It worked fine, no issues.
[16:17] <jmfthevci> (except the subsequent VMware module recompiles)
[16:22] <patdk-wk> hmm, this vmwar eworkstation tools update is under 2weeks old
[16:39] <yofel> hm, apport doesn't correctly parse the .crash info anymore. I uses the old package version instead of the new one in the 'Package:' field, even though the .crash fine has the correct one
[16:40] <dp_> I can't install pidgin under maverick because it depends (at some level) on both gstreamer-plugins-bad and gstream-plugins-good, which can't be installed together
[16:40] <dp_> granted, I'm using the maverick ppa for pidgin, but still
[16:42] <yofel> gstreamer-plugins is broken here too
[16:44] <dp_> ok, so it's not just me?
[16:45] <yofel> nope, if I try to update good it wants to remove -bad
[16:45] <dp_> ok.  where would I go to look for a bug report?
[16:47] <yofel> gst-plugins-good0.10 or gst-plugins-bad0.10 on LP, I'll look myself later once I'm finished upgrading
[16:47] <Ian_Corne> any idea when ppa's will support changelogs?
[16:48] <jpds> Ian_Corne: #launchpad.
[16:48] <yofel> Ian_Corne: you mean in aptitude or on LP?
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> thanks :)
[16:49] <Ian_Corne> i mean in update-manager, so I guess in aptitude?
[16:49] <yofel> oh, UM
[16:49] <yofel> mvo_: ^
[16:49] <jpds> That would be considerably harder.
[16:51] <yofel> ok, upgrade finished... brb
[16:53]  * patdk-wk wonders
[16:53] <patdk-wk> using flashcache on linux, inside vmware
[19:32] <shishire> Alpha 1 is still scheduled for tomorrow?  Will there be an iso?
[19:39] <arand> shishire: presumably (there are already !untested! daily isos...)
[19:39] <shishire> arand, where would I go to get one of these isos?
[19:40] <arand> !daily
[19:40] <shishire> ah, ty
[19:40] <shishire> inc vm install :D  good to be back on the bug hunt
[19:41] <arand> But the A1 iso will probably be *somewhat* more tested, and then again, what is currently the daily, will likely become the A1 iso if no major _major_ issues warrants a resping...
[19:42] <arand> shishire: Indeed, stable is boooring!
[19:42] <shishire> :D
[19:42] <shishire> arand, will I get the A1 from the cdimage.ubunut.com site?  or somewhere else?
[19:43] <shishire> s/ubunut/ubuntu/
[19:43] <arand> I think it will crop up under releases.ubuntu.com, sometime tomorrow when it's done
[19:43] <shishire> oh goodie :D
[19:44] <arand> But one could always use zsync to just download the delta (if any) if you already have an iso.
[19:45]  * arand wonders how much of a delta lucid-maverick liveCD would be...
[19:47] <stenten> arand: About 1/3 of the ISO differs :)
[19:53] <arand> Heh "Target 54.6% complete." that's way more than I expected.
[19:54] <stenten> heh, guess they changed even more of it yesterday.
[23:23] <BUGabundo> evening everyone
[23:32] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, howdy
[23:33] <BUGabundo> hey hey bil
[23:35] <hggdh> yo BUGabundo
[23:36] <BUGabundo> olá hggdh
[23:36] <billybigrigger> whats new in +1
[23:37] <BUGabundo> breakage
[23:51] <arand> billybigrigger: Both rhythmbox and metacity was fixed :)
[23:52] <BUGabundo> on nice
[23:52] <BUGabundo> but desktop couch still hasn't
[23:52] <BUGabundo> and I need to upstream another kmail bug
[23:52] <BUGabundo> and no action on my chromium bug :\
[23:52] <BUGabundo> anyone seen crimsun?
[23:56] <timboy> sometimes when I boot my laptop i don't have the option to suspend. What can I check to see why that would be happening?
[23:56] <yofel> oh nice, someone broke ffmpeg *-.- /usr/bin/mplayer: relocation error: /usr/bin/mplayer: symbol codec_wav_tags, version LIBAVFORMAT_52 not defined in file libavformat.so.52 with link time reference
[23:57] <arand> BUGabundo: When you login on a VT, you get an error with apt and python, could that be related to the "dtcouch thing" and implying that the bug is in python rather?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> don't think so