| kwwii | Cimi: hrm? | 00:04 |
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| kwwii | zniavre: that does not show me the problem | 00:05 |
| kwwii | anyway, time for sleep | 00:05 |
| kwwii | night all | 00:05 |
| coz_ | is the ubuntu logo on lucid going to change?? please say yes :) | 00:26 |
| coz_ | I mean for maverick? | 00:27 |
| dashua | vish, You have the source .svgs for the button troughs? | 03:34 |
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| directhex | is there a copy of the slides from http://video.ubuntu.com/uds/maverick/UDS-M-Making-Beautiful-Fonts-high.ogv anywhere? a video saying "look at this awesome font" which doesn't show the screen is kinda pointless | 12:58 |
| thorwil | directhex: so far it doesn't look like the slides are available. we could of course pester iainfarrell, but i asked him twice already ;) | 13:05 |
| directhex | don't worry about it. | 13:05 |
| knome | i'm sure iainfarrell is also *very* busy ;) | 13:10 |
| iainfarrell | Hi directhex yes they are | 13:51 |
| iainfarrell | Dalton Maag put them on their website | 13:51 |
| iainfarrell | hang on | 13:51 |
| iainfarrell | http://www.daltonmaag.com/docs/FontDevelopment.pdf | 13:52 |
| directhex | iainfarrell, oh, handy! | 14:41 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: indeed | 14:41 |
| iainfarrell | glad you're finding it interesting | 14:41 |
| iainfarrell | take any questions you have to the blog so we can chat about it :) | 14:41 |
| directhex | iainfarrell, i don't have much of an eye for design, so it's always interesting to see how subtle the differences in the design process for things can get | 14:42 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: it's a very complex process that's for sure | 14:43 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: glad to see people are interested :) | 14:43 |
| directhex | iainfarrell, i read somewhere that it's possible to get ahold of vector images of words rendered with the current in-progress font, for use on web pages e.g. loco sites. is that the case? | 14:48 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: yes the guidelines and logo assets are on the design team blog in the toolkits section | 14:48 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ | 14:49 |
| directhex | iainfarrell, yeah, one thing i wasn't clear on with those - there's no mention of aubergine in there, which confuses things somewhat given the "white and orange" example on page 7 has different colourization to the logo used in the boot screen in lucid | 14:52 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: there's more to come in terms of colour | 14:54 |
| iainfarrell | we have to explain in more detail where we see colours being used | 14:54 |
| iainfarrell | but Aubergine is generally to be used sparingly where Ubuntu is concerned | 14:54 |
| iainfarrell | so we use it in the boot to take the edge off the black for example | 14:54 |
| iainfarrell | but not in many other places | 14:55 |
| iainfarrell | Canonical leads much more with Aubergine but doesn't use Orange as much | 14:55 |
| iainfarrell | because that's Ubuntu's primary colour | 14:55 |
| directhex | ETA? it makes it difficult to design web content relevant to lucid when neither lucid's colourization nor font are formalized clearly | 14:55 |
| iainfarrell | The font will come with the next release in the first instance, we're planning a public beta but more on that soon - I don't have dates yet | 14:56 |
| iainfarrell | If I were you I'd look at the new websites for guidance | 14:56 |
| iainfarrell | and we'll publish guides as soon as we can | 14:56 |
| iainfarrell | we have a list | 14:56 |
| iainfarrell | we're working through it | 14:56 |
| iainfarrell | I'll see if we can find a way of sharing the tasks ahead | 14:56 |
| iainfarrell | so you guys know what you're getting and when | 14:57 |
| directhex | I'll keep using Xenu for now, then. it's good enough to fool the casual observer. | 15:01 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: is that a free font? | 15:04 |
| directhex | iainfarrell, it's $30 of font | 15:05 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: I'd wait if I were you | 15:06 |
| iainfarrell | look at the CSS on the website | 15:06 |
| iainfarrell | for the fonts we've chosen that go well with the Ubuntu font | 15:06 |
| iainfarrell | and maybe update later | 15:06 |
| directhex | iainfarrell, that's not a bad idea as far as content goes, but there are limited options for Ubuntu-looking title fonts. Other than the old font, of course. | 15:11 |
| iainfarrell | yeah, I would advise against using the old font | 15:12 |
| iainfarrell | but using other fonts isn't necessarily bad | 15:12 |
| iainfarrell | the ubuntu font is our word mark and logo | 15:12 |
| iainfarrell | so don't feel like you have to slavishly conform | 15:13 |
| iainfarrell | if your website is about Ubuntu use the logo | 15:13 |
| iainfarrell | but it's also your website | 15:13 |
| iainfarrell | your project | 15:13 |
| directhex | "look at the css" - you know there are 27 stylesheets on ubuntu.com, right? ;) | 15:17 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: ok, that might not have been the most straight forward one :) | 15:18 |
| directhex | aha, yay for web developer toolbar | 15:18 |
| directhex | hm. "ubuntu beta", vera, dejavu. think that's what i already had in mind | 15:19 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: great minds | 15:20 |
| coz_ | hey guys | 15:26 |
| coz_ | so who is doing what for maverick? | 15:26 |
| coz_ | or is most of it left up to the "official" art team? | 15:27 |
| directhex | iainfarrell, i like making things look like other things, as far as the technology permits anyway, hence http://imgur.com/AHlSI | 15:50 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: right, is that an updated login screen? | 15:51 |
| directhex | iainfarrell, no, it's grub | 15:51 |
| iainfarrell | wow | 15:52 |
| iainfarrell | I didn't recognise it :) | 15:52 |
| directhex | i wish that anti-aliased font patch would make it into grub though ¬_¬ | 15:52 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: all in good time I'm sure | 15:57 |
| iainfarrell | that's an interesting one though | 15:57 |
| iainfarrell | because it makes grub look like a login | 15:57 |
| iainfarrell | which might be confusing to users who think it's a login screen if the machine has been set up for them | 15:58 |
| coz_ | is this red circle with cutout ubuntu symbol also going to be in marverick?? | 15:58 |
| iainfarrell | that almost doesn't matter compared to the fact that I use it every day and casually looking at it thought it was the login screen so might confuse the non hardcore user even more | 15:59 |
| directhex | or it might do the reverse, by making grub feel like something they're already familiar with, rather than something scary and "DOS-like". i dunno, i don't conduct user studies. i just do things for fun. | 15:59 |
| iainfarrell | the Ubuntu logo in the orange circle _is_ the finalised logo now | 15:59 |
| iainfarrell | so it will be in Maverick in some form, yes | 16:00 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, oh thats a shame... I think it looks like a bad design decision | 16:00 |
| directhex | that and i found it rather easier to shoehorn a grub boot list into GDM's style than trying to do something with the plymouth style. | 16:00 |
| iainfarrell | coz_: if you look in the guidelines the circle of friends can be used without it | 16:00 |
| iainfarrell | but in the Ubuntu word mark | 16:01 |
| iainfarrell | and in most cases | 16:01 |
| iainfarrell | it will be in the circle | 16:01 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, understood... but still a poor design.... how much "influence" do the "community" art team have with "official" art team? | 16:02 |
| iainfarrell | coz_: what makes you say it's a poor design, can you give me a scenario where it doesn't work? | 16:04 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, its a circle... first off... and a white cut out of the logo... looks as if it was done as a last minute design in a hurry | 16:04 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, it doesnt work well because it is first seen as a circle not the ubuntu logo... depending on your gestault view I suppose | 16:05 |
| iainfarrell | Sounds more like you don't like it coz_ more than it's a bad design | 16:07 |
| iainfarrell | I don't look at it and see just a circle | 16:07 |
| iainfarrell | it's an evolution of the circle of friends | 16:07 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, well that;s one explanation.. but no.. it is a bad design... far to simplistic but not minimalistic | 16:07 |
| iainfarrell | and I assure you it wasn't quick or last minute | 16:07 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, I believe it was not last minute | 16:08 |
| iainfarrell | coz_: I think we'll have to agree to disagree :) | 16:09 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, but after 6 years of ubuntu... and all of the available ..more interesting designs.. just online... this one is tooo simplisitc and yes I suppose there is nothing to do but agree to disagree :) | 16:10 |
| iainfarrell | We worked hard to make something that was simple but didn't leave the good things like the idea of the circle of friends behind | 16:10 |
| directhex | coz_, some art decisions are good, some are bad. i don't see the CoF refresh as bad | 16:11 |
| iainfarrell | and you're welcome to play with it and throw ideas around | 16:11 |
| coz_ | directhex understood | 16:11 |
| iainfarrell | which is the great thing about this project of ours | 16:11 |
| iainfarrell | plus we couldn't throw out the COF when so many people have tattoos of it :D | 16:11 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, yes but again ...how much influence does the "community art team" have on the "official art team" ? | 16:11 |
| directhex | coz_, when all's said & done, it's the old CoF in monochrome. | 16:12 |
| coz_ | directhex, yes exactly... | 16:12 |
| iainfarrell | coz_: I think if your contributions are in line with the work we're doing on maverick - see design blueprints, or are an interesting idea | 16:13 |
| coz_ | here let me whip up a "minimalistic" one instead of just simple hold on | 16:13 |
| iainfarrell | then you can have a lot of influence | 16:13 |
| iainfarrell | we really welcome input | 16:13 |
| iainfarrell | but we're a young team, and we have a remit to get certain foundations set before we start to expand it out | 16:13 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, cool :) | 16:13 |
| iainfarrell | but we're also a small team | 16:14 |
| directhex | the new CoF is easier to gently parody than the old one was, anyway. hence http://i.imgur.com/auhrX.png | 16:14 |
| coz_ | let me finishe this one in inkscape hold on | 16:14 |
| coz_ | ok rushed and very minimalistic http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UBUNTU/logo-coz.svg | 16:15 |
| coz_ | not that I prefer that one... but there are alternatives to two colours... or cut outs ... and certainly "white" logos :) | 16:16 |
| iainfarrell | there are | 16:16 |
| iainfarrell | and we explored them :) | 16:16 |
| iainfarrell | this mark has to work online, on the desktop, in print all over | 16:16 |
| iainfarrell | and we wanted something that wouldn't suffer when translated | 16:16 |
| iainfarrell | so the example you have here | 16:17 |
| iainfarrell | might work well on screen | 16:17 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, understood... did the original logo suffer on these? | 16:17 |
| iainfarrell | but not in black and white | 16:17 |
| iainfarrell | yeah, a bit actually. not easy to reproduce in black and white for example | 16:17 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, because of the values | 16:17 |
| coz_ | understood | 16:17 |
| directhex | better in pure mono than in varying qualities of greyscale | 16:17 |
| coz_ | and the font? has that been "officialized" | 16:18 |
| iainfarrell | directhex: exactly which is something we did initially and community had come around to in some custom themes too | 16:18 |
| directhex | coz_, it's not final | 16:18 |
| iainfarrell | coz_: I'm not sure what "officialized" means :) | 16:18 |
| directhex | coz_, i.e. iainfarrell won't give me a .ttf | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | the logo type is and I have a close to final font which we're going to be sharing soon | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | but it's not all finished | 16:19 |
| directhex | coz_, the *design* of the font is final, but not the actual implementation | 16:19 |
| coz_ | directhex, ah I was about to ask for an example :) | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | exactly | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | so the guys working on the font are close to having a full latin type set | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | once we have that we'll do some internal testing | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | and then open a public beta | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | but we've not worked out the details yet | 16:19 |
| coz_ | very cool .. look forward to the font | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | but it's coming your way soon | 16:19 |
| iainfarrell | yeah | 16:20 |
| iainfarrell | it's lovely | 16:20 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, all the more reason to make the logo "lovely: :) | 16:21 |
| iainfarrell | well it does make the logo lovely | 16:21 |
| iainfarrell | that's the one that's everywhere now | 16:21 |
| coz_ | :) ok we can disagree with no bad feelings :) | 16:21 |
| iainfarrell | coz_: course we can :) I think we made a great logo and have a foundation for some fabulous work | 16:22 |
| coz_ | has anyone worked on "case" badges? the origianl one submitted a few years back is still nice in my opinion | 16:22 |
| iainfarrell | and we want people to contribute and have conversations like this | 16:22 |
| iainfarrell | coz_: case badge? forgive my ignorance :) | 16:23 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, let me upload the origianl hold on | 16:23 |
| iainfarrell | k | 16:23 |
| coz_ | have to find it hold on | 16:24 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UBUNTU/00.svg | 16:25 |
| iainfarrell | ahh ok | 16:29 |
| iainfarrell | so where was that used? | 16:30 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, well it was supposed to be used for companies making ubuntu systems so that it would be tagged with that case stickerr | 16:30 |
| iainfarrell | coz_: I see | 16:33 |
| iainfarrell | There are new stickers in development but they're being done as part of our work with our marketing and OEM team | 16:34 |
| iainfarrell | so I'm not sure we'd share them because we're trying to validate that things work with Ubuntu | 16:34 |
| iainfarrell | as opposed to people just being able to add their own stickers | 16:34 |
| iainfarrell | otherwise it's like the wild west out there :) | 16:34 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, understood... this one was made by a fellow several years ago I just edited it for him... but is it possible to join the marketing team? | 16:35 |
| iainfarrell | I was talking about the in house team, I don't know how we handle marketing with the community actually | 16:36 |
| iainfarrell | I think there is a team | 16:36 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, mm too bad we cant get into the "house" team | 16:37 |
| iainfarrell | well they're Canonical employees but I imagine they have the same remit as us to engage with the community | 16:39 |
| iainfarrell | but I'm not sure who you'd talk to :s | 16:39 |
| coz_ | iainfarrell, understood... just wondering why they pick who they pick as employees... rather background in the field etc etc :) | 16:40 |
| iainfarrell | yeah, sorry as a project Manager in the design team I'm not the person to ask but have a look on the Ubuntu wiki | 16:41 |
| iainfarrell | Ihave to run I'm afraid | 16:41 |
| iainfarrell | good chatting though | 16:41 |
| iainfarrell | catch you later | 16:42 |
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