[00:02] <Riiiis> from "lspci" i get (copied by hand): IDE Interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller
[00:02] <Riiiis> that doesnt seem like a special piece of hardware at all
[00:03] <Riiiis> and i can fdisk /dev/sda too... weird
[00:04] <bobo123> if you run Gparted from the livecd, is it there then? (I don't remember if it is on the cd or if you have to get the package but it ends up in System-Administartion menu)
[00:04] <Riiiis> bobo123, yeah it is
[00:05] <Riiiis> btw should i install LTS version or regular ? whats the differences ?
[00:06] <bobo123> LTS means that you don't have to worry about installing a new version of ubuntu so soon
[00:07] <Riiiis> bobo123, ok, is there any drwabacks ? for experienced users .. ?
[00:07] <collinp> LTS stands for Long Term Support - means that the release will get updates for a longer period of time than a normal release.
[00:07] <collinp> LTS releases are also not changed as much as normal releases.
[00:08] <bobo123> a LTS version (like ubuntu10.04) is supported in 5 years I think, but a normal is forgotten after one... or something... don't remember the correct numbers
[00:08] <Riiiis> ok
[00:09] <bobo123> right now 10.04 is the best anyway, but if you had asked later this year when ubuntu10.10 is released "it would depend" so to speak :-)
[00:10] <bobo123> hmm.. was that "perfect futurum" gramatically?
[00:10] <collinp> No release is "better" than another. Some include new features, some make changes, etc.
[00:11] <collinp> LTS releases are more often used in commercial applications due to their longer supported status.
[00:12] <bobo123> anyway when you tried to install it, did you do it from the first menu "install ubuntu" or from the livecd desktop?
[00:12] <Riiiis> i tried from the install ubuntu menu
[00:14] <phillw> jokus: you might want to have a look at Section 2 of http://www.matthewjmiller.net/howtos/dual-boot-linux-and-windows/ that details how to tweak boot.ini with XP
[00:16] <bobo123> Riiiis:  you could perhaps try the other way I guess...  it seems noone here have a good answer right now why the installer don't find your disk....  or ask at #ubuntu allso
[00:16] <Riiiis> i tried #ubuntu first.. but they are REALLY busy over there :-)
[00:17] <Riiiis> yeah ill try that
[00:17] <bobo123> Riiiis: only thing I can think of is that you disk is not partitioned normally, but instead is like a floppy disk (only one filesystem but not partitioned sort of), but that is not normal...
[00:18] <Riiiis> i can remove all partitions from gparted and try again
[00:18] <bobo123> Riiiis: yeah I know, #ubuntu is hard to use with all people coming and going.
[00:18] <bobo123> yeah try that
[00:18] <Riiiis> but thanks anyway :-)
[00:19] <bobo123> Now, what was it i was about to ask....
[00:22] <jokus> phillw : Actually I did try something like that on my machine , but doesn't seem to work.
[00:25] <jokus> Have put up a query on the ubuntu forums as well - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498814 , if anyone wants to have a look. :)
[00:25] <phillw> it's a very long time since i went anywhere near boot.ini (like win98) - one of the problems is that win can not 'see' ext3 (without tools) and pretty much baffled with ext4. I think the idea of putting a bin file on may actually work for you.
[00:26] <phillw> jokus: you could always just put grub on, and get it to default to Win if no key pressed in 10 seconds, instead of defaulting to Ubuntu?
[00:31] <bobo123> I think boot.ini is in win2000 and later though...
[00:32] <jokus> thanks folks
[00:34] <bobo123> what is most 'hardware-near' of alsa and oss?
[00:35] <bobo123> like least amount of indirection between me and my soundblaster live soundcard?
[00:38] <funkyHat> bobo123: they are probably roughly equivalent in that regard
[00:39] <holstein> bobo123: what are you trying to do?
[00:40] <holstein> check out http://jackaudio.org/
[00:40] <bobo123> well I was just thinking....
[00:40] <holstein> if your interested in low latency pro-audio
[00:41] <bobo123> I was trying to use pasuspender the other day to save some cpu% for my videoplaying but then alsa didn't seem to work, but oss did
[00:41] <holstein> gotcha
[00:41] <holstein> qjackctl is the gui for JACK that i use
[00:41] <holstein> when its launched
[00:41] <holstein> PA is suspended
[00:41] <bobo123> jack is even more further away from the hardware "a.k.a. smarter" than pulseaudio, right?
[00:43] <holstein> hmm
[00:43] <holstein> i guess it depends on how you look at it
[00:43] <holstein> if your wanting to listen to web content
[00:43] <holstein> and have a 'normal' desktop experience
[00:43] <holstein> JACK is probably not there yet
[00:43] <holstein> theres some guys working on it
[00:44] <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
[00:44] <holstein> this is a KDE distro being developed
[00:44] <holstein> the idea is that JACK starts at login
[00:45] <bobo123> I guess no alsa is running by default on my ubuntuinstallation, it is just pulseaudio that accepts alsa-commands too from the programs, but oss is really running? (since oss works when pulseadio is off)
[00:45] <holstein> and all pulse audio is routed through JACK
[00:45] <holstein> BUT its still rough around the edges
[00:45] <holstein> bobo123: good question
[00:46] <holstein> AFAIK oss is running
[00:46] <holstein> but im not sure
[00:47]  * bobo123 longs back to the dos-days when all soundcards were soundblasters and all software talked directly to the soundcard without any drivers or middleman...
[01:34] <mininessie> i upgraded to ubuntu 10.10 now i don't have my minimize maximize close buttons
[01:36] <holstein> try #ubuntu+1
[01:36] <holstein> you could look in gconf-editor
[02:12] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> the http protocol was not listed in my network connection protocol list, so how is my computer able to access http Web pages without this in the list?
[02:16] <ayorke69> test?
[02:16] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> assignment
[02:16] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> question
[02:16] <ayorke69> Does anyone know what "Could not connect to archive.getdeb.net:80 (81.92.203.249)" means?
[02:17] <pleia2> ayorke69: you're using archive.getdeb.net to get some packages, and your computer is unable to connect (maybe it's down?)
[02:18] <pleia2> ZeRoDeAtH50435: I think the list you're looking at is just for connections to be made through the file manager? you want to use a web browser to actually connect to web pages
[02:18] <ayorke69> This has been going on for 7 days, is archive.getdeb.net a web site with updates on it?
[02:18] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[02:19] <pleia2> ayorke69: getdeb.net has some packages on it, yes, open up your package manager and look at which "sources" you're using
[02:19] <ayorke69> The update manager would fail, and then when I tried to access it from the terminal, I got the error code I quoted.
[02:20] <ayorke69> Ok, I will try examining the package manager, please excuse my ignorance.
[02:20] <pleia2> no need to apologize, that's why we're here :)
[02:20] <ayorke69> Thank you for your help all.
[02:27] <ayorke69> Is the update manager a simple front end for the package manager?
[02:28] <paultag> ayorke69, yeah
[02:28] <paultag> ayorke69, the package manager ( apt ) is command line based. It has an update function that the update manager implements in a GUI
[02:29] <ayorke69> So by disconnecting the problem resource in the package manager, that would explain why the update manager now works properly, correct?
[02:29] <paultag> ayorke69, sure would!
[02:29] <paultag> ayorke69, apt has a lock file so you can't fsck stuff up with race conditions
[02:30] <ayorke69> Thank you for your help, and thank you to the previous folks who helped as well..., race conditions are a bit beyond me at this point.
[02:31] <paultag> ayorke69, it's a programming term :P
[02:31] <paultag> ayorke69, it just says "Don't do two things at once because the first one can mess up the second one by doing it's job"
[02:32] <paultag> ayorke69, like driving a car and shooting a gun. Both are "safe" if done alone, but run both at once, and you have a problem
[02:32] <ayorke69> Right now I'm just estatic that I can give windows the "boot"  Thank you Paultag, good analogy shooting guns and driving cars, (fun to do though).
[02:32] <paultag> ayorke69, so is installing two things at once ;)
[02:33] <paultag> ayorke69, well that's good to hear. We are here most of the time, c'mon back if you have any other issues
[02:33] <ayorke69> Bye folks.
[02:33] <paultag> laters
[08:47] <tdn> I hope you can help. I have just installed the new nouveau driver from ppa:xorg-edgers. Now X does not work. How can I revert back to the state from before installing the ppa?
[08:47] <ddecator> are you able to boot into a terminal?
[08:48] <tdn> ddecator, yes.
[08:48] <tdn> ddecator, I am root at the console now.
[08:51] <tdn> ddecator, what to do?
[08:52] <ddecator> try removing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove that ppa, then run 'sudo apt-get update', then install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau again. that _should_ (if i'm right) give you the default version again instead of the PPA version
[08:52] <tdn> ddecator, I'll try. Thanks.
[08:52] <ddecator> let me know if you need the specific commands for any of that :)
[08:52] <ddecator> tdn: no problem
[08:52] <tdn> ddecator, however, I partly remember something about ppa-purge?
[08:53] <tdn> ddecator, I think the PPA-site mentioned that I should use ppa-purge. But I cannot see the site without X.
[08:53] <ddecator> tdn: i've never heard of it personally. let me look it up
[08:54] <tdn> ddecator, thanks.
[08:55] <ddecator> tdn: "If you are upgrading from one release to another and are using this PPA, be sure to install ppa-purge and use it to downgrade all of this PPA's packages before the upgrade or you will have a broken system"
[08:56] <tdn> ddecator, ok. I am not upgrading.
[08:56] <ddecator> tdn: "To revert to official packages, you can install the ppa-purge package and run "sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers""
[08:56] <ddecator> that looks more like what you want to do ^
[08:57] <tdn> ddecator, ok. Thanks.
[08:57] <tdn> ddecator, so I should NOT remove ppa from sources.list beforehand?
[08:58] <ddecator> tdn: not at this point. try the ppa-purge method first since there may be other packages that need to be downgraded for things to work
[08:58] <tdn> Ok.
[08:59] <tdn> ddecator, thanks. I'll see if it works.
[09:00] <ddecator> tdn: no problem. good luck :)
[09:22] <tdn> ddecator, it worked. Thanks a lot.
[09:54] <shahan> Nvidia driver problem on LInux MInt
[09:58] <shahan> as Linux Mint and UBUNTU is almost same, I am asking the issue occoured with Linux Mint
[09:59] <shahan> problem is with the LINUX MINT 9
[09:59] <shahan> NVIDIA  VGA
[09:59] <ZachK_> shahan: stop
[10:00] <ZachK_> shahan: you asked the question once...if someone knows they will answer you...no need to continue the question
[10:00] <shahan> ZachK_: !!!!
[10:01] <ZachK_> !patience | shahan
[10:01] <ubot2> shahan: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait.
[10:01] <ZachK_> shahan: i will see what i can find...meanwhile please try to explain the issue you're having...
[10:01] <shahan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/443224/
[10:02] <ZachK_> shahan: take a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[10:04] <shahan> ZachK_: ok
[14:10] <bobo123> hello, I want my fat32-partition to be mounted directly when I start ubuntu instead of waiting until I use it. If I understand correctly I can't do that with the gui but should write a line in /etc/fstab instead
[14:11] <bobo123> When ubuntu mount the partition when-used it looks like "/dev/sda2 on /media/D type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush)", so I guess I should have the same options in /etc/fstab, right?
[14:13] <bobo123> I do want to know what I am doing though, what the options mean so I have read man mount but some things are not explained too well in it.... and *why* ubuntu these options (that it not the default according to man mount)
[14:19] <bobo123> why do it have "utf8=1" ? the explanation "UTF8 is is used by the console. It can be be enabled for the filesystem with this option" doesn't say much. what the console use have nothing to do with the filesystem (and is set in a menu in the terminal program), and fat32 don't ever use utf8 because the unicode characters in fat32 uses 16bit unicode in a way that is specified by the fat32 standard....
[14:22] <bobo123> (and the 8+3 short names can't use utf8 either, since they use an ibm 8bit encoding, normaly IBM437)
[14:23] <bobo123> so do anyone know what the this fat32 mount option is/do ?
[14:29] <phillw> hi bobo123 take a look at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindowsfstab
[14:29] <phillw> that will explain things for you.
[14:31] <bobo123> ok I look at that
[14:35] <bobo123> hmm.. good page but I'm not sure it explains my question about utf8 though....
[14:46] <phillw> windows can only 'see' 8 +3 characters, so longer file names would be truncated (shortened), if you need Win support, then you may want to stick to the 8+3, if you're just using linux, then you can use the utf8 for longer names.
[14:49] <phillw> bobo123: and you'd like to give yourself a headache, you can have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=938444
[14:49] <phillw> ;-0
[14:49] <phillw> ;-)
[14:51] <Chesamo> phillw: Are you talking about FAT16? Because the long filename restriction was lifted in FAT32.
[14:54] <phillw> Chesamo: i guess it depends how far back you need to go with support, I only use ext4 and ntfs these days, but the op wanted to know why utf8 was being used. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5911771&postcount=2 has more resources on the pros and cons of using utf8
[14:55] <Chesamo> phillw: Ah, you mean in the filename encoding. Gotcha.
[14:56] <phillw> 16 bit unicode, was I think case insensitive, hence the possiblility of things going awry if you use utf8 - but I'm no expert on fat32 ;-)
[15:01] <bobo123> yeah I use windows (and dos) too, and really like fat32. it is nice and clean, no ownership of files and such things. only bad with fat32 is that a file can't be larger than 4GB (sure FAT+ allows larger but only DRDOS support it yet)
[15:05] <shahan> need a multimedia converter for convert mkv to mp3, flv to mp3 etc.
[15:05] <Chesamo> shahan: Looked into ffmpeg?
[15:06] <Chesamo> shahan: Also VLC Media Player can (relatively losslessly) convert files by streaming their output to an encoder.
[15:08] <phillw> there are a couple of ways to access ext2/ext3 from windows http://www.howtoforge.com/access-linux-partitions-from-windows covers three of them  but there seems little hope for a dos system to do so.
[15:10] <phillw> as far as i am aware, ext4 is still not accessable from Win - but i've not had too much to do with win since vista was launched
[15:13] <bobo123> if I understand right the option UTF8=1 means that the vfat-driver pretends/says to the system that it using utf8 so it can do the work to convert to 16bit unicode + uppercase 8bit IBM437 dosnames itself instead of the system..... or something
[15:27] <bobo123> btw, perhaps NTFS partitions are mount with wrong options when it mount automaticly... NTFS isn't supposed to allow a file "TEst" and "tESt" in same directory
[15:29] <Chesamo> bobo123: Filenames are case sensitive in NTFS. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/100625
[15:54] <switchgirl> hi i am running ubuntu 10.04 and wish to add Liferea to the indicator applet how might i do this? xposted
[15:55] <Chesamo> switchgirl: Which indicator applet do you have up? inducator-applet or indicator-applet-session?
[15:59] <switchgirl> Indicator Applet 0.3.7
[16:00] <Chesamo> switchgirl: Do you have the Notification Area on your Panel?
[16:01] <Chesamo> switchgirl: Unless, do you mean the Messaging menu in the indicator-applet? The little envelope? Do you want Liferea to go there?
[16:02] <switchgirl> yeah the little envolope
[16:05] <Chesamo> switchgirl: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/add-lifrea-feed-reader-to-messaging.html
[16:06] <switchgirl> ahhhh ok :) trying that now thanks
[16:28] <paultag> switchgirl, long thyme no see
[16:47] <kaushal> I am running Ubuntu 10.04 Desktop, X freezes and i get the message in dmesg [ 3164.724958] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[16:47] <kaushal> My video card is 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[16:47] <kaushal> Please suggest
[16:51] <Chesamo> kaushal: It looks like a bug in the Intel xorg. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/523027
[16:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 523027 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "DRM Framebuffer crash; invalid framebuffer id; Thinkpads with Intel X4500HD (affects: 12) (heat: 76)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:51] <Chesamo> That. Yes.
[16:52] <kaushal> Chesamo, so no fix for it ?
[16:53] <Chesamo> kaushal: None yet.
[16:54] <kaushal> ok
[16:54] <kaushal> Chesamo, how did you find this bug ?
[16:54] <kaushal> curious to know
[16:55] <Chesamo> kaushal: I google'd for "*ERROR* invalid framebuffer id xorg"
[16:56] <kaushal> I have posted it to xorg mailing list too
[16:57] <kaushal> will that help ?
[17:04] <Chesamo> kaushal: Probably. As it stands, try booting into failsafe mode and seeing if an update will do the trick.
[17:05] <kaushal> Chesamo, its uptodate
[17:05] <Chesamo> kaushal: Oh. It was worth a shot.
[17:05] <kaushal> I have ran sudo apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[17:06] <kaushal> it didnot include the xserver-xorg-video-intel package
[17:07] <Chesamo> kaushal: Yeah, I expected as much.
[17:07] <kaushal> Chesamo, so i have to live with it ?
[17:08] <Chesamo> kaushal: I'm trying to think if there's a way to run xorg in generic mode... just without hardware drivers. I'm pretty sure there is, but I don't remember how.
[17:08] <kaushal> Chesamo, so its really dissatisfactory using the latest release 10.04
[17:09] <kaushal> I was under the impression it was suppose to be good
[17:09] <kaushal> but it has not met my expectation
[17:09] <Chesamo> kaushal: Some things get better, some things break. Linux is a modular operating system. Sometimes certain modules have bugs.
[17:10] <Chesamo> kaushal: Ubuntu isn't like Windows; it's not a single team writing everything. Xorg has its own team, as does the Intel driver.
[17:10] <kaushal> since i am running 10.04 on a production laptop
[17:10] <kaushal> the productivity is lost
[17:10] <Chesamo> kaushal: Then downgrade.
[17:11] <kaushal> Chesamo, its a stupid idea
[17:11] <paultag> kaushal, Chesamo is not the one with the issue
[17:11] <paultag> kaushal, Chesamo is not being paid to help you, and he is doing his best. Please do not use such language
[17:12] <paultag> kaushal, try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh
[17:12] <Chesamo> kaushal: If the current version has a bug, and that bug is preventing you from getting your work done, then the best option is to downgrade to a version that DOES work. That's how it's always been in computing.
[17:12] <kaushal> Chesamo, ok
[17:13] <paultag> Chesamo, +1
[17:13] <paultag> Chesamo, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[17:13] <paultag> Chesamo, that might help a bit :)
[17:14] <kaushal> Chesamo, is it worth trying to email the xorg mailing list ?
[17:14] <Chesamo> kaushal: I'd normally say "it can't hurt", but the bug's already listed on LaunchPad, so I'm not sure if that would help. Adding your specs to the bug page (above) would definitely help, though.
[17:16] <kaushal> Chesamo, Thanks and appreciate it
[17:16] <kaushal> paultag, Thanks always
[17:16] <paultag> cheers
[17:16] <kaushal> Chesamo, what exactly i need to add the specs
[17:16] <kaushal> on that bug page
[17:17] <Chesamo> kaushal: Your laptop's model number and the graphics card. The output you pasted above is sufficient.
[17:18] <paultag> kaushal, lshw > hardware
[17:18] <paultag> kaushal, and attach "hardware" to the bug report
[17:18] <paultag> kaushal, don't forget a sudo
[17:19] <kaushal> sure
[17:24] <kaushal> Also I have upgraded the physical ram to 4 GB so to address all the physical ram I have installed pae kernel
[17:24] <kaushal> but the network connectivity is broken
[17:24] <kaushal> How do i address it
[17:28] <kaushal> This issue was from my internal customer
[17:28] <kaushal> Any clues ?
[17:28] <Chesamo> kaushal: I'm not sure what you mean... you mean a 32-bit system with PAE? If that's the case, why not convert to 64-bit?
[17:29] <kaushal> Chesamo, yes
[17:29] <kaushal> a 32 bit system with PAE
[17:29] <kaushal> how do i convert it to 64 Bit
[17:30] <Chesamo> kaushal: You'd need to reinstall
[17:30] <kaushal> can a 64 Bit Ubuntu Linux 10.04 OS be installed on a 32 Bit hardware ?
[17:31] <Chesamo> kaushal: What processor?
[17:31] <kaushal> Core 2 duo
[17:31] <Chesamo> kaushal: The core 2 duo is a 64-bit processor
[17:32] <kaushal> ok
[17:34] <kaushal> Thanks Chesamo
[17:34] <kaushal> Any other workaround ?
[17:34] <kaushal> to get the network connector running ?
[17:34] <Chesamo> kaushal: My guess? upgrade the network module. But I don't remember how to specify that.
[17:35] <kaushal> ok
[19:27] <dtwrites> I've installed 9.04 (jaunty jackalope) on my eMac (G4). Everything is working fine, does anyone know if it would be safe to upgrade to 9.10? I can't find a download that would work, but my installer says I can upgrade.
[19:28] <paultag> dtwrites, should be :)
[19:28] <collinp> paultag: You beat me.
[19:28] <paultag> dtwrites, PPC dropped off to only be community supported and not Canonical supported, so it might be less stable, but Debian still maintains everything for PPC
[19:28] <paultag> dtwrites, so it will work ( even if it's just rebranded deb PPC )
[19:29] <dtwrites> Thanks, and wish me luck.
[19:29] <paultag> dtwrites, good luck!
[19:30] <bobo123> good luck :-)
[19:30] <collinp> Good luck.
[19:31] <bobo123> I wonder about shortname= option when mounting a fat32-partition.. shouldn't it be two options...
[19:35] <cjohnston> My feelings were hurt in here btw
[19:36] <cjohnston> wrong window
[19:36] <cjohnston> oops
[19:45] <bobo123> on hurt feelings bandaid wont help
[19:48] <bobo123> I would love to be able to set "show 8+3filenames as lowercase ; store a long name when the short name is not all lower case" but that seems not to be any of the four options
[20:31] <Danili> hi everybody i have a problem there is specified here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498469 anyways i might have found a solution to the problem and that's change my network diver to the madwifi drivers and try'ed that but then i got a new problem and that's i only had wired connection in my network manager :s so i switched back to the ath5k driver again... my question now is: do anyone have any idea why the sw
[20:31] <Danili> itch to the madwifi drivers failed?? i followed this guide: http://petejcullen.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/fixing-the-madwifi-driver-on-ubuntu-9-04-jaunty-netbook-remix/
[20:40] <phillw> hi, has anyone got experience of via technologies graphics chips not detecting the higher resolutions?
[20:41] <holstein> phillw: i got an HPmini
[20:41] <holstein> one of the early one
[20:41] <holstein> s
[20:41] <holstein> with the VIA chip
[20:41] <holstein> its a PITA
[20:42] <phillw> holstein: would you have a go at helping an OP, I've no experience of them
[20:42] <holstein> bb
[20:42] <holstein> phone
[21:07] <holstein> phillw: drag
[21:07] <holstein> that was a long call :/
[21:07] <holstein> anyways
[21:07] <holstein> back at hardy
[21:07] <bobo123> so what is this via graphiccard/motherboard that gives you buttpain?
[21:07] <holstein> there was a couple of drivers to choose from for my chip
[21:08] <holstein> one for compiz
[21:08] <holstein> and one to support the external monitor
[21:08] <holstein> i never earlly cared about either one on that notebook
[21:08] <holstein> BUT the openchrome driver did not support my chip at the time
[21:08] <holstein> AND
[21:08] <holstein> the worst part was standyby
[21:09] <holstein> the screen backlight would not sleep with vesa
[21:09] <holstein> SO i got the compiz one working in hardy
[21:09] <holstein> next time i tried the openchrome driver
[21:09] <phillw> holstein: do you want me to send him here, or do want to jump onto #lubuntu?
[21:09] <holstein> i think that was karmic
[21:10] <holstein> phillw: OH
[21:10] <holstein> i thought it was you :)
[21:10] <holstein> to make a long story short
[21:10] <holstein> i dont know if i can be much help
[21:10] <holstein> let me just get the link i used
[21:10] <holstein> ...
[21:11] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Old/HP2133
[21:12] <holstein> becasue it may or may not be relavant to his hardware
[21:12] <holstein> ill share my war stories though ;)
[21:12] <phillw> all i can really find is http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8640442
[21:13] <Reixo> Why hello there.
[21:13] <Reixo> I am supposed to be talking to hals...someone
[21:14] <phillw> holstein: Reixo is the guy i was chatting about, as an update
[21:14] <phillw> Reixo: I found out what GPU i have
[21:14] <phillw> (21:09:11) Reixo: VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro IGP
[21:14] <phillw> (21:09:16) Reixo: 64MB Vram
[21:14] <phillw> holstein: any help would be appreciated :-)
[21:14] <Reixo> Well yeah, my main problem is that i can't raise the resolution above 800x600 and ubuntu is running slow :S
[21:15] <holstein> drag
[21:15] <holstein> yeah, that wont do...
[21:15] <holstein> hmm
[21:15] <ZachK_> Reixo: Laptop or Desktop
[21:15] <Reixo> Laptop
[21:15] <ZachK_> ah ok nevermind
[21:16] <Reixo> 1.5 Ghz cpu, 192 MB ram, 64 vram
[21:16] <ZachK_> I'd run Xubuntu on that not Ubuntu
[21:17] <holstein> Reixo: have you tried anything from the via linux portal ?
[21:17] <holstein> http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action
[21:17] <Reixo> I'm running Lubuntu
[21:17] <ZachK_> ah
[21:17] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=342115&page=2
[21:17] <holstein> #17
[21:17] <holstein> hmmm
[21:17] <holstein> Reixo: have you tried a live CD
[21:17] <holstein> with gnome?
[21:17] <Reixo> Uhm
[21:18] <Reixo> No...I guess
[21:18] <holstein> on different hardware, i had some funky resolution issues with LXDE the other day
[21:18] <Reixo> I just installed it with wubi
[21:18] <holstein> i ended up going with gnome for other reasons
[21:18] <holstein> SO i did not trouble-shoot it
[21:18] <Reixo> also Gnome runs like shit on that laptop
[21:19] <holstein> Reixo: i think that would tell you if its an LXDE config or the open chrome driver
[21:19]  * holstein really wants to like LXDE
[21:19] <holstein> i just hit a couple 'fiddly' things when i try it
[21:19] <holstein> and go back to gnome
[21:19] <Reixo> All I want is a smooth running ubntunu
[21:19] <Reixo> Ubuntu*
[21:21] <holstein> dont we all ;)
[21:21] <holstein> Reixo: via chips are a pain
[21:21] <Reixo> :D
[21:22] <holstein> i bought this one with linux on it too
[21:22] <holstein> SLED10 i think
[21:22] <holstein> i assumed that would make it more 'linux friendly'
[21:22] <holstein> Reixo: its going to be easy to boot from an ubuntu or xubuntu live CD
[21:23] <holstein> that will isolate it to driver or LXDE
[21:23] <holstein> thats where i would start
[21:30] <Reixo> BLeh
[21:30] <Reixo> can't change it higher on gnome too
[21:32] <phillw> holstein: Reixo idk if this thread would help http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8640442 it's about all i can find on the matter :-(
[21:35] <holstein> Reixo: ok
[21:35] <holstein> so i think it might be worth trying that driver then
[21:35] <Reixo> Did i miss on something...what driver?
[21:35] <holstein> one from the via linux portal
[21:36] <holstein> it a pathetic attempt in my opnion
[21:36] <holstein> but its there
[21:36] <Reixo> Hmm
[21:36] <Reixo> Theydon't have 10.04 listed
[21:39] <Reixo> I'll try all that out tomorrow
[21:40] <Reixo> Thanks anyways.
[21:40] <holstein> i havent tried it with lucid yet
[21:40] <holstein> because the openchrome is doing what i need so far
[21:41] <holstein> you could also try forcing vesa
[21:41] <holstein> id like to see that card doing another resolution with that monitor
[21:41] <Reixo> Whats vesa?
[21:42] <Reixo> Also, when I installed Ubuntu 9.something a few months ago, it forces 1900xsomething on the login screen
[21:42] <holstein> i think its called safe graphics mode
[21:43] <holstein> in hte ubuntu live CD
[21:43] <Reixo> But safe graphics usually forces the lowest possible resolution or something like that...
[21:43] <holstein> AFAIK
[21:43] <Reixo> AFAIK?
[21:43] <holstein> you push F4
[21:43] <holstein> OH
[21:43] <holstein> youve already tried that
[21:43] <holstein> AFAIK=as far as i know
[21:45] <holstein> not that im pushing another distro in here ;p
[21:45] <holstein> but puppy linux
[21:45] <holstein> booting live
[21:46] <holstein> lets you choose different resolutions for vesa
[21:46] <holstein> if it was my box
[21:46] <holstein> i would want to see something on that screen in a different resolution
[21:46] <holstein> just to know it is possible
[21:46] <holstein> before i hop through a bunch of hoops
[21:47] <holstein> Reixo: is this the first time youve tried linux on that laptop?
[21:47] <Reixo> No
[21:47] <Reixo> Probably the 4th i think
[21:47] <holstein> OK
[21:47] <holstein> so you've had it working properly in the past then
[21:47] <Reixo> Not really
[21:48] <holstein> was that with the open chrome driver?
[21:48] <Reixo> Lag was a huge issue
[21:48] <Reixo> Huh?
[21:48] <holstein> do you know what driver you were using?
[21:48] <holstein> in the past
[21:48] <holstein> if you didnt do anything
[21:48] <Reixo> No
[21:48] <holstein> it was probably the openchome one
[21:49] <holstein> is there still 'lag' when you do 'safe-graphics' mode?
[21:49] <Reixo> Uhm
[21:49] <Reixo> You know what, i'll try that right now
[21:50]  * holstein will be back in about 20
[21:51] <Reixo> i can't r un it in failsafe mode
[21:51] <holstein> Reixo: if it seems more responsive in 'safe mode'
[21:51] <Reixo> weird
[21:51] <holstein> i would think that is pointing to the driver being used too
[21:51] <Reixo> If i select it, it takes me back to the recovery menu
[21:51] <holstein> hmmm
[21:51] <holstein> not very 'fail-safe' is it ;)
[21:52] <Reixo> Haha
[21:52] <holstein> how about from the other live CD you got?
[21:52] <Reixo> I've got no live CD's
[21:52] <holstein> hmmm
[21:53] <holstein> well, if your around later i'll scratch my head some more
[21:53] <holstein> bbl
[23:09] <collinp> Gonna fix two bans that I have placed.
[23:10] <collinp> That's probably better.
[23:10] <ZachK_> cool
[23:16] <ZachK_> hello suprengr
[23:18] <suprengr> hithere ... cant stay... just sorting out empathy & xchat
[23:20] <suprengr> QUIT
[23:20] <suprengr> \quit
[23:46] <dragondon> hey all!  Does anyone know a good linux program that will generate a password based on some/most known key phrases?
[23:57] <phillw> dragondon: you can use several ways to generate a the one way password
[23:57] <dragondon> phillw: gonna try John the ripper, was recently suggested.