[00:00] typo, either [00:00] lol [00:00] woki, I like it. [00:00] Not far off a wookie. [00:01] “Please update the wookie”. Got a ring to it. [00:01] rrrroar [00:04] RAOF, TheMuso, robert_ancell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-06-01 [00:04] go ahead and read it over [00:05] * TheMuso reads the wookie... um I mean wiki page. :) [00:05] and robert_ancell in case you forgot your activity report, not would be a good time [00:05] * TheMuso can't stop laughing. [00:05] heh [00:06] not much there. [00:06] TheMuso, right, it was a 20 minute meeting [00:07] * TheMuso is done [00:08] RAOF, robert_ancell ? [00:08] done [00:08] Done. [00:09] My connectivity seems less than wonderful. Sorry if I lag behind. [00:10] RAOF, yeah, I'm getting stalled connections too [00:10] ok, so real quick from the meeting [00:10] key thing is that we need to start DONEing or POSTPONEDing work items [00:10] for A2 [00:11] if you have some done, please mark them as such [00:11] questions? [00:11] No [00:11] None. [00:11] * rickspencer3 whip cracking noises [00:11] ok, there was one thing not on the agenda that I thought would be useful to bring up here [00:12] TheMuso, so did I read that dchen has really and truly stopped maintain audio for Ubuntu? [00:12] rickspencer3: His involvement will decrease once this extra work that he is doing starts. Don't know any more than that myself. [00:13] TheMuso, so we need to plan to fill that gap, right? [00:13] rickspencer3: Right, and such a plan was started at UDS. [00:13] I see [00:13] is there a link or such? [00:14] do you have the resources that you need? [00:14] etc... [00:14] rickspencer3: In the form of Daniel having a session with a few people including myself to do a brain dump of common things that need to be done in terms of getting hda hardware to work. [00:14] TheMuso, and are you planning to do that work? [00:14] rickspencer3: resources wise, I really can't say at this point, depends on how many people from the above referred session end up jumping abord to help. I have received one request already to help out, which is good [00:15] rickspencer3: Where I can, and feel comfortable doing so, yes. [00:15] hmmm [00:15] I'd feel better if I knew that there was one person on point to make sure that audio keeps getting better [00:16] Userspace wise, I am committed to doing that. Kernel wise, not sure. [00:17] yeah [00:17] ok, that makes sense [00:17] I'll ask the kernel team who is on point there [00:17] RAOF, TheMuso, robert_ancell any other business? [00:17] Nope. [00:17] rickspencer3: Brad Figg has been doing audio related stuff from the kernel team [00:18] No other business here. [00:18] no [00:18] TheMuso, ack on bjf, but I'm not sure if he's still on point for desktop in 10.10 [00:18] rickspencer3: Gotcha. [00:19] * rickspencer3 taps gavel [00:19] robert_ancell, thought you might be interested that jono is starting to pull together content for developer.ubuntu.com [00:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperStackTour [00:19] rickspencer3, TheMuso, still on point, however, i'm also charged with doing SRU work this cycle [00:20] bjf, ack [00:20] bjf: Ok [00:20] rickspencer3, oh, cool. [00:21] I think jono asked for a drupal instance at developer.ubuntu.com [00:21] doesn't seem to be there yet [00:21] rickspencer3, it will be Wordpress [00:21] currently talking it over with IS [00:21] Wordpress then [00:21] meh [00:23] bratsche, you awake? [00:31] robert_ancell, yeah [00:33] bug 584287, happy to apply and take it upstream but why is the patch correct? [00:33] Launchpad bug 584287 in metacity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Unexpected X error (BadDrawable) causing metacity to abort in maverick (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 64)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584287 [00:33] bratsche, ^ [00:34] robert_ancell: It's expecting an RGB colormap, and gdk_screen_get_default_colormap() isn't guaranteed to return that. It should use get_rgb_colormap() or get_system_colormap(). [00:34] bratsche, ok, thanks [00:35] the documentation on what get_system and get_default does is very basic [00:35] robert_ancell: This will not have any negative effect even without the rgba/csd patches applied to gtk+. [00:36] robert_ancell: Yeah.. gtk+ right now does return an rgb colormap normally with get_default_colormap(), although it's possible to change that at runtime. But with the csd/rgba patch I'm pushing into gtk+ it will return an rgba colormap by default. [00:36] bratsche, so what is the difference between get_rgb and get_system? Does get_rgb convert the system colormap if it is not in rgb? [00:37] robert_ancell: To be honest, I'm not sure of the practical difference between them. Maybe we should use get_rgb_colormap().. get_system_colormap() will return whatever Xorg is configured to. [00:39] To change the colormap to rgba by default we don't want to do this at the Xorg level though (which would then require no change in gtk+) because some apps probably erroneously try to draw black with 000. [00:39] That's the reason for modifying it from the toolkit level. [00:41] robert_ancell: Actually, I just confirmed in the gtk+ patch.. you should use gdk_screen_get_system_colormap() and not get_rgb_colormap(). [00:41] That's what gtk+ was setting the default colormap to before. [00:42] robert_ancell: And also, thanks very much for taking care of this! [00:42] bratsche, np [00:47] Owch. Shotwell really chews through memory when importing. [01:19] hmm, I thought somebody (rickspencer maybe) was saying that it hardly used any [01:21] Well, it was consuming 1.2GiB physical here and I wanted my system back. [01:22] shesh, that's a lot [01:22] RAOF: wheee [01:22] Yeah. [01:22] LaserJock, I have no idea how much it uses when importing [01:23] On the plus side, it now has minimal support for RAW formats. [01:23] sounds like basically "whatever you've got" [01:23] RAOF, is it worth logging a bug on that? [01:23] Yes. [01:24] At least, as long as it's reproducible. I'll give it another whirl. === JanC_ is now known as JanC [04:26] RAOF, bug 510426 - do you have any idea which binary package the Everything and GIMarshallingTests modules should go? I added them to the glib packages, after reading your bug report don't know if they should go into the -dev package [04:26] Launchpad bug 510426 in gobject-introspection (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Everything-1.0.typelib not built in libgirepository1.0-dev (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510426 [04:28] TheMuso, can you sponsor metacity for me? [04:28] robert_ancell: Sure. Does it have a fix that we need for alpha 1? [04:29] TheMuso, I think so, it's a crasher due to interaction with CSD, and the patch is very simple (and already been tested) [04:29] ah ok. [04:29] will go ahead and take care of it. [04:30] it's in bzr [04:30] yep gotcha [04:48] robert_ancell: uploaded [04:51] TheMuso, thanks [04:51] bratsche, ^^ [05:16] robert_ancell: I'd probably stick it in the -dev package, as per patch on the linked Debian bug. Everything is only used in testsuites AFAICT, so -dev makes sense there. Less certain about GIMarshallingTests, but the same logic probably applies. [05:17] RAOF, there is a versioning issue putting libraries in -dev though [05:18] I don't quite see how - if they're only used in testsuites, then they're basically only really used at build time, and we don't version the -dev package. [05:20] RAOF, yeah, I guess we need to know if they're only used for testsuites (probably). My gut feel is they'll disappear once GI stabilises [05:21] Well, they're obviously not used for anything but testsuites in the archive at the moment :) [05:22] pygi is the only thing I know of :) but that's not in the archive yet [05:23] Good morning [05:42] ugh OOo 3.2.1 rules merge is particularly ugly, have to be careful not to screw it up :-\ [05:43] ccheney, good luck! [05:47] hi guys. does anyone know how to address ubuntu's frequent lock-up's? [05:47] bzr merge is not my friend, heh [05:48] BalSak: do a memory test [05:48] ...not only FireFox (although it happens most frequently in FF, since it's the single app I use the most) [05:48] BalSak: if its frequently hanging and not coming back its probably hardware [05:48] ccheney: memtest @ boot? will do, but it happens on many of my systems [05:49] BalSak: oh hmm [05:49] ccheney: it's only single apps that hang (& grey out), and then come back after a stretch. quite random [05:49] very frustrating [05:49] BalSak: hmm maybe ask in the user channel or forum with details about your system [05:50] #ubuntu ? [05:51] loads of noise & this seems the appropriate channel to deal with desktop-related issues... [05:54] This channel is used for desktop development. [06:01] dev. ok. thnx [06:03] * ccheney gone to bed, will fight with bzr merge in the morning [06:30] robert_ancell: thx for the patch of metacity :) [06:32] dupondje, np === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:12] good morning [08:13] RAOF: hey, my computer is a world of pain this morning, is there a way to install the nvidia blob driver on maverick? [08:14] didrocks: The one from jockey worked last time I checked. [08:14] bonjour didrocks [08:15] RAOF: wasn't the case two weeks ago. I'm trying it now (current?) [08:16] Guten Morgen pitti [08:16] sweet, jockey list me anything anymore (but well, as I had to install the nvidia driver manually, can be related) [08:17] Oh! I know what your problem is going to be - metacity has decided to die, right? [08:18] RAOF: right, no more metacity because of csd/rgba I guess (and no compiz/mutter as no more GL with my last update). [08:20] just a tty with weechat ;) [08:20] but I don't see how this can influence jockey-gtk to not show the nvidia driver [08:20] didrocks: is that a fresh install? [08:20] didrocks: also, is nvidia-current-modaliases installed? [08:22] pitti: definitively not a fresh install at all :) [08:23] pitti: let me check [08:24] pitti: not installed, let me try this [08:24] didrocks: hm, it's installed by default [08:25] hello didrocks pitti [08:25] didrocks, RAOF: I just uploaded a fix for metacity [08:25] pitti: I guess a dist-upgrade can have broken it, but as I wasn't able to launch [08:25] s/launch/use the nvidia integrated driver 2 weeks before, can be related to that [08:26] salut seb128 [08:26] robert_ancell: sweet! I'll try as soon as I get it [08:28] bonjour seb128 [08:28] pitti, hey, how are you? [08:28] well enough :) we just got the first maverick alpha-1 desktop images [08:28] rebooting, brb [08:28] now with non-crashing kernel :) [08:28] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100602.2/ [08:28] happy testing [08:28] pitti, you decided that sleep was overrated it seems? ;-) [08:29] ah, I'm getting used to 6 AM :) [08:29] seb128, do you have any thoughts on gobject-introspection? (see email) [08:29] robert_ancell, let me check emails [08:32] robert_ancell: your metacity fix works, thanks :) [08:32] didrocks, i just pushed the patch :) [08:33] robert_ancell, the changes you did are fine with me for upload [08:33] pitti: well, for jockey-gtk, still listing anything, but again, my install is crap from karmic. So, I think it's a local issue and will reinstall with the alpha1 image this week-end [08:33] didrocks: we just got fresh alpha-1 desktop images, feel free to use those :) [08:34] pitti: ok, will do it once the "morning tasks" are done :) [08:34] robert_ancell, did you get pygi working with those? [08:34] for my part, it seems like the nvidia-current drivers work fine. [08:34] seb128, RAOF suggested they should be in -dev (and that is what the Debian bug is proposing) [08:34] robert_ancell, do we need pygobject rebuilt with it? [08:34] robert_ancell, ok, can do that [08:34] seb128, only if we want pygobject to use pygi as a backend (I believe) [08:34] pitti, yes I can confirm the hang is due to udisks, see stacktrace on the bug report [08:35] seb128: ah, thanks [08:35] I got a PyGI GTK+ demo app working, doesn't need the pygobject recompile [08:35] oh, nice [08:35] is there good documentation? [08:35] RAOF: can be more than possible, but as I had to install during the lucid dev cycle (before alpha3 I guess) and at the beginning of this cycle manually the nvidia one, I don't trust at all my setup :) [08:35] seb128, nope, I just guessed and used what I knew from the C API. I'm going to blog a little demo to get people started when it hits maverick [08:36] ok [08:36] you consider it ready for sponsoring? [08:36] could you push to a non junk location if that's the case? [08:37] seb128, I'm just changing it from pygi1 to pygi0, will push [08:37] (I think that's the correct name right? [08:37] pitti, gnome-session starts without issue it's just gnome-panel and nautilus hanging [08:37] pitti, "just" which leads you on an empty background [08:37] I can switch workspaces though [08:37] the login sound is played as well [08:37] robert_ancell, I didn't check the packaging yet so I can't tell [08:39] seb128: ok, let me check something in udisks [08:39] seb128: for now, please feel free to reassign to udisks [08:40] (still need to fiddle release bits in parallel) [08:44] pitti, ok, sorry for the lag to provide infos on the bug but I don't have the box at home so not access to it during the day [08:44] seb128: np [08:44] I often can access it in evenings though [08:45] seb128, no, the packaging needs some work. I'll do it tomorrow. gtg [08:46] seb128, if you could get gobject-introspection done that would speed it up, thanks! [08:46] robert_ancell, ok, see you [08:46] will do [08:47] Hm. Who's able to view bug #585871 , and why can't I? [08:47] RAOF: Bug 585871 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/585871 is private [08:50] RAOF, I can't [08:50] pitti, if jdong ack a sru bug is some ubuntu-archive members supposed to accept it still? [08:50] bug #553241 [08:50] seb128: they can, yes [08:50] Launchpad bug 553241 in papyon (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "No contacts displayed in Empathy, still able to chat (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553241 [08:50] bug #273294 [08:51] Launchpad bug 273294 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 6 other projects) "Rhythmbox can not use smb:// as library location (affects: 28) (dups: 8) (heat: 230)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273294 [08:51] pitti, he acked those [08:51] RAOF: I can't as either pitti or apport, sorry [08:51] pitti, if you could run your sru-accept on those or whatever script you use which does the stock comment etc [08:51] seb128: can do [08:51] pitti, danke [08:51] pitti, if you teach me what you do I can do that myself next time ;-) [08:52] seb128: let's [08:52] or should I let that to the sru team? [08:52] first, open https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1 [08:52] seb128: no, it's fine for you to do [08:52] rhythmbox is in there [08:52] 2. check http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html [08:52] seb128: is there an RB already in -proposed? [08:53] seb128: I give instructions, you run them? [08:53] pitti, ok [08:53] I've papyon open right now so doing that one first [08:53] ok, fine [08:54] seb128: make sure your ubuntu-archive-tools checkout is up to date, I updated queuediff yesterday [08:54] to work with the shiny new queue diffs generated by LP [08:55] seb128: (tell me whey you updated branch and checked pending-sru for already existing SRUs for those packages) [08:56] pitti, I'm checking something, the diff on the queue seems weird [08:56] seb128: that'd be the next step actually :) [08:56] queuediff -b papyon |less [08:56] that'll [08:56] - find the papyon upload in lucid-proposed [08:56] - parse out the bugs and open them in the browser [08:56] - show the uploaded debdiff to stdout [08:57] you need to check debdiff and bugs for sanity [08:57] bugs need to have a lucid task and a reasonable description [08:58] pitti, ok sorry, so I've an updated checkout, trying that [08:59] pitti, ok so I reviewed the diff using queuediff, checked pending-sru [08:59] * mvo hugs slomo for the #584114 upload [08:59] there is no papyon in the current proposed and the diff is correct [08:59] seb128: queuediff will print an appropriate sru-accept command [08:59] seb128: so if everything is alright, first accept the upload from the queue [08:59] * desrt hugs mvo for no reason at all [09:00] seb128: and if that worked, run the sru-accept command [09:00] seb128: that's it [09:00] * mvo hugs desrt back because he is desrt [09:00] * pitti hugs desrt and mvo for rocking [09:00] * mvo wonders if bzr merge should have a alias "bzr hug" [09:00] pitti, ok, easy, thanks [09:00] seb128: queuediff and sru-accept.py handle all the boring details :) [09:00] pitti: :) [09:01] pitti, ok, fail [09:01] pitti: heh :) hugfest! [09:01] " Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. " [09:01] pitti, ^ I get that when I tried to accept something, can you try on rhythmbox if it works for you? [09:01] seb128: ah, LP sometimes does that for packages you uploaded yourself or so [09:01] bah [09:02] seb128: you can use q -s lucid-proposed -Q unapproved accept [09:02] seb128: rb accepted [09:02] pitti, ok thanks [09:02] pitti, can you sru-accept it as well? [09:02] I will do papyon sshing the box [09:04] seb128: you don't have the sru-accept command? [09:04] I didn't run queuediff [09:04] pitti, ok, will do it [09:04] seb128: if not, what's the bug number? (.changes is already gone) [09:04] pitti, I've access but since you accepted it I figured you maybe wanted to run it as well [09:04] seb128: nah, that's fine [09:04] pitti, 273294 [09:05] it's running for papyon right now [09:05] pitti: have you seen a bt like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/443208/ in apport? is that a known issue? [09:05] just run it yourself, that's fine [09:05] seb128: you can run them in parallel, too [09:05] pitti, ok thanks [09:05] that worked \o/ [09:05] pitti, danke [09:05] mvo: hm, it should try both the one and two arg form [09:06] * pitti hugs seb128 [09:06] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:06] mvo: what did you select? [09:06] pitti: happens on a lucid system, I have not tried to reproduce yet. he selected "don't know" [09:06] pitti: just got a mail from a friend of mine about problems with umounting usb-devices [09:07] aah [09:07] mvo: so, that happens if the linux package hook errors with a genuine TypeError exception [09:07] pitti: it may well be some package that he has installed that keep it busy, so the problem itself may not be a real bug as such (but I'm not sure yet) [09:07] mvo: it just looks confusing [09:07] aha, so its not a error at all? [09:07] mvo: well, it's a bug in the source_linux.py hook [09:08] aha [09:08] mvo: I fixed one instance of that in 1.13.2-0ubuntu1 [09:08] but that's way before lucid [09:08] mvo: running ubuntu-bug linux might help [09:08] pitti, ok, so I'm a bit hesitant what to do with bug #579281 [09:08] Launchpad bug 579281 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "http method for msn protocoll does not work when behind a proxy (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/579281 [09:08] thanks pitti [09:09] mvo: i. e. help to see the real exception [09:09] pitti, I've the feeling I will not get a verification-done on it [09:09] * mvo tries to reproduce [09:09] pitti, but the update is mainly no change if you don't install python-proxy from universe [09:10] pitti, and I did it to allow people who need to proxy to get it and to enable updates to newer versions which have fixes as well [09:10] seb128: can we at least test that MSN still works without a proxy? [09:10] pitti, yes, would that be enough for you? [09:10] my biggest concern is about regressions [09:10] pitti, I will try to get some acks that it doesn't break anything [09:10] if the bug isn't fixed, or fully fixed, we can do another SRU [09:10] ok good [09:10] danke [09:10] but we mustn't break existing working stuff [09:10] right, agreed [09:11] as said I doubt it breaks anything but it seems like I will not get a verification-done for the bug I picked to list in the changelog [09:11] I will get some people to ack it's still working [09:11] thanks [09:59] seb128: ok, I see one open() call in udisks-daemon which could potentially be responsible for this [09:59] seb128: I'll try a patch and upload it to a PPA for testing [10:00] pitti, ok, I can test after work today [10:00] I guess other users can test a ppa version as well on this bug [10:01] right [10:32] seb128: argh, I messed up the retracer chroots last time, fixing [11:00] pitti: ok, reinstalled maverick and seems fine. I saw that my modification on the notify script in weechat we spoke about at UDS has been broken by subsequent changes, making "smart_notification" (which is off by default) not working anymore, hence the fact you aren't spammed with notification in a pv. [11:01] didrocks: maverick> good to hear, thanks [11:01] didrocks: smart notification> right, I don't seem to get _any_ notification for PMs right now [11:02] pitti: yeah, someone made an upstream change and broke it [11:03] seb128: yay, got a first positive test result for my PPA udisk for bug 539515 \o/ [11:03] Launchpad bug 539515 in udisks (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "probing a non-existing floppy causes long boot delays (affects: 70) (dups: 13) (heat: 424)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539515 [11:04] brb [11:04] pitti, yeah you! === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:19] slomo, hi [11:19] slomo, do you think you could get http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550478 fixed in debian? [11:19] Debian bug 550478 in gobject-introspection "gobject-introspection: Please include the Everything-1.0 typelib" [Minor,Open] [11:23] didrocks: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20100602.3/ ready for testing, if you want to give it a spin [11:23] * pitti rsyncs [11:25] didrocks: it's quite a bit bigger than lucid, had to chop off some langpacks [11:29] didrocks: when I boot the current maverick netbook in kvm, I get a GNOME desktop?!? [11:29] shouldn't I get a 2D launcher? [11:29] * pitti tries on real iron [11:32] kenvandine: can I nag I a bit, about douchdb? [11:34] BUGabundo_remote: just FYI, he's currently asleep (western US time zone) [11:34] thanks pitti [11:35] anyone else working in the desktop couch db? [11:35] broken in maverick, can't find any dupes for my bug [11:35] the online services folks, but they are mostly in south america, too [11:35] ehe [11:36] BUGabundo_remote: rodrigo_ might know [11:36] BUGabundo_remote, what's broken? [11:37] slomo, see lp:~robert-ancell/gobject-introspection/add-everything-and-gimarshalling-tests which has the changes [11:37] didrocks: ah, works (2D launcher) with -vga vmware [11:38] rodrigo_: hi. let me get the bug id [11:39] rodrigo_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/588478 [11:39] Launchpad bug 588478 in couchdb (Ubuntu) "RuntimeError: Can not find port of couchdb. (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:40] BUGabundo_remote, is desktopcouch-service running? [11:41] rodrigo_: $ psx couch | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/443258/ [11:41] BUGabundo_remote, if not, move the bug to desktopcouch project [11:42] it seems you have 2 instances running [11:42] should I kill it [11:42] BUGabundo_remote, killall -9 beam.smp and try again [11:42] and then restart gwibber [11:42] and yeah, desktopcouch-service is not running, so gwibber is failing to get the port [11:43] starting gwibber-service -d -o [11:43] and it dies [11:43] I see some instances of desktop-couch again [11:43] yeah, but not desktopcouch-service, right? [11:44] that's the service giving the port via dbus, which is what gwibber is trying to do [11:44] rodrigo_: $ psx desktopcouch-service | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/443261/ [11:44] its there [11:44] pitti: I'll have a look (sorry, in the middle of fighting reinstalling all my dev tools :)) [11:45] BUGabundo_remote, it was there before, right? Does gwibber work now? [11:45] pitti: normally, boot in KVM -> launch netbook-launcher -> fallback on n-l-efl [11:46] RuntimeError: Unable to find listening port [11:46] rodrigo_: nope :( [11:46] BUGabundo_remote, move the bug to desktopcouch, so that chad sees it [11:46] BUGabundo_remote, do you have d-feet installed? [11:47] if so, go to the Session bus tab and look for org.desktopcouch.CouchDB service [11:47] didrocks: yes, it does work indeed, also 3D launcher on real iron [11:47] didrocks: sorry for the noise [11:47] if it's there, try running the getPort method from d-feet [11:47] Installed: (none) [11:47] didrocks: I do have something to complain, though: favourites are empty in both 2d and 3d; known or want me to file a bug? [11:48] * BUGabundo_remote installs [11:48] BUGabundo_remote, (just double click on the method's name in the right-hand list, and click Execute on the dialog that shows up) [11:48] rodrigo_: should I move the bug,. or add desktopcouch ? [11:49] BUGabundo_remote, move it, it's either gwibber or desktopcouch [11:49] done [11:50] pitti: urgh, that's weird. Not sure if this is really important as post alpha1, we will transition to unity which have other keys. What do you think? [11:50] (sync in progress, will test afterwards) [11:50] didrocks: ah, I see [11:50] didrocks: I'll just release-note it them [11:50] pitti: well, I can have a quick look but if it's the only issue, it doesn't worth a respin IMHO [11:51] didrocks: no, don't worry [11:51] rodrigo_: d-feed doesn't show org.desktopcouch.CouchDB [11:51] didrocks: I was only asking for the purposes of documenting [11:51] didrocks: this is that <---------------------> far away from being RC for alpha-1 :) [11:51] BUGabundo_remote, ok, then it's desktopcouch, so move the bug to it [11:51] already did [11:52] pitti: sure :) [11:52] pitti: thanks for the notice, I'll still have a look [11:52] thanks for the help rodrigo_. you may ping me in #-bugs or #-+1 if something comes up [11:52] bye [11:53] didrocks: oh, I guess it'll still be relevant for the 2D launcher, no? [11:54] didrocks: I'll just file a formal bug for now for the release notes [11:54] pitti: yeah, against nebook-launcher-efl and ubuntu-netbook-default-settings please [11:54] (that's the two packages which contains those settings) [11:57] didrocks: bug 588675 FTR [11:57] Launchpad bug 588675 in ubuntu-netbook-default-settings (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[Maverick Alpha-1] Empty favourites (affects: 1)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588675 [11:57] pitti: thanks :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:20] pitti: we also got the two panels and not the dedicated applets. Do you know what changed so that the postinst of ubuntu-netbook-default-settings doesn't seem to have been executed? (I don't remember to add anything to casper about that) [12:22] well, mkdir seems to have worked, but not update-gconf-defaults [12:24] if I execute it manually, I get /var/lib/gconf/une.* and all is fine (favorites, panel and default applets) === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [12:53] didrocks: I don't know of any change there, but admittedly I was quite disconnected from maverick development so far [12:54] didrocks: you could check the livefs build logs for any errors that the postinst might have spat out? [12:58] pitti: do you have any pointer to it please? I can't find it and it's always the issue, I should add a bookmark for them (looked from qa.ubuntu.com…) [12:59] didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/ is the root of all the logs [12:59] pitti: thanks, bookmarking it === cking is now known as cking-afk [13:17] didrocks: so you figure that empty favourites and GNOME-like panel configuation is the same root cause? [13:18] didrocks: I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview accordingly [13:18] (wrong panels was just confirmed by ara) [13:18] pitti: right [13:18] didrocks: merci [13:18] pitti: I'm trying another iso build to see if something happened. Don't see anything in the livefs log [13:18] pitti: you're welcome [13:18] I'm just worrying now :) [13:28] hola ... any good/clean cdbs packaging example that does a two run build (e.g. two ./configure etc.) [13:28] rodrigo_, i reproduced that desktopcouch bug too... seems completely broken for me as well [13:28] * kenvandine will nag chad when he shows up :) [13:29] kenvandine, :( [13:29] rodrigo_, also reproduced it in a pretty clean VM [13:29] kenvandine, btw, the 2 branches for couchdb-glib and evo-couchdb are now done (with introspection and docs), so merge when you wish [13:29] rodrigo_, yeah, saw that... bzr is upset with one of them [13:29] kenvandine, yeah, poke chad about it [13:30] will figure that out today [13:30] kenvandine, oh, which one? [13:30] i think it was couchdb-glib [13:30] bzr is complaining about format or something [13:30] but it isn't the usual upgrade to 2a thing [13:30] like i can't even checkout the ~ubuntu-desktop branch [13:31] asac - i'm not sure now, but cheese used to do that a few releases ago [13:31] asac, there is no really clean way to it with cdbs [13:31] asac, you can look to gnome-menus for example [13:31] kenvandine, hmm [13:32] rodrigo_, i am wondering if it is a bug in the bzr version in maverick [13:32] i haven't tried it on a lucid box yet [13:33] kenvandine, it might be, my branch was created and pushed on lucid, from the ~ubuntu-desktop one [13:34] yeah [13:34] i figured [13:34] i have a dusty lucid VM i'll boot up in a bit :) [13:35] :) [13:36] seb128: chrisccoulson: thanks [13:38] yay, LP is back \o/ [13:39] pitti: ok, if I launch the postinst manually, I get no error and the %gconf-tree.xml are generated. Is it allowed to make an upload with set -ex + some debug info in the postinst script and make a respin and have more logs? I'm kinda stuck TBH [13:39] bug #588478 [13:39] Launchpad bug 588478 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "RuntimeError: Can not find port of couchdb. (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588478 [13:40] didrocks: sounds fine to me, sure; you can then look at the dailies [13:40] pitti: thanks, making the change now [13:40] didrocks: note that we probably won't re-enable the daily cronjobs before Friday or Monday [13:41] but it's not that urgent anyway [13:41] pitti: not a problem, thanks :) === cking-afk is now known as cking [13:49] didrocks: on the bright side, standard netbook OEM install works just fine here :) (except the issue above) [13:50] pitti: I'm just able to reproduce it installing ubuntu-netbook-default-settings manually here, will be easier to debug [13:50] ah, nice [13:50] once installed "sudo var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings.postinst configure" works like a charm though [13:55] seb128, pygobject bug filed at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygobject/+bug/588694 -- I'm not sure how to link it to upstream https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589253, and I'm not sure that the test case is useful (I'd do a pure pygobject test case that doesn't involve Rhythmbox but I don't really understand the problem well enough to do that). Feel free to change it any way you thi [13:55] nk necessary. [13:55] Launchpad bug 588694 in pygobject (Ubuntu) "null-ok parameter annotation not correctly handled for virtual methods (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [13:55] good morning [13:56] aquarius, hey, thank you! [13:57] pitti: clearly turning mad: http://paste.ubuntu.com/443328/ [13:58] didrocks: urgh [13:59] didrocks: does the "default" call somehow overwrite the "mandatory" one? [13:59] didrocks: perhaps add an ls in between in the postinst? [13:59] pitti: hum, good idea, it shouldn't, but let's check [14:00] didrocks: personally, my next step would be to wrap the calls into strace -fvvo /tmp/update-gconf.$$.log [14:01] didrocks: and/or annotate /usr/bin/update-gconf-defaults with debugging stuff [14:01] * pitti wants a "sh -x" like option for python [14:02] pitti: that makes sense. Maybe a recent change of update-gconf-defaults make it doesn't like using it twice in a row. Thanks for the suggestion [14:05] I'll have a look at recent update-gconf-defaults change too (I confirm that none of the file are never ever created in the postinst) [14:06] the schemas registration got moved to triggers [14:06] there is maybe a bug there [14:07] seb128: well, this is just default with update-gconf-defaults, not schemas, right? [14:07] right [14:07] but maybe the schemas defaults registration changes as well [14:07] I didn't check [14:08] hum, I'll have a look [14:09] * update-gconf-defaults, gconf-schemas: do nothing when called from [14:09] dpkg, except from gconf2.postinst itself. [14:09] in 2.28.1-2 [14:10] right === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [14:10] it's a trigger now [14:10] hum, not nice at all for me that :) [14:10] can't you just use the trigger? [14:11] yeah, adding it to the corresponding directories for une [14:12] didrocks: banshee-meego is in experimental now, fyi [14:13] Laney: 1.7.1-1, sweet, thanks. I'll check the banshee release as I don't know if we will go with 1.8 (if they use gsettings and so on) :) [14:15] didrocks, we can go with 1.8 [14:15] we get the platform updated [14:16] shouldn't be an issue for random applications to update [14:16] we need to be careful for things which use shared keys etc though [14:18] seb128, bonjour, how are you? [14:18] hey pedro_ [14:18] I'm fine thanks [14:18] what about you? [14:18] seb128, I'm good too, thanks ;-) [14:18] pedro_, could you test the telepathy-butterfly update and confirm msn is still working btw? [14:18] no need to confirm that proxy works [14:19] but we need at least to confirm it doesn't break other things [14:19] seb128, can we have gnome-terminal 2.30.1 into lucid ? the upstream maintainer is complaining about the version we're shipping there said it's buggy [14:19] seb128, yeap i'll have a look into that [14:19] didrocks, mvo: ^ [14:19] pedro_, thanks [14:20] you're welcome [14:21] seb128: ok for banshee [14:22] didrocks, let me know if we should sync the new version, you might want to check with the banshee Debian,Ubuntu maintainers though [14:22] seb128: do you need hands for gnome-terminal update (not sure about the second hilight) [14:22] didrocks, would be nice if you or mvo could do it [14:22] I'm doing 80% of the desktop srus atm and still have quite some on my list [14:22] seb128: trying to fix the ubuntu-netbook-settings-blabla think first and on it then [14:22] I would be happy to let this one to somebody who do work on the package usually [14:23] I've no problem with you syncing it [14:23] I try to not work on packages I don't touch usually [14:23] seb128: yeah, I'll check the banshee diff, IIRC we are in sync [14:23] Laney, do you have an opinion on 1.8 for this cycle? [14:23] Laney, stability, coming changes, gsettings [14:24] Laney, I've no doubt we can sync I'm rather wondering if we should think about going for 1.8 [14:24] Not sure what they are doing with regard to the platform, but yes I think that aiming for the next stable is the right thing [14:24] anyone have a link to the "push my new awesome app I just wrote in quickly into the software center for the stable release" spec? [14:25] jcastro, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-opportunistic-apps-stable-release [14:26] thanks! [14:26] you're welcome [14:40] pitti: ok, I've a fix, do you think it will worth a respin? [14:41] didrocks: nah, it's fine; it's just alpha-1, the main point of which is to test the merged installer and new kernel [14:41] didrocks: what was it? great that you figured it out! [14:41] didrocks: also, folks can just dist-upgrade to get the fix [14:41] at this point, only major installation failures are worth a respin [14:42] pitti: gconf is now using a trigger (kudos to seb128 for mentionning it :)) and so, update-gconf-defaults doesn't work from dpkg [14:50] aah [14:53] kenvandine, that bug (bug #588478), you see it on maverick, right? [14:53] Launchpad bug 588478 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "RuntimeError: Can not find port of couchdb. (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588478 [14:53] yes [14:53] ok [15:16] kenvandine, hi [15:16] hey rickspencer3 [15:16] kenvandine, is there an API for identi.ca? [15:17] yup [15:17] thinking about using it for the sample app for the developer manual [15:17] cool [15:18] i don't know much about it [15:18] that is segphault's area of expertise [15:18] kenvandine, do you know where the API is? [15:18] or is it all form posts? [15:18] not sure [15:18] i think they have something REST [15:18] but anything i know about it is from talking to ryan [15:18] ah [15:19] so it's all urllib2? [15:19] think so [15:20] gwibber uses pycurl though [15:20] pycurl? [15:20] interesting [15:20] I guess he needs that to handle auth [15:21] we switched to pycurl to fix some bugs [15:21] urllib2 was causing hangs on facebook [15:21] never figured out why, but pycurl worked reliably [15:21] with facebook urllib2 would just never finish getting the result [15:22] weird [15:22] looks like gwibber does a post to submit a status update [15:22] it was weird [15:22] but the rest of the methods are downloading json [15:22] but i think there is something better [15:22] just requires oauth or xauth [15:22] i think [15:22] which we will move to [15:24] rickspencer3, http://status.net/docs/api/index.html [15:25] cool [15:25] thanks kenvandine [15:25] so that is post [15:25] looks like they have plans to write a "native API" [15:26] whatever that means :) [15:26] they also have a twitter compatible api http://status.net/wiki/Twitter-compatible_API [15:26] meh [15:26] that document seems to have much more in it [15:26] might be a better reference [15:28] interesting [15:29] kenvandine, I think I'll just start with getting a public feed from identi.ca using urllib2, parse that with beautifulsoup, and then stuff it into a DictionaryGrid [15:29] that should get things going quickly [15:30] later we can use gio to get the data asynchronously, maybe [15:31] seb128: hum, new gnome-terminal needs a new libvte, not sure we want to update that into an SRU [15:32] didrocks, tricky [15:32] I think the new version doesn't build [15:32] udeb build issue [15:32] pedro_, ^ [15:33] seb128: yeah, it's not there was only one rdepends :) [15:33] like* [15:35] Hello. I have configured my Ubuntu 10.04 with LDAP. At logon, appear a list of users who have previously logged. How can I remove these "cached" users? I only want to appear the box to write the username and password. [15:36] tintin, hi, try #ubuntu [15:36] seb128, thanks, i have tried but im trying in others because anyone knows [15:37] look to open gdm bugs [15:37] there is one about it with the gconftool command [15:41] seb128, ok, thanks [15:41] i hate when they do that, put new lib requirements so late during the cycle... [16:12] james_w: waow, when you have a git/svn version bzr bd -e will download the distribution home made tarball, that rocks! [16:13] didrocks: thank jelmer :-) [16:13] didrocks, using the deb-src you mean to get the source? [16:13] james_w: I'll for sure :-) [16:13] seb128: it seems to have taken that, not sure of the internal [16:14] that's not really new is it? [16:14] it does that since I use bzr bd [16:14] seems the logical way to get the current source ;-) [16:14] maybe, I just never noticed it as most of the time I do "$bzr bd -e -r <…>" and it looks at debian/watch [16:18] Hi! i have an ubuntu 10.04 installation and i have a problem. At logon i select the language i want to work but when start i see that some programs take effect and appears with the language i select, but the system menus does not have the language, any ideas? i see that if i select the language after login on system --> language support everything goes ok [16:19] tintin, hiya [16:19] fyi ... this channel is where developers who are developing the desktop hang out [16:19] we're not much equipped for support questions [16:19] that's generally in #ubuntu [16:20] you're welcome to hang out here, of course [16:20] if you are debugging the code so that you can produce a patch or etc..., then we are equipped to help you with that [16:21] rickspencer3, ok, sorry and thanks [16:22] tintin, no apologies necessary, I just didn't want you to suffer waiting for an [16:22] like I say, you are welcome to hang out [16:40] bye everyone, see you all on Monday! === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk [17:20] chrisccoulson: Sorry everyone started jumping on gnome-session for compiz not starting. I _told_ them at least some of the cases of this problem are because compiz.real is gone [17:21] Amaranth - yes, that breaks sessions after upgrading for users that use session saving [17:21] But apparently adding a compiz.real symlink doesn't help for these people either so they just duped the bug I was commenting on to bug 467668 and dropped the compiz part [17:21] Launchpad bug 467668 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start (affects: 37) (dups: 3) (heat: 196)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/467668 === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [17:22] Although honestly I'd say gnome-session not handling compiz.real going away is a bug too ;) [17:24] gnome-session could probably handle that better [17:25] Wow, just realized that broke karmic->lucid upgrades and hardy->lucid upgrades [17:25] That kind of thing should probably be added to the standard QA testing before release [17:26] Amaranth: that is bug 498203 , chrisccoulson remember this one? found it early in lucid [17:26] Launchpad bug 498203 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Session starts without any window manager , if saved session is broken (affects: 6) (heat: 28)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/498203 [17:26] it should only be broken for people using session saving though, and that didn't even work in hardy IIRC [17:26] vish - yeah, that's the one [17:27] chrisccoulson: I thought the gnome-session that broke it was in intrepid [17:27] s/broke it/dropped it as a useless feature without user input/ [17:27] :D [17:28] Amaranth - yeah, that's right actually. but the session management worked quite differently in hardy, i wouldn't expect that problem to break hardy -> lucid upgrades [17:29] chrisccoulson: That depends, does the new gnome-session have code to read from ~/.gnome2/session? [17:30] Amaranth - it doesn't. and it doesn't have the concept of X-GNOME-Provides either IIRC, which is what breaks it [17:30] ah [17:30] chrisccoulson: huh? The new gnome-session definitely knows about X-GNOME-Provides [17:30] oh, maybe it does [17:30] vuntz - i'm talking about the old one ;) [17:31] on maverick (an upgrade from lucid) I just tried to "sudo apt-get install mplayer" and got: "mplayer: Depends: libdirectfb-1.2-0 but it is not going to be installed" [17:31] what's the right thing to do here? [17:31] chrisccoulson: hrm, okay, I guess I should read more carefully the discussion, then ;-) [17:31] vuntz - some users have a saved session which doesn't work after upgrading, because compiz binary got renamed [17:32] so the desktop file with X-GNOME-Provides=windowmanager in the saved session doesn't actually work [17:32] arg [17:32] and users end up without a window manager [17:32] chrisccoulson: bug in gnome-session [17:32] You guys figured out this bug like 2 weeks after I made the change that got rid of compiz.real [17:32] And I didn't hear about it until like a month before release and only recently figured it out [17:32] vuntz - yeah, i think i might have mentioned it to you already [17:32] i would work on a patch, but i don't really work on gnome stuff atm ;) [17:33] I had a patch to rework the provides stuff [17:33] it's a bit broken for another reason (forgot which reason, but well...) [17:55] anyone happen to be processing sync requests today that can do a couple for me? 588812, 588813 === fta is now known as fta_afk === fta_afk is now known as fta [21:50] hey seb128 [21:51] seb128: is there no gnome-session-remove anymore? I have gnome-session trying to start metacity for me currently (but xfwm4 is running because metacity is so crashy on maverick) [21:57] not for some cycle no [21:57] the crashy issue should have been fixed today [21:57] robert_ancell did an upgrade [22:02] mvo_, ^ [22:02] aha, cool [22:02] thanks! [22:36] mvo_! [22:37] asac, you should be sleeping by now! [22:37] hey asac - what TZ are you currently in? [22:37] speaking of which time to go to bed ;-) [22:37] 'night [22:37] yeah [22:37] here too [22:37] 'night mvo_ [22:37] enjoy your weekend [22:37] you too [22:37] * mvo_ waves [22:38] mvo_: i finally moved to antarctica ... there i can easily switch timezones by walking a few meters ;) [22:39] asac: I knew it ;) [22:40] asac: longer days too [22:40] so its easier to get more done [22:41] it's a bit cold there at this time of year [22:42] s/at this time/at any time/ [22:42] :P [22:42] * mvo_ really should go to bed now before he becomes even more silly [22:44] 'night mvo_ [22:46] night asac and ajmitch [22:46] byebye