[00:17] <kees> lool: hm, mplayer did not like the directfb bump...
[05:23] <pitti> Good morning
[06:08] <pitti> superm1, Daviey: do you care about the mythbuntu amd64 oversizedness for alpha-1? If so, can you chop off some langpacks or so (11 MB) and ask for a re-spin?
[06:09] <pitti> or are you interested in mythbuntu alpha-1 at all?
[06:09] <superm1> pitti, langpacks?
[06:09] <superm1> we don't do langpacks at all :)
[06:09] <pitti> oh
[06:09] <superm1> pitti, i'd say a1 isn't interesting yet, so no worries
[06:09] <pitti> superm1: understood
[06:09] <superm1> we haven't made any changes of significance for a1 at least
[06:09] <pitti> superm1: so I won't post them to the tracker then
[06:09] <superm1> pitti, awesome, thanks
[06:09] <pitti> superm1: I agree; we can test kernel etc. through ubuntu/kubuntu
[06:09] <pitti> and there's not much else so far
[06:10] <pitti> well, installer and merges of course
[06:17] <mneptok> remove X. it will take a lot of other big packages with it. "Mythbuntu. Enjoy your favorite videos as ACII art."
[06:17] <mneptok> *ASCII
[06:17] <mneptok> as a proof-of-concept, telnet to towel.blinkenlights,nl
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[08:13] <hrw> morning
[12:29] <hrw> mneptok: towel is very low ascii... "aptitude install bb" is more ascii
[12:29] <netshine> hey all.
[12:37] <netshine> hello all, i want to be an ubuntu developer and want to be an "Ubuntu Prospective Developers", is this program still work?
[12:47] <BlackZ> netshine: you could start to do that without any problem
[12:48] <BlackZ> netshine: eventually you could apply for MOTU and then ubuntu core dev
[12:49] <netshine> BlackZ, that be great, im a computer science student and a java developer and using ubuntu science warty warthog
[12:49] <netshine> :)
[12:49] <BlackZ> netshine: a good way is to start by doing the packaging of the applications, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted and if you have any question packaging-related please ask in #ubuntu-motu
[12:50] <netshine> and i was trying to do some command (bzr: ERROR: connection closed. unexpected end of message. please check connetivity and permissions
[12:52] <BlackZ> netshine: what are you trying to push?
[12:52] <netshine> bzr branch lp:ubnutu/seccure seccure
[12:52] <netshine> just like here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/GettingTheSource (2a)
[12:53] <BlackZ> netshine: are you getting "Permission denied (publickey)." first?
[12:53] <netshine> nope .
[12:53] <netshine> first i get:
[12:53] <chrisccoulson> launchpad is undergoing maintenance
[12:53] <netshine> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[12:53] <chrisccoulson> that probably explains it
[12:54] <netshine> oh, so i cant connect to launchpad? :-0
[12:54] <ogra> though its supposed to only block the web UI
[12:54] <BlackZ> netshine: I think that's the problem, as chrisccoulson said
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> http://identi.ca/launchpadstatus
[12:54] <ogra> seems ot be a bug that bazaar.lp.net is locked
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> "Change to Launchpad roll-out time: the web UI will be read-only, other aspects offline"
[12:55] <netshine> oh. :-0
[12:55] <netshine> too bad why now :! :)
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[12:55] <netshine> anyway, im in the right way?
[12:55] <netshine> (Sponsorship process)
[12:55] <ogra> netshine, to make releasing the milestone of ubuntu maverick more exciting :)
[12:56] <BlackZ> netshine: have you did something packaging-related ?
[12:56] <netshine> ogra, how can i do it?
[12:56] <netshine> BlackZ, no, :-(
[12:56] <netshine> but i am a java developer, and c also.
[12:56] <BlackZ> netshine: that's a good way, for the packaging isn't required an high level of development experience
[12:57] <ogra> netshine, wait until LP is back in RW mode
[12:57] <netshine> np.:)
[12:57] <netshine> so theres another way to be a "offical developer"
[12:57] <netshine> officially
[12:57] <netshine> **
[12:58] <BlackZ> netshine: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers
[12:58] <netshine> i was reading it, because of that i am here.
[12:58] <BlackZ> it's sure that you can't become a developer in 2 days but with the time I think you can
[12:59] <netshine> of course, 2 days its impossible target.
[12:59] <netshine> but i want to know, if "ubuntu prospective developers" is the right way, or there a different way to do so.
[12:59] <BlackZ> e.g. 6 months are enough for become a MOTU, if you have demostrated your skills
[12:59] <BlackZ> (merge, packaging work, bug fix ...)
[13:00] <highvoltage> hey BlackZ
[13:00] <BlackZ> hi highvoltage
[13:00] <BlackZ> netshine: "prospective developers" is the first way
[13:01] <netshine> BlackZ, i think i will be happy to be more then motu (no offense)
[13:01] <BlackZ> netshine: if you're able to do why not?
[13:01] <netshine> :-)
[13:02] <BlackZ> but I'd join the MOTU team first
[13:02] <ogra> you have to ...
[13:02] <highvoltage> BlackZ: I saw your contributing developer application, glad that you're following through
[13:02] <netshine> ok, so to looked more information about MOTU?
[13:02] <ogra> you have to either be MOTU or a delegated team developer before applying for core-dev
[13:02] <BlackZ> netshine: read all pages on the wiki
[13:02] <BlackZ> they're very clear
[13:03] <BlackZ> highvoltage: well, I will try to join that
[13:04] <netshine> ogasawara, delegated team, require me to be a ubuntu member, and i think im not will fit to them.
[13:04] <netshine> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/netshine
[13:04] <BlackZ> netshine: if you join the MOTU team you will be an ubuntu member too
[13:05] <netshine> oh yes, i can see now... better start working on that :-)
[13:06] <BlackZ> also, for join the MOTU team the ubuntu membership isn't required
[13:06] <BlackZ> as you can become an ubuntu member joining it, as I said
[13:07] <netshine> i understand you, and i reading now the "getting started with motu"
[13:07] <netshine> :0)
[13:08] <highvoltage> netshine: there's a channel #ubuntu-motu which is a great place to get going and also has some important links in the topic you might want to look at
[13:09] <netshine> highvoltage, thank you, will working it now.
[13:12] <netshine> seems like a mute-channel over there
[13:12] <netshine> :-0
[13:12] <netshine> ogra, when you talked before about ubuntu maverick
[13:12] <netshine> you talked about "preparing new revisions?"
[13:13] <ogra> alpha1 is in the works, yes
[13:13] <netshine> i dont know what to choose :_)
[13:13] <netshine> Preparing Patches | Preparing new Revisions |  Preparing New Packages
[13:14] <netshine> what the most recommended "class?"
[13:14] <netshine> :)
[13:15] <netshine> launchpad works fine now..
[13:58] <pitti> mthaddon: thanks for finishing early :)
[14:12] <\sh> gnarf
[14:13] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Bonded network interfaces must use hotplug-style configuration <- this doesn't work in karmic, but lucid release note says it was introduced in karmic...
[14:42] <mthaddon> pitti: no problem - glad to be able to get it all back up quicker than expected
[14:42] <Riddell> ccheney: you mentioned that openoffice uses poor fonts if ttf-liberation isn't installed, is there a bug for that or could you report a one (against kubuntu-meta) with a quick explanation so we can do the SRU?
[14:42] <ccheney> Riddell, ok will do
[14:55] <ccheney> Riddell, 588723
[14:58] <Riddell> thanks ccheney
[14:59] <ccheney> Riddell, actually it probably happens for all of the fonts listed as 'Microsoft Fonts' falling back to 'PostScript Fonts' which are incompatible, eg Arial as well, etc
[15:01] <ccheney> i think we need both nimbus for postscript and liberation for microsoft installed on all systems using fonts
[15:01] <ccheney> at least from what i can tell
[15:08] <smoser> cjwatson, are you aware of anything that changed in maverick that would have resulted in generation of ssh private keys during boot ?
[15:08] <cjwatson> no
[15:09] <Keybuk> doesn't the ssh init script generate them if they're missing?
[15:09] <soren> Keybuk: No :(
[15:09] <smoser> hmm... so in the UEC images, i remove the ssh server's private and public keys. then, on boot, they're generated by cloud-init.
[15:09] <soren> Keybuk: bug 246558
[15:10] <smoser> the test cases i have keyscan, save the output to a known hosts, and then ssh to the host
[15:10] <smoser> in 1 instance out of 100+, i received a "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED"
[15:11] <smoser> ie, it changed between when i keyscanned and when i subsequently sshed.
[15:13] <showard> Hi I wanted to draw attention to bug #588714 . Debian's python-debian changed it's package name from debian_bundle to "debian," so every autoimport that uses javahelper and other tools that "import debian.deb822" failed.
[15:14] <showard> I started working on it, but have to head off to work (another ubuntu package is causing a problem somewhere, I posted it on the bug report)
[15:15] <showard> here's an example buildlog from one of the autoimports http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49513348/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.arduino_0018%2Bdfsg-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:15] <showard> the packages will build (and will need to be rebuilt) once bug #588714 is fixed
[15:19] <smoser> TheMuso, are you around ?
[15:20] <smoser> using mumble we've bound the windows key to "push to talk", but ever so often, some combination of keys results in a seriously zoomed display.
[15:20] <smoser> we dont' know how to get out of that mode
[15:20] <smoser> anyone able to help ?
[15:21] <apw> smoser, its something like windows and a number
[15:21] <arand> smoser: windowskey+scrollwheel
[15:22] <smoser> arand, thank you!
[15:23] <arand> smoser: It's the compiz zoom, if you hold down the superkey and click with the middle mouse button, you can drag a "zoom box" what happens is that if you just click, the zoom box is minimal, and you zoom in as far as at possibly goes.
[15:24] <apw> smb, yeah and you can simply turn that off in the compiz-settings manager
[15:24] <apw> under 'enhanced desktop zoom'
[15:25] <apw> smoser, ^^ not smb
[15:25] <smoser> apw, yeah, thanks.
[15:25] <smb> *phew*
[15:25] <arand> I wonder if it shouldn't be a papercut, since I've had a couple of people with similar issues...
[15:26] <ion> Perhaps just a small box in a screen corner saying “to scroll out, hold down the Windows key and use the scroll wheel” while zoomed in. And it could fade out over a period of, say, 10 seconds. :-P
[15:27] <ion> zoom out
[15:28] <Keybuk> I still haven't found anything I can use for mumble push-to-talk that doesn't do something else
[15:30] <arand> ion: Well, the quickest solution is simply to disable the "zoom box" accelerator by default.. But I guess it could be done in a nicer way, if time be.
[15:31] <smoser> Keybuk, so, you were hoping to find a key on your keyboard that did *nothing* else ?
[15:32] <smoser> it really doesn't seem likely that at this point there wouldn't be a key that no one had ever said "hey, that doesn't do anything else, i'll bind to it"
[15:32] <Keybuk> smoser: I even tried using the extra mouse buttons that I've never clicked - but it turns out they do other things too
[15:33] <Keybuk> it's not so much a key that does nothing else
[15:33] <Keybuk> but finding something that doesn't have a side-effect
[15:33] <Keybuk> right now when I'm talking on mumble, I have to stop using my computer entirely and make sure no window is focussed, and make sure the mouse is pointing at the desktop
[15:33] <Keybuk> just to avoid unintended side-effects
[15:33] <Keybuk> that seems pessimal
[15:33] <smoser> yeah, thats why we've used the windows key.
[15:34] <Keybuk> I use the Windows key all the time for window management
[15:34] <Ng> how about Pause? :)
[15:34] <Keybuk> Ng: the BREAK key? :p  try pressing that in a terminal
[15:35] <Ng> it's not Break until I hit Fn-Pause on this kb
[15:35] <james_w> I'd quite like to be able to rebind caps-lock as a toggle
[15:35] <cjwatson> right-control works well for me.  it probably does something else, but not much important
[15:35] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I use right-control when typing
[15:35] <Keybuk> for the keys on the RHS of the keyboard
[15:35] <Keybuk> likewise right-shift, etc.
[15:35] <cjwatson> I think my habits are otherwise so it works out
[15:36]  * popey puts http://www.find-me-a-gift.co.uk/the-panic-button-usb-toy.html on Keybuks christmas list
[15:36] <Keybuk> lol
[15:37] <Keybuk> didn't slangasek have one of those? :)
[15:37] <popey> i can only imagine shouting after pressing one of those.
[15:42] <ion> There’s the Emergency Power Off circuit in my UPS. One could connect a big red button to it. That would be fun.
[15:45] <smoser> well, i sorted out my issue with apparent ssh keychanging.  i had started 5 instances, shut them down, and started them back up. on restart, they get different IP addresses than the first time.  this is the first time that it has happened in my tests that an instance got an IP on restart that was used by a different instance on first start.
[15:49] <ion> Huh. My Ubuntu desktop shows ♥ U+2665 as a pair of eighth notes instead of the heart symbol.
[15:49] <ion> With the Monospace font alias.
[16:11] <hrw> ion: switch to Terminus font
[16:11] <taavikko> is it a bug in gst-plugins-good or in gst-bad when: The following packages have unmet dependencies: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good: Conflicts: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad (< 0.10.18.2) but 0.10.18-2ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[16:12] <hrw> popey: this toy does not work under linux
[16:12] <popey> :(
[16:12] <hrw> popey: it is recognized as input device but does not generate keycodes (at least did not when I got such one)
[16:12] <hrw> but let me recheck
[16:13] <popey> there are lots available of different types, maybe the canonical store could make one and sell it as a "mumble button"
[16:13] <hrw> [105744.676595] generic-usb 0003:1130:0202.0005: input,hidraw4: USB HID v1.10 Device [Panic Button] on usb-0000:00:1a.7-4.4.4/input1
[16:15] <hrw> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/443405/
[16:15] <popey> booo
[16:15] <hrw> same on event5
[16:16] <hrw> ~curse xinput for 8bit keycodes
[16:18] <gord> hrw, disable capslock in keyboard preferences and use that? or maybe use the middle mouse button
[16:19] <\sh> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download -> 64-bit - Not recommended for daily desktop usage ... who came up with this idea
[16:20] <hrw> gord: ?
[16:20] <superm1> \sh, until multiarch is in place and /stable/ flash perhaps
[16:20] <gord> hrw, sorry, not you Keybuk
[16:20] <\sh> superm1, come on... 64bit + chromium flash
[16:20] <\sh> works very nicely
[16:21] <\sh> that's all a simple user needs
[16:21] <hrw> doko: are you able to crosscompile gcc-4.5/maverick?
[16:21] <doko> hrw: haven't tried
[16:22] <hrw> doko: gcc-4.4/maverick crossbuilds fine
[16:22] <superm1> stable as in blessed from adobe, i mean, not 'works for me for the sites i visit reliably'
[16:23] <hrw> doko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/443411/ - I should report that as a bug with attachment - right?
[16:23] <hrw> doko: that change is needed to pass "echo armel >debian/target;fakeroot debian/rules control" step
[16:24] <\sh> superm1, well...I can't confirm that statement...my wife works with 64bit Ubuntu since hardy and she's happy, which means I'm happy too ... ;)
[16:25] <hrw> \sh: as long as she avoids adobe flash it is fine
[16:25] <doko> hrw: sure, is this all what is needed?
[16:26] <\sh> hrw, she uses it now on lucid just with chromium-browser
[16:27] <hrw> doko: just to pass control target. "fakeroot debian/rules binary" fails with http://paste.ubuntu.com/443415/
[16:30] <hrw> doko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/443417/ is full log
[16:32] <ScottK> mvo_: Kubuntu is very usable right now .... (re #ubuntu-meeting)
[16:32] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:33] <slangasek> Keybuk: yes, it registers as a USB HID device supporting LED only
[16:33] <mvo_> ScottK: heh :)
[16:34] <\sh> ScottK, on monday I had the kde screensaver running for at least 3 hours...when I came back, everything scattered and somehow it looked like a CPU blast or mem leak...I have to repeat it at some time...:(
[16:46] <doko> hrw: hmm, need to find out why the plugin support isn't detected for cross builds
[16:47] <hrw> doko: ok
[16:47] <hrw> doko: in meantime I will work with gcc-4.4/lucid
[16:48] <hrw> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.5/+bug/588788 has patch for gcc-4.5/debian/patches/cross-fixes.diff
[16:48] <doko> hrw: I thought you were working on the cross builds?
[16:49] <hrw> doko: I can look at the plugin problem
[16:53] <Q-FUNK> re
[16:53] <cjwatson> Q-FUNK: I can't find your bug number
[16:53]  * hyperair wonders if anyone from motu-sru is around
[16:54] <Q-FUNK> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/587186
[16:54] <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/587186
[16:54] <Q-FUNK> argh
[16:55] <Q-FUNK> ubuttu went belly up?
[16:55] <cjb> Hi folks.  geode doesn't have NOPL, which is an long form of nop that isn't particularly documented, and not officially part of i686, but gcc has started emitting it anyway.
[16:55] <Q-FUNK> cjb: thanks for joining.  we were discusing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/587186 and I could not rememebr which instruction the Geode LX is missing to become a full 686.
[16:56] <doko> hrw: are you sure about http://paste.ubuntu.com/443411/plain? removing the #endif, but keeping the #ifdef?
[16:56] <hrw> doko: checked file and it looks for me like matched endifs - will compare with 4.4
[16:57] <Q-FUNK> cjb: or for that matter whether the GX2 and older GX1 and SC geodes also have the same instruction set.
[16:58] <cjwatson> what did the gcc folks say when this was raised with them?
[17:01]  * cjwatson trawls through what looks like the relevant lkml thread
[17:02] <doko> hrw: hmm, doubt it, the file already starts with a '#ifndef inhibit_libc'
[17:02] <hrw> doko: marked bug as invalid
[17:02] <cjwatson> -mtune=generic32 is supposed to prevent the NOPL business
[17:02] <hrw> will prepare better fix to get patch apply
[17:03] <cjwatson> doko: ^- would it be worth setting the equivalent of that in our specs?
[17:03] <cjwatson> cf. http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/9/8/296
[17:04] <cjwatson> see also the description for X86_P6_NOP in linux/arch/x86/Kconfig.cpu
[17:05] <cjwatson> doko: (shall I add a gcc-4.4 task to Q-FUNK's bug for this?)
[17:10] <Q-FUNK> cjwatson: if we can fix it with this simpe -mtune=generic32, let's try it.
[17:10] <Q-FUNK> cjwatson: I can report on the results, if the gcc-4.4 task is added and libc6 recompiled with it.
[17:22] <Q-FUNK> cjwatson: I added the nit about -mtune to the bug.
[17:27] <ccheney> what do i need to do to request a package from debian that isn't currently in Ubuntu? i need both mdds and mythes to be pulled in
[17:27] <Q-FUNK> ccheney: requestsync with the new package option
[17:27] <ccheney> Q-FUNK, ah ok, i was wondering if it was similar to a regular sync
[17:28] <Q-FUNK> ccheney: requestsync -n
[17:28] <ccheney> Q-FUNK, thanks for the help :)
[17:28] <Q-FUNK> welcome :)
[17:33] <blue_anna> hey, anyone here understand argyll ?
[17:51] <hrw> doko: http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/branches/gcc-4_5-branch/gcc/config/sh/linux-unwind.h?r1=138078&r2=145442 - I will drop that part from cross-fixes.diff then
[17:53] <LucidFox> So, which theme in Maverick was it again that had CSD enabled?
[18:01] <doko> cjwatson: will look at it tomorrow, leaving now
[18:03] <cjwatson> thanks
[18:05] <akgraner> robbiew, you around?  If so do you 5-or 10 mins
[18:15] <robbiew> akgraner: yep
[18:28] <Keybuk> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4824
[18:28] <Keybuk> I was doing ok until I saw the code for "Error", then I squeed
[18:49] <lamont> evince (well, libpdf) is pissing me off
[18:50] <lamont> there are these stupid pdfs on the web with a null password.  pdfcrack correctly finds it.  And yet evince has no way for me to provide a null password to the UI
[20:47] <smoser> soren, fyi, regarding ext4 and --part: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/0.11
[20:48] <smoser> its somewhat hacky, but commit 374 there has it.
[20:53] <jono> is gwibber broken for you folks in maverick?
[21:10] <arand> jono: there is some desktopcouch thingy...
[21:13] <arand> jono: Bug #588478
[21:43] <ccheney> anyone around that can sync two packages for me? :)
[21:44] <ajmitch> apparantly it can be done by that syncpackage script now, but I don't know if I should trust it yet :)
[21:45] <ccheney> they are universe packages so shouldn't affect the alpha 1 freeze, and don't exist in ubuntu atm
[21:48] <ajmitch> normal autosync has a bit of a queue still for new packages?
[21:48] <ccheney> well its not syncing two i need for OOo in any case, not sure why though
[21:48] <ccheney> i need mdds, and mythes for OOo 3.2.1
[21:48] <ajmitch> probably because they get at least a bit of a manual review
[21:49] <ccheney> ok
[21:51] <ScottK> Actually not, it's because getting new packages is a different script then just a regular sync.
[21:53] <ajmitch> ScottK: glad to know I'm wrong, either way an archive admin needs to look at them?
[21:53] <ScottK> No.  We trust Debian ftp-master to get stuff right.
[21:54] <ScottK> If they don't, we're already hosed on many levels.
[21:55] <geser> AFAIK the archive admins check if syncing new packages doesn't re-introduce packages that got removed from Ubuntu in the past
[21:56] <ScottK> That's true.
[21:56] <geser> and this a cumbersome task with a long list of new packages
[21:57] <Laney> If you need one specifically then just file a request or poke an AA with shell access
[22:43] <tormod> should demoting/seed-dropping bugs have ubuntu-archive subscribed?
[22:44] <cjwatson> yes
[22:44] <cjwatson> well, if it's urgent
[22:44] <tormod> cjwatson, not really urgent
[22:45] <tormod> bug 588935
[23:09] <doko> cjwatson: the -mtune=generic32 is an assembler switch, not a compiler switch, prepared an upload to pass this by default, will upload after the alpha
[23:11] <cjwatson> doko: cool, thanks
[23:36] <TheMuso> smoser: I am now.
[23:38] <ccheney> doko, uploading OOo 3.2.1 tomorrow with -marm removed as you requested, let me know if it needs to be added back later :)