[00:19] elmo: I don't seem to be able to connect to limequat (getting connection time out from both Canada and Germany). Could you make sure that I have access to whatever the host of the ISO tracker is ? (IIRC during the release madness it had to be moved and I lost access which should have either been restored on limequat or the website moved to quandong where I already have ssh access) [00:19] marjo: ^ FYI [05:23] Good morning [05:33] ah, so my trigger worked and all live CDs built [05:53] argh, ubuntu/amd64 still has the old kernel [05:57] I fixed the netbook oversizedness, will respin as well [06:11] pitti: It's very late here and I need to go pass out, but it looks like in the kubuntu-common seed kdebase-plasma recommends needs to be replaced with plasma-widget-folderview. That should fix the latest Kubuntu Netbook ISO failure (and I suspect Kubuntu Desktop as well). [06:11] ScottK: ah, I was just going to look at why kubuntu failed to build [06:11] If not, Riddell ^^^ could you have a look if pitti can't get to it? [06:11] Great. [06:11] ScottK: oh, sure I can [06:11] yes, that was the one we tried to get rid of yesterday [06:12] We need to totally drop that transitional package, but it can wait until after the milestone if we just get it unseeded. [06:12] I'll change the seeds/rebuild/etc. [06:13] ScottK: hm, I don't see kdebase-plasma any more in the seeds, anywhere [06:13] * ScottK looks again [06:14] but the -meta package still pulls it in [06:14] might just need a rebuild? [06:14] pitti: Do the seeds lag on people.canonical.com? [06:14] * pitti just looking at bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.maverick/ [06:14] ScottK: anyway, I'll track it down [06:14] OK. On p.c.c it still shows in kubuntu-common. [06:15] Good night. [06:16] ah, no, meta is ok; I was looking at lucid's [06:52] ok, now I need to wait for the next publisher run to get the new amd64 kernel; back in an hour [06:54] cjwatson: kdebase-plasma still has "Task: kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-netbook", but it doesn't appear at all in lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.maverick, nor does it have any rdepends; any idea? [07:28] morning all! [07:30] pitti, morning [07:31] pitti, how is alpha 1 going? I guess we are respining, aren't we? [07:31] hey ara [07:32] ara: still waiting for the amd64 kernel to publish, then I can build desktop CDs [07:33] my amd64 desktop test install (with unionfs-fuse) is almost done; I wanted to do a smoketest before [07:33] pitti, what about the alternates? I've seen in the tracker that they are yesterday's builds [07:33] ara: not sure about them; they seem to work quite well [07:34] pitti, OK, nice :) [07:34] ara: we can respin to grab the newer d-i to fix the rescue mode thing [07:34] but otherwise I don't see major fixes for them, do you? [07:35] pitti, no, I don't. I think we can release note the rescue mode bug [07:35] that's what I thought [07:35] we should concentrate our efforts on testing the desktops, I think [07:37] I agree [07:51] pitti, did the kernels make it through onto cd images ok ? [07:51] apw: i386 did, amd64 is just being published; apparently building it took a while [07:51] or the buildds were clogged [07:51] hrm ... about 10 last night it was looking to be starting in 54 mins [07:52] (my time) [07:52] i386 works and boots, and I verified that amd64 also works with unionfs-fuse [07:52] apw: thanks so much for the quick fix! [07:53] ah, and my amd64 test install with unionfs-fuse just succeeded \o/ [07:53] pitti, was more luck than judgement, it was my first stab [07:54] pitti, the testing i did with my built kernel was aufs on am64, so that is likely to work if i386 does [07:54] but having both available rocks [07:54] right [07:54] amd64 should hit the mirrors any minute now [07:55] pitti, got a checksum for it so i can tell when i've got the right one [07:58] pitti, ahh the build took 7 hours, starting around midnight my time, would put it about when you said ... just slow builds [07:59] there it is [07:59] * pitti starts ubuntu xubuntu ubuntu-netbook desktop builds [08:17] * apw resync's his CDs [08:21] ttx: hm, seems that someone added the EC2 bits to the iso tracker; was that on purpose? [08:21] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100602.2/ [08:22] ara, apw ^ there, go wild :) [08:22] * pitti adds to tracker [08:22] pitti: smoser must have pushed them since they were missing [08:22] pitti: any reason why he shouldn't have ? [08:22] pitti, thanks! I wiill sync now [08:22] ttx: no, I was just wondering; I didn't build anything for EC2 (nor do I know how :) ) [08:22] ara: any idea why we don't receive email notifications anymore ? [08:23] pitti: we have daily builds for EC2/UEC images, and smoser/ara can promote one build as the milestone candidate [08:23] pitti, ara, can i rsync these images ? [08:23] ttx: nice, thanks [08:23] apw: sure [08:24] pitti: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/maverick/ [08:25] pitti,ara: we should also have a amd64/i386 UEC image candidate [08:25] currently only the EC2 stuff shows up [08:25] does any of you have the keys to promote http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/maverick/20100601/ as the UEC images ? [08:29] ttx: if you are addressing me, I'm afraid I need some further docs; I never did that [08:30] apw: maverick-desktop-amd64.iso boots fine here \o/ [08:31] * pitti hugs rsync and his phat pipe this week [08:31] * apw cheers! [08:31] DSL 16K is something I could get used to.. [08:31] I wonder if ara can do it [08:32] It's just a question of having "Ubuntu Server UEC amd64 (20100601)" in the ISO tracker [08:32] ttx, I can [08:32] (and i386) [08:32] * ttx hugs ara [08:33] ttx, done [08:33] * ara hugs ttx back [08:35] meh, xubuntu still oversized; why do my seed changes have no effect? [08:42] pitti, yay, amd64 boots and even claims to be using aufs :) [08:44] cjwatson: ok, seems the kdebase-plasma and the eternal xubuntu oversizedness (as well as netbook) are related: it seems that Tasks: headers just don't get updated, and there were plenty of publisher cycles with new maverick packages in between [09:10] ara, who owns the iso-tracker test definitions ? [09:11] ara, for example the live testing does not know about the 'burning man' and so there are now two paths that need testing there [09:12] apw, it is a wiki, anyone can edit [09:12] apw, http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ [09:13] ara, is there a scheme for the Case ID: numbering ? [09:14] apw, just 3 letters + 3 numbers [09:14] apw, for installations, normally, the 3 letters are ins [09:14] apw, is it a new test case? or changing an existing one? [09:14] ok, so i can just use a free -nnn number, i assume existing ones should be left alone [09:15] as there is 'ignore the burning man' and 'hit a key during the burning man' i guess i need to add a new one [09:15] and fix the old one to mention the burning man [09:16] ara, any idea if it matters if the numbers are sequential, as it feels wrong to change the numbers of the existing ones, but the logical place for the new one is second [09:16] apw, they are sequential, place it in second place in the wiki, but call it ins-next_available [09:17] ara, perfect, that is the logical way to do it :) phew [09:17] apw, :) [09:20] pitti, i note that at least the non-plymouth splash is still saying 10.04 [09:26] Riddell, around? [09:32] there's a non-plymouth splash? [09:32] well, plymouth text plugin, I suppose [09:32] ah yes, I suppose that 10.04 is hard-coded in the source [09:34] pitti: oddly, kdebase-plasma is showing up as directly seeded in kubuntu-common, but clearly isn't there [09:34] the germinate output is up to date [09:34] cjwatson: is it possible that germinate crashes in the publisher on in the cronjob? [09:35] cjwatson, slangasek: good morning [09:35] pitti: it doesn't seem to be crashing, based on the logs [09:35] pitti: morning-ish :) [09:35] that wa one thing I checked for [09:35] *was [09:36] no, the problem is that the seed update job has got stuck [09:38] it runs as ubuntu-archive@people, and occasionally it gets stuck on a bzr lock or something for some reason [09:38] I've fixed that now [09:38] it'll need another publisher run and then some package or other flushed through a second publisher run [09:39] that indeed accounts for your Xubuntu trouble as well [09:39] actually, why don't I just run cron.germinate by hand to speed things up [09:39] cjwatson: so I'll find a package to publish to maverick main in the meantime? [09:40] doesn't need to be main [09:40] just maverick somewhere [09:40] hah, I've got the perfect one [09:40] * pitti uploads postgresql-common [09:41] cjwatson: next publisher in 20 mins will be ok? or the one after that? [09:43] ready to upload [09:43] will tell you in a minute [09:43] if that fails, I also have an apport upload (also fast to build) [09:44] fails> if we need another publisher, I mean [09:48] pitti: go ahead and upload [09:48] done [09:57] cjwatson: ok, it's built and accepted [09:57] thanks for sorting this out [09:58] cjwatson: for checking in the future, is that bin/update-germinate on lillypilly? [10:01] ara: yes [10:01] Riddell, I was installing KVM OEM (alt) and on reboot it freezes the screen: just a white screen with the pointer and the notifications [10:02] OEM? have you tested a normal install? [10:06] Riddell, no, just OEM [10:09] it's alpha 1, I care very little about OEM compared to it installing and booting at all [10:13] Riddell, I'll try again with normal installation and will get back to you [10:15] seb128: do you see anything worth mentioning in the tech overview wrt. GNOME? new GNOME components, new evolution, etc? [10:15] Riddell: likewise, any new KDE version to point out, etc? [10:17] pitti, I guess you can mention new GNOME platform stack [10:17] yes, 4.5 beta [10:18] ie updated glib with gsettings, gtk, dconf ready [10:18] (it's in universe now) [10:18] new evo stack [10:19] * pitti removes the only "known issues" entry again (broken aufs) [10:23] a tester is reporting that when unlocking encrypted server installations, each time he presses a key, the "Unlocking message" gets repeated [10:23] http://img15.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=unencr2.png [10:23] what package should he file against? [10:26] seb128, Riddell: I added some initial comments to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview, please refine as appropriate [10:26] pitti, ok thanks [10:57] pitti: update-seeds [10:57] ara: probably cryptsetup to start with [10:58] cjwatson, thanks, it was reported back in Lucid, but it was wrongly assigned to plymouth [10:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/566818 [10:58] Launchpad bug 566818 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 45)" [Medium,Confirmed] [10:59] cjwatson: yay, Tasks are correct now [10:59] * pitti turns crank to rebuild images [11:02] pitti, rebuilding? which images are we rebuilding? [11:02] kubuntu kubuntu-netbook ubuntu-netbook xubuntu [11:02] (desktops, not alternates) [11:02] ubuntu desktop seems okay already [11:03] pitti, ah, ok, thanks [11:03] ara: kubuntu didn't build at all so far, and netbook/xubuntu are still oversized due to outdated tasks [11:05] pitti, the "headlines" of conversations at #u-release are worth posting at #u-testing, so people testing can be aware of what's going on [11:06] sure, /me joins [11:08] ara: I gave a quick overview, and will post new images there as they appear [11:08] pitti, thanks :-) [11:09] pitti: cool [11:09] ara: I didn't say plymouth was definitely wrong [11:10] ara: if somebody knowledgeable assigned it to plymouth, then that's probably a better target for it [11:19] * Riddell cheers as Kubuntu Maverick installs and boots to desktop [11:22] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20100602.3/ up for testing [11:27] ara: is there a bug for Kubuntu OEM? [11:27] I have a luxury problem: I don't yet have anything to add to "known problems" section :) [11:28] pitti, no, I was waiting to see if it reproduces on normal installations [11:28] pitti, I will get back to you and Ridell when done [11:28] ara: ok, thanks [11:29] eww, current netbook in KVM boots into GNOME desktop [11:30] pitti, oops [11:30] could just be kvm, I'll investigate and check with Didier [11:32] pitti, btw, in known issues you can add the "rescue mode" bug ;-) [11:32] right :) [11:33] ara: but it does work, right? it's just mislabeled [11:37] ah, netbook/kvm works with -vga vmware [11:39] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20100602/ ready for testing, added to tracker [11:39] Riddell: ^ crossing fingers :) [11:39] this isn't shown as oversized, it has a larger limit? [11:40] bbiab, booting netbook live system on my laptop [11:40] pitti: It does. [11:41] We went with the idea people would install from USB, so who cares about 700MB limit. [11:42] * Riddell grabs kubuntu-netbook [11:43] pitti: If it wouldn't interfere with anything else, could you spin up a powerpc image for Kubuntu desktop? I think I have both all the needed packages built and someone to test. [11:46] re [11:47] ScottK: sure, can do [11:50] ScottK: I started powerpc powerpc+ps3 builds for kubuntu and then ubuntu [11:50] Thanks. [11:50] argh, it ate my wiki edit [11:52] Error: no livefs builds succeeded. [11:53] ScottK: ^ hm, will have a look in a bit [11:57] linux-powerpc: Depends: linux-image-powerpc (= 2.6.34.4.1) but it is not going to be installed [11:57] LP is going offline in a few minutes [11:59] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100602/ for your testing pleasure [12:00] and xubuntu _still_ oversized; WTF? [12:00] ah, it's still building [12:06] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20100602.3/ ready for testing [12:07] lunch, bbl [12:09] ScottK, Riddell: ah, kdebase-plasma is on NBS with 0 rdepends, so I'll remove it once LP is back up [12:10] ta [12:44] have we really planned a LP maintenance window in the two days before a milestone again? surley this can be avoided [12:46] kubuntu netbook is a work of perfection, let's release 10.10 before we screw it up [12:51] apw, to late :P [12:51] (for avoidance that is) [12:52] Riddell, make it run on ARM ! [12:52] ogra, yeah i more meant, they have done this three milestones in a row, and its stupid [12:52] agreed [12:52] they did it release week i think, wh [12:52] seb128 just brought it up in another channel [13:12] pitti, do we have a bug number to une showing gnome desktop? [13:12] ara: it wasn't real; it works fine with -vga vmware (2D) and on real iron (3D) [13:12] kvm's default graphics is known-broken with netbook-launcher [13:12] pitti, I can reproduce in a mini9 [13:13] it shows UNE desktop, but it ALSO shows the panel [13:13] ara: ah, please file a bug then; it works just fine here [13:13] or is the panel now part of UNE? [13:13] ara: yes, it's supposed to show the panel [13:13] ara: it's always been [13:13] we need the indicators, etc. [13:13] it's just not supposed to show the applications menu [13:14] pitti, ah, OK. THen, it shows the Applications menu :-) [13:14] pitti, that was it was strange [13:14] it is showing the menu [13:14] ara: I think it's the same error as why favourites are empty [13:14] just talked about it with Didier [13:14] didrocks | pitti: we also got the two panels and not the dedicated applets. Do you know what changed so that the postinst of ubuntu-netbook-default-settings doesn't seem to have been executed? (I don't remember to add anything to casper about that) [13:15] ara: it's bug 588675 [13:15] Launchpad bug 588675 in ubuntu-netbook-default-settings (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[Maverick Alpha-1] Empty favourites (affects: 1)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588675 [13:15] i. e. due to the same root cause [13:15] not that we could update the bug right now.. :-( [13:16] pitti, I will put a comment in the tracker and I will try to remember to update the bug when lp is again writable [13:16] cheers [13:16] * pitti updates the "known issues" [13:26] Riddell, I get the same error in normal mode and OEM mode (white screen) [13:26] Riddell, it is a KVM, though [13:27] Riddell, any idea which package should I file the bug against? [13:28] ara: nothing else shown before? linux? plymouth? X? [13:28] Riddell, X starts, but white screen and notifications [13:28] Riddell, let me pastebin the screenshot [13:29] Riddell, http://imagebin.org/99517 [13:31] weirdness [13:31] plymouth appears correctly, kdm appears correctly and I log in correctly [13:31] and then, once it logs, that's what it shows [13:31] ara: can you do alt-f2 and start an application (e.g. konsole)? [13:33] Riddell, gggr, it does not allow me. Normally I would do Ctrl+alt+2 and then sendkey, but it is not working now [13:33] (kvm, I mean) [13:33] oh, LP seems to be back? [13:33] Riddell, I will restart that virtual machine with virt-manager [13:33] ara: well I'd guess it's an issue either with plasma or kwin and both are in kdebase-workspace so that would be as good a place as any to report [13:34] Riddell, OK, thanks [13:47] pitti: Can we SRU a metapackage change? This kdebase-plasma mess has caused me to notice we still have it seeded in lucid also. I think it should be dropped in the seeds and the package that replaces it, plasma-widget-folderview, seeded directly. I think it'd be good to have for 10.04.1. [13:48] cjwatson: ping a little earlier in the day this time. Still not urgent, but when you have 5 minutes. [13:48] ScottK: it would be a no-op for upgrades, right? sounds fine to me [13:48] pitti: At most it would be the transitional package is available for autoremoval. [13:49] which sounds just fine [13:49] * ScottK marks it on his TODO. [13:57] ScottK: go ahead [13:58] cjwatson: I wanted to ask about getting special permission to respin Kubuntu Netbook for 10.04.1. [13:58] I have no problem with respins for point releases as long as there are testing resources available [13:58] Great. [13:59] from the RM side they're quite straightforward and if it goes wrong we can always not release the builds [13:59] I know we can do almost all of it out of community resources. The one place I may need help is with wubi testing. [14:01] Because Kubuntu netbook is so close to Kubuntu desktop in package selection we'd otherwise end up in the position that the lowest bandwidth requirement install method for Netbook would be to install destkop and then convert it. [14:01] Thanks. [14:07] nice to have easy questions. :-) [14:08] I didn't think it would be hard, just wanted to make sure to have the conversation early enough not to cause a rush. [15:06] ogra, hey was there a bug for that omap udebs not existing error? [15:07] apw, not yet [16:09] is there a bug number for text version of plymouth having 10.04 hardcoded? [16:14] bug 588633 [16:14] ara: ^- [16:14] Launchpad bug 588633 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "textual splash says 10.04 for maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588633 [16:14] cjwatson, many thanks [16:15] ara: if you notice that sort of thing, can you make sure that it's in the checklist of packages that need to be changed for each new release in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess? [16:16] cjwatson, sure, I didn't notice, but I was triaging some of the bugs filed in the tracker and I saw a duplicate [16:16] cjwatson, I'll add it to the list [16:33] need to leave now [16:33] cjwatson: I'm on vac tomorrow, can I pass the release baton to you now? [16:33] pitti: yes, what needs to be done still? [16:33] cjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview should reasonably up to date, and tracker is looking ok for now [16:34] cjwatson: so basically all things up to "release day -1" onhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneProcess are done [16:34] ok. I've been keeping an eye on the tracker but there doesn't seem to be any showstoppers [16:34] cjwatson: so what's left is the publishing, announcement text, and what's probably most difficult, finding a nice quote for the announcement :) [16:35] cjwatson: right, I think it's well under control now, and the images are good [16:35] took a while, sorry for bothering you with all those questions [16:36] pitti: acquire a copy of John McCain's autobiography and take a quote from it [16:36] sounds like you've done most of it, so don't apologise [16:36] slangasek: heh [17:13] apw, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/588805 for you [17:14] Launchpad bug 588805 in linux (Ubuntu) "no udebs for omap flavour in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [18:34] on maverick (an upgrade from lucid) I just tried to "sudo apt-get install mplayer" and got: "mplayer: Depends: libdirectfb-1.2-0 but it is not going to be installed" [18:34] what's the right thing to do here? [18:38] bjf: upload mplayer to compile against the new libdirectfb version or file a bug requesting the same [18:40] Riddell, since I don't know how to upload an mplayer to comiple against the new libdirectfb, i'll file a bug [18:40] Riddell, thanks [18:43] all Kubuntu images are good to go for me [21:08] cjwatson: not sure you're the right person to ask but ... I've got a kernel fix to resolve bug 587893 [21:08] Launchpad bug 587893 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "linux-image-2.6.34-5-virtual is oversized, results in oversized server ISO (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587893 [21:09] cjwatson: would uploading a new kernel for this type of fix qualify for violating the alpha1 soft freeze? [22:52] ogasawara: Thanks for the fix. I think we can probably afford to just stage that for immediately after alpha-1, and release-note the problem. For a later alpha I'd probably say differently but I don't think an oversized server image on the first alpha is worth the hassle of a respin [22:52] cjwatson: ack