[11:30] <hazmat> besides --debug is there any other way to debug upstart when it hangs on boot?
[11:55] <hazmat> i guess more to the point if i don't have file systems mounted before upstart hangs, can i just echo from an upstart script to the console
[12:15] <JanC> hazmat: I think stdout gets redirected to /dev/null, but I suppose you can write to /dev/tty1 
[12:15] <JanC> or use beeps or keyboard lights or whatever  ;)
[12:16] <plautrba> JanC: with "console output" is stdout connected to /dev/console
[12:16] <JanC> ah, right
[12:32] <hazmat> JanC, thanks, but i gave up and just reinstalled....
[12:32] <hazmat> although beeps FTW next time
[21:27] <tstone> hi, i've just successfully got upstart support into ptxdist http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=ptxdist;a=summary but it needs some more polish so i have some questions...
[21:27] <tstone> is there a reason that the dbus-daemon is started with the -fork option?
[21:28] <tstone> i thought that upstart is much happier without that option, nevertheless does ubuntu lucid has this option.
[21:30] <tstone> Also what is the most straight forward way to shutdown a system with upstart (i am not talking about runlevels here)?
[23:09] <tstone> bye