[00:11] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[00:30] <apachelogger> oh look
[00:30] <apachelogger> it built
[00:30] <apachelogger> magic
[00:32] <neversfelde> congrats
[00:32] <neversfelde> someone has seen lure recently?
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so, the KCM gets all my user details right, but I don't think its syncing the Ubuntu One folder
[00:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: seen Lure
[00:33] <kubotu> Lure was last seen 3 months, 4 days, 8 minutes and 21 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[00:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is because the cloud is broken or something
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> :(
[00:34] <apachelogger> has been incredibly slow for more than a week
[00:34] <apachelogger> well, its not evne the cloud
[00:34] <apachelogger> as I understand it, it is just the filesync
[00:34] <apachelogger> because webaccess works fine
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[00:35] <apachelogger> and hence also the kcm works, because it gets the data via the web api
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> btw, I find it a bit funny that Dolphin lists Ubuntu One as a VCS ^.^
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> Must be a limitation of dolphin's plugin system
[00:37] <apachelogger> yeah
[00:37] <apachelogger> where does it list that?
[00:37] <apachelogger> oh oh
[00:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, you need to patch syncdaemon
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopli1461-jpg.jpg
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ya, did that and restarted
[00:38] <apachelogger> k
[00:38] <apachelogger> ah
[00:38] <apachelogger> ^^
[00:38] <apachelogger> never saw that before
[00:39] <apachelogger> new in 4.5?
[00:39] <apachelogger> anyhow
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> ya
[00:39] <apachelogger> if you think about it, it got a lot in common with a vcs anyway
[00:39] <apachelogger> which is also why based it on that existing api instead of diggin up a new one
[00:39] <apachelogger> though it should be made more abstract for general fileplugins
[00:40] <apachelogger> *fileviewplugin
[00:40] <apachelogger> vcs can be a specific fileviewpluginbase then
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> *nod*
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> you should talk to ppenz before it is too late to plan stuff for 4.6 :D
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, in 4.5 VCS'es aren't enabled by default in dolphin
[00:45] <apachelogger> brrr
[00:45] <apachelogger> honest to god, I do not even see the point of state awareness in dolphin
[00:46] <apachelogger> if you add a new file it should be uploaded immediately and if that is not possible for whatever reason there are no means to find out what happened
[00:46] <apachelogger> in fact you cannot even know that something went wrong
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> zomg! 1 file synced!
[00:46] <apachelogger> since the only information is the local checksum and the server checksum
[00:47] <apachelogger> you can combine those and make an about estimate whether things are actually being uploaded or downloaded
[00:47] <apachelogger> but that is about it
[00:47]  * apachelogger needs to look into tracing particular files though
[00:47] <apachelogger> to waste more cpu ^^
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> Anybody wanna try to break qapt-batch? https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa/+packages
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> qapt-batch --install/remove <packages> or qapt-batch --update
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> earl grey tea flavored chocolate is interesting
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> tastes like chocolate tea (surprise!)
[00:59] <apachelogger> sick
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> leave it to the Belgians :P
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> Anybody know a good KDE or Qt method for converting x seconds into "x hours, x minutes, x seconds"?
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> preferably localization-aware
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> I couldn't really find anything satisfactory in KLocale
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> !!
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> prettyFormatDuration looks much better than formatDuration
[01:17] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133959 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/example/cacheupdatewidget.cpp Use prettyFormatDuration() rather than formatDuration(). Human readability FTW!
[01:39] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133965 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Add an ETA on file downloads to the dialog
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm, now the only FIXME in qapt-batch is actually a libqapt bug...
[01:54] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133968 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (qaptbatch.cpp qaptbatch.h) Cleanup
[01:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dont break anything :P
[01:55] <apachelogger> cleanup sounds very dangerous
[01:55]  * apachelogger goes to bed
[01:55] <apachelogger> nighties
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: a comment a a kDebug() :P
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> nighties
[01:56] <apachelogger> you never know what that kDebug() might have done without you knowing ;)
[02:23] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133973 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (2 files in 2 dirs) Converting a QString which has the possibility of having a decimal place into an int; fun times. Commit progress now works. qapt-batch is FIXME: free \o/
[02:27] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133978 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/example/ (commitwidget.cpp commitwidget.h qapttest.cpp) Give the example app a progressbar for commit progress
[02:30] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1133979 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp We don't have a QApt::Cache to reload, so we can't use the success bool that workerFinished emits. Q_UNUSED() it.
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> UbuntuOne is syncing at 1 MiB/hr \o/
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> hrm, CSD hit GNOME...
[03:07]  * JontheEchidna is glad he has Kubuntu
[03:10] <ScottK> CSD is my second biggest complaint about chromium.
[03:11] <ScottK> shtylman is not doubt stunned I don't think it's perfect.
[03:12] <shtylman> ScottK: im sorry... did you say something?
[03:12]  * ScottK is reasonably certain he didn't say anything shtylman can hear.
[03:12] <shtylman> didn't think so :)
[03:15] <ScottK> shtylman: Do you have Maverick running?
[03:15] <shtylman> ScottK: nope
[03:15] <shtylman> I have been slack in getting in running
[03:15] <shtylman> got caught up in trying some random openoffice ideas
[03:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Running chromium on Maverick?
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yep
[03:15] <ScottK> shtylman: Ouch.  Today was a very good day to upgrade for me.  Zero problems.
[03:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Each time I restart chromium, it claims it's not the default browser.  Do you have this problem?
[03:16]  * ScottK did not have it on Lucid.
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> nope
[03:16] <ScottK> Weird.
[03:17] <shtylman> ScottK: did you just install a daily?
[03:17] <shtylman> or actually upgrade?
[03:17] <ScottK> shtylman: I actually upgraded.
[03:17] <shtylman> wow
[03:18]  * ScottK almost never reinstalls.
[03:18] <shtylman> I see
[03:18] <ScottK> Generally it's because I tried something "bad".
[03:18] <shtylman> I never upgrade... heh
[03:18] <shtylman> I always reinstall
[03:18] <ScottK> Way more trouble than it's worth and shouldn't be needed.
[03:18] <shtylman> interesting
[03:18] <shtylman> I will keep that in mind
[03:19] <shtylman> might try upgrade next time
[03:19] <ScottK> It used to be said that the Debian installer totally sucked, but it was OK, because you only ever had to install once per machine.
[03:19] <shtylman> heh
[03:19] <ScottK> Today the installer is better and upgrades aren't quite a trouble free, but in general it should work.
[03:35] <shtylman> why is api.kde.org down
[03:35] <shtylman> again
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: http://api.mts.ms/
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> also: http://blogs.fsfe.org/adridg/?p=880
[03:38] <shtylman> yea.. but why is the main one down
[03:38] <shtylman> ahh
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> hardware phailure sucks :(
[03:39] <shtylman> indeed
[03:40] <JontheEchidna> I miss the englishbreakfastnetwork too
[03:41]  * JontheEchidna wanted to see the krazy stats for an app, but had to do it locally :(
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> dantti: any news on the debconf lib?
[03:55] <dantti> JontheEchidna: hmm well, it's working now, but the progress element is missing
[03:55] <dantti> JontheEchidna: also i have to do lot's of rework on it
[03:56] <dantti> but I managed to get rid of the wibble stuff :P
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> :D
[03:56]  * JontheEchidna doesn't see any advantage to qtcore with wibble
[03:59]  * dantti doesn't see any advantages in using std stuff when we have Qt :P
[04:07] <dantti> JontheEchidna: the good news is that tomorow is holyday here so I'll have 2 days to work on it:D
[04:50] <ScottK> dantti: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=10.04-upgrade-notifier.png is the updates pending icon we had before that I mentioned at UDS.
[04:51] <ScottK> I kind of like it and it will be familiar to some Debian/Kubuntu users already.
[05:09] <dantti> ScottK: yes I know that one
[05:10] <dantti> it even has update in it's name
[05:10] <dantti> but for some reason i don't like it
[05:10] <ScottK> Maybe show it to pinhiero and ask for a better one?
[05:12] <dantti> yes, I should do that, though I like that magic thing a lot :P
[05:13] <dantti> ScottK: it's so nice :P http://imagebin.ca/view/yy9i954W.html
[05:14] <ScottK> I really don't like the magic thing.
[05:14] <ScottK> Computers are understandable machines and I don't like encouraging users to think of them as magical.
[05:19] <dantti> ScottK: sure, but i think it works for solving games, also i think when you see that magic thing for the first time you will be curious about what that iscon is for
[05:20]  * ScottK really doesn't like it.
[05:20] <dantti> maybe that pinhero could mix the two ..
[05:42] <ScottK> I'd be interested to see what he could do.
[08:30] <apachelogger> oha
[08:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you really want to install the worker to the sekrit kde binary directory where drkonqi and stuff lives
[08:31] <apachelogger> having it in $PATH seems not particularly good
[08:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: when startig install I get the *doing auth* window in front of the auth window
[08:49] <amichair> apachelogger: can u add a link to what Fluffy is?
[08:56] <apachelogger> amichair: add to what?
[08:58] <amichair> apachelogger: topic, I meant
[08:58] <apachelogger> there is no written down description yet
[08:58] <apachelogger> topic add Fluffy: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771
[08:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic add Fluffy: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771
[09:02] <amichair> apachelogger: thanks... I think :-P
[09:06] <apachelogger> ohhhhh
[09:06] <apachelogger> come to think of it, I could use the qjson deserialization approach to deserialize python's dbus stuff
[09:06] <apachelogger> also, where did my gsoc mentor go? :(
[09:13] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100603081104-3odynumiraeqch0z * src/libs/ (SyncDaemonStatus.cpp SyncDaemonStatus.h) Some more structure
[09:15] <jussi> apachelogger: who is your gsoc mentor?
[09:15] <apachelogger> Riddell
[09:38] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100603083630-iie111x4dbsxg64m * src/auth/HttpDaemon.cpp (log message trimmed)
[09:38] <CIA-91> It appears to me that the httpd is being blocked while the emit tokenLove is
[09:38] <CIA-91> being executed, so move the execution to a later point, to improve the chances
[09:40] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100603084009-72vu01943ki0du8t * src/auth/HttpDaemon.cpp Add comment about timing, so that I shall revisit the issue and either introduce a bool or thread the httpd
[11:43] <Riddell> win 11
[11:43] <Riddell> tsk
[11:44] <Riddell> wasn't even anything interesting on win 11 :)
[12:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: in front of the auth window? O.o
[12:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the kpolkit autentication window
[12:20] <apachelogger> where I have to enter my password
[12:20] <apachelogger> that is placed behind the progress dialog window
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> ah, right. that's a kpolkit bug I fixed in trunk. In trunk it'll come in front
[12:21] <JontheEchidna> the reason that the "waiting for auth" dialog comes up in the first place is that kprogressdialog has this autoshow feature that I can't see a public method to turn off
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> basically polkit-kde wasn't overriding kwin's focus stealing prevention
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> and in 0.95 it was going below the window that called it always
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> but then I foudn the KWindowSystem api
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> anyways, I slept in and now I have to go... be back in an hour or so
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> neat, somebody is doing an SRU we need for kde4libs: bug 589103
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> I've been wanting something like this: http://tokoe-kde.blogspot.com/2010/06/verktyg-or-how-to-tame-signals-and.html
[13:29] <agateau> ScottK: ping
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I found KProgressDialog::setMinimumDuration to be what I want. But I can't set it to infinite... what do you think would be a sane time to set it to?
[13:31] <apachelogger> the estimate you can come up with ;)
[13:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: for what do you want it?
[13:32] <apachelogger> see, if ou have a progressdialog that is not really indicating progress, then it is no progressdialog (IMHO)
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: to stop the dialog popping up before you enter the password
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> I can't disable the autoshow feature, but I can delay autoshowing
[13:32] <apachelogger> why do you want it to be infinite?
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> because I manually handle show()ing when stuff happens(tm)
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> and before I put in the "waiting for auth" stuff it'd pop up with an empty dialog :P
[13:34] <ScottK> agateau: Pong
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> basically I'd like to be able to get rid of the "waiting for auth" stuff in most cases by setting the auto show timeout to something a bit high
[13:34] <agateau> ScottK: just released plasma-widget-message-indicator, "ScottK edition"
[13:34] <ScottK> Cool.  Thanks.
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> I could see a usecase for showing it after a while, so that we know that the program didnt' die
[13:35] <agateau> featuring middle-click or shift+left-click to go to the latest message
[13:35] <ScottK> I'll give it a try.
[13:35] <agateau> I didn't create any package though
[13:36] <ScottK> When are you ready for it to go into Maverick?
[13:38] <agateau> ScottK: I think it can go in
[13:38] <ScottK> OK.
[13:39] <agateau> ScottK: it just needs a package update
[13:41] <ScottK> Hey, we aren't the only distro packagers that suck: http://der-dakon.net/blog/KDE/blog_bugs.html
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> heh, that means that bug probably also affects the almighty netbook reference distribution
[13:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you know where NCommander has gotten to?  We need his magic to fix kdebindins on armel.
[13:50] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134114 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Delay auto-show to 10 seconds. We can't disable it entirely, and after 10 seconds people may need a reminder, or something to say we haven't died If auth happens before this, we will manually show when progress happens
[13:52] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134115 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (src/worker/worker.cpp utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp) ...also remove the manual show() I had placed in as a workaround after I discovered about auto-show
[13:57] <apachelogger> KRF: ROFL
[13:59] <Riddell> ScottK: I've not heard from him
[14:00] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134124 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (main.cpp qaptbatch.cpp) Set program icon in the KAbout data rather than just setting the window title of the dialog. This way our error dialogs get window icons
[14:01] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm working on the Lucid kubuntu-meta SRU.  I may remember wrong, but I thought you said you put the fonts ccheney wanted for OOo in the seeds already?  I don't find it.
[14:03] <Riddell> I did, let me check
[14:06] <Riddell> ScottK: spooky, the commit had disappeared
[14:06] <Riddell> ScottK: added now to kubuntu.lucid
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: didn't you have a fancy KUIT cheat sheet?
[14:08] <agateau> JontheEchidna: hi
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> agateau: hi
[14:08] <agateau> JontheEchidna: seems like you are working on some apt library
[14:09] <agateau> JontheEchidna: did you have a look at my Kapti experiment?
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libmessagecore.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> D:
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> agateau: I saw the mail, but I can't get to it at the moment...
[14:09] <agateau> oh :/
[14:10] <agateau> JontheEchidna: http://gitorious.org/kapti/pages/Home
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> wtf, libmessagecore4 is uninstalled??
[14:10]  * JontheEchidna wonders how shlibdeps didn't get a dependency
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> agateau: thanks
[14:10] <agateau> I was a bit disappointed by the lack of reaction on the ML about this thing
[14:10] <agateau> so I am trying to get people to look at it on irc now?
[14:11]  * JontheEchidna clones the git repo
[14:11] <agateau> s/?/:)/
[14:11] <agateau> JontheEchidna: it's in Python now, but the thing could be easily reimplemented in C++
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> agateau: how does the searching plumbing work?
[14:12] <agateau> JontheEchidna: it's crude
[14:12] <agateau> it reads the output of apt-cache search
[14:12] <agateau> :)
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> :)
[14:12] <agateau> I was interested in the UI, I am no plumber :)
[14:12]  * JontheEchidna nods
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> Implementing apt-xapian search in libqapt is one of the big things still on the todo, but it has the plumbing for installing/removing/updating
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> and as long as you have the package name you can get info about packages from libqapt
[14:13] <agateau> what is apt-xapian?
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Got it.  Thanks.
[14:13] <shadeslayer> btw alpha 1 was released for ubuntu
[14:14]  * agateau wonders if ScottK and Riddell tried this Kapti thing
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> agateau: a xapian index of the apt database. Basically what Adept and Synaptic use for search
[14:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: didnt you print it? :P
[14:14] <ScottK> agateau: Not yet.
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no :(
[14:14] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ok
[14:14]  * agateau googles for xapian
[14:14]  * ScottK trims things a bit more.
[14:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Alpha1 should be Alpha 1
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> ^4.4.4 packaging is done too, yes?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:15] <shadeslayer> 4.5 is done as well
[14:15] <txwikinger> yep
[14:16] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[14:16] <ScottK> 4.4.4 is not done.
[14:16] <ScottK> Still need kdepim-runtime and kdepim in Maverick.
[14:16]  * txwikinger wonders how someone who does not exist can hide
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> ah, maverick. forgot about that
[14:16] <ScottK> That would be the most thorough form of hiding.
[14:16] <shadeslayer> were doing 4.4.4 for maverick?
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: for kdepim, yes
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> kdepim hasn't released for 4.5 yet
[14:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oh right.. kdepim was not released
[14:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> agateau: playing around with kapti now ;)
[14:17] <txwikinger> when will it be released?
[14:17] <agateau> cool
[14:17] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: one month more
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> agateau: neat concept
[14:20] <agateau> JontheEchidna: thanks
[14:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/drawing-3.svg
[14:20] <xelister> hi
[14:20] <xelister> Why upgrade to 10.04 didnt asked me  [ ] Hey, Socaill Symantic Desktop (what ever the hell this means) is here for you! Wastes mem&cpu for free! Hangs kmail. Install?
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thanks
[14:21] <xelister> it makes me lost trust in ubuntu's developer decissions about default cra^H stuff shuffled onto users
[14:22] <agateau> apachelogger: that's a great cheatsheet! you should post it on techbase.k.o!
[14:22] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:22] <apachelogger> still needs pimping though
[14:22] <apachelogger> which is really why I did not already do that ^^
[14:22] <ScottK> xelister: It's not an optional part of KDE anymore.  It's required.
[14:22] <Tm_T> xelister: please, the tone
[14:22] <xelister> ScottK: I hoped just akonadi is required
[14:22] <ScottK> xelister: Nope.
[14:22]  * xelister headdesks
[14:23] <ScottK> If you want to have a crisis of faith, go have it with KDE.
[14:23] <xelister> well, if we can't avoid this big lost of resources,  how about at least AKS before enabling it by default????
[14:23] <Tm_T> ...but bit more constructive attitude, thanks
[14:23] <xelister> this is what regular users (4) say (medium advanced users):
[14:23] <xelister> hey, recently my ubuntu slows down and totally hangs, I don't know why, what is going on
[14:26] <ScottK> We are looking into seeing if some of the most CPU intensive stuff might be disabled without losing the bits that are required.
[14:26]  * ScottK stares at JontheEchidna.
[14:26] <apachelogger> the stare of doom ^^
[14:28] <ScottK> Just as long as he remembers this isn't all C++ fun and games.
[14:29] <xelister> ಠ_ಠ 
[14:30]  * xelister JontheEchidna: ಠ_ಠ
[14:40] <Mamarok> something is wrong in the 4.5 beta settings, the default file manager should be Dolphin, but it is now Konqueror...
[14:41] <Mamarok> and Konqueror is set on top, why?
[14:53] <Riddell> I don't think we've made any changes to that
[14:54] <ScottK> 4.5 beta is pretty funky.
[14:54]  * ScottK still has totally transparent notificaitons he can't read at all.
[15:25] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134152 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/main.cpp KUIT context++
[15:48] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134168 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp QApt Batch now has full KUIT context markers
[15:48] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134169 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp This shouldn't be a plural string
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: for disabling strigi indexing (which won't affect things other than strigi file search) I can either patch the kconfig xml file in kdebase-runtime or patch the nepomukserverrc in kubuntu-default-settings. I'm leaning towards kubuntu-default-settings since it'll be a smaller download with the same effect
[15:54] <ScottK> It's also less patching of upstream code.
[15:54] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134173 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Use title capitalization in window title strings for HIG compliance in this regard
[16:18] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134181 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp The progressbar's minimum value is already 0. No need to set it here.
[16:57] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134196 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp The QAptWorker may be used multiple times before it quits, so be sure to delete WorkerInstallProgress once commitChanges() is done
[17:15] <fregl> apachelogger: I'm on the radio now - promoting fluffy I hope - radiotux.de :p
[17:18] <apachelogger> /o/
[17:18] <apachelogger> \o\
[17:19] <apachelogger> fregl: awesome :D :D :D
[17:19] <apachelogger> listening in from secrit all-hands meeting ^^
[17:22] <dantti> ScottK: pinheiro will do new icons, probably like this http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopmb3114.jpg
[17:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: alpha 1 is out, could you do a story?
[17:48] <Mamarok> Riddell: about that change of the default File manager, seems not to happen with Arch, so maybe our falut
[17:48] <Mamarok> fault*
[18:14] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134220 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/example/ (main.cpp qapttest.cpp qapttest.h) CamelCase classname.
[18:35] <apachelogger> <3 fregl
[18:43] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/eS66nx.html
[19:12] <xelister> in lucid, are there any known means of rooting the box,  assuming given user with shell access is compromised?  what can such trojn running as such user do?
[19:12] <xelister> - see other user's activities via ps aux etc...
[19:12] <xelister> - what else?
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: WIP, but: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopcl1461-jpg.jpg
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> (install-package doesn't check for package trust, btw)
[19:39] <xelister> JontheEchidna: ಠ_ಠ
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> ಥ_ಥ
[19:40]  * xelister pets JontheEchidna
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> ^.^
[19:41] <xelister>   ◑ ◔
[19:41] <xelister>  /~~~~~/ IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER!
[19:42] <xelister> < ▓▒░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░
[19:42] <xelister>  \     \
[19:42] <xelister>   \------ WE DEMAND YOU FIX THE NEPOMUKU PERFORMANCE RIGHT NOW
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> well
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> it's not something that can really be fixed that easily. I can turn file indexing off by default, which should help a lot
[19:42] <xelister> it makes my ubuntu 10.04 feel like windows7 bloatware on Pentium III box
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> you can do this right now by going to the "Semantic desktop" section in the advanced tab of system settings, and turning strigi off
[19:43] <xelister> yes PLEASSSSE turn the retarded file indexing OFF by default =)
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> that's the plan
[19:43] <xelister> yes I know. So do all the users that bitched about computers "working really slow since recently, whats going on?"
[19:44] <xelister> on 2 Ghz box with Seppuku, Running a minimal-traffic apache+svn servers,  and 3d effecvts, it was taking literally 30-45 seconds to open a window
[19:48] <lex79> JontheEchidna: did you notice a slowdown in general after upgrade to beta? I'm wondering if it just a nvidia issue
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> lex79: nope. intel here, though
[19:48] <lex79> ah, I think is a kwin+nvidia issue then
[19:53] <gorgonizer> lex79: after upgrading to 4.4.80, I have massive slow down issues (I have nvidia gfx)
[19:53] <lex79> maybe it's the blur effect :(
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> that would be my guess
[19:55] <xelister> you know what... even since ubuntu 10.04 and all that nepomuku b.s., using email from Ubuntu is almost impossible via kmail
[19:56] <xelister> I spend many hours over past weeks, and still trugling to get damn email working O_o
[19:57] <ScottK> dantti: Cool.
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kubuntu-default-settings is sitting in lucid-proposed now
[19:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Double cool. (I like the pop up too)
[19:58] <xelister> are there any plans to have a working email client in ubuntu lucid?
[19:59] <xelister> I think that would be quite cool thing to have. If developers are not distracted with adding even more 3d effects, perhaps we can make it happen?
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: the popup currently only shows the first untrusted packages if there are multiple, so it is still WIP
[20:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.
[20:01] <ScottK> xelister: The change that JontheEchidna is working on getting in should help with the high CPU issues.
[20:01] <xelister> right. and kmail is pludged with number of bugs that make kmail totally useless
[20:06] <ScottK> xelister: I use it on several boxes every day, so I disagree.  
[20:06] <ScottK> Exaggeration will get you ignored.
[20:08] <xelister> ScottK: 3 computers with kmail
[20:08] <xelister> 1 was crashing ALWASY. we resolved it with developers, as a bug in akonadi config migration
[20:08] <xelister> 2 always freezes... at least 2 bugs:  a) was bug in filtering, worked around   b) I just found out, dont know yet what
[20:09] <xelister> 3 computer was taking 30 seconds to open any program when kmail was running (2 GHz). It was fault of nepomuku, disabled now
[20:09] <xelister> wasted time of all the above, jsut in first weeks after upgrade
[20:10] <ScottK> I'm not arguing the situation is great (it's not), but hyperbole like "totally useless" isn't helpful.
[20:10] <xelister> on my box it is now really useless, because it 100% of the time freezes while attempting to send any email
[20:11] <xelister> well ok.. I can at least receive emails, after just spending 1 or 2 hours debugging ;)
[20:12]  * xelister I just wated to use my email ಥ_ಥ
[20:12] <ScottK> xelister: I can understand being frustrated.
[20:13]  * ScottK has to run for a while.
[20:17] <lex79> JontheEchidna: any opinion about this? bug 586497
[20:17] <lex79> uhm?
[20:17] <lex79> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+bug/586497
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> The packagekit isn't following the apt cron settings that you can set in software-properties{gtk,kde}
[20:18] <lex79> ah, so by default packagekit installs security update in automatic?
[20:19] <lex79> is there a way to disable ?
[20:20] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134254 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (globals.h worker/worker.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[20:20] <CIA-91> Emit a signal when the fetcher encounters untrusted packages. On systems where
[20:20] <CIA-91> the configuration does not allow this, we emit an error. I still need to work
[20:21] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134255 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Show an error dialog when we receive an untrusted error signal.
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> ^libqapt still needs a warning and question API, so you don't get anything on configurations where untrusted installations is allowed...
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoprs1461-jpg.jpg
[20:26] <lex79> great
[20:35] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134259 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp We will default to asking later, so set this to true.
[20:49] <amichair> what's the difference between the backports ppa and the "unsupported updates" backports repository?
[20:53] <ScottK> amichair: Unsupported updates backports is official Ubuntu backports.  The backports PPA is something Kubuntu devs do that's not an official part of Ubuntu.
[20:54] <ScottK> dantti: Can you look at bug 586497 - If that's true, I think it's a big problem.
[20:55] <amichair> ScottK: are they the same level of stability? will K stuff never go in the repo?
[20:57] <dantti> ScottK: what does this means settings are "security update: ask for download and installation", but kpakagekit doesn't ask it and  ?
[20:57] <dantti> kpackagekit doesn't even has those options
[21:41] <ScottK> amichair: We are still working out the policy details of getting the point releases (e.g. KDE 4.4.4) into the official repositories.  the backports (like 4.5 stuff on Lucid) won't ever go into an official repository.
[21:44] <txwikinger> ScottK: How ist it done with Gnome point releases?
[21:44] <ScottK> txwikinger: They have a special exception to the rules.  We're working on getting the same exception.
[21:45] <txwikinger> Ah
[21:45] <amichair> I'm still confused... I'd like to update the repositories wiki page too, but I'm not sure what to write there
[21:46] <amichair> would it be correct to say that the equivalent of an Ubuntu user adding the repo is a kubuntu user adding the repo+ppa?
[21:49] <amichair> ScottK: is it just a matter of bearaucracy, or is there a substantive difference, e.g. stuff that will go in the ppa but wouldn't go in the repo even if there were no access restrictions?
[21:50] <ScottK> amichair: Sometimes.  We won't officially support KDE 4.5 on lucid, so that would go in a PPA no matter what.
[21:51] <ScottK> For the KDE point releases, we'd probably still put them in a PPA first for testing even if we had the policy issue sorted out.
[21:52] <amichair> ScottK: so basically the ppa is currently serving two separate purposes (as the repo replacement, and other stuff that wouldn't got in the repo anyway)
[21:52] <amichair> so can't suggest to ppl who use the repo to add it, because they'll get extra unwanted stuff, but if they don't add it, they won't get stuff that they want too, iirc
[21:53] <ScottK> amichair: There's two different PPAs.
[21:54] <amichair> oh! so ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa would make the repo+ppa statement correct?
[21:54] <amichair> or what's the other one?
[21:58] <amichair> hmmm... maybe someone with a better grasp of the matter can update the kubuntu repositories wiki page? mainly, so ppl who check the updates repo in software properties will know which ppa to add to get the result they intend (i.e. the stuff we'd like to put in the repo but currently don't)...
[21:58] <ScottK> What wiki page?
[21:59] <amichair> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[23:00]  * ScottK quits fixing compiz bugs and get's back to work ....
[23:03]  * Riddell away until sunday evening
[23:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[23:05] <ryanakca> Ah, and have fun :)
[23:11] <ryanakca> Can someone fact check http://www.kubuntu.org/news/maverick-alpha1 please (re: Amarok)?
[23:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: that's right.  Also KDE 4.5 beta
[23:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[23:15] <ryanakca> Done
[23:17] <fregl> apachelogger: does xteddy work on kubuntu? it might be a good addition to fluffy :)
[23:17] <apachelogger> !info xteddy
[23:17] <apachelogger> seems like it
[23:17] <apachelogger> fregl: I like the cornify bookmark idea though
[23:17] <fregl> but on my freaking suse or ati card that don't work :(
[23:18] <apachelogger> installing right now
[23:18] <fregl> \o/
[23:18]  * apachelogger is wondering why it depends on a id3 tag read lib Oo
[23:18] <apachelogger> hm
[23:19] <apachelogger> fregl: we can do better than that :P
[23:19] <apachelogger> svg++
[23:19] <apachelogger> or maybe animations
[23:19] <apachelogger> oh my
[23:19] <apachelogger> we could make a plasmoid based on that weird ghost plasmoid thingy
[23:26] <apachelogger> fregl: it doesnt have a meny entry it seems :(
[23:27] <fregl> apachelogger: and it's not pink
[23:28] <apachelogger> that too
[23:29]  * apachelogger will slimm down the cd a bit
[23:31]  * apachelogger nukes amarok :P
[23:31] <Tm_T> nooooooo
[23:32] <xelister> i know what we can slimm down!!!!!!!!
[23:32] <xelister> lest nuke...
[23:33] <xelister> NEPOMUKU  \o/  -o-   \o/
[23:33] <xelister> it should be nuked imho even if there would be like 40 free GiB and it would be on a blueray
[23:35] <apachelogger> thanks for your input
[23:42] <xelister> you rememver as 2 weeks ago we where solving a bug in kmail that makes it useless?
[23:42] <xelister> apachelogger: I hit more bugs.  kmail store not working
[23:42] <xelister> *still
[23:42] <Tm_T> xelister: you can stop your "nepomuku" hate
[23:42] <xelister> ecver since move to nepomuk, akonadi - kmail is even more buggy then ever
[23:43] <apachelogger> is that so?
[23:43] <xelister> yes
[23:43] <apachelogger> got any debug output?
[23:43] <xelister> I can not receive or send emails
[23:43] <xelister> now after hours, I can receive (but not send)
[23:43] <xelister> gdb
[23:44] <apachelogger> did kmail crash?
[23:44] <Tm_T> and which version of KDE/KMail is this?
[23:45] <xelister> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1876921
[23:45] <apachelogger> did kmail crash?
[23:45] <xelister> apachelogger: 1) kmail hanged on sending email. I worked around this bug.         2) kmail hangs on sending. still not worked around.  No crashes.
[23:45] <xelister> Tm_T: 4.4.2, and Im about to try 4.4.4 in a second
[23:46] <apachelogger> maybe you should report bugs then?
[23:46] <apachelogger> just a thought there
[23:47] <xelister> Version 1.13.3  on kde 4.4.4 ... it hangs identically
[23:48] <Tm_T> I havent got Kmail running since ... january?
[23:48] <xelister> why?
[23:49] <xelister> btw me too, it was crashing ALWAYS because of akonadi.  fixed that bug.
[23:49] <apachelogger> maybe you should report bugs then?
[23:49] <xelister> I do
[23:49] <Tm_T> xelister: never been crashing because of akonadi for me
[23:49] <xelister> I talk to you, kde devels, ubuntu devels
[23:49] <xelister> that way I can hope to resolve it in hours instead days... weeks.. months
[23:49] <Tm_T> KDE 4.5 development, it's not yet out of "eats your mails" state quaranteed
[23:49] <xelister> or yeares, as for some kde bugs
[23:49] <apachelogger> xelister: #kontact
[23:50] <Tm_T> xelister: with bug report numbers, also with friendly attitude
[23:50] <apachelogger> fregl: something tells me tat the extender stuff of my latest opaque updates have some issue
[23:51]  * apachelogger gets unbordered parts in the top right corner of extender items at times
[23:51] <apachelogger> fairly often actually
[23:51] <apachelogger> also some build tools hate me: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fluffy-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.lucid/".