[00:05] <SkEmO> how hard is to make a network boot on a local network?
[00:12] <zus> does anyone have a ppa for ktorrent 4.
[00:24] <Apollonovich> jesus, this is depressing.  lots of people asking questions, nobody answering any of them.
[00:26] <zus> looks like  many people are joining in so hang in there...im still waiting on if the ktorrent ppa is out till then im trying to get it out of the googles
[00:27] <stanley_>  I am new to this
[00:27] <stanley_> I need some help
[00:28] <zus> !help
[00:28] <stanley_> how can I get Java to operate properly in Linux
[00:28] <stanley_> ok
[00:29] <zus> :)
[00:29] <stanley_> I think my Java is installed properly, yet when I try to play a game, the game does work
[00:29] <Apollonovich> stanley_: apt-get autoremove java :-P
[00:29] <Apollonovich> sorry...no religious wars...
[00:30] <stanley_> i will try  the auto remove
[00:30] <Apollonovich> what does java -version give you?
[00:30] <stanley_> I need to go to my laptop now to enter
[00:31] <stanley_> I am not sure what it gives me. I am using kubuntu 10.04 now
[00:31] <stanley_> wait amin
[00:31] <Apollonovich> yeah, me too....and I'm seriously missing 9.10.
[00:35] <zus> http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid try this if this helps any...i am working on a fresh install in fact
[00:35] <stanley_> sudo apt-get autoremove -p is not working. it tells memalformrf line 54 in source list...
[00:36] <stanley_> it tells me malformed line 54 in source list..
[00:36] <Apollonovich> stanley_, before this gets out of hand, I was just joking.  the implication was that you can solve your java problems by deleting java.  I apologize for being a dick.
[00:36] <stanley_> ok I will remove it
[00:37] <stanley_> I am a serious player in Pogo.com and need java. I think 10.04 is still riddled with problems
[00:37] <Apollonovich> zus: most of my complaints seem to be around nepoku, but I may end up doing a clean install.  have you had any issues with nepoku being a resource hog beyond any reasonable level?
[00:37] <Apollonovich> stanley_: I think you're right.
[00:37] <Apollonovich> one thing you might try as a temporary solution could be whipping up a vm of 9.10 or debian
[00:38] <stanley_> well for now I am using my desktop which has a GOOD 9.10
[00:39] <stanley_> i  will try to just update 10.04 on laptop till issues are solved with java
[00:39] <zus> Apollonovich,  not really,...
[00:39] <Apollonovich> my biggest issues seem to be kdbg crashes...and so does the entire system occasionally.
[00:39] <Apollonovich> though the latter could be an undiagnosed hardware issue...but I realy hope not.
[00:42] <stanley_> bye all .  I want to leave a website with all of you. See if you can use it to shop online.
[00:42] <stanley_> www.marketamerica.com/stanline\
[00:42] <stanley_> bye
[00:45] <zus> Apollonovich,  brb,...
[00:52] <SkEmO> can i use netboot to boot another pc, not the current im using?
[00:53] <zus> Apollonovich,  ya might have to wait till someone who knows, i cant help. sorry
[00:53] <SkEmO> hello zus
[00:53] <zus> hi SkEmO
[01:01] <zus> SkEmO,  will this help? http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Remote-Boot.html
[01:02] <wimesvit_> hi
[01:02] <SkEmO> :O, i think it might
[01:03] <zus> mmm grilled cheese with bacon, now thats what im talking about,...now the ppa for ktorrent? i'd rather not compile it. last time didnt work to well
[01:08] <zus> SkEmO,  there is this one too, http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howtos/Howtoremoteboot/index.html
[01:41] <eBUG> cant get Kubuntu 10.04 to store my display resolution
[01:41] <eBUG> ATI 4650
[01:41] <eBUG> p5b mobo
[01:50] <zus> is anyone using ktorrent 4.0?
[01:54] <mase_wk> not at  the moment
[01:54] <mase_wk> but i have / do
[01:57] <zus> mase_wk,  i dont see it in kpackagekit,..it should be in there, and last night i  tried to compile it but that wasnt working...
[01:59] <mase_wk> zus: ok well it's definately in the repos, i guess just make sure you have universe enabled
[01:59] <mase_wk> i would have just done apt-get install ktorrent
[02:00] <mase_wk> so it will definately be in the repo
[02:01] <40FAA1OMQ> Hello,how to make ibus support chrome?
[02:01] <zus> apt-get install ktorrent give me the same version i've got,...let me check once more on the universe
[02:01] <mase_wk> zus: you wanted version 4.0 specifically ?
[02:01] <phoenix__> i want to upgrade my kde v4.4.2 to v4.5 beta1. i dont know how to do, can anyone help me
[02:02] <phoenix__> i am using kubuntu lucid lynx
[02:02] <mase_wk> phoenix__: sure. are there packages available ?
[02:02] <mase_wk> if so i can help you
[02:02] <phoenix__> mase_wk: i saw it in kde webpage
[02:02] <mase_wk> kde != kubuntu
[02:02] <mase_wk> kubuntu uses kde
[02:02] <zus> mase_wk,  well the newest one the one i got now is acting  wired
[02:03] <zus> ktorrent.org has it as the latest stable release.
[02:03] <phoenix__> mase_wk: is there a way to upgarde it from kpackagekit
[02:03] <mase_wk> zus: ok well i'm just using whatever is in lucid. so if you want a newer one you will need to compile it from src and you probably need the -dev packages for a lot of kde to do that
[02:04] <mase_wk> phoenix__: if you have a repository of packages then yes. If no one has created packages for kubuntu then no
[02:05] <phoenix__> mase_wk: i found a repsitory in a page can you tell me whether it will work
[02:05] <mase_wk> phoenix__: if its a debian repository for kubuntu lucid it will work
[02:05] <mase_wk> if its not , then it probably won't :)
[02:06] <mase_wk> zus: there are lots of BT clients if you find ktorrent is not working as you would like it to
[02:06] <mase_wk> transmission is a popular one
[02:06] <mase_wk> and will be available in the repos as well
[02:07] <phoenix__> vuze is also nice
[02:07] <zus> mase_wk,  ktorrent was fine till the other day though, i began using it when i couldnt figure any of the other ones heh.
[02:08] <mase_wk> zus: till the other day ?
[02:08] <mase_wk> what happened the other day ?
[02:09] <zus> for one i recently lost all my info so i re-torrent-ed some files, and i couldnt download anything
[02:10] <mase_wk> zus: do you have enough disk space free ? you shouldn't lose files or settings unless you have deleted the .kde directory. Ktorrent would have to be pretty horrible to do something like that so i am thinking your issue isn't ktorrent related
[02:11] <zus> ....lost was well seeded even,  either way. i did noticed its use and feel was totally  not normal
[02:11] <zus> mase_wk,  oh yeah definitely i had just lost 250gigs of stuff
[02:12] <mase_wk> well ktorrent can't 'lose' anything. if its not on the disk it's self you have other issues. Either disk or filesystem issues
[02:12] <mase_wk> first off, do you have enough free disk space ?
[02:13] <mase_wk> on that partitiion
[02:13] <mase_wk> your /home partition
[02:14] <zus> yes  the home is plenty free got  a 40gig for kubuntu and a 250 for a back up...
[02:15] <mase_wk> ok, just to make sure can you pastebin the output of df
[02:17] <zus> this is a fresh install. which is why i was asking for the latest version...
[02:19] <mase_wk> zus: I can promise you ktorrent isn't deleting your files.
[02:19] <mase_wk> if you have lost files , you have an issue elsewhere.
[02:20] <zus> no no im sure it wasnt, i did have a problem beforehand, when trying to re get what i've lost then i noticed i wad some issues
[02:21] <mase_wk> i'm happy to try and help you find your files or work out  the issues, but if you would like me to try and help you, i really need you to follow the instructions though
[02:21] <mase_wk> otherwise we're both just wasting time
[02:22] <zus> i thank you for your help and time,  but right at the moment, i am on a clean install sofar no issue,..i just wanted the new version
[02:24] <mase_wk> zus: you will need to compile the new version if thats what you are after.
[02:26] <zus> ok...
[02:28] <SkEmO> kubuntu doesent have minimal cd?
[02:28] <SkEmO> wth...
[02:31] <zus> brb
[02:32] <Fargle> Anyone know anything about a compiz problem? Something about software rasterizers...
[02:35] <Fargle> Never mind.
[02:35] <Fargle> Found #compiz.
[02:48] <Guest11121> i need help please. I need to edit something in the sources.list file
[03:10] <rsouthard> Hello all. I have a Sprint Mobile Broadband usb dongle that works great in gnome. When i boot into kde, the option for mobile broadband is greyed out. Is there a kde package that i need?
[03:28] <technodenbow> holy wow.. been at least 10 years since last visit to IRC
[04:11] <pochet> hello
[04:11] <pochet> hola
[04:21] <markus_> hi all!
[04:22] <mase_wk> hi markus_
[04:22] <markus_> im using Konversation :)
[04:23] <markus_> so is there a history to your nick mase
[04:24] <mase_wk> nah just nick :)
[04:24] <markus_> :)
[04:24] <markus_> u wanna talk in private?
[04:25] <mase_wk> not really sorry. Happy to discuss kubuntu related stuff in here though
[04:25] <markus_> nice :)
[04:26] <mase_wk> currently at work, just hang out here to help people as required
[04:29] <markus_> ok :)
[04:30] <markus_> I just started a webpage the other day, and Im thinking maybee to implement som chat stuff, maybee irc on my page.. :)
[04:31] <markus_> It was realy easy :)
[04:31] <markus_> but I still cant get my webcam working :(
[04:32] <markus_> ore my micline in :(
[04:32] <markus_> or my soundboard :(
[04:32] <markus_> or running my hardrives in raid :(
[04:33] <markus_> or running anny cool games, or I mean Jade Dynasty was working a while, in wine, and Vdrift was kind of fun to :)
[04:34] <markus_> I used to steal stuff like and then I was always playing cs and mod, I miss that now that Im leagal :) but it is worth it rigth?
[04:37] <markus_> are you on Konversation to?
[04:48] <SkEmO> anyone here has used the minimal cd to install ubuntu/kubuntu?
[05:15] <SkEmO> whats the command to install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:15] <SkEmO> sudo install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:18] <licensed> SkEmO, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[05:19] <SkEmO> -ful-upgrade?
[05:19] <SkEmO> full*
[05:20] <SkEmO> i get a list of stuff and at the end it says "this aptitude does not have super cow powers" xD
[05:40] <Zhenya> hi guys, i'm having lots of trouble getting my monitors to be not clones of each other and set the correct resolution. Any one in here can lend a hand? ibm thinkpad t41
[06:03] <sandipan> hello
[07:27] <bronlar> hi all
[07:55] <jarod__> cc
[08:01] <bronlar> wow, netsplit
[08:30] <Zhenya> hi! I am having lots of video issues, and was wondering if anyone could help me! i'm on a thinkaad t41
[09:01] <ZachK_> hello rajdhani
[09:02] <bronlar> hi all
[09:03] <ZachK_> hello bronlar
[09:04] <bronlar> hiyas, just playing treeto-pia on facebook atm
[09:04] <bronlar> got some neat appz running in kubuntu 10.04 now
[09:04] <bronlar> just fixed a friends pc with teamviewer
[09:39] <batiste> http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/13541#comment:8
[09:41] <bronlar> so, wazzat??
[09:41] <well_laid_lawn> batiste: pls don't post links without a comment or explanation
[09:45] <batiste> The date filter posted belove is a more fuzzy version of timesice filter. I believe that timesince provide too much information: "4 days, 6 hours". Do we really need to know about the 4 hours?
[09:47] <batiste> Woups wrong channel sorry :-)
[09:47] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[10:03] <BiggFREE> Hi
[10:32] <Ongawezyrke> ola penguinz
[10:33] <Ongawezyrke> wtf ikonia bruder?
[10:39] <anthony> hello.  I have installed 10.4 and get no headphone output. tried everything on the threads (i think), can anybody help?
[10:40] <well_laid_lawn> anthony: done the alsamixer thing?
[10:41] <anthony> wll_laid_lawn: yeah.  ran a special script to update it outside of synaptic as well
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> k - what's the sound card?
[10:42] <anthony> well_laid_lawn: thanks for the reply!
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> heh np :]
[10:42] <anthony> well_laid_lawn:  conexant...
[10:43] <well_laid_lawn> anthony: what does   lspci | grep audio   return?
[10:43] <anthony> well_laid_lawn: I AM a newbie, so i lost the command, thanks.... one sec
[10:45] <anthony> well_laid_lawn:  sorry, is that a command to see the sound card?   i'm an idiot
[10:45] <well_laid_lawn> anthony: yep
[10:45] <well_laid_lawn> anthony: we were all newbbies once :]
[10:46] <anthony> well_laid_lawn:  intel 82801I    Ich9 family
[10:46] <well_laid_lawn> !intelhda | anthony
[10:46] <well_laid_lawn> it might have a clue anthony
[10:47] <anthony> well_laid_lawn: i'm in Nepal, and would love to pay someone.... haven't found them.    I have been on the How to, and  Can't seem to get any changes.
[10:48] <anthony> well_laid_lawn: going again, now....
[10:48] <well_laid_lawn> anthony: sorry but that's the limit of my sound debugging knowledge
[10:49] <anthony> well_laid_lawn:  thanks so much for the reply, anyway.   first one i've got since i left Linux mint!
[10:49] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[10:49] <SkEmO> where is the energy management on kubuntu? cant find it
[10:49] <well_laid_lawn> anthony: it helps to give lots of details mate
[10:50] <well_laid_lawn> if you can
[10:50] <anthony> well_laid_lawn:   thanks. while we're at it.  i need to learn to post screen shots, and terminal output, here, i know. maybe i'll learn soon. any quick advice?
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> there's
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> anthony: ^^
[10:51] <anthony> well_laid_lawn:  word
[10:52] <anthony> thanks again
[10:52] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[10:52] <SkEmO> where is the energy management on kubuntu? cant find it
[10:53] <well_laid_lawn> SkEmO: if noone knows now ask again in a bit when more folk are awake :]
[10:55] <SkEmO> xD ok
[11:10] <SpaceMan> SkEmO: look in the display settings
[11:10] <SkEmO> not there
[11:10] <SkEmO> its on advance settings
[11:22] <bronlar> hiu laid lawn
[11:22] <bronlar> how r ya?
[11:37] <Walzmyn> How is it that kpackagekit can download/install without needing my password?
[11:38] <well_laid_lawn> Walzmyn: in terminal type   whoami   pls
[11:39] <Walzmyn> well_laid_lawn: why? it returned my user name
[11:40] <well_laid_lawn> Walzmyn: was checking to see if it returned root
[11:40] <Walzmyn> oh
[11:40] <Walzmyn> root's not enabled
[11:41] <Walzmyn> kpackagekit will install critical updates without my password, but I don't really like that. One of the reasons I abandoned Winders
[11:41] <well_laid_lawn> if you do   sudo -s   it returns root from    whoami   ...
[11:41] <Tm_T> Walzmyn: you have selected "install security updates in background" during the installation process
[11:42] <well_laid_lawn> there you go
[11:42] <Walzmyn> Don't remember doing that
[11:44] <Walzmyn> kpackagekit was broken for most of my tenure in 9.10 and I just updated to 10.04, not a clean install
[11:47] <Walzmyn> ok, the only option in kpackkit's settings is to edit the sources. How do I turn auto-updates off?
[11:50] <dcorbin13> I'm having a problem that is I think starting KDE (as opposed to x).  What's another windows manager that  can install easily and test with?
[11:51] <well_laid_lawn> fluxbox is easy
[11:52] <dcorbin13> And to start it, just run fluxbox?
[11:53] <well_laid_lawn> startfluxbox
[11:53] <well_laid_lawn> like startx
[11:59] <dcorbin13> well_laid_lawn: startflux "cannot opend display ''".  I'm used to starting KDE via kdm, so I'm sure there's something very basic I'm missing.
[12:00] <bronlar> try gdm
[12:01] <well_laid_lawn> dcorbin13: you can select it from sessions in kdm or make a .xinitrc file in your home folder
[12:02] <well_laid_lawn> dcorbin13: sorry about that - all wm need X to start either with a *dm or .xinitrc
[12:04] <dcorbin13> No worries.  That started fine, so it's KDE crapping out on me.  What log file would be helpful?
[12:06] <dcorbin13> I login in at kdm (or just startx) and it just ends while it's putting up the "boot progress icons".  One time I saw the first one, but usually I don't.
[12:31] <paurumint> Hi to all the family members!!! :D
[12:34] <paurumint> Hey guys, when i run 10.04 from a live Cd it works fine but when i install it to my netbook my wireless doesn't work even when it sees the networks
[12:46] <edi_99> Hi guys. Is sudo apt-get install apache2 sufficient, or do I have to modify some files after the install? I don't need MySQL and PHP. Thanks.
[12:51] <well_laid_lawn> edi_99: for the basics yep - but there are some safer options you can use in the configs - they're well documented
[12:52] <edi_99> well_laid_lawn: OK, if I have any trouble I'll be back :) Thank you.
[12:52] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[13:09] <dcorbin13> KDE is crapping out on me right after login (before it finishes starting).  Xorg.0.log doesn't show any errors.  Any pointers welcome.
[13:10] <shadeslayer> dcorbin13: here have a pointer : int *p : :P
[13:10] <well_laid_lawn> dcorbin13: tried moving .kde to .kde-bak and then logging in?
[13:14] <corpsicle> hi im a kde n00b, how do i turn off graphical effects ?
[13:14] <corpsicle> oh, found it =D
[13:14] <dcorbin13> well_laid_lawn: it craps out even without a .kde
[13:15] <well_laid_lawn> k
[13:16] <n8w> hey guys
[13:17] <n8w> how do i configure cups?ive got all my printers set but i cant print out anythin..no errors no nothin, ive got no idea what wrong
[13:21] <amichair> dcorbin13: maybe try reinstalling plasma-desktop and/or kdebase-workspace (I had a similar symptom when upgrading from karmic, and this solved it)
[13:24] <dcorbin13> amichair: doe I have to remove them, or is there apt-get option for reinstalling?
[13:24] <amichair> dcorbin13: I think just apt-get install, and it will fix it if it's broken
[13:25] <dcorbin13> Nope. It just says its installed
[13:26] <amichair> also make sure you're apt-get updated just in case
[13:26] <dcorbin13> Iam.  That was my first stop.
[13:27] <amichair> there's also apt-get install -f
[13:27] <amichair> if none of these work, I guess it's a different problem
[13:46] <reagleBRKLN> I can't connect to and update from ppa, is this true for anyone else?
[13:59] <corpsicle> is it just me or is kde a _lot_ slower than gnome ?
[13:59] <corpsicle> ive turned off all desktop effects
[14:02] <corpsicle> operapluginwrapper seems to be a hog
[14:04] <corpsicle> nop, X is still taking 30 - 70% cpu >_<
[14:07] <soee> someone who is usng CuteCom?
[14:16] <apparle> soee: I use it
[14:16] <soee> apparle: so maybe u know how to make it work with oss?
[14:16] <apparle> soee: what are you using cutecome for? and by OSS you mean OpenSoundSystem?
[14:18] <soee> apparle: my boss want me to use voip @ home so i need some stuff for it, since im using kubuntu here iv foud cutecom  and yes oss is opensoudsystem
[14:19] <apparle> soee: I don't know, search for a better voip client
[14:19] <apparle> soee: doesn't it work out of box?
[14:20] <soee> apparle: nope
[14:20] <soee> apparle: it can see only ALSA in configuration
[14:20] <soee> nothing more
[14:20] <apparle> soee: try running it in konsole to see if it generates any errors
[14:20] <soee> ok
[14:21] <apparle> soee: earlier I used to use OSS: at that times I found that some libasound.so or some library used to mess with applications, so I had to preload it
[14:22] <apparle> soee: actually I don't think applications are designed ALSA or OSS specific,
[14:22] <apparle> soee: does kmix work for you
[14:23] <laoxdat> hello
[14:23] <soee> apparle: when i run qutecom via console i have this msg few tmes: (warn) 15:22:43 [Common] snd_mixer_t* open_mixer(const char*): failed to attach mixer to card default No such file or directory
[14:24] <apparle> soee: what is the name of the program exactly? cutecom or qutecom
[14:24] <soee> apparle: ah my mistake before its qutecom
[14:25] <soee> apparle: and kmix works fine
[14:25] <apparle> soee: sorry... I have used cutecom, not qutecom....... that's why i was wondering how were you using it for VoIP (Cutecome is a terminal software for serial port)
[14:25] <soee> ah ok
[14:29] <apparle> soee: from this it seems not possible http://www.opensound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3530
[14:30] <apparle> soee: why do you use OSS?
[14:30] <soee> apparle: yeah im googling to: http://www.calculate-linux.org/packages/net-im/qutecom
[14:30] <soee> apparle: cuz only oss works fine with my sc and 5.1 speakers
[14:32] <apparle> soee: try compiling it will port audio and see if it works
[14:45] <harjot> Anyone have any idea on my keyboard problem? :
[14:46] <harjot> After a while i cant type unless I hold the key which makes:
[14:46] <harjot> hheelloo
[14:46] <harjot> So i have to do a ctrl-alt-bckspce
[14:57] <bronlar> layters all
[15:02] <henkka-> hi
[15:02] <henkka-> could someone tell me how to enable java for firefox
[15:03] <bazhang> !java
[15:12] <Lord_Rahl> what happened to the color themes in kate? all I have normal & printing
[15:15] <Lord_Rahl> so no one uses kate? :P
[15:16] <danielpereira> What is it?
[15:16] <danielpereira> I've forgot
[15:16] <Lord_Rahl> what happened to the color themes in kate?
[15:16] <danielpereira> What is kate?
[15:16] <Lord_Rahl> danielpereira: lol Kate - Advanced Text Editor
[15:17] <danielpereira> mmmmmmmm............
[15:17] <danielpereira> Isn't it from KDE 3?
[15:18] <Lord_Rahl> look like the removed the color themes in kde  4.4.2
[15:18] <carlosleon> Hi there! o/
[15:19] <danielpereira> hi
[15:25] <greenmang0> what package should i install to get volume and screen brightness keys on laptop to work?
[15:26] <henkka-> could someone tell me how to enable java for firefox
[15:29] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-:  sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-fonts
[15:29] <henkka-> thx
[15:29] <henkka-> I have java runtime
[15:29] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: np
[15:29] <henkka-> and it works with conqueror
[15:29] <henkka-> but
[15:29] <henkka-> not with firefox
[15:29] <FloodBotK3> henkka-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:30] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: i think you need sun-java6-plugin
[15:30] <henkka-> i'll try that anyway incase it fixes it
[15:30] <henkka-> just wanted to supply more informationj
[15:30] <henkka-> =D
[15:30] <henkka-> hmm it says could not find package
[15:30] <supermagnum> hello, i recalibrated my battery using the function in BIOS. My battery monitor in KDE now shows 95% even if the battery is fully charged.
[15:31] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: did you enable the the exrta repos
[15:31] <greenmang0> can anybody tell me what package do i need to install to get screen brightness laptop keys working?
[15:31] <greenmang0> Lord_Rahl: ^^
[15:31] <henkka-> which extra repos?
[15:33] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: are you using kpackagekit or term
[15:33] <henkka-> terminal
[15:33] <Lord_Rahl> greenmang0: what laptop you have
[15:33] <henkka-> anyway
[15:34] <henkka-> java works for konqueror.. but konqueror is very slow i was hoping it would be faster with firefox... i dont know
[15:35] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: do this in term: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:35] <henkka-> it says vim: command not found
[15:36] <Lord_Rahl> vim.tiny
[15:36] <dcorbin_work> Is there a command that will tell me all of the packages I've explicitly added to a system?
[15:37] <henkka-> there's now blue colored ~ on the terminal window and underneath reads "etc/apt/sources.list" [new directory]
[15:37] <greenmang0> Lord_Rahl: http://is.gd/cB5mF
[15:37] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: sudo vim.tiny /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:38] <henkka-> yeah that's what i wrote
[15:38] <odhinn> Morning
[15:38] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: you need a / before etc
[15:39] <odhinn> can someone explain how to use pastbin again, so I can ask my question properly?
[15:39] <henkka-> there's a pageful of text now
[15:40] <henkka-> with the /
[15:40] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: Ok scroll down to the bottum you will see deb but they have a # in front of them remove them
[15:41] <LjL> dcorbin_work: should be aptitude search '?installed ?not(?automatic)'
[15:41] <LjL> a forum thread also gives an obscure aptitude search '~i!~E' | grep -v "i A" | cut -d " " -f 4
[15:42] <Lord_Rahl> greenmang0: see if this helps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/429351
[15:42] <henkka-> so do i've to save the changes somehow
[15:42] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: hit the Esc key then type :wq
[15:42] <odhinn> When I used kate to edit my fstab this morning, I was rewarded with a new error msg, it's a bit verbose tho, how should I post it?
[15:43] <henkka-> ok
[15:43] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: then do sudo apt-get update, now try to install sun plugin
[15:43] <henkka-> still says couldnt find package
[15:43] <Lord_Rahl> did you run the apt-get update
[15:44] <henkka-> sometime ago
[15:44] <Lord_Rahl> you have to do after you save the source.list
[15:44] <henkka-> ok
[15:44] <henkka-> now it found the package
[15:45] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-: cool
[15:47] <henkka-> kk thanks it works now
[15:47] <henkka-> and doesnt have the slowness problem liek with konq
[15:48] <odhinn> when I used kate to edit my fstab this morning, I was rewarded with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/444074/
[15:48] <Lord_Rahl> henkka-:sweet
[15:56] <vit> ave
[15:57] <greenmang0> Lord_Rahl: thanks for the link :)
[16:01] <tsimpson> odhinn: don't run kate with sudo, use kdesudo
[16:01] <odhinn> ahhh....thank you
[16:01] <jinzougen> The numbers on my Calendar are super-huge, but the font is fine everywhere else. How can I fix this?
[16:02] <odhinn> follow up question....how can I list the UUID's of my drives for use in fstab?
[16:02] <DarthFrog> odhinn: sudo blkid <drive>
[16:02] <odhinn> tyvm
[16:02] <odhinn> BTW....morning, DarthFrog
[16:03] <DarthFrog> Good morning, young padwan.
[16:03] <DarthFrog> :-)
[16:03] <DarthFrog> odhinn: actually, just "sudo blkid" will give you the UUIDs of all drives.
[16:03] <odhinn> tyvm
[16:04] <odhinn> if I want to specify the drive I do so with "sda" or "sdb", correct?
[16:04] <DarthFrog>  /dev/sda ....
[16:04] <odhinn> ahh...the /dev/ part was what I was missing
[16:04] <odhinn> ty again
[16:06] <harjot> Anyone have any idea on my keyboard problem? :
[16:06] <harjot> After a while the keyboard wont type unless i hold down the key
[16:06] <DarthFrog> And you have to specify the partition, too.  so it'd be "sudo -U /dev/sda1" for the first partition on the first drive.  "-U" will give only the UUID, it's not required though.
[16:07] <tsimpson> !uuid
[16:07] <tsimpson> I think the -U option changed some time back, it's used for searching for devices with a specific UUID now
[16:08] <DarthFrog> tsimpson: Yeah, I just noticed that.
[16:08] <harjot> Any idea people on my keyboard prob?
[16:08] <harjot> Where would logs to do witha  keyboard be? Xorg?
[16:08] <odhinn> I got my fstab edited fine, but even using kdesudo to run kate I got: http://paste.ubuntu.com/444085/
[16:09] <DarthFrog> odhinn: Have you just updated your system since the last time you logged in?
[16:09] <odhinn> as in with the update manager?
[16:09] <DarthFrog> odhinn: However.
[16:10] <odhinn> when I logged in this morning it said it needed to reboot to apply an update, so I did....
[16:10] <tsimpson> odhinn: those are not errors
[16:10] <odhinn> but not manually, no
[16:10] <tsimpson> unless you want to input non-latin text (like chinese)
[16:10] <DarthFrog> odhinn: Did kate run?
[16:10] <odhinn> yes
[16:11] <odhinn> and worked fine as far as I could tell
[16:11] <DarthFrog> odhinn: Then the universe is unfolding properly, as it should.
[16:11] <odhinn> ok, thank you
[16:11] <tsimpson> IBus is a text input system for character sets like chinese
[16:12] <odhinn> ahh.....now it begins to become clear
[16:12] <DarthFrog> tsimpson: That would be a useful entry for Botty.
[16:12] <tsimpson> !search ibus
[16:12] <tsimpson> hmm
[16:13] <odhinn> I am not "new" to Linux, but I'm not an old hand at it either, so words like "fail" and "could not connect" tend to make me nervous
[16:13] <odhinn> lol
[16:13] <odhinn> morning, shadeslayer
[16:13] <shadeslayer> odhinn: hey :)
[16:13] <tsimpson> it's because IBus uses a DBus connection, but when IBus is not installed there is nothing to connect to
[16:14] <odhinn> that makes sense
[16:14] <harjot> Which logs would be related to the keyboar?D Xorg?
[16:15] <tsimpson> /var/log/Xorg.0.log probably
[16:15] <odhinn> shadeslayer: BTW, thank you much for the reading material you suggested yesterday, very informative
[16:15]  * shadeslayer wonders what he gave to odhinn ...
[16:16] <shadeslayer> odhinn: i have short term memory... especially during exam times :P
[16:16] <odhinn> you sent me the kernel info
[16:16] <shadeslayer> odhinn: oh ok :)
[16:17] <shadeslayer> odhinn: you might also like the #ubuntu-kernel channel
[16:17] <odhinn> ty again
[16:17] <shadeslayer> np
[16:21] <harjot> Can someone help me with my keyboard problem?
[16:21] <harjot> After a while the keyboard wont type unless i hold down the key
[16:21] <harjot> heres my xorg
[16:21] <harjot> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/444101/
[16:21] <harjot> I have to ctrl alt backspace when it gets stick
[16:22] <DarthFrog> harjot: have you tried a different keyboard yet?
[16:23] <harjot> DarthFrog: I really dont think its that, because i can switch to tty1 and the keyboard works fine
[16:23] <DarthFrog> I know you don't think it's that but you haven't ruled it out yet.
[16:24] <harjot> DarthFrog: Even though with a virtual keyboard when it gets stuck, the virtual keyboard has the same problem
[16:24] <harjot> DarthFrog: so it must be a software problem not hardware
[16:25] <DarthFrog> OK, now I agree with you. :-)
[16:25] <harjot> ok
[16:25] <harjot> Does the Xorg log reset when i ctrl alt backspace?
[16:26] <DarthFrog> CTL-ALT-Backspace is no longer the default to restart X.
[16:26] <DarthFrog> But, yes, you get a new log when you restart X.
[16:26] <harjot> Ok
[16:26] <DarthFrog> ALT-SysReq-K is the X restarter.
[16:26] <harjot> So if i ctrl alt backspace, it fixes my problem
[16:27] <DarthFrog> File a bug?
[16:27] <harjot> Im still on 8.04
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Umm, that's ancient.
[16:27] <harjot> Ive been using kubnutu for several years
[16:27] <harjot> Its ancient, but i dont like kde4
[16:28] <DarthFrog> kde4 is upto 4.4.4 now, it's pretty much fully functional.  4.5 will be out soon.
[16:28] <harjot> I just dont like kde4, its like xp to vista, i prefer xp
[16:28] <tsimpson> KDE is configurable, so configure it to your liking ;)
[16:29] <harjot> What if i restart the x server completely?
[16:29] <DarthFrog> harjot: I suggest that you mention that you're running 8.04 whenever you ask for help on this channel.  I, at least, assume that you're running Lucid.
[16:29] <harjot> Sorry
[16:29] <harjot> Yeah i should have mentioned
[16:31] <harjot> So any idea?
[16:31] <harjot> heres the xorg log
[16:31] <harjot> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/444101/
[16:31] <DarthFrog> Nope.
[16:32] <DarthFrog> If it isn't a hardware problem, it's a bug.  And KDE 3.5 is not being worked on.
[16:32] <harjot> Hmmm
[16:32] <harjot> Ok
[16:32] <DarthFrog> So unless you scout around the bug reports, looking for answers, I think you might be SOL.
[16:33] <harjot> yup
[16:33] <harjot> Ok im gonna restart X completely and restart the computer properly
[16:33] <harjot> Brb
[16:34] <harjot> How do i restart x again?
[16:35] <wonttroll> type startx
[16:35] <DarthFrog> ctl-alt-backspace for 8.04
[16:35] <harjot> That restarts X?
[16:35] <harjot> Ctrl alt backspace restarts x?
[16:35] <DarthFrog> It used to.
[16:35] <harjot> on 8.04?
[16:37] <DarthFrog> I don't remember when they switched from C-A-BkSp to Alt-SysReq-K, mind you.  But I think it's been since then.
[16:37] <harjot> Ah ok
[16:37] <tsimpson> it wasn't a "switch" as suck, Alt-SysReq-K always worked
[16:37] <harjot> It doesnt work here
[16:37] <rav> hello. Since I installed lucid, I don't have desktop effects. In the System Settings page, it says "Compositing is temporarily disabled" and a button to resume it. I click it and nothing happens
[16:37] <tsimpson> it actually just kills everything on the current TTY, which is X
[16:37] <tsimpson> and so all X apps also die
[16:38] <harjot> Ok
[16:38] <Zhenya> hi guys, can anyone here please help me with my video issues. I've been asking at least once a day for a few days now with to no avail. I have an thinkpad t41
[16:38] <harjot> Actually, what i havent done is used the latest kernel, im one kernel behind
[16:38] <harjot> Im gonna try switching
[16:38] <rav> Zhenya: what issues? and which video card?
[16:38] <harjot> But i need to then recompile my wifi drivers
[16:39] <Zhenya> rav: thank you. I cannot get dual monitors to work correctly (all i can do is a dumb clone and nothing else)
[16:39] <Zhenya> i'm not sure which video card but i am sure i can look it up if you guide me!
[16:39] <wonttroll> @harjot: Do you still use kubuntu hardy?
[16:39] <harjot> yes
[16:39] <apparle> rav: have you tried disabling kms
[16:40] <harjot> wonttroll: I quite like kde3
[16:40] <wonttroll> ok
[16:40] <rav> apparle: there is no kms running. what is it?
[16:41] <rav> Zhenya: if you do 'lspci' in a terminal, you can see which video card do you have
[16:41] <apparle> rav: kms is kernel mode setting, which is default turned on in lucid. I have to disable it to have effects on my graphics card
[16:41] <Zhenya> rav: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)
[16:42] <rav> apparle: how do i disable it?
[16:42] <rav> Zhenya: i don't know much about that one, I have nvidia. but i guess that if it works well on one monitor, it should work on two
[16:43] <Zhenya> unfortunately thats not the case
[16:43] <Zhenya> if i chance the resolution
[16:43] <Zhenya> everything gets garbled and i cant make anything out and I have to hard reset the machine
[16:44] <apparle> rav: boot with "nomodeset" or disable it for particular driver as in my case "radeon.modeset=0"
[16:45] <rav> Zhenya: you can try installing a program called 'envy-ng', and use it to download the ATI drivers
[16:45] <apparle> Zhenya: you are using which version of kubuntu?
[16:45] <Zhenya> rav: i'm a total noob is this going to kill me
[16:45] <Zhenya> apparle: i am running 10.04 :D
[16:46] <Zhenya> last night i did this http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml and it fixed the plymouth screen but now when i change resolutions, it doesnt eve affect anything anymore
[16:46] <rav> apparle: how do i do that? heh. It says that composite is active now, but a notification pops saying that it couldn't initalize the effects
[16:46] <ubuntu> ацлруа
[16:47] <ubuntu> how to install kubuntu from usb flash?
[16:47] <apparle> rav: I don't know about that, but I have heard that proprietary nvidia drivers and kms donot work well
[16:48] <peexl> try http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[16:48] <rav> apparle: how do I boot with nomodeset?
[16:49] <apparle> rav: while booting, in grub, press e to edit the command, edit the line which ends with "quiet splash" and add " nomodeset"
[16:49] <apparle> rav: and then press Ctrl+x
[16:49] <apparle> rav: that will be temporary,
[16:50] <apparle> rav: at next boot it will be back to the default
[16:50] <rav> ah
[16:53] <apparle> rav: boot with it, if that works then we will make it permanant
[16:53] <rav> apparle: i'll give it a try
[16:53] <Zhenya> apparle: any ideas? ( i see that you are busy with rav)
[16:54] <apparle> Zhenya: the proprietary drivers will not work with your card, since they have declared it to be legacy
[16:54] <apparle> Zhenya: wait i'll do some googling
[16:54] <Zhenya> apparle: THANK YOU!!
[16:55] <Zhenya> i  tried but got nothing useful
[16:57] <mrcodex> ola
[16:59] <apparle> Zhenya: what is the ouput of 'xrandr -q'
[17:00] <Zhenya> apparle: http://pastebin.org/303490
[17:02] <apparle> Zhenya: and how do you clone the monitors?
[17:02] <Zhenya> i just plugged it in and they are cloned, i might have gone to monitor section and clicked clone
[17:04] <apparle> Zhenya: and how do you obtain the dual desktop (the garbled screen)
[17:05] <rav> apparle: I can't even see the grub screen :(
[17:05] <apparle> rav: what do you mean, can't even see the grub screen?
[17:05] <Zhenya> well when before i fixed the plymouth screen, i was able to go into display setting and drag the monitors away from each other into postion and then change the resolution to desired. I would click ok and it would just garble everything. even if i didnt change the rez, it would do the same...
[17:07] <apparle> Zhenya: ok try this command "xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of LVDS"
[17:07] <rav> apparle: during boot. it's an empty screen, then the new fancy kubuntu bootsplash. i can't see the grub list where you choose a different kernel to boot and that stuff
[17:07] <Zhenya> apparle: ok if you loose me i'll be back after a reboot!
[17:08] <apparle> rav: how did that happen?
[17:08] <Zhenya> apparle: returned : xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 3200x1080)
[17:08] <apparle> Zhenya: ok wait
[17:09] <apparle> Zhenya: which is on your left? VGA or LVDS
[17:09] <Zhenya> left is my laptop screen, right is the external
[17:10] <rav> apparle: it's been like that since i started using lucid. i'm trying to find menu.lst and is not there. is grub different now?
[17:11] <apparle> Zhenya:  try this "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1280x960 --pos 0x0 --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x960 --pos 1280x0"
[17:12] <odhinn> rav: Grub 2 is now the default bootloader in Lucid
[17:12] <apparle> rav: ya here it is grub2, but we can come to that later, do you know why you don't get that screen at al
[17:12] <Zhenya> apparle: returned another kind of error (btw thank you so much for helping me!!!!! i truly truly appreciate it)
[17:12] <Zhenya> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 2560x960)
[17:12] <apparle> Zhenya: ok wait
[17:13] <apparle> ok everyone else, what is the command to generate the Xorg.conf?
[17:13] <rav> apparle: i guess it's hidden so it boots directly to the new bootsplash and looks cool and fancy
[17:14] <apparle> Zhenya: just to make sure, earlier (maybe on different OS) you were able to setup dual monitors both at 1280x960
[17:14] <apparle> rav: ok open the file "/etc/default/grub"
[17:14] <Zhenya> apparle: correct, i can boot into xp right now and get 1920xwhatever on the vga and 1400xwhatever on the laptop monitor
[17:14] <Zhenya> i can reboot into windows and get you the exact numbers
[17:15] <apparle> Zhenya: no need
[17:15] <odhinn> rav: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Where%20did%20my%20Grub2%20boot%20menu%20go!?!?!
[17:16] <Guenther> hi. can anybody give me a hint how to split a dvd9 into two dvd5s without recompressing?
[17:16] <odhinn> rav: that tells how to comment out the hidden grub2 menu
[17:16] <rav> odhinn: thanks
[17:16] <odhinn> np
[17:16] <odhinn> had that issue yesterday
[17:16] <odhinn> lol
[17:16] <Zhenya> apparle: I am VERY excited to fix this! last night for the first time i was so frustrated that i thought about going back to xp for the first time in about a year
[17:17] <apparle> Zhenya: I am not experienced in dual monitors but lets try
[17:17] <Zhenya> apparle: thank you!
[17:18] <shadeslayer> !twinview | Zhenya
[17:18] <shadeslayer> !dual | Zhenya
[17:18] <Zhenya> shadeslayer: i have a legacy card
[17:18] <apparle> shadeslayer: what is the command to generate the xorg.conf
[17:18] <fabio333> !nvidia
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apparle: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[17:19] <apparle> shadeslayer: non nvidia people
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apparle: you can pass more options,have a look at the man page
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apparle: ah..
[17:19] <shadeslayer> lemme think..
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apparle: $ sudo Xorg -configure
[17:20] <shadeslayer> apparle: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html
[17:20] <apparle> shadeslayer: no not that one
[17:20] <shadeslayer> apparle: then which one? :P
[17:21] <anirban> is there any blur plugins for kwin
[17:21] <apparle> Zhenya: try this "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 800x600 --pos 0x0 --output VGA-0 --mode 800x600 --pos 800x0"
[17:21] <shadeslayer> anirban: yes,in the new kde 4.5
[17:22] <Zhenya> apparle: WOWOWOWO
[17:22] <Zhenya> IT WORKS!!
[17:22] <anirban> thats not relase yet i think
[17:22] <Zhenya> the resolutions are wrong but i have dual motitoes!!
[17:22] <apparle> Zhenya: if that works then we can bring higher resolutions
[17:22] <odhinn> motitoes?
[17:23] <Zhenya> apparle: you are a techno-god
[17:23] <Zhenya> haha
[17:23] <odhinn> are those related to mohitos?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> anirban: theres beta 1
[17:23] <anirban> where can i get it
[17:23] <Zhenya> odhinn: yeah, they both make me feel gitty
[17:23] <Zhenya> :P
[17:23] <odhinn> lmao
[17:23] <anirban> i am in kde 4.4.4
[17:23] <Zhenya> dual motitoes=double fisting
[17:24] <Zhenya> wait,when i type double fisting, it reads a lot worse on the internet than when i say it in the bar
[17:24] <Zhenya> apparle: so should i try punching in different resolutions into your code?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Zhenya: yes,youll need to edit the --pos option as well
[17:25] <apparle> Zhenya: that is not the solution as you cannot exceed 1920x1920
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Zhenya: the second one...
[17:25] <Zhenya> apparle: only one of my monitors is 1920
[17:25] <Zhenya> you mean 1920 TOTAL?
[17:26] <apparle> Zhenya: ya
[17:26] <apparle> Zhenya: you will have to configure xorg.conf to obtain virtual screen of larger size
[17:26] <Zhenya> apparle: ic, do you know how i would go about doing that?
[17:26] <rav> apparle: i booted with 'nomodeset' and the screen went into low-res and squished for putting a non-widescreen image on my widescreen monitor
[17:27] <apparle> Zhenya: writing xorg.conf would be way too confusing for you. there is a command to generate xorg.conf (I don't remember it)
[17:27] <Zhenya> :(
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Zhenya: http://bit.ly/xorgconf
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Zhenya: loads of links :)
[17:28] <Zhenya> shadeslayer: thanks, i will poke through them
[17:29] <shadeslayer> Zhenya: and google is your freind while using ubuntu :)
[17:29] <Zhenya> shadeslayer: i've noticed ahahah
[17:29] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:30] <rav> do lucid and compiz get along?
[17:30] <apparle> rav: no idea then..... but I suggest you first confirm, whether you are having problem or anything else
[17:33] <rav> apparle: when i clicked on "resume compositing" i got a popup saying "these effects couldn't be initialized" and a list of all the effects
[17:35] <Zhenya> ok guys, 'm going to mess around with the monitor stuff, but meanwhile i have another questions
[17:36] <Zhenya> my sound quality is SIGNIFICATLY worse than the with XP. even when i turn down the PCM volume, what gives?
[17:46] <apparle> Zhenya: ok do one thing
[17:46] <Zhenya> ready!
[17:47] <apparle> Zhenya: download this http://paste.ubuntu.com/444142/
[17:47] <apparle> Zhenya: and use the download as text option... donot copy or you will get the line numbers
[17:48] <Zhenya> gotcha
[17:48] <Zhenya> done!
[17:49] <apparle> Zhenya: where have you saved the file
[17:49] <Zhenya> on the desktop
[17:50] <Zhenya> i know my way around the terminal a decent bit
[17:50] <Zhenya> should i move it to etc/X11
[17:50] <Zhenya> as xorg.conf
[17:50] <Zhenya> ?
[17:50] <apparle> Zhenya: ok copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:50] <Zhenya> w000t, i knew sometihng:
[17:51] <Zhenya> done :D
[17:51] <Zhenya> apparle: should i reboot?
[17:51] <apparle> Zhenya: now reboot.... and if you don't get any display at all then you have to delete that file
[17:52] <Zhenya> how do i do that if i cant see anything?
[17:52] <Zhenya> cntr-alt-f2 ?
[17:52] <apparle> Zhenya: the recovery mode in the grub menu
[17:52] <Zhenya> gotcha ok here goes NOTHIN :D
[17:52] <Zhenya> thanks apparle, i will be back :D
[17:58] <Zhenya_> apparle: i am back!
[17:58] <apparle> Zhenya: any problems ?
[17:58] <Zhenya_> after futsing wit the monitor outputs i got it oto woork once
[17:58] <Zhenya_> but now its just doing this weird gray thing on the vga monitor
[17:58] <Zhenya_> but its KIND of working
[17:59] <apparle> Zhenya_: you get dual desktops?
[17:59] <Zhenya_> again kind of, it worked once, but then i tried to up he laptops resolution and it killed the vga
[17:59] <Zhenya_> once i tried to bring i back down no luck
[17:59] <Zhenya_> still playing with it give me one sec
[18:00] <apparle> Zhenya_: you are changing the resolutions in the command or in system settings?
[18:00] <Zhenya_> system settings
[18:00] <Zhenya_> should i try the command line?
[18:01] <Zhenya_> so when i unplug and plug the vga monitor
[18:02] <apparle> Zhenya: try this "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1400x1050 --pos 0x0 --output VGA-0 --mode 1920x1080 --pos 1400x0"
[18:02] <Zhenya_> it shows a clone for a second and then just does this weird houndstooth/weird gray fading pattern
[18:02] <Zhenya_> tried that and nothing
[18:02] <Zhenya_> then i turned the monitor off and on
[18:03] <Zhenya_> again a quick low rez clone and then the fading pattern
[18:03] <apparle> Zhenya_: what happens when you give that command
[18:03] <Zhenya_> visually nothing
[18:03] <KOPRajs> hi there, I'm on Kubuntu Lucid... I have Package manager set to "only notify about updates" but it have just done something in background and then buble showed that "updates installed and that I need to restart"... what's that?
[18:03] <apparle> Zhenya_: do you get any error
[18:03] <Zhenya_> nope
[18:04] <Zhenya_> can i try rebooting one time?
[18:04] <Zhenya_> brb
[18:04] <Zhenya_> apparle: is that a good idea?
[18:04] <apparle> Zhenya_: I don't know.... reboot, and then try that command
[18:04] <KOPRajs> and how can I find out what updates got installed?
[18:08] <Zhenya> apparle: IT WORKED!!
[18:08] <Zhenya> i booted up without the vga connected and then plugged it in
[18:08] <Zhenya> ran the konami kode in konsole
[18:08] <Zhenya> and it worked :D
[18:09] <Zhenya> thank you !!!
[18:09] <Zhenya> i will be back in 3 min
[18:10] <odhinn> Morning, BluesKaj
[18:10] <BluesKaj> hi odhinn
[18:12] <BluesKaj> just reinstalled lucid after trying maverick...too early days even for me :)
[18:12] <odhinn> lol
[18:12] <odhinn> no worky, eh?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> well, crashes, freezes became a pita
[18:13] <odhinn> nod
[18:14] <BluesKaj> gonna join wifey outside ... bbiab
[18:14] <odhinn> okie doke
[18:14] <odhinn> woops
[18:14] <KOPRajs> anyone can tell me how can I find out what updates got installed recently?
[18:15] <Pici> KOPRajs: Check /var/log/dpkg.log
[18:15] <KOPRajs> thx :)
[18:19] <James147> KOPRajs: there is also /var/log/apt/*
[18:19] <goodtime> http://www.backtrack-linux.org/
[18:21] <BluesKaj> goodtime, , what do you think of backtrack ?...it's pretty retro in it's look and couldn't handle my nvidia onboard graphics
[18:21] <BluesKaj> kde3 and all that
[18:23] <Zhenya> apparle: thank you for help
[18:23] <apparle> Zhenya: so finally everything working as you want?
[18:25] <Zhenya> apparle: on the monitor front :D
[18:25] <Zhenya> now i need to figure out why my sound quality is significanty worse than when i boot into xp
[18:25] <Zhenya> and my random kernel panics
[18:25] <Zhenya> apparle: thank you so much for helping me wit the monitors
[18:26] <Zhenya> its such a pleasure to use my machine now!
[18:26] <apparle> Zhenya: regarding sound I can't help... personal experience > if you have big speakers then turn sound card volume to 60%
[18:26] <Zhenya> the pcm of the master?
[18:26] <Zhenya> *or
[18:26] <apparle> Zhenya: both
[18:26] <amichair> is there any way to add additional desktop effects? e.g. the fire closing windows and other stuff I remember seeing a couple years ago?
[18:26] <Zhenya> gotcha
[18:26] <Zhenya> is there a way to do that via konsole?
[18:27] <apparle> Zhenya: run alsamixer
[18:27] <apparle> Zhenya: if nothing works you could try OSS drivers but they lead to further problems
[18:27] <BluesKaj> Zhenya, you may pulseaudio installed , it's redundant sine alsa can stand on it's own on most setups , espaecilly onboard soundcards
[18:27] <BluesKaj> have
[18:27] <Zhenya> BluesKaj: gothca
[18:28] <Zhenya> i'lll try the 60% and the alsamixer
[18:28] <Zhenya> thanks y'all
[18:28] <Zhenya> `1 more dumb question
[18:28] <goodtime>  BluesKaj idk im not running it i might thoe for some laughfs
[18:28] <Zhenya> how come the cool
[18:28] <Zhenya> visual tab thing is gone with two monitors?
[18:28] <BluesKaj> Zhenya, you can safely remove / purge pulseaudio ...it's just another layer od digital hash processing to muck up the sound
[18:29] <apparle> Zhenya: visual tab thing?
[18:29] <Zhenya> BluesKaj: OH OK
[18:29] <Zhenya> how do i do that?
[18:29] <Zhenya> apparle: correct
[18:29] <apparle> Zhenya: I meant what do you mean by visual tab thing
[18:30] <BluesKaj> goodtime, backtrack never asked me to set ausername or pw and then after installing it asked for them...go figure , some security OS that is :)
[18:30] <goodtime> hahaha
[18:30] <Zhenya> apparle: oh haha, when you press alt-tab it did the cool 3d window thing where i could see all the windows kind of like coverflow on the iphone
[18:30] <goodtime> weird
[18:30] <BluesKaj> Zhenya, sudo aptitude remove pulseaudio
[18:31] <Zhenya> BluesKaj: ok its running lets see what happens
[18:32] <apparle> Zhenya: check in system settings>desktop> . As I said earlier I never had any experience with dual monitors.
[18:32] <Zhenya> BluesKaj: do i need to reboot for things to work
[18:32] <apparle> Zhenya: do you have any desktop effects enabled or all of them are disabled
[18:32] <Dolgo> hi
[18:32] <James147> Zhenya: that effect dose work on dual monitors (on one monitor at a time)
[18:32] <amichair> Zhenya: I have dual monitors and the cover effect works fine. maybe it just got turned off or something?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Zhenya, not usually on linux
[18:32] <Zhenya> amichair: they seem to be on
[18:33] <Zhenya> enable desktop effects is turned on
[18:33] <BluesKaj> ok, gotta cut the grass ...BBL
[18:33] <Zhenya> and the correct effect is selected
[18:33] <BluesKaj> before the rain
[18:34] <Zhenya> hmm when i try to switch effects and switch back it says in the notication tray
[18:34] <Zhenya> the following effects could not be activeated
[18:34] <Zhenya> and then gives a long list....
[18:35] <apparle> Zhenya: is your card capable enough to run all the effects and provide dual desktop(since you have very high resolutions).
[18:35] <Zhenya> apparle: probably not. so i am ok with this! thanks guys
[18:36] <apparle> also consider that the linux radeon open source driver is not very efficienct (rather its poor)
[18:36] <Zhenya> apparle: hopefully things will run faster anyways
[18:37] <apparle> ok bye guys I got to go
[18:38] <Zhenya> apparle: thanks again!
[18:38] <apparle> no problem
[18:40] <lawohn> howdy all -- i have a question about the system tray/task bar
[18:40] <lawohn> i was tryign to clean up my desktop and closed the 'notification area' but it completely remogvfed my system tray
[18:41] <lawohn> is there an easy fix to this that isn't resettting my kde folder?
[18:41] <James147> lawohn: systray and notification area are the same widget, you can add it back by rightclicking the panel -> add widgets -> find and drag tghe systray back
[18:42] <lawohn> thanks james
[18:47] <acemo> is it possible to reduce the size of the global notifications?
[18:56] <Ep5iloN_> acemo: what you mean?
[18:56] <acemo> Ep5iloN_: for example, the notification i just got because you mentioned my name, is really big
[18:57] <odhinn> later all
[19:01] <acemo> Ep5iloN_: i am used to notifications from growl (mac, see link for a picture: http://growl.info/screenshots.php) these notifications area nice and small. I would like to have something in that direction instead of the default kde huge notifications
[19:19] <ikhider> Hello, I just did an upgrade on my desktop (kernel upgrade I think) and now no longer have access to the xserver. "unable to connect to xserver"
[19:20] <ikhider> any suggestions?
[19:21] <ikhider> When I do startx, I get all these error messages
[19:23] <amichair> is there any way to add additional desktop effects? e.g. the fire closing windows and other stuff I remember seeing a couple years ago?
[19:23] <ikhider> Hello, I just did an upgrade on my desktop (kernel upgrade I think) and now no longer have access to the xserver. "unable to connect to xserver"
[19:39] <obert> hi,how to unistall totally a program?
[19:41] <arcade> So, this might sound trollish, but it's my system, and I'm new to Kubuntu 10.04 (my previous install was 8.04).  So far the setup has been horrible.  :-/  I installed with encrypted home.
[19:41] <arcade> The system crashes quite a bit more often.  Complete freezes, especially when doing heavy disk-access (possibly due to it being 'encrypted home'.  Didn't have this problem with whole-disk encryption).
[19:42] <arcade> Is this well-known, and should I just re-install without encrypted home, going back to whole-disk encryption?  Or is kubuntu 10.04 just unstable compared to 8.04 in general ?
[19:43] <amichair> arcade: maybe related to bug #482509?
[19:44] <amichair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/482509
[19:44] <arcade> amichair: sounds very familiar yes.
[19:45] <arcade> amichair: I have experienced it with other heavy disk access though.
[19:46] <amichair> arcade: I have as well (although I don't recall if it's recurred since I upgraded to 10.04 or not). Perhaps you can add your input to the bug report, and help them pinpoint the issue?
[19:46] <arcade> amichair: If I can reproduce it again w/o ktorrent I will. :)
[19:47] <amichair> arcade: in general, I find lucid to be more stable, and a smoother desktop experience (much fewer lags and freezes)
[19:47] <ikhider> I no longer have access to the xserver. "unable to connect to xserver"
[19:47] <amichair> but that's a personal anecdote, I suppose :-)
[19:47] <arcade> amichair: Not my experience so far. :-(
[19:47] <ikhider> after the last upgrade just an hour ago
[19:47] <ikhider> How do I get my x back?
[19:48] <arcade> amichair: Between crashes and krunner crashing (alt+f2) - I'm pretty much fed up with 10.04 .. unfortunately just downgrading won't help much
[19:48] <arcade> amichair: God how I miss how alt+f2 worked in 8.04
[19:48] <ikhider> : - (
[19:48] <James147> arcade: try disabling some of the krunner plugins
[19:49] <arcade> James147: I just have to restart it, it has crashed, again.
[19:49] <amichair> alt-f2 has become a bit more... annoying, but still seems to work. Though I don't use it extensively at all.
[19:49] <James147> arcade: I found it works alot nicer without a few of the plugins espically the nepomuk one
[19:49] <arcade> amichair: That's how I launch everything, and it's become almost unusable.
[19:49] <ikhider> "Fatal server error, no screens found"
[19:49] <arcade> James147: Yes, wtf is nepomuk anyways?
[19:50] <James147> arcade: its allows indexing and tagging of files
[19:50] <amichair> ikhider: sorry, I'm no X expert... I hope someone comes around soon that knows better...
[19:50] <arcade> James147: ... gawds.
[19:50] <James147> arcade: so that you can rate/tag/comment any file on your system and allow quick searching for them
[19:50] <amichair> arcade: I'm sure you'll love the new size of the .kde folder, thanks to the nepomuk db :-/
[19:50] <hagabaka> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-dont-need-no-stinking-nepomuk-right.html
[19:50] <James147> arcade: its rather slow atm sepically the indexing part :S
[19:51] <arcade> James147: To be quite honest, that sounds like the stupidest invention ever.
[19:51] <Ep5iloN_> James147: nepomuk's idea is good, but at least in my case it use too much resources for that
[19:51] <arcade> Ep5iloN_: Disagree.
[19:51] <James147> Ep5iloN_: Agree, I think for the most part it is a good idea, just not very usable atm
[19:52] <James147> arcade: you can disable it via: system settings > advanced > (nepomuk | desktopsearch)
[19:52] <raindog> hagabaka: Good article on nepomuk.
[19:53] <arcade> James147: Yeah, that hung. :P
[19:53] <arcade> James147: Great, the thing HUNG when I clicked apply. :P
[19:53] <ikhider> Hello, I just did an upgrade on my desktop (kernel upgrade I think) and now no longer have access to the xserver. "unable to connect to xserver"
[19:54] <arcade> ... and after xkilling the hung app, it doesn't want to restart.  great.
[19:54] <Ep5iloN_> arcade: James147 just after completely disabling it(startup and run processes) PC even works much better...
[19:55] <Ep5iloN_> As i said at least in my case.
[19:56] <arcade> Ep5iloN_: Well, hopefully my computer will work a tad better again now.  I think I'll just need to reinstall and remove the encryptfs shait too, and go back to LUKS.  Which actually worked.
[19:56] <ikhider> Does the current Kubuntu even have an xscreen? Maybe they went all austere
[19:56] <arcade> Whomever thought up using encryptfs instead of LUKS was obviously on drugs.
[19:56] <ikhider> maybe it is all links, and screen and stuff
[19:56] <Ep5iloN_> arcade: could be
[19:56] <Ep5iloN_> by the way, is their somebody who runs KDE on nVidia Quadro 140M...?
[19:56] <James147> Ep5iloN_: I had random applications decide to cause my entire pc to grind to a halt when it was indexing, though they work fine when its disabled... wish they would work on stableising things abit more :(#
[19:57] <ikhider> An upgrade should not disable the freaking computer
[19:57] <Ep5iloN_> James147: I see...
[19:57] <ikhider> I just clicked the little upgrade icon and poof! Gone is the Xserver.
[19:57] <amichair> ikhider: any chance you did some manual graphics drivers installation in the past?
[19:58] <ikhider> amichair, Nope--I am not that sophisticated
[19:58] <amichair> ikhider: do u have an xorg.conf?
[19:58] <ikhider> I let the install thingy do all the work for me. Yep, I should
[19:58] <ikhider> amichair, yes
[19:59] <ikhider> amichair, Wait--I do have an Nvidea driver, I had to click and get that
[20:00] <Ep5iloN_> What about my message? ;)
[20:00] <amichair> ikhider: you mean using the hardware manager GUI?
[20:00] <ikhider> amichair, yes
[20:01] <amichair> ikhider: and is this your first restart following that?
[20:01] <ikhider> amichair, Yes. After the update, an icon said I must restart
[20:01] <ikhider> and now all I have is command line
[20:02] <amichair> ikhider: hmm... what were to happen if you made a backup of xorg.conf, and then removed it and restart?
[20:03] <ikhider> amichair,  Restart without Xorg? Will that not give me nothing but more command line?
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ikhider,, if you've installed the new driver , run sudo nvidia-xconfig , again
[20:04] <BluesKaj> ikhider, then startx
[20:05] <amichair> ikhider: that's no worse than you have now :-) just kidding - I believe since karmic if it doesn't exist some default is detected, or something like that
[20:05] <amichair> ikhider: oh, BluesKaj knows his stuff. Do what he says :-)
[20:05] <ikhider> amichair, "failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module"
[20:06] <ikhider> BluesKaj, Yep, I ran the command, no dice
[20:06] <amichair> maybe try reinstalling the nvidia drivers?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> ikhider, you may need to do sudo service kdm stop , if you get a screen error then startx  again
[20:07] <ikhider> BluesKaj, what is the exact command?
[20:07] <BluesKaj> sudo service kdm stop
[20:08] <ikhider> BluesKaj, 'stop: unknown instance:'
[20:09] <BluesKaj> maybe amichair is right . then do , sudo aptitude install nvidia-current
[20:10] <ikhider> BluesKaj, done, what is next?
[20:11] <amichair> ikhider: did it install, or say that it's already there?
[20:11] <ikhider> amichair, 0 installed, upgraded, etc
[20:12] <BluesKaj> ikhider, was there any output from that last command ?
[20:12] <BluesKaj> ikhider, did you see a grub menu at boot ?
[20:12] <ikhider> BluesKaj, yeah, it went through the process of getting everything--but it is already updated
[20:13] <ikhider> BluesKaj, yes
[20:14] <ikhider> BluesKaj, I have a solidstate drive for my OS and a terabyte for files
[20:14] <arcade> Now, if I could figure out how to kill X with ctrl+alt+backspace again, the world would be good.
[20:14] <BluesKaj> aha new HW , hmmm
[20:14] <ikhider> BluesKaj, Same setup since I first installed
[20:16] <amichair> arcade: there's one such option under systemsettings->Language stuff -> keyboard layout -> advanced. But maybe there's a simpler way too.
[20:16] <BluesKaj> well, that's a setup with which I'm not real familiar , so I'm rekuctant to go much further.
[20:16] <BluesKaj> reluctant
[20:16] <arcade> amichair: Gawds, so that's why dontzap doesn't work anymore.
[20:16] <ikhider> Why does an update disable the xserver?
[20:17] <amichair> ikhider: how about if you remove the nvidia drivers, just to see if we can pinpoint that as the culprit? e.g. 'sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current'
[20:18] <arcade> amichair: Why on earth they've changed all the nice behaviour that was easily configured through config files to this menu-driven shait is beyond me.
[20:19] <arcade> amichair: If the good ol' config files were _reflected_ and _mirrored_ through the menus, I would be good with it.
[20:20] <ikhider> amichair, Okay, removed, what is next?
[20:20] <amichair> arcade: I'm sure they are, maybe just different ones. Google says https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap
[20:20] <amichair> ikhider: restart
[20:21] <lamacand> hi running 10.4 applied last kernel update and cannot start kde get a message could not start ksm server what to do?
[20:21] <arcade> amichair: Indeed.  MEH
[20:22] <arcade> amichair: Wouldn't bother me where the option was if the default was sane. :P
[20:22] <ikhider> amichair, the puter seems to be winking at me a lot. Top left hand cursor flashing....
[20:22] <BluesKaj> gotta go...later folks
[20:22] <arcade> meh, I should start grumpbuntu. For the grumpy ol' bastards who want things to work the way they're used to ;P
[20:22] <amichair> well, there goes the expert. Oh, the pressure... :-)
[20:23] <amichair> arcade: lol
[20:23] <amichair> arcade: I'm sure you'll have quite a following
[20:23] <arcade> amichair: That's the worst part of it ;P
[20:23] <ikhider> puter seems to be going though restart
[20:23] <ikhider> mania
[20:24] <slow-motion> hi
[20:24] <amichair> ikhider: ?
[20:24] <arcade> amichair: But alas, too much work.  Even though it is tempting.  Every time I install a new version of ubuntu it feels like they've changed everything into sillyness.  And it's getting worse.
[20:25] <arcade> But, time to watch battlestar galactica with the wife. *gone*
[20:25] <amichair> arcade: good luck :-)
[20:26] <ikhider> amichair, Like the top left hand corner, a cursor flashes, shows some specs, restarts, cursor, screen refreshes, shows specs....wait....now it is the same problem as before...no xserver
[20:27] <amichair> ikhider: guessing here... maybe make sure everything is properly up to date using 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
[20:28] <ikhider> amichair, Yeah, did all that already. That was what got me in this mess in the first place.
[20:28] <ikhider> amichair, Kind of reminds me of when I ran Gentoo
[20:29] <amichair> ikhider: not sure what more to try... might as well reinstall nvidia drivers (possibly using -f)
[20:29] <ikhider> amichair, updates would screw me over. Luckily Gentoo users are pretty knowledgeable and got me going. But when I installed using two drives I could not use it anymore because I am too dumb
[20:30] <lamacand> now trying with console and getting no write access to /home/...../.ICEauthority
[20:31] <ikhider> what is the command to reinstall the xorg server?
[20:31] <ikhider> Maybe that will fix it
[20:31] <James147> lamacand: make sure .ICEauthority isent owned by root
[20:33] <amichair> ikhider: I think that would be 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg', and then 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-current' for the drivers. you can try adding '-f' switch to force fixing broken stuff.
[20:33] <James147> amichair: that will only attempt to install it, not reinstall
[20:33] <James147> ikhider: sudo aptitude reinstall <package> will try to reinstall the package
[20:34] <ikhider> amichair, Can you explain -f?
[20:34] <ikhider> What would the command look like with -f
[20:34] <amichair> ikhider: James147 can :-)
[20:34] <James147> ikhider: -f will try to fix broken dependencys
[20:34] <amichair> ikhider: 'sudo apt-get install -f <package>'
[20:35] <StevenR> hi. How do I alter the categories that a kaddressbook contact is a member of? Using kaddressbook 4.4.2 seems to have no way of doing this. V 4.3 seems to have the ability
[20:35] <amichair> ikhider: as James147 says, for xorg you'll have to reinstall, and then nvidia (which is currently not installed) u can just install.
[20:35] <James147> amichair: ikhider: or just "sudo apt-get install -f" to attempt to fix all dependencys
[20:36] <ikhider> James147, Tried it, puter says I have the latest and greatest of everything
[20:37] <ikhider> ...
[20:37] <James147> ikhider: could you rediscribe your problem, I only came in 1/2 way though :)
[20:38] <amichair> ikhider: try adding the nvidia drivers back, maybe it'll do it right this time
[20:38] <ikhider> James147, I updated my puter by pressing the little update Icon. after the update, the puter said I must restart
[20:38] <ikhider> James147, when IO restarted, all I had was command line and no access to xserver
[20:38] <James147> ikhider: what have you tryed so far?
[20:39] <ikhider> To install nvidia drivers, to reinstall nvidia, to remove nvidia, to reinstall xorg...
[20:40] <lamacand> james147 how do i do that
[20:40] <James147> ikhider: Try renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf and trying (if you ahve one)
[20:40] <ikhider> James147, NVIDIA: FAiled to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[20:40] <amichair> ikhider: didn't do the install nvidia step again, iirc
[20:40] <James147> lamacand: ls -l ~/  will show you the premisions and who owns it
[20:41] <amichair> James147: we tried booting with no xorg.conf too, no difference
[20:41] <ikhider> James147, what command specifically?
[20:41] <amichair> ikhider: you did do that before, right?
[20:41] <James147> lamacand: sudo chown USER:USER ~/.ICEauthroity   will change the owener to USER and group to USER
[20:42] <ikhider> amichair, I did reinstall nvidia like you saidf
[20:42] <ikhider> amichair, I removed and tried, I reinstalled and tried
[20:42] <James147> ikhider: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak  will do it (reverse the names to move it back)
[20:43] <ikhider> James147, It works!
[20:43] <ikhider> I am back to X!
[20:43] <James147> ikhider: :)
[20:44] <ikhider> James147, Thanks! can you explain why it worked?
[20:44] <amichair> ikhider: oh, I thought that's what we tried long ago... must have misunderstood. but glad it worked :-)
[20:45] <James147> ikhider: looks like there is an error in the xorg.conf, xserver no longer need xorg.conf to work it will try to auto detect settings if there isent one, renaming it makes it try to auto detect
[20:45] <James147> ikhider: you can try running "sudo nvidia-config" to recreate the xorg.conf if you want to (i think you need to if you wnat to use the nvida drivers)
[20:46] <James147> ikhider: if it breaks delete xorg.conf and it should work again :)
[20:47] <amichair> say, does anyone know what's the difference between the backports ppa and the "unsupported updates" backports repository?
[20:48]  * James147 is also wandering that
[20:48] <ikhider> James147, Yeah, I get the low res screen. i am trying to restore it to the pristine beauty it was before
[20:49] <James147> ikhider: you will need to recreate the xorg.conf then, sudo nvidia-config will do that
[20:51] <harjot> How would i install the base kde4 packages on a kde3 system in order to run kde4 apps?
[20:52] <James147> harjot: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[20:52] <harjot> 8.04
[20:54] <harjot> For example, how would i get kde4-config working?
[20:54] <harjot> Without install kde4
[20:55] <harjot> installing*
[20:59] <harjot> Any idea?
[20:59] <James147> harjot: can't 8.04 install both kde 3 and 4? (can't quite remember that long ago) also, you might want to note that 8.04 was not an LTS and has reached end of life
[20:59] <harjot> yes
[21:00] <harjot> Are you sure? Why is it called kubuntu 8.04LTS ?
[21:00] <harjot> Im trying to avoid installing a full kde4
[21:00] <James147> harjot: ubuntu was a lts, kubuntu wasent -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[21:01] <harjot> Oh
[21:01] <harjot> Ok
[21:01] <DarthFrog> harjot: I believe Ubuntu 8.04 was LTS but Kubuntu wasn't.
[21:01] <harjot> Ok
[21:01] <harjot> Im trying to install kdenlive
[21:01] <DarthFrog> The Kubuntu chaps didn't want to be stuck supported KDE 3.
[21:01] <DarthFrog> Cuz KDE 4 wasn't ready for prime-time then.  It is more than ready now.
[21:01] <harjot> how would i get kde4-config command working/?
[21:02] <harjot> Kdenlive wont install because kde4-config isnt there
[21:02] <harjot> What can I do
[21:02] <harjot> ?
[21:03] <DarthFrog> Install KDE 4.  In 8.04 you should be able to have both KDE 3 & 4 installed side-by-side.
[21:03] <ikhider> James147, amichair --thanks--tyhings are back to relative normalcy. Some glitches, but at least I got my X back. *sigh*
[21:03] <harjot> DarthFrog: I barely have enough space for that
[21:03] <harjot> DarthFrog: All im trying to do is install kdenlive
[21:03] <amichair> ikhider: cool, good luck with the rest :-)
[21:04] <DarthFrog> THen I think you need a paddle specfic to the creek youi're in.  Sorry.
[21:04] <harjot> lol?
[21:05] <DarthFrog> Do you have an external hd you could use?
[21:05] <James147> harjot: you going to need to install some of kde4, try looking for a minimal package (kde-minimal maby?) and see if you ahve enough room for that
[21:05] <amichair> James147: <ScottK> Unsupported updates backports is official Ubuntu backports.  The backports PPA is something Kubuntu devs do that's not an official part of Ubuntu.
[21:05] <harjot> James147: kde-minimal is not in kde3
[21:06] <James147> harjot: kde4*
[21:06] <AnxiousNut> is there a kubuntu netbook launcher? what is its name?
[21:06] <harjot> kde4-minimal is not a package unless i add the kde4 repos
[21:06] <amichair> AnxiousNut: what do you mean by 'launcher'?
[21:06] <James147> AnxiousNut: ?? application launcher? appart from the desktop activity there is no spica launcher for the netbook
[21:07] <AnxiousNut> amichair, yes, something similar to ubuntu's netbook-launcher
[21:07] <James147> harjot: I dont know the exact names but i remember there being a minial package of some sort for kde at once point in kubuntus life :)
[21:08] <harjot> ok
[21:08] <James147> AnxiousNut: not sure what ubuntu's netbook-launcher is :S
[21:09] <amichair> AnxiousNut: I'm still not sure what you mean, but perhaps it's the plasma-netbook package (which replaces the standard plasma-desktop)
[21:11] <amichair> AnxiousNut: you can currently run either one or the other. there's a plan (hopefully for maverick) to make them switchable at runtime, or at least selectable at login
[21:11] <James147> amichair: you cant? I sware I was able to switch between them :S
[21:11] <James147> amichair: although there where some side-effects :)
[21:12] <AnxiousNut> im running gnome and i'd like to install KDE's desktop interface only (the one with widgets) without installing the panels and the other apps that comes with kubutnu-desktop! is it plasma?
[21:12] <amichair> James147: last I know of, you can kill one and start the other manually, but nothing official.
[21:12] <James147> AnxiousNut: You cannot do that, the desktop and panels are all part of the same package
[21:13] <AnxiousNut> James147, which package?
[21:13] <James147> amichair: noticed a option to switch between them once somewhere although it dident work very well :)
[21:13] <AnxiousNut> James147, what is the name of that package?
[21:13] <amichair> James147: so maybe progress has been made. I think I just saw it on the MM todo list though
[21:14] <James147> AnxiousNut: plasma-desktop   or plasma-netbook
[21:14] <James147> AnxiousNut: not sure how well they will work with out other parts of kde though
[21:14] <AnxiousNut> James147, what are the differences, i have a netbook, but would like to know the diffs
[21:16] <James147> AnxiousNut: plasma-desktop contains the standard interface, the netbook version has a spical "search & launch" activity that lets you launch programs from teh desktop (it makes it easier for touch enabled devices or devices with smaller screens)
[21:17] <James147> AnxiousNut: also the netbook version has a spical panel that behaves differently :S (auto hides) and windows are maximised and borderless (although i think that might be kubuntu-netbook-default-settings or some other package)
[21:18] <James147> AnxiousNut: however, I dont think you can run kde and gnome desktops at the same time
[21:18] <soee> how can i install widget via console ?
[21:20] <James147> soee: could try plasmapkg -i file.plasmoid
[21:20] <James147> soee: dont know what it will do though :)
[21:20] <AnxiousNut> what is the name of the widget that shows desktop contents?
[21:20] <soee> James147: ok ill try
[21:20] <amichair> James147: if you install the full kubuntu-desktop, you can choose a gnome or kde session at the login screen (dunno about plasma-desktop only)
[21:21] <James147> amichair: I know, but you cant run them both in the same session (at least not easaly) :)
[21:21] <amichair> oh, of course :-)
[21:21] <StevenR> How do I alter the categories that a kaddressbook contact is a member of? Using kaddressbook 4.4.2 seems to have no way of doing this. V 4.3 seems to have the ability
[21:27] <AnxiousNut> James147, how can i add the widget of the desktop?
[21:31] <James147> AnxiousNut: not sure what you mean... you can add a widget to the desktop by draging it from the add widget dialog
[21:32] <AnxiousNut> James147, there is a widget/place for the desktop files to show up, how can i add that?
[21:32] <amichair> AnxiousNut: if you mean the desktop folder, the widget is called Folder View
[21:32] <James147> AnxiousNut: Its called folder view I think,
[21:34] <AnxiousNut> James147, thanks, btw for future reference, it doesnt get installed when plasma-desktop is
[21:34] <James147> AnxiousNut: might need plasma-wigets or somthing fo them
[21:35] <AnxiousNut> James147, it's plasma-widget-folderview
[21:35] <amichair> or kubuntu-default-settings
[21:38] <Apollonovich> can anyone recommend a good graphical debugger for kde?  kdbg is unusable (e.g., crashes) in lucid.
[21:39] <James147> Apollonovich: not sure of just a debugger but kdevelop would have one in it.
[21:43] <Apollonovich> hasn't kdevelop been dropped in lucid?
[21:43] <Freddy2> hi
[21:43] <Apollonovich> I noticed it was marked for deletion when I upgraded.
[21:43] <Freddy2> someone having strange problems with artists in amarok after upgrading to kde 4.4.4?
[21:44] <James147> Apollonovich: Its in the backports because it wasent out when lucid was released http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4
[21:44] <Apollonovich> sweet
[21:44] <Apollonovich> I'm actually an oldschool emacs guy :-P...but maybe I'll give it a try.
[21:45] <James147> Apollonovich: :) I like the fact you can use vim inside it :)
[21:45] <Apollonovich> james147: that's how you know it's the one true editor: it permits recursive loading of editors.
[21:46] <James147> Apollonovich: Also noticed that qt-creator and kate can do that as well :D
[21:47] <James147> Apollonovich: although not everything works as well as just using vim :S qtcreater has some issues with the command mode replace :S
[21:47] <Apollonovich> not familiar with qtcreator, but...any good editor should have an integrated shell.
[21:47] <Apollonovich> haha
[21:50] <James147> Apollonovich: qtcreator dosent seem to ahve a full shell it in unfortunitlly, but it does handel all the qt stuff very nicly :)
[21:50] <Apollonovich> nice
[21:50] <Apollonovich> I actually wish I used QT.  I picked my gui toolkit before it went lgpl, and thus was forced to use wxwidgets.
[21:52] <James147> Apollonovich: :( qt is very nice for developing I have found, makes things go so much faster. Espically ui development - cant wait to try out their new qt quick stuff they are buulding
[21:54] <Apollonovich> james147: yeah. and the tools are very polished.  wx's tools are severely lacking, i find myself storing a DialogBlocks project on svn for the form elements, and then copy/pasting that into my main source files every time I update it.
[21:55] <Apollonovich> wow...I just installed qtcreator...and it's NICE.
[21:56] <Apollonovich> on first impression, it looks as polished as recent versions of visual studio (and yes, microsoft does occasionally do something right :P)
[22:02] <Apollonovich> ooh, kdevelop has proper cmake integration working now.
[22:02] <Apollonovich> this is happiness.
[22:07] <hagabaka> why is apt-get trying to remove xserver-xorg but also upgrading some KDE packages when I try to upgrade?
[22:09] <James147> hagabaka: is something conflicting with it>
[22:25] <maq6> alo0000
[22:25] <maq6> mmmmm
[22:25] <maq6> kien se enkuentra aki?¿¡¡
[22:25] <maq6> .....
[22:25] <maq6> hola?¿
[22:25] <maq6> ...
[22:26] <James147> !es | maq6
[22:26] <Tm_T> James147: he's gone already
[22:27] <James147> Tm_T: O well :)
[22:38] <zus_> i dragged my FF icon from my menu, to my desktop...how can i put it back?
[22:39] <James147> zus_: did it disapear from your menu?
[22:40] <zus_> i went bottom right navigated to firefox and dragged onto desktop,...
[22:41] <zus_> James147, hey hwo are you?
[22:41] <James147> zus_: Im alright, dident think dragging it from the menu removed it but copyed it instead
[22:42] <James147> zus_: and was it from your favroiuts or from the actual menu?
[22:42] <zus_> James147,  yeah its not an option anymore im menu,...but a widget on my desktop
[22:43] <zus_> navigate to internet : from there
[22:43] <James147> zus_: weird, dident think it was ment to do that :S
[22:43] <James147> zus_: 1 min
[22:44] <zus_> thanks
[22:48] <James147> zus_: can't test it atm but I didnt think draging it from the menu would remove it... Not sure of an easy way to put it back but you could run "kmenuedit" and add an entry back from there
[22:48] <zus_> James147,  i will try that ... one minute
[22:54] <zus_> James147,  well it doesnt copy it removes it entirely....so you know...what i dont knwo is how to add an icon or FF back in
[22:54] <ToxinPowe> utoid20
[22:55] <James147> zus_: run kmenuedit and add an entry... you will have to fill in all the info though
[22:55] <James147> zus_: or if you have the *.desktop file you can try moving that to one of the locations which are looked for apps, not entirly sure where they are though
[22:56] <zus_> James147,  tell me the command for firefox
[22:57] <zus_> James147,  can you ***
[22:57] <James147> zus_: "firefox"
[22:57] <zus_> James147,  man im getting scatterbrained lol
[23:03] <zus_> James147,  the k menuedit  did the trick
[23:17] <rav> hello. i was here earlier asking about not having desktop effects on a nvidia card
[23:18] <chx> hi. i added a second monitor (right of the first one) and now my panel (right edge of the first monitor) overlaps the full screen windows as if the system lost track how big full screen is
[23:18] <James147> rav: you want to disable the effects?
[23:18] <rav> James147: I want to enable them. but the system settings module gives an error
[23:18] <James147> rav: can you give the error?
[23:19] <n8w> anyone knowin how to get an ipod (5G) workin?
[23:20] <rav> James147: A dialog saying : "Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type. "
[23:20] <n8w> floola asks me for the fwid but  it  never  accepts it...
[23:20] <n8w> amarok crashes
[23:20] <James147> rav: have you enabled the nvidia drivers?
[23:21] <rav> James147: I checked and I have version 173 installed. but I get the feeling I had a higher version on Karmic
[23:21] <rav> James147: and google earth gives me a warning about an error with my drivers and OpenGL, and it runs dead slow
[23:22] <rav> James147: I've also been seen some windows not redrawing themselves when something covers them partially, so I'm starting to think that there is something wrong
[23:23] <James147> rav: try enabling the "current version" drivers :S
[23:24] <rav> James147: how?
[23:24] <rav> James147: I did a fresh install of lucid
[23:24] <James147> rav: run jockey-kde
[23:24] <James147> rav: and install the "current version"
[23:26] <rav> James147: ah. it does say "use this to get desktop effects" :)
[23:26] <James147> rav: although they all say that :)
[23:28] <supermagnum> hi, how do i calibrate my touchscreen ?
[23:28] <srikant> Hi guys,
[23:28] <supermagnum> i run 9.10, the driver is evtouch
[23:29] <srikant> How can I install all the packages from Kubuntu DVD by default ?? Any post install options available>
[23:30] <srikant> Like how the FEDORA allows customization of the packages !!
[23:30] <rav> the "F" word
[23:31] <srikant> How can I install all the packages from Kubuntu DVD by default ?? Any post install options available>
[23:31] <srikant> Like how the fedora distro  allows customization of the packages and allows to select all the packages !!
[23:32] <rav> srikant: I've never installed from DVD, but in sources.list you can use a disc as a repository, to my knowledge
[23:34] <srikant> Yes that will not acheive my requirement, the default X number of packages from DVD has to be default, without having to choose them
[23:43] <rav> James147: it worked, desktop effects are active
[23:44] <rav> James147: though the bootsplash became low-res and non-widescreen. but i can live with that :)
[23:48] <amichair> srikant: there's the OEM installation mode, where u can set up a system as you wish (incluiding any packages you want) and then make an image out of that for further installation
[23:49] <amichair> is it possible to add additional desktop effects to those that come pre-installed?
[23:50] <AnxiousNut> how do i change the icon set theme of file-viewer?
[23:52] <rav> amichair I don't think so, for KWin. But Compiz has more effects
[23:52] <amichair> rav: thanks
[23:53] <rav> amichair: though I have not tried it on Lucid
[23:54] <AnxiousNut> how do i change icon theme in kubuntu?
[23:54] <srikant> amichair: Is OEM mode included in Kubuntu Lucid DVD ?
[23:54] <amichair> srikant: yes, I think it's even in the livecd - one of the boot options
[23:55] <James147>   AnxiousNut System settings > apperence > icon theme
[23:56] <srikant> amichair: Thank you !! I will give a try
[23:56] <amichair> srikant: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuOEMInstaller
[23:57] <AnxiousNut> James147, how can i install that? Just installed plasma in a gnome session