[00:04] <cwillu_at_work> I hate vts
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> I also hate Xorg, non-kms drivers, and the lack of a good way of making xsplash act like plymouth
[10:10]  * DanaG wishes there were an Ubuntu phone.
[10:13] <XorA> ogra: L24.7 kernel improves the native compile issue on omap4
[10:26] <ogra_cmpc> XorA, aha, cooloney can you rebase our package ? ^^^
[10:27] <ogra_cmpc> XorA, does git work with it now ?
[10:28] <cooloney> ogra_cmpc: ok, let me look, thanks for head up
[10:29] <XorA> ogra_cmpc: that still fails :-(
[10:29] <XorA> fatal: git fetch_pack: expected ACK/NAK, got ''
[10:29] <ogra_cmpc> bah
[10:30] <XorA> 24.7 isnt at final release yet I beleive
[10:37] <cooloney> XorA: yeah, got a new branch L24.7 with a new tag:  L24.7-pre-release
[10:38] <XorA> got as far as fs/partitions/msdos.o before kernel build dies now
[11:18] <markos_> ogra: ok, finally I got the first hardfp image (ubuntu-minimal), I had to modify rootstock (named the script to rootstock-native) to make it work without qemu. I still have a couple of probs, mainly I have to preset some debconf values in console-setup otherwise I can't output everything to the logfile -I could use tee, but I'd like the process to be totally automated
[11:19] <markos_> now building ubuntu-standard
[11:19] <markos_> I'll upload them soon
[11:19] <lool> markos_: Cool
[11:19] <ogra> markos_, great
[11:19] <ogra> once you are done, gimme a bzr branch to merge :)
[11:19] <markos_> ogra: I'll file rootstock-native as a bug report to LP
[11:20] <ogra> or that
[11:20] <markos_> I don't use bzr :)
[11:20] <markos_> I'm more of a hg/svn person :)
[11:20] <markos_> (tbh, I've never used bzr, so I'm indifferent)
[11:21] <lool> the photos from http://www.netbooknews.de/16929/arm-freescale-ibm-samsung-st-ericsson-und-ti-schliessen-linux-buendnis/ are decent, but did someone find a video or the slides from the launch presentation?
[11:21] <lool> ECHAN
[11:22] <lool> BTW, Ubuntu is used as part of Linaro which was launched today at Computex; it's an important ARM effort for us
[11:30] <zumbi> great! is linaro a meego competing project?
[11:31] <zumbi> xilinx is missing on the partner list :) (I think it would be good to have them)
[11:32] <markos_> ogra: #589104
[11:32] <amitk> zumbi: no, not competing
[11:32] <ogra> thanks
[11:32] <amitk> zumbi: linaro will contribute directly to upstream and distros like meego can use that work
[11:33] <markos_> bbl
[11:34] <amitk> zumbi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22046787@N03/4664911239/
[11:34]  * zumbi gets excited
[11:49] <lool> http://www.linaro.org/arm-freescale-ibm-samsung-st-ericsson-and-texas-instruments-form-new-company-to-speed-the-rollout-of-linux-based-devices/ is the announcement
[11:51] <zumbi> hehe, maybe linaro wants to sponsor debconf.. :-)
[11:51]  * zumbi hides
[11:56] <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[11:56] <fewfw> Segmentation fault
[11:57] <lool> zumbi: not for profit == we have no money   ;-)
[12:25] <ogra> bah
[12:26] <ogra> why the heck
[12:26] <amitk> too long
[12:26] <ogra> its not
[12:27] <ogra> there we go, sorry for the noise
[12:30] <dev__> ogra is Linaro will be the same as Ubuntu-arm ??
[12:31] <dev__> ogra: Is Linaro will be the same as Ubuntu-arm ?? I had check page https://launchpad.net/linaro/ which mention "Also known as:   ubuntu-arm"
[12:32]  * zumbi `buildcross` in the new queue targetting experimental suite.
[12:33] <ogra> dev__, no, ubuntu-arm is ubuntu
[12:34] <dev__> ok
[12:34] <ogra> there will still be the ubuntu-arm channel and an ubuntu-arm team that specifically works on ubuntu stuff and builds ubuntu images
[12:35] <dev__> Can you point any link which will give me clear idea about relation of Ubuntu-ARM and linaro community ?
[12:35] <amitk> dev__: read the faq on linaro.org. It should answer your questions
[12:35] <amitk> http://www.linaro.org/faqs
[12:36] <amitk> ogra: perhaps the faq link should be in topic
[12:36] <ogra> i wonder if i could drop the debian eabi stuff
[12:36] <ogra> lool, ^^^ any objections ?
[12:36] <ogra> i think we're far beyond that
[12:36] <rcn-ee> do it.. ;)
[12:37] <dev__> amitk, thx for link.
[12:41] <ogra> dev__, i belive the "Also known as:   ubuntu-arm" isnt there anymore
[12:41] <ogra> hmm, no, it isnt
[12:41] <ogra> could someone fix that ?
[12:42] <dev__> It is there https://launchpad.net/linaro/
[12:42] <ogra> yeah
[12:42] <ogra> i missed the light grey on white :)
[12:42] <ogra> i agree its very confusing
[12:43] <dev__> FAQs are very good.
[12:43] <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[12:43] <fewfw> Segmentation fault
[12:44] <lool> ogra: in the topic?
[12:44] <lool> ogra: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiTodo > sure
[12:44] <ogra> lool, nope, under "Also known as:"
[12:45] <lool> ogra: where is that?
[12:45] <ogra> lool, https://edge.launchpad.net/linaro
[12:45] <lool> Also known as ubuntu-arn?
[12:45] <lool> ubuntu-arm?
[12:45] <lool> is that an issue?
[12:46] <ogra> well, it caused confusion already
[12:46] <lool> It's the name we've been using the last couple of months and some URLs might point to it
[12:46] <ogra> i know
[12:46] <lool> I think we can sort out the confusion here
[12:46] <ogra> hmm
[12:47] <ogra> lool, even after mobile was renamed ?
[12:47] <ogra> that smells like a big chaos
[12:49] <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[12:50] <ogra> fewfw, re posting the error message over and over wont get you any answers
[13:00] <ogra> fewfw, how about you give some more info :)
[14:53] <jcrigby> ndec: around?
[14:54] <jcrigby> ndec: ogra sent me to you.  Hoping you can put me intouch with Aneesh at ti.  He posted some initial omap4 patches to u-boot mailing list a week or so ago.
[14:54] <jcrigby> I would like to help if possible.
[15:02] <cwillu_at_work> oh, sweet, that was easy
[15:03] <ndec> jcrigby: hi
[15:04] <jcrigby> ndec:sorry to start a conversation and then leave but I need to drive my kids to school, be back in 20 minutes or so
[15:05] <ndec> jcrigby: no problem. i am in a meeting anyways.
[15:17] <cwillu_at_work> omapfb works fine with -nr, just needs a pScrn->canDoBGNoneRoot  = 1; in the driver
[15:19] <ogra_cmpc> cwillu_at_work, what for do you use that ?
[15:20] <cwillu_at_work> ogra_cmpc, plymouth?
[15:20] <ogra_cmpc> emulating KMS behavior ?
[15:20] <cwillu_at_work> plymouth uses that even with kms
[15:20] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[15:20] <cwillu_at_work> it seems that kms basically allows a driver to act somewhat like omap's frame buffer already works
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc> cool
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc> KMS support for omapbf was discussed at UDS btw
[15:21] <cwillu_at_work> so the only thing needed to get a slick transition to gdm is that one line in the omapfb driver
[15:21] <cwillu_at_work> well, and a nice x11 renderer for plymouth if you want to hide your initialization too, but ya
[15:22] <ogra_cmpc> could it do any harm to other functionallity ?
[15:23] <cwillu_at_work> no, it's only used as an arg to xorg
[15:23] <ogra_cmpc> ah, good
[15:23] <ogra_cmpc> lets add it then :)
[15:23] <cwillu_at_work> it's checked when blanking the root window, and that's it
[15:23] <cwillu_at_work> I threw it in to the end of the pScrtn-><foo> = <bar> block in omapfb-driver.c:232
[15:25] <cwillu_at_work> and the check where it's used is xorg-server-1.7.6/hw/xfree86/common/xf86Init.c:305:  if (bgNoneRoot && pScrn->canDoBGNoneRoot) {
[15:25] <cwillu_at_work> (bgNoneRoot is the -nr option)
[15:25] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[16:05] <cwillu_at_work> ogra, is displaying a boot splash on multiple console's (specifically, multiple console= entries) actually a desired usecase?
[16:06] <ogra> cwillu_at_work, not really, but having it not break if console=ttyS* is set is one
[16:06] <cwillu_at_work> define "not break"
[16:07] <ogra> well, it shouldnt affect tty0 if i define console=
[16:10] <cwillu_at_work> I'm going to do that thing where I make it do what I need it to do, and then describe what I did :p
[16:12] <ogra> well, it would be cool if you would produce an upstreamable fix :)
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> one of these days I should figure out ppa's
[16:21] <ogra> wont help you for arm
[16:21] <ogra> we dont provide arm ppas yet
[17:29] <cwillu_at_work> ogra, remind me, what was the actual bug with plymouth and console= again?
[17:30] <cwillu_at_work> just made a big loop, having gotten the behaviour I wanted, then backing out changes until it broke again.
[17:30] <ogra> cwillu_at_work, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/516825
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 516825 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouth doesnt show any splash as soon as a console= commandline option is used on boot (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Fix released]
[17:30] <cwillu_at_work> The funny thing is that I backed out _all_ of my changes to the package, and it works :)
[17:31] <ogra> heh
[17:31] <ogra> yeah, plymouth is a myth
[17:31] <cwillu_at_work> so, console=tty1 should definitely not work?
[17:31] <ogra> well, the bug is fix released
[17:32] <ogra> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239 is the upstream bug for it
[17:32] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New]
[17:33] <ogra> - Make VT mandatory for renderer plugins, so we fallback gracefully to text when the console is not a VT.
[17:33] <ogra> thats the changelog entry for the fix in the package
[17:33] <ogra> seems slangasek fixed that one
[17:33] <cwillu_at_work> okay, that makes some sense
[17:34] <cwillu_at_work> it's broken in the two console case
[17:34] <ogra> or, no, it was Keybuk
[17:34] <ogra> yes
[17:34] <cwillu_at_work> I can set console=tty0 or I can set console=ttyS2,115200n8
[17:34] <ogra> but tty1 shoudl work
[17:34] <cwillu_at_work> but setting both breaks it
[17:34] <ogra> right
[17:34] <ogra> so the upstream bug is still there
[17:35] <cwillu_at_work> on the other hand, if you have a bootsplash, it doesn't matter so much that you don't have boot output on tty1
[18:35] <tmzt> was linear to tiled framebuffer issue researched following uds?
[21:20] <garyhbaker> Unable to do a NetInstall on a Beagleboard.  Can't find archive.  Is something down.
[21:23] <garyhbaker> During the install process, after it gets to the part where it asks to choose an archive, the only choice is UK.  Ran fine yesterday.  Are there other archives and if so what are their URLs?
[21:24] <lool> garyhbaker: there's only one archive for armel, which is ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[21:47] <gsnedders> Anyone tried to install Lucid on any MX51 device that isn't the Babbage?
[22:21] <amitk> gsnedders: we've only had access to Babbage
[22:21] <amitk> but I suspect a different device would need a different kernel
[22:22] <gsnedders> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking