[00:05] <ChrisWoollard> G'night all. Until tomorrow.
[00:21] <rickspencer3> godbyk, ah, so I screwed this up a bit ... I don';t think xelatex was installed to the right place, and I scipped the "make the sym links step"
[00:22] <godbyk> rickspencer3: everyone does.
[00:23] <godbyk> there's a fix, though
[00:23] <godbyk> did you use the default paths?
[00:23] <rickspencer3> yeah, I just hit "do it"
[00:23] <godbyk> okay
[00:24] <godbyk> type 'sudo apt-get install perl-tk'
[00:24] <rickspencer3> I guess I just need to know where there were put, and drop sym links in /bin/bash and such?
[00:24] <godbyk> then 'sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr --gui'
[00:24] <rickspencer3> ok
[00:24] <godbyk> even better.. there's an option in the gui to do it for you.
[00:25] <godbyk> let me know when you've got the gui up.
[00:25] <godbyk> (or if you hit snags before then)
[00:26] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[00:26] <rickspencer3> lots of snags
[00:26] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:~/Projects/developer-manual$ sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui/tlmgrgui.pl
[00:26] <rickspencer3> Can't locate TeXLive/Splashscreen.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui/tlmgrgui.pl line 17.
[00:26] <rickspencer3> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui/tlmgrgui.pl line 17.
[00:28] <godbyk> it should be at /usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/TeXLive/Splashscreen.pm
[00:28] <godbyk> maybe go into that directory and run ./tlmgr --gui from there.
[00:29] <godbyk> there should definitely be an easier way. :)
[00:29] <godbyk> one moment
[00:29] <godbyk> lemme see if the command-line version has an option for it
[00:30] <godbyk> Try: "sudo tlmgr path add"
[00:31] <godbyk> Try: "sudo tlmgr option path add"
[00:31] <godbyk> (the latter)
[00:32] <rickspencer3> right
[00:32] <godbyk> actually, I take it back.
[00:32] <rickspencer3> so just add /bin/bash/ ?
[00:32] <rickspencer3> oops, ok
[00:32] <godbyk> I think it is just 'sudo tlmgr path add'
[00:32]  * rickspencer3 waits
[00:32] <godbyk> no 'option'.  (the man page is difficult to read.)
[00:32] <godbyk> what happens if you run 'sudo tlmgr path add'?
[00:33] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:/usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive$ sudo ./tlmgr.pl path add
[00:33] <rickspencer3> Can't locate TeXLive/TLConfig.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./../../texmf/scripts/texlive ./../../tlpkg /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./tlmgr.pl line 78.
[00:33] <rickspencer3> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./tlmgr.pl line 78.
[00:35] <godbyk> okay, "cd /usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/TeXLive/"
[00:35] <godbyk> then "sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl path add"
[00:40] <rickspencer3> godbyk, ok, I had to tweak that slightly to run
[00:40] <Kerry_Hatcher> Hi everyone I'm back
[00:40] <rickspencer3> no wait
[00:40] <rickspencer3> oops
[00:40] <godbyk> what'd you have to tweak?
[00:40] <rickspencer3> yeah, I did
[00:40] <rickspencer3> I add to, essentially cd /usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/
[00:41] <rickspencer3> oops
[00:41] <rickspencer3> well, it ran, but with a different error :/
[00:42] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:/usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/TeXLive$ sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl path add
[00:42] <rickspencer3> Can't locate TeXLive/TLConfig.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/../../texmf/scripts/texlive /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/../../tlpkg /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 78.
[00:42] <rickspencer3> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 78.
[00:42] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:/usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/TeXLive$ ls
[00:42] <rickspencer3> Splashscreen.pm  TLConfig.pm    TLMedia.pm  TLPDB.pm   TLPostActions.pm  TLTREE.pm   TLWinGoo.pm  waitVariableX.pm
[00:42] <rickspencer3> TeXCatalogue.pm  TLDownload.pm  TLPaper.pm  TLPOBJ.pm  TLPSRC.pm         TLUtils.pm  trans.pl
[00:43] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:/usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg$ sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl path add
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Can't exec "kpsewhich": No such file or directory at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 315.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Use of uninitialized value $texmfsysvar in scalar chomp at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 315.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Use of uninitialized value $texmfsysvar in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 317.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Can't exec "kpsewhich": No such file or directory at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 4287.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Use of uninitialized value $TEXMFCONFIG in scalar chomp at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 4287.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Use of uninitialized value $TEXMFCONFIG in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 4288.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> cannot setup TLMedia in /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/../.. at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 4074.
[00:45] <godbyk> maybe cd .. and run tlmgr again?
[00:45] <godbyk> (since it has the TeXLive path baked in)
[00:45] <godbyk> I'm not sure.
[00:46] <godbyk> otherwise, you can run the install script again and select that option this time.
[00:46] <godbyk> It *should* detect that you've installed already and not download everything again.
[00:46] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[00:46] <rickspencer3> it concerns me that it's not functioning now though
[00:47] <rickspencer3> let me poke at it a bit
[00:49] <godbyk> 'kay.
[00:49] <godbyk> see what happens when you don't follow the instructions closely? :)
[00:49] <godbyk> (there are quite a lot of symlinks that it creates, so it's best to have it do it for you.)
[00:49] <godbyk> (and if you have suggestions on how I can make those instructions more clear, let me know!)
[00:53] <rickspencer3> godbyk, yeah, I screwed it up
[00:53] <rickspencer3> if I rerun the installer, which directors should I specify?
[00:54] <godbyk> rickspencer3: just accept the defaults and you should be okay.
[00:54] <rickspencer3> screw it, I'm rerunning the installer
[00:54] <rickspencer3> godbyk, so if it says this:
[00:54] <rickspencer3> New value for binary directory [/usr/local/bin]:
[00:55] <rickspencer3> what do I put?
[00:55] <godbyk> you can accept the defaults, typically.
[00:55] <rickspencer3> just hit enter?
[00:55] <godbyk> you should have /usr/local/bin in your PATH environment variable.
[00:55] <godbyk> yeah.
[00:55] <godbyk> brb
[00:56] <rickspencer3> fudge, it's redownloading everything I guess
[00:56] <rickspencer3> good time to take a break
[06:45] <ChrisWoollard> Maybe the ppa would have been a better idea.
[10:00] <ChrisWoollard> This is not strictly a  manual related link. But i did think it an absolute work of genius. So I will share anyway.
[10:00] <ChrisWoollard> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2010/06/02/the_genius_of_the_lego_printer/
[15:17] <nisshh> for anyone who is interested, maverick alpha 1 is out!
[16:45]  * humphreybc-mini is on his little wee netbook
[16:46] <dutchie> how exciting
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> very-
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> I found netbook edition to be shit
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> so i
[16:46] <dutchie> dunno why you got a mini 9 when you could have got a 10v
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> so im running gnome instead
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> because we cant get the 10s with an SSD
[16:47] <humphreybc-mini> coz dell NZ suck
[16:47] <dutchie> oh
[16:48] <dutchie> s/dell //
[16:48] <dutchie> :P
[16:49] <humphreybc-mini> lol
[16:49] <humphreybc-mini> ubuntu, with compiz, runs fairly well
[16:49] <humphreybc-mini> whatever window manager UNE uses is terrible though
[16:49] <dutchie> maximus
[16:50] <humphreybc-mini> unity is nice, but it crashes whenever I try to add something to the dock
[16:50] <humphreybc-mini> otherwise i
[16:50] <humphreybc-mini> otherwise i'd be using that
[16:50] <humphreybc-mini> the enter key is where apostrophe should be
[16:53] <humphreybc-mini> the ambiance them actually looks half decent on this for some reason though
[16:53] <humphreybc-mini> I'm actually using it as default :O
[16:53] <dutchie> i like the ambience theme
[16:54] <humphreybc-mini> stoked that compiz works
[17:58] <rickspencer3> godbyk hi
[17:58] <rickspencer3> so make runs now
[17:58] <rickspencer3> which is good
[17:58] <rickspencer3> but I get hundreds of errors like this:
[17:58] <rickspencer3> ! \textfont 0 is undefined (character u).
[17:58] <rickspencer3> \Url@FormatString ...\Url@String \UrlRight \m@th $
[17:58] <rickspencer3>                                                   
[17:58] <rickspencer3> l.102 \url{http://www.ubuntu-manual.org/}
[17:58] <rickspencer3>                                          
[17:58] <rickspencer3> ?
[17:58] <rickspencer3> and then a blank pdf is created
[18:11] <godbyk> rickspencer3: did you run the pkgs/install-pkgs.sh script?
[18:11] <rickspencer3> yeah
[18:11] <godbyk> okay.
[18:11] <rickspencer3> I think
[18:11] <rickspencer3> :/
[18:11] <godbyk> Can you paste the .log file for me?
[18:12] <rickspencer3> it was yesterday ... and I remember looking at it
[18:12] <rickspencer3> main.log?
[18:13] <godbyk> yeah
[18:14] <rickspencer3> godbyk: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/444156/
[18:17] <godbyk> rickspencer3: ah, it's complaining because you're missing the graphics/advanced.pdf and graphics/warning.pdf files.
[18:17] <godbyk> you can copy those from the ubuntu-manual repository.
[18:17] <rickspencer3> can do
[18:18] <godbyk> You also need to make sure you have the Linux Libertine OpenType fonts installed.
[18:18] <godbyk> I think that the ttf-linux-libertine package provides them.
[18:18] <godbyk> If not, you can get them from SourceForge.  (The link is on the last page of the Ubuntu manual [in the colophon].)
[18:19] <godbyk> Same with Linux Biolinum.  It comes from the same SF site.  Otherwise ttf-linux-biolinum, I think.
[18:19] <godbyk> And you need DejaVu Sans Mono.
[18:20] <rickspencer3> dang
[18:20] <godbyk> Those are the big problems I see.  We'll see what other problems exist after you've cleared those up. :)
[18:20] <rickspencer3> hmm
[18:21] <rickspencer3> I could apt-get install ttf-linux-libertine
[18:21] <rickspencer3> but not ttf-linux-biolinum
[18:21] <rickspencer3> and don't know where to get DejaVu Sand Mono
[18:21] <rickspencer3> so, source forge it is
[18:22] <godbyk> SF will get you the latest versions of Linux Libertine and Linux Biolinum.
[18:23] <godbyk> Linux Biolinum is a new font and is quite preliminary, so it may not be packaged yet.
[18:23] <godbyk> DejaVu Sans Mono is available in one of the ttf-dejavu* packages. (Just install 'em all.)
[18:42] <ubuntujenkins> howdy all, did i miss much, irc is too much of a revision distraction
[18:43]  * ubuntujenkins is excited that he has done"engineering management: Finance, Law and Quality" !
[18:44] <rickspencer3> godbyk I'm confused, where exactly do I find the SF links?
[18:45] <ubuntujenkins> rick are you still trying to install latex?
[18:48] <rickspencer3> ubuntujenkins, no, fonts and such
[18:48] <rickspencer3> I am wondering if I didn't use su for ./install.sh
[18:48] <rickspencer3> so I'm trying that again
[18:49] <ubuntujenkins> ouch it has taken a while to do it all
[18:50] <godbyk> rickspencer3: I think you didn't use the install-pkgs.sh script.
[18:50] <rickspencer3> godbyk I think I used it, but without sudo
[18:50] <rickspencer3> so I'm running it with sudo, and it says it's installing stuff
[18:50] <godbyk> rickspencer3: But if you open the PDF of Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04, go to the very last page, it'll give you the links to the fonts.
[18:50] <godbyk> You shouldn't have to run it with sudo -- it'll use sudo internally.  (It'll ask for your password if it needs it).
[18:55] <rickspencer3> well, I ran it with sudo and it worked
[18:55] <rickspencer3> so now it looks like I just need to set up the glossary and stuff like that
[18:55] <rickspencer3> thanks godbyk!
[18:56] <rickspencer3> I have a main.pdf :)
[18:56] <godbyk> cool
[18:56] <godbyk> any more error messages?
[18:56] <rickspencer3> yeah, but there were due to undefined things in my document
[18:56] <rickspencer3> referring to chapters that aren't there, glossary items that aren't there, etc...
[18:56] <rickspencer3> I'll be back in a couple of hours, maybe get to work on this a bit more later tonight
[18:57] <godbyk> Okay.
[18:57] <godbyk> Yeah, the Makefile will complain about the glossary and index stuff.
[19:07]  * ubuntujenkins attempts to build new packages for the ppa, and this time they are from the most up to date as they can be
[19:12]  * ubuntujenkins looks into how to make a download progress bar for the manual program
[19:13] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: rickspencer3 was very pleased to have got a download bar of some description into quidgets iirc
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> ooo that might be good make my life easy. Quickly has helped me learn allot.
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> I will ask rick later and try and understand how quickshot reads the dictionary file. I like this revision break
[19:27]  * ubuntujenkins thinks godbyk is right the more you think about a "simple" program the more complex it actually is.
[19:29] <godbyk> You could've just stopped with 'ubuntujenkins thinks godbyk is right'. ;-)
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[20:05]  * ubuntujenkins is building latex packages which are very up to date, I updated the latex source my self
[20:06] <ubuntujenkins> soo much easier this time than last
[20:22] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: do you have a link for that page on ppa version numbers on launchpad?
[20:22] <dutchie> help.lp.net somewhere
[20:23] <dutchie> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[20:23] <ubuntujenkins> thnaks dutchie
[20:34] <c7p> hello, is there anything new about the licenses and the release of traslated versions ?
[20:52] <shrini> team
[20:52] <shrini> got a doubt on translating in LP
[20:52] <shrini> anybody there"
[20:52] <shrini> ?
[20:53] <ubuntujenkins> I am here shrini
[20:53] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: haiu
[20:53] <shrini> after long time, coming here
[20:53] <shrini> :-)
[20:54] <shrini> what to do with the "developer note to translator"
[20:54] <shrini> need to add that too in the translation?
[20:54] <shrini> type: paragraph{#2}
[20:54] <shrini> type: document
[20:54] <shrini>       type: itemize
[20:54] <shrini> ?
[20:55] <ubuntujenkins> is that all of it? if not can you paste bin the whole thing please
[20:56] <shrini> there are many
[20:56] <shrini> on every english text,
[20:56] <shrini> i see a note like this
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> oo in the po file?
[20:56] <shrini> do we need to translate that?
[20:56] <shrini> ya
[20:57] <ubuntujenkins> now this makes sense, let me just read one so i get it ccorrect
[20:58] <ubuntujenkins> no all you translate is the english between the " "
[20:58] <shrini> ohoh
[20:58] <shrini> okey
[20:58] <shrini> thats great
[20:59] <shrini> we finished writing in paper
[20:59] <shrini> and typed in openoffice
[20:59] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[20:59] <shrini> now copy-paste in LP
[20:59] <shrini> :-)
[21:01]  * ubuntujenkins has had to ask for the manual ppa size to be increased
[21:21] <ubuntujenkins> ok I have built the packages locally how do I install all of the packages in a folder "dpkg -i *.deb" doesn't work as far as I can tell
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> are "sudo dpkg -i $(ls *.deb)" works
[22:00]  * ubuntujenkins thinks that keeping the packages update is now easy
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> flan
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> ping
[22:44] <ubuntujenkins> flan: I don't know if you will be able to help but if you can when you have a spare moment tomorrow and I am on irc and I am awake. I am having a problem with a patch applying when building a latex-bin package, not sure if you will know but you said that you had done some debian patch applying stuff
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:08] <semioticrobotic> hiya friends ... what's new?  haven't seen much action on the blueprint for lucid-e2 (actually, it's been marked superseded?)  what's our plan of attack?
[23:25] <rickspencer3> godbyk hey, I can't quite see how to set up the glossary
[23:25] <rickspencer3> can you give me a quick pointer?
[23:26] <godbyk> rickspencer3: sure. Look at the file frontmatter/glossary-entries.tex from the ubuntu manual project.
[23:26] <rickspencer3> godbyk nm, just found frontmatter/glossaryentries
[23:26] <godbyk> there ya go.
[23:27] <godbyk> so you add the entries there.
[23:27] <godbyk> then, in your text, you can write \gls{keyword}.
[23:31] <rickspencer3> sweet!
[23:31] <rickspencer3> I just had my first build sans errors of the developer manual
[23:32] <rickspencer3> I can now build a crappily written prologue into a pdf!
[23:32] <godbyk> lol
[23:35] <rickspencer3> thanks for your help godbyk
[23:37] <godbyk> no problem.
[23:37] <godbyk> have you looked at the style guide? it may come in handy.
[23:37] <godbyk> Hopefully we'll get time to update it soon.