[00:53] <ScottK> amichair: I updated that page.
[01:16] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: you were looking for me the other day?
[01:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: no, I was just trying to abuse your nick for fun stuff IIRC :P
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> ;)
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: quick question... qt for kde/kubuntu reasons... python or c++?
[01:18] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: c++
[01:18] <apachelogger> for kde anyway
[01:18] <apachelogger> for kubuntu it depends
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> But, 99% of what we use QT is upstream anyway?
[01:19] <apachelogger> like jockey, there is a common core implemented independent of GTK, so jockey-kde is python and uses that core
[01:19] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: Qt!
[01:19] <jjesse> evening :)
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> hey jjesse
[01:19] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I am not sure if 99% is really the number, but something like that
[01:19] <jjesse> que pasa DarkwingDuck
[01:19] <apachelogger> we do not have a whole lot of specific tool usecases anyway
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> Job hunting :/
[01:20] <jjesse> bummer on that
[01:20] <jjesse> good luck
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> heh.
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: got ya.
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: now, I know what to learn.
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: Thanks man. It's not easy
[01:24] <apachelogger> wellt hen
[01:24] <apachelogger> soyuz prevents me from doing a working fluffy image
[01:24] <apachelogger> awesome
[01:24] <apachelogger> \o/
[01:25]  * apachelogger goes into pissed mode and watches doctor who
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> Burn Notice starts up again tonight :D
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: amor has a little kitteh that runs across the tops of your windows (or on your panel if it can't find space on the window) Might be neat to have a Fluffeh Kitteh
[02:02] <apachelogger> omg
[02:02] <apachelogger> true
[02:02] <apachelogger> fregl: ^
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> one would want to disable amor saying ktips by default (we ship none, maybe it could say "so magic" :D)
[02:04] <apachelogger> aha!
[02:04] <apachelogger> people have re-discovered my u1 ppa
[02:05] <apachelogger> they shall all install junk and then I will rename the packages and provide no transition
[02:05] <apachelogger> muahahaha
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica status
[02:05] <kubotu> http://home.samfundet.no/~sandsmark/unicorn.png possible logo for !fluffy :P (24 minutes and 53 seconds ago via Choqok)
[02:05] <apachelogger> right
[02:05] <apachelogger> fregl: ^
[02:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that said, currently the packages conflict with proposed anyway, apparently they finally come round to make gnome-keyring work outside gnome
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> weren't they going to use new python keyring shiz that's supposed to work with kwallet?
[02:09] <apachelogger> yes
[02:09] <apachelogger> and no
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> :D
[02:10] <apachelogger> I really do not get what they want to do and when and why and how
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> and :(
[02:10] <apachelogger> there is 0, I repeat, ZERO, communication to the outside world about u1 development
[02:10] <apachelogger> wicked if you ask me, but so be it
[02:16] <txwikinger> wow.. KNR is really cool
[02:21] <ScottK> :-)
[02:22] <txwikinger> ScottK: I got myself an AcerOne at the end
[02:22]  * ScottK nods
[02:23] <txwikinger> And everything works 
[02:31] <ScottK> Excellent.
[02:47] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134344 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/example/cacheupdatewidget.cpp Don't leak our downloadModel
[02:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please help dantii with understanding #586497.  It looks like something that ought to get fixed if the report is accurate.
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: that's probably the packagekit backend not following the apt cron stuff you set in software-properties-{kde,gtk}
[02:50] <ScottK> Any idea how to fix?
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> the frontend only shows what the packagekit daemon is doing in this instance
[02:50] <ScottK> Ah, right.
[02:50] <ScottK> So reassign to packagekit?
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> yep
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> KNR is working great on my X41 Tablet too
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> I think I'm going to get the Asus Tablet and run tests on that as well
[04:20] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I've just uploaded pkg-kde-tools (they switched to kde/doc path ) and kaffeine into my ppa, see tomorrow, g' night
[04:20] <lex79> ;)
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: they never went away from kde/doc path, we're the ones that switched
[04:22] <lex79> JontheEchidna: uhm, right :D It's late here my brain is melted :)
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait
[04:22] <lex79> uhm
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> you're right, actually
[04:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The settled on kde4 and we stayed with kde for kde4 stuff.
[04:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/pkg-kde-tools/pkg-kde-tools_0.9.0/changelog
[04:23] <lex79> ah, ok :)
[04:23] <ScottK> I asked them to switch their .install files to kde* instead of kde4 so it'd work for both of us and they switched the doc path instead.
[04:24] <lex79> well, g' night guys :P
[04:24] <ScottK> Good night.
[10:32] <fregl> apachelogger: why is that uni-thing from sandsmark pooping a pink egg? awesome :)
[10:33] <fregl> amor sounds good... and getting rid of amarok (purely for space reasons) is always a good idea
[10:33] <fregl> maybe we can include bangarangaragangarang instead
[10:42]  * Mamarok larts fregl
[10:42] <fregl> always those people without humor... it is a sad world
[10:42] <fregl> very sad
[10:45]  * fregl things after being punished for suggesting the amarok removal, now they have to do it, out of protest
[10:46] <fregl> let's see what apachelogger thinks about that
[10:54] <shadeslayer> any idea if we have kubuntu lucid t shirts at the canonical shop?
[11:47] <apachelogger> fregl: it is begone since I said that yesterday :P
[11:47] <apachelogger> the unithing from sandsmark is pooping an egg because I wanted something pink and he felt like drawing an egg ;)
[11:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I got mail about the u1 file conflict already :P
[11:51] <apachelogger> hm
[11:52] <apachelogger> did soyuz explode or something?
[11:52] <apachelogger> fluffy-meta and fluffy-unicorn are stuck in queue schedulded in 2 hrs for a lot more than 2 hrs
[11:58] <apachelogger> that does not even make sense https://launchpad.net/builders/
[11:58] <apachelogger> apparently most of the ppa buildds are idle :/
[11:58] <debfx> is it possible to change pkg-kde-tools so it enables --parallel by default, like it does with cdbs?
[12:00] <apachelogger> debfx: unfortunately no
[12:00] <apachelogger> debfx: the cdbs thing was only applied to the few core-kde packages
[12:00] <apachelogger> the dh7 magic is the same for all kde packages
[12:19] <debfx> apachelogger: it shouldn't be that much work to test-rebuild the packages and disable parallel building for the ones that ftbfs
[12:20] <KRF> apachelogger, so did you like my mail?
[12:21] <KRF> did you forward it to lydia?
[12:21] <apachelogger> oh, you did not send it to lydia?
[12:21] <KRF> nah
[12:21] <apachelogger> fwd'd
[12:21] <KRF> maybe you could be like you know: i don't want this to get public!
[12:22] <KRF> could have been even
[12:22] <apachelogger> lol
[12:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^
[12:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we are black mailing you now!
[12:22] <apachelogger> first mail in your inbox already :P
[12:22] <Nightrose> ohmy
[12:23] <Nightrose> jeeeeez
[12:23]  * Nightrose slaps KRF and apachelogger
[12:23] <Nightrose> :D
[12:24] <apachelogger> you better make us members of the illuminati or who knows, maybe this picture ends up all over the news papers
[12:24] <apachelogger> such terrible things have happended in the past
[12:24] <apachelogger> one not-so-carefully entered email address, and there you have it
[12:25] <apachelogger> oh
[12:25] <apachelogger> s/illuminati/kde e.v. :P
[12:34]  * \sh thinks apachelogger is really charming today ;) 
[12:34] <apachelogger> oh look what the cat dragged in
[12:34] <apachelogger> :*
[12:35]  * apachelogger hugs \\sh and Nightrose and KRF and debfx
[12:35]  * \sh pinks ;)
[12:35] <KRF> who's that last guy you're hugging there?
[12:36] <apachelogger> KRF: the one who fixes KDE stuff KDE does not want to fix :P
[12:36] <KRF> ah, cool
[12:36] <KRF> so he's in chargo of fixing knetworkmanager? :P
[12:36] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:36] <KRF> typos--
[12:37] <apachelogger> oh great
[12:37] <apachelogger> bangarang git comes with monochrome icon
[12:37] <\sh> whatever bangarang is ;)
[12:38] <jussi> lol
[12:38] <apachelogger> dont know that song? :P
[12:38] <jussi> what is banagarang?
[12:38] <jussi> !info bangarang
[12:38]  * \sh doesn't want to know actually, because it sounds very dangerous
[12:39] <apachelogger> oh
[12:39] <\sh> apachelogger, I missed you during UDS-M 
[12:39] <apachelogger> now I got reminded of something
[12:39] <apachelogger> \sh: I was hiding in IRC :P
[12:39] <apachelogger> bangarang is a bit like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVJLFfRYOj0
[12:40] <apachelogger> gotta relogin into my fancy new KDE
[12:41] <\sh> apachelogger, why didn't you tell me it's something I can't show @office...now all people are watching this video 
[12:41] <\sh> .oO(good that they are not dacing here right now)=
[12:42] <jussi> lol
[12:42] <jussi> that song is just wrong...
[12:45] <apachelogger> \sh: lol ^^
[12:45] <apachelogger> next time you shall get the qt4 dance :P
[12:45] <apachelogger> jussi: more than that
[12:45] <\sh> apachelogger, this is more office compatible ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkK-23zVtsU ;) WE WON !
[12:46] <apachelogger> I have heared about that
[12:46] <apachelogger> I find the song mediocre though
[12:46] <apachelogger> also the english is sort of german :P
[12:46] <\sh> apachelogger, well, at least stefan raab helds to his promises ;)
[12:46] <apachelogger> this lady could have done better IMHO
[12:47] <apachelogger> \sh: maybe he bought the win?
[12:47] <\sh> apachelogger, I don't think you can "buy" the votes of people calling in
[12:48] <apachelogger> no, but the software developer's so that their machinery counts "wrongish"
[12:48] <\sh> apachelogger, and about the denglish -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naZgBhH9tc 
[12:48] <apachelogger> or the other humans in the chain so that the results change somewhat
[12:49] <\sh> apachelogger, anyways...ralph siegel is defeated...and mr. raab is now the nations hero 
[12:49]  * apachelogger does not know who ralph siegel is
[12:49] <apachelogger> sounds like someone from the reeperbahn though
[12:53] <\sh> apachelogger, the old eurovision german songwriter and producer ;) old fart
[12:54] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:08]  * txwikinger thinks apachelogger has a deficit in History knowledge
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got a sec>
[13:09] <apachelogger> that entirely depends what for
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/shadeslayer 
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you write me a testimonial :P
[13:09] <apachelogger> oh my
[13:09] <shadeslayer> applying for membership :)
[13:10] <apachelogger> I recon this does take a lot longer than a second :/
[13:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[13:10] <txwikinger> like... who is this person?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu
[13:10] <shadeslayer> its me :P
[13:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then I would not ask a member of the council to write a testimonial ;)
[13:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Pretty much everything's monochrome icons in 4.5 apparently.
[13:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah.. :P
[13:11]  * ScottK wonders if Sput got the word?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> anyone else interested... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/shadeslayer
[13:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, but not in 4.4, which makes bangarang look odd
[13:11] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: You need the ninja stuff of your page.. it is merely a suspicion that they exist :)
[13:12] <apachelogger> they do not!
[13:12] <txwikinger> As I said :)
[13:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is really not necessary to collect testimonials for kubuntu btw
[13:12] <shadeslayer> hehe,well thats one of my major contribs...
[13:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm.. well.. just one or two :)
[13:12] <apachelogger> you will be grilled eitherway :P
[13:12] <apachelogger> erm, interviewed
[13:12] <shadeslayer> haha xD
[13:12] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: unsubstantial rumors
[13:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes, soyuz did explode.  The last release "didn't go very well".
[13:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is unfortunate :/
[13:13]  * txwikinger heard something about BBQ
[13:13] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hehe :P
[13:13] <apachelogger> I was hoping to do fluffy alpha1 this weekend
[13:13] <txwikinger> and that before breakfast
[13:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so soon? :)
[13:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's just some web service, not like it's important it be reliable.
[13:13] <apachelogger> well, demand is high, so ...
[13:13] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:13] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe.. so youll go with maverick or lucid?
[13:13]  * apachelogger could build packages at the OBS :P
[13:13] <apachelogger> no breakage there
[13:13] <shadeslayer> OBS ?
[13:14] <apachelogger> open build service (the suse thingy)
[13:14] <shadeslayer> ah..
[13:14] <apachelogger> which also happens to build deb
[13:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does it build the same way as lp?
[13:14] <apachelogger> no
[13:14] <apachelogger> it builds rpms
[13:14] <apachelogger> and debs
[13:14] <apachelogger> and for more than one distro each
[13:15] <apachelogger> certainly the debs will not be as fancy as when built within a debian-based toolchain but oh well
[13:15] <apachelogger> at least it works
[13:15]  * shadeslayer puts ISO testing in wiki
[13:15] <apachelogger> unlike other services for package building :P
[13:15]  * txwikinger would want to read the t&c's first
[13:15] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hehe :P
[13:15] <apachelogger> odd
[13:15] <txwikinger> they probably make you sell your grandmother to them
[13:15]  * apachelogger thinks that his iso splash image is a bit wrongish
[13:16] <apachelogger> ah!
[13:16] <apachelogger> my pcx got 3 planes
[13:16] <txwikinger> how comes that the plymouth splash screen is ubuntu when you install kubuntu?
[13:16] <apachelogger> whatever that means ^^
[13:17] <txwikinger> hi maco
[13:18] <shadeslayer> when is Riddell coming back?
[13:18]  * txwikinger has everything ready for Kubuntu Bug Hug Day on Monday
[13:18] <txwikinger> just need to send out the announcements
[13:18] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: ill help you out with the next to next one :D
[13:18] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: cool
[13:18] <shadeslayer> exams till the 11th :(
[13:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sundayish
[13:18] <apachelogger> he said he will be away the whole weekend
[13:18] <txwikinger> always those students
[13:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok :)
[13:18]  * txwikinger is jealous
[13:19] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: which one are you doing this monday?
[13:19]  * txwikinger could now just go and pass the exams without studying :)
[13:19] <txwikinger> kdenetworks
[13:19] <shadeslayer> ah ok :)
[13:20] <txwikinger> but feel free to make suggestions for the list
[13:20]  * txwikinger has in fact given such exams :)
[13:22] <txwikinger> Something is wrong
[13:22]  * txwikinger cannot find any meetings in today's calendar
[13:24]  * txwikinger is looking for a nice speech synthesizer
[13:24]  * txwikinger wants to put some hilarious messages in his nuisance VM box
[13:25] <apachelogger> jovie is awesome
[13:25] <apachelogger> although it is not really a synthesizer ;)
[13:25]  * shadeslayer wonders what the kubuntu council will do with him :P
[13:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when is the next meeting?
[13:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whenever someone bothers to schedule one ;)
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: any ETA on a soyuz fix btw?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[13:27]  * apachelogger thinks he fixed the splash now
[13:27] <txwikinger> soyuz is always broken, so what's the difference?
[13:28] <apachelogger> now it is broken beyond usage :/
[13:30] <apachelogger> we all live in a yellow submarine
[13:30] <apachelogger> that why it is so crowded
[13:31]  * txwikinger cannot find jovie
[13:31] <apachelogger> fregl: http://imagebin.ca/view/Q_JA3ns.html !!!!!
[13:31] <apachelogger> omg
[13:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: make the heart blue instead of white :P
[13:33]  * txwikinger thinks apachelogger should make Valentine's Day the release date
[13:33] <shadeslayer> thatll be perfect :P
[13:35] <fregl> apachelogger: <3
[13:35] <fregl> apachelogger: I just wrote a mail mentioning fluffy to the sueddeutschland@lists.fsfe.org list :)
[13:35] <fregl> spread _the word_ :)
[13:36] <apachelogger> :D :D :D
[13:36]  * apachelogger still needs to master up a blog post
[13:38] <txwikinger> and a facebook page that they can compile a list of fluffy users
[13:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where do you guys have a meeting? ( whenever you have one :P )
[13:38] <apachelogger> txwikinger: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771
[13:38] <apachelogger> GO LIKEY LIKEY IT!
[13:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: either #ubuntu-meeting or here
[13:39] <apachelogger> depends on the schedule though, so the location is usually announced along time and date
[13:39]  * shadeslayer sends apachelogger friend invite on fb...
[13:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you have an all wrong countdown banner there...
[13:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where?
[13:40] <apachelogger> facebook
[13:40] <apachelogger> left column
[13:40] <apachelogger> I see ubuntu countdown
[13:41]  * shadeslayer checks
[13:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is there a kubuntu one too?
[13:41] <apachelogger> yes, somewhere
[13:41] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:41] <apachelogger> in either case none > ubuntu :P
[13:42] <apachelogger> fregl: http://imagebin.ca/view/2P_ZpXB.html
[13:42] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[13:42] <apachelogger> any suggetions?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: removed :P
[13:43]  * shadeslayer continues his search for kubuntu countdown
[13:43] <shadeslayer> +banner
[13:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you might also want to steer clear of lp since the build queue is HUGE
[13:47] <apachelogger> no wonder considering soyuz is all broken
[13:48] <shadeslayer> so much so https://launchpad.net/builders shows unknown :P
[13:48] <shadeslayer> for the queue part ><
[13:48] <apachelogger> must go beyond python's int range then ;)
[13:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh and can you talk to Riddell when he comes back to set up a meeting regarding my membership?
[13:49] <apachelogger> !meeting
[13:49] <apachelogger> hm
[13:49] <apachelogger> jussi: tsimpson: maybe it is just me but it would be nice ot have schedule urls in there *shrug*
[13:50] <jussi> apachelogger: as soon as we get the plugin back and working....
[13:50] <apachelogger> kcool
[13:50]  * jussi curses google cal
[13:51] <shadeslayer> jussi: can you give me the schedule? a link or something?
[13:51] <jussi> apachelogger: we used to have @schedule which would tell the next meeting
[13:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can schedule one yourself
[13:51] <jussi> !fridge
[13:51] <apachelogger> jussi: no, I mean the kubuntu meeting schedule page
[13:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: awesome
[13:51] <apachelogger> so I know what is currently on the agenda
[13:51] <jussi> apachelogger: ahh
[13:51] <jussi> yeah, give me the url and Ill add it
[13:52] <apachelogger> jussi: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[13:52] <apachelogger> also you need to add yourself there :P
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ;)
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is Monday fine?
[13:52] <apachelogger> oh
[13:52] <shadeslayer> illl just get the time
[13:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you need to query that
[13:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: usually we use doodle to find an appropriate slot
[13:52] <jussi> !meeting-#kubuntu is <reply>Kubuntu Meetings are usually held in #ubuntu-meeting - Agenda and info: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:53] <jussi> apachelogger: ^
[13:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also see recent mailing list info regarding meetings I suppose
[13:53] <jussi> !meeting
[13:53] <jussi> !meeting-#kubuntu-devel is <reply>Kubuntu Meetings are usually held in #ubuntu-meeting - Agenda and info: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:53] <jussi> !meeting
[13:53] <jussi> :)
[13:53] <apachelogger> super awesome
[13:53]  * apachelogger hugs jussi
[13:53]  * jussi hugs apachelogger
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5 
[14:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: who is in the council btw?
[14:09] <Sput> ScottK: afaik, only "system icons" are supposed to be monochromeish (which in 4.5 KDE means they still look gorgeous because they have greyscale shading etc), but app icons are still colorful
[14:09] <Sput> ScottK: also, suprisingly, the upgrade from intrepid beta via jaunty and karmic to lucid on my mom's notebook went quite well :)
[14:11] <Riddell> organising council members oif on my todo for monday
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :)
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im applying for membership...
[14:14] <DarkwingDuck> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,                     
[14:14] <ScottK> Sput: Great to hear.  I don't find it suprising since we tested that upgrade path pretty thoroughly.
[14:16] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: comma flood? :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ok im going,please look have a look at the doodle http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5,to confirm meet timings :)
[14:33] <rgreening> 'ello dudes and dudettes :)
[14:36] <txwikinger> hi rgreening
[14:37] <rgreening> :)
[14:44] <Sput> ScottK: I tend to break upgrade paths in kubuntu :)
[14:44] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:44] <Sput> but yeah. I was a bit surprised that I had to go through all of the versions (I'd have expected jaunty to jump to lucid directly), but looks like nothing seriously broke :)
[14:45] <Tm_T> Sput: I had fun upgrading from Intrepid straight to Lucid
[15:19] <\sh> Sput, dist-upgrades only from LTS 2 LTS are supported, or from Devel Release to Next Devel Release until LTS ;)
[15:19] <\sh> Sput, hey man btw...long time no see ;)
[15:20] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134539 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) We can forward these signals right along. No need to have a function to do that.
[15:34] <apachelogger> jtechidna: btw, why are you not using a dbus adaptor?
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: for QApt::Backend?
[15:36] <apachelogger> for talking to the worker in general
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> the worker has a dbusadaptor
[15:36] <apachelogger> for talking _to_ the worker
[15:37] <apachelogger> currently you are doing the queries yourself while you have a perfectly fine xml file lying around, dont you?
[15:37] <darkwingMobile> morning guys
[15:37] <apachelogger> just generate a adaptor for the backend using the xml file and use that
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: is there a way to make that adaptor do async calls?
[15:37] <apachelogger> define call
[15:38] <apachelogger> generally everything is async with it
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> DBusConnection::systemBus().asyncCall()
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> +Q
[15:38] <apachelogger> the only way to make it sync is by using it inside a call itself
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> non-blocking call
[15:38] <apachelogger> like foo(adaptor->setBar("ll));
[15:38] <apachelogger> that would be blocking
[15:38] <apachelogger> adaptor->setBar("ll") is not
[15:39] <apachelogger> reason being that almost evyerthing from the adaptor will return a dbuspendingreply or what it is called
[15:39] <apachelogger> and that thingy is generally async
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> nice
[15:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: take a look at the u1-kde codebase, I think I do both blocking and non-blocking there
[15:40] <apachelogger> or at least I did at some point ^^
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> all hail dbus mast0r haxX0r apachelogger!
[15:40] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:44] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134543 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp String changes
[15:47] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134545 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs) Implement API for the worker to use to ask questions. Use this API to implement apt's media change functionality TODO: Get qapt-batch to listen for these and present the questions to the user
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> ^other possible questions include debconf, "do you want to install untrusted packages", conf file changes, etc
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> now to work on the dbus adapt0r
[15:57] <txwikinger> How Du I get in KNR the search and launch on the search and launch page back?
[15:59] <apachelogger> add a new activity
[15:59] <apachelogger> go to configure it
[15:59] <apachelogger> set the activity to S&L
[15:59] <apachelogger> I think
[16:00] <Sput> \sh: true enough :) we should beer up again!
[16:01] <apachelogger> beering up ^^
[16:01] <apachelogger> ohhh
[16:01] <apachelogger> soyuz is doing things \o/
[16:01] <txwikinger> Ah.. ok 
[16:02] <apachelogger> sweet, in like half an hur I should be able to roll a working fluffy image
[16:02]  * apachelogger goes outside sipping tea meanwhile
[16:02] <neversfelde> there is a Suggests: libxine1-ffmpeg missing in the minitube package for lucid, do you think this is worth a SRU?
[16:05]  * apachelogger doenst think so
[16:05] <apachelogger> it will only be suggested to terminal users anyway I think
[16:08] <neversfelde> ok, I like this answer :)
[16:13]  * apachelogger waits for publisher run
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: any advantages to doing a dbus adaptor over what I did with qapt-batch a few days ago? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp?r1=1133812&r2=1133811
[16:30]  * JontheEchidna is having a hard time getting the dbus adaptor itself to compile
[16:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: adaptor is preferrred in general
[16:31] <apachelogger> also handier and easier to extend if necessary
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yes! ctrl+enter functionality back in rekonq :P
[16:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: see u1-kde/src/libs/CMakeLists.txt
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/444665/
[16:31] <apachelogger> it uses the xml from u1-kde/src/auth/
[16:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you probably need to define additional includes
[16:33]  * apachelogger is wondering why it is parented by BAckend and not QObject anyway
[16:33] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[16:33] <apachelogger> publisher through
[16:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how do you generate the adaptor?
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/444669/ in src/CMakeLists.txt
[16:35] <apachelogger> oh
[16:35] <apachelogger> ah
[16:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you want an interface ^^
[16:35] <apachelogger> silly me
[16:36] <apachelogger> qt4_add_dbus_interface(foo_SRCS some.xml Filename)
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> same error
[16:39] <apachelogger> ehm
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please commit
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> kk
[16:39] <apachelogger> oh
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hold on
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you need to do that in the backend cmakelists
[16:39] <apachelogger> not the worker
[16:39] <apachelogger> not sure if that is the problem though :)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> It's in backend's cmakelists.txt
[16:40] <apachelogger> if not please commit
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> kk
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> ha
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> I changed it to add_dbus_interface in worker, tho
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> still same error tho
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: committed
[16:42] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134558 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (CMakeLists.txt backend.h org.kubuntu.qaptbackend.xml) Start of DBus adaptor for Backend. Fails to compile
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> oh, the introspection file probably doesn't have the methods right since I ripped that bit from the worker xml file, but that's a different problem
[16:45] <apachelogger> now that is wrong
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, those should be signals too
[16:47] <apachelogger> the whole xml shouldnt be there
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:48] <apachelogger> hm
[16:48] <apachelogger> well
[16:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: there is something wrong in the design
[16:48] <apachelogger> just now I come to wonder why the backend dbusses at all
[16:48] <apachelogger> what should happen is that the backend emits junk that the worker then processes
[16:48] <apachelogger> one way communiction if you will
[16:49] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:49] <apachelogger> qt4_add_dbus_interface(qapt_SRCS worker/org.kubuntu.qaptworker.xml worker)
[16:49] <apachelogger> that is about what you want
[16:49] <apachelogger> and nuke the local file and the changes to backend.h
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> kk
[16:50] <apachelogger> then just take a look at UbuntuOne::SyncDaemon for how to use the interface
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> I don't see another way than dbus to emit stuff for the worker to process
[16:50]  * apachelogger needs to review the code completely really
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the backend should not care about who or what is doing stuff with it
[16:53]  * shadeslayer would recommend the droid-ttf package to everyone
[16:53]  * apachelogger would not
[16:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its pretty good....
[16:54] <apachelogger> not on large screens
[16:54] <shadeslayer> works fine on 1440x900..
[16:54] <apachelogger> ok then
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well someone posted their .fonts.config and works pretty well
[16:55] <apachelogger> I did not say that it does not work
[16:55] <apachelogger> I said that it does not look good
[16:55] <apachelogger> naturally
[16:55] <apachelogger> because it was made for a different screen size
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hmm.. really up to you.. what do you use?
[16:55] <apachelogger> liberation
[16:56] <shadeslayer> i used that before switching..
[16:56] <apachelogger> oh, there sneaked a "ta" in my preseed -.-
[16:56] <apachelogger> no wonder it fails :/
[17:06] <ScottK> BTW, we just added ttf-liberation to the default install.
[17:06] <ScottK> SRU waiting for Lucid for it too.
[17:06] <apachelogger> sweet
[17:07] <ScottK> Apparently OOo is even more ugly without it.
[17:12] <dantti> ScottK: when you click on the systray icon you get all updates selected now :D http://img580.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopda3114.jpg
[17:13] <ScottK> Cool.
[17:13] <apachelogger> ahhh
[17:13]  * apachelogger is quite the stupid robot
[17:22] <apachelogger> indices make a lot of difference when it comes to debootstraping ^^
[17:32] <bertoldo> Hi everyone...
[17:33] <bertoldo> I want to start developing to kubuntu... to help the community...
[17:34] <bertoldo> I'm looking for some guidance... maybe someone is looking for a help...
[17:34] <bertoldo> I'm from Brazil... and I've been programming in C/C++ for a long time...
[17:44] <shtylman> bertoldo: have you ever done linux development?
[17:44] <shtylman> or Qt development?
[17:44] <bertoldo> Yep...
[17:45] <bertoldo> at the moment I'm studing Qt...
[17:45] <shtylman> cool
[17:45] <bertoldo> I love kubuntu and I also use ubuntu (on my wife's laptop)...
[17:46] <bertoldo> I want to help kubuntu to be as same as ubuntu...
[17:46] <shtylman> bertoldo: great to hear, our general ToDo list is: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[17:46] <bertoldo> I'm talking about quality, integration with other programs...
[17:46] <bertoldo> and also usability
[17:46] <shtylman> specific items related to development include: KPackagekit, and printer applet
[17:47] <bertoldo> I saw this list... at wiki...
[17:47] <shtylman> those are c++ development items 
[17:47] <shtylman> which are related to intergration as well as usability
[17:47] <shtylman> for printer applet, talk to dantti
[17:48] <shtylman> the package kit guy is not in the irc room at the moment
[17:48] <bertoldo> great... I'm looking for this... a kind of help to understand the information on the wiki
[17:48] <shtylman> there are also some efforts on a simpler packageing/software center 
[17:48] <shtylman> but not sure who is heading that up
[17:49] <dantti> shtylman: well I'll be heading a new sw center :P
[17:49] <shtylman> excellent
[17:49] <shtylman> there is the answer to that one
[17:49] <ScottK> bertoldo: dantti is also in Brazil (unless I remember wrong).
[17:49] <dantti> shtylman: of whom were you talking about packagekit guy?
[17:49] <shtylman> bertoldo: and then there is the kde faster login work (with is more of a research and try effort) but is all c++
[17:49] <dantti> ScottK: I am
[17:50] <bertoldo> great
[17:50] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you ack? bug 589782 589786
[17:50] <lex79> bug 589786
[17:50] <lex79> thanks
[17:51] <bertoldo> I'm available to working in anything you guys need help...
[17:51] <shtylman> a big thing we always need help on is testing related things
[17:52] <bertoldo> give a document to read, a code to understand or anything else... I'll do my best to help.
[17:52] <shtylman> basically, but getting the new versions of packages and trying them
[17:52] <shtylman> if you have experience to then look into the problem and fix it.. that is even better
[17:53] <shtylman> one very easy way to grab the source code to any package (if you don't already know) is to use "apt-get source <packagename>"
[17:53] <shtylman> this gets you the source to be able to build that particular package
[17:53] <bertoldo> great, didn't know that...
[17:53] <shtylman> nice way to start looking at the source of some programs you are interested in
[17:54] <bertoldo> I'm not sure if I'm reading the right document to set up my enviroment to compile the things...
[17:54] <bertoldo> Do you recommend me anything?
[17:54] <shtylman> bertoldo: depends what you want to compile and how
[17:54] <shtylman> that question is kinda open ended
[17:55] <shtylman> cause many packages use all sorts of different build tools
[17:55] <bertoldo> ok
[17:55] <shtylman> kde uses CMake, another common one is autoconf (used by lots of projects), and then Qt uses qmake
[17:55] <shtylman> if you get a package with apt-get source
[17:56] <shtylman> you can also do: apt-get build-dep <package name>
[17:56] <shtylman> to install any build dependencies
[17:56] <bertoldo> great...
[17:56] <ScottK> bertoldo: There is a lot to learn and almost everyone here is a volunteer, so we have limited time.  This is a welcoming group that is looking for new members, so don't get discouraged if it takes a little while to get started.
[17:56] <shtylman> basically... start tinkering around with something small to get the hang of things
[17:56] <shtylman> is my biggest recommendation
[17:56] <bertoldo> thanks ScottK
[17:57] <shtylman> cause there are lots of different ways to do all sorts of things
[17:57] <bertoldo> thanks a lot too shtylman
[17:58] <bertoldo> I'll look around on launchpad to find something...
[17:58] <bertoldo> There is one thing that call my attention, it was the Ubuntu One client.
[17:58] <bertoldo> We dont have one for KDE.
[18:01] <bertoldo> dantii, you talked about this one? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickKPackagekitAppStore
[18:03] <dantti> bertoldo: yes, I'm planning to create a simpler interface just for applications instalation
[18:03] <dantti> but i need to finish the debconf support first
[18:08] <bertoldo> dantti, the AppCenter will run on top of package tool kit?
[18:09] <dantti> bertoldo: the kde one will
[18:39] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134609 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (4 files) Use a DBus interface class to interact with the worker, rather than doing it all by ourselves in QApt::Backend. Convenient!
[18:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw will the doodle page be created by the council? or can i create one too? like i created one...
[19:16] <maco> attempt at upgrading my lucid vm to mav went bad
[19:16] <maco> i just logged in and after the splash fades out, i just have a black background and panel. no plasmoids on desktop and kickoff wont open
[19:17] <jussi> maco: yeah, riddell mentioned that maverick crashed in VM
[19:17] <jussi> just after the login he said
[19:18] <maco> oh!
[19:18] <maco> if i wait 2 minutes it restored my terminal from before i rebooted
[19:18] <shadeslayer> yep.. but on real hardware it works fine 
[19:18] <shadeslayer> only problem is that you get 2 panels
[19:18] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134621 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) Move a lot of public member variables that should have been private into PackagePrivate
[19:19] <maco> holy moly!
[19:19] <maco> load average is over 7!
[19:20] <maco> and no i didnt get a second panel
[19:20] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134622 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.h (log message trimmed)
[19:20] <CIA-91> We don't really need to be exposing packageSourceList() to the public. It's only
[19:20] <CIA-91> there so that QApt::Package can get info from libapt-pkg's insane iterators.
[19:38] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134628 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) Move m_packageIter to PackagePrivate. I tried to also pass packageIter by pointer from the Backend, but when I used that approach it would crash the first time you accessed a method that used the packageIter :(
[19:40] <maco> awww :( mav wont do unity mode
[19:42] <yofel> is something wrong with drkonqi in maverick? rekonq crashed with segfault, I installed rekonq-dbgsym, but it still doesn't want to retrace it
[19:43] <yofel> oh, from xsession-errors: ptrace: Operation not permitted.
[19:43] <yofel> /tmp/kde-yofel/drkonqileu611.tmp:2: Error in sourced command file: No thread selected
[19:45] <maco> yofel: have to run your traces as root
[19:45] <maco> yofel: or umm..change something in /sys or /etc
[19:53] <apachelogger> argh!!!
[19:53] <apachelogger> this is so horrible
[19:53] <jussi> this is cool!!! http://ppenz.blogspot.com/2010/06/version-control-support-in-dolphin.html
[19:53] <jussi> just to augment apachelogger's horribleness
[19:54] <shtylman> jussi: when that gets git support, let me know :)
[19:54] <jussi> shtylman: it kinda has... :P
[19:54] <jussi> "A very basic version of a Git plugin is already part of kdesdk. "
[19:54] <ScottK> jussi: What does that do that kdesvn doesn't already do?
[19:55] <jussi> ScottK: its in dolphin?
[19:55] <shtylman> ScottK: work with thinks not in kde
[19:55]  * ScottK almost never uses dolphin.
[19:55] <ScottK> shtylman: I meant the dolphin plugin, not git.
[19:56]  * ScottK is mostly converted on chromium.  Don't push your luck.
[19:56] <yofel> what bug reporting address do I need to give drkonqi if I run it by hand so I can report the crash?
[19:59] <shtylman> ScottK: give it time.. don't worry.. it will win you over :)
[20:34] <yofel> filed bug 589841 about drkonqi
[20:41] <shtylman> ScottK: im thinking about going to DC for july 4th fireworks... anything good I should see in the area.. already planning to see a museum or two
[20:41] <shtylman> and landmarks
[20:42] <shtylman> what about non mainstream stuff
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> Washington Zoo
[20:42] <shtylman> hmm.
[20:42] <pinkrobotking> behold the pink robot king!
[20:42] <shtylman> pinkrobotking: wtf
[20:43] <shtylman> apachelogger: I refuse to address pinkrobotking
[20:43] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobotking: really now... too much pink :P
[20:43] <shadeslayer_> hehe :D
[20:43] <shadeslayer_> shtylman: +1
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> ironically, IRC is coloring shtylman pink and pinkrobotking red
[20:43] <shtylman> *sigh*
[20:43]  * shadeslayer_ mumbles darkly about robots being evil..
[20:43] <pinkrobotking> omg!
[20:43] <shadeslayer_> shtylman: youre blue here.. blue compliments pink :P
[20:44] <ScottK> shtylman: Those are usually the main things.  Don't forget to get your picture taken in front of the Whitehouse.
[20:44] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: youre red here :P
[20:44] <shtylman> haha
[20:44] <pinkrobotking> ...
[20:45] <shtylman> oh no
[20:45] <pinkrobotking> What we need is to redo launchpad with working.
[20:45] <shtylman> apachelogger: there will be pain
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> chanserv is protecting channel modes :(
[20:45] <shadeslayer_> hehe..
[20:45] <shtylman> jussi: ping
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> pinkrobotking: redo launchpad?
[20:46] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: like recode lp :P
[20:46] <shadeslayer_> so that it works 
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> in #plasma: [15:46:38] *** rrix is now known as pinkrobot0002.
[20:47]  * shadeslayer_ wonders where to find kubuntu tee's on shop.canonical.com
[20:48] <shadeslayer_> robots are taking over the world :P
[20:48] <pinkrobot0003> pinkrobot_t800: ooo, I like that
[20:48] <pinkrobot_t800> :D
[20:48] <bluerobot> hehehe :D
[20:49] <pinkrobotking> /me hugs the pinkrobots
[20:49] <pinkrobot0003> pink robots! we must rise up against the blue
[20:49] <pinkrobotking> an army of pink and we shall take down apple and microsoft!
[20:49] <pinkrobotking> FOR FREEDOM!!!!
[20:49] <pinkrobot0003> FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
[20:50]  * bluerobot would prefer taking down apple and MS to get EA working on linux games
[20:50] <pinkrobot0003> bluerobots are not allowed speaking rights
[20:50] <pinkrobotking> EA SHALL BE SQUISHED!!
[20:50] <bluerobot> pinkrobotking: :P
[20:50] <bluerobot> and yet i can speak :>
[20:50] <pinkrobotking> kubotu: np
[20:50] <kubotu> pinkrobotking doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user <username>
[20:50] <maco> this channel has gotten so weird
[20:51] <pinkrobotking> omg!
[20:51] <pinkrobotking> kubotu: np apachelogger
[20:51] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Shine (Babylon mix)" by Cyndi Lauper [Queer as Folk: The Final Season] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[20:51] <pinkrobotking> I feel sort of shiny all of a sudden :P
[20:51] <pinkrobot0003> woa
[20:51] <pinkrobot0003> np is cool
[20:51] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobot0003: you didnt know about it?
[20:51] <pinkrobot0003> nope
[20:51] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: np
[20:51] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ listened to ""complicated" (avril lavigne)" by Avril Lavigne 8 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5o4cq6gKFAbR1V7wITwB7n] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[20:52] <shadeslayer_> hmm.. that must have been my Sisters playlist :P
[20:52] <pinkrobot0003> np
[20:52] <pinkrobot0003> kubotu: np
[20:52] <kubotu> pinkrobot0003 doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user <username>
[20:52] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobot0003: np <username>
[20:52] <shtylman> kubotu: np shtylman
[20:52] <kubotu> shtylman listened to "Company Calls" by Death Cab for Cutie [We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes, 2000] 3 months ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/451jjbOKeucUT51WX6eemf] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shtylman for more
[20:52] <shadeslayer_> hehe
[20:52] <shtylman> hehe
[20:53] <shtylman> old
[20:53] <shadeslayer_> that happens with me as well
[20:53] <neversfelde> kubotu: np
[20:53] <kubotu> neversfelde listened to "Broadway" by Goo Goo Dolls [Dizzy Up the Girl, 1998] 2 hours ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/3dbywb1zxwI3h1m9o304eY] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/neversfelde for more
[20:53] <neversfelde> works :)
[20:53] <shadeslayer_> hehe :)
[20:54] <shtylman> kubotu: np ScottK
[20:54] <kubotu> ScottK hasn't played anything recently
[20:54] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobotking: smileys look funny with liberation mono
[20:54] <shtylman> tisk tisk
[20:54] <pinkrobotking> hm
[20:55] <shadeslayer_> or maybe its just me :P
[20:55] <pinkrobotking> shadeslayer_: you non-believer shall get but one simley from me!
[20:55] <pinkrobotking>   _______ 
[20:55] <pinkrobotking>  / /___ / 
[20:55] <pinkrobotking> / /  |_ \ 
[20:55] <pinkrobotking> \ \ ___) |
[20:55] <pinkrobotking>  \_\____/ 
[20:56] <shadeslayer_> hmm.. whats that...
[20:56] <pinkrobotking> a heart obviously :P
[20:56]  * shadeslayer_ tilts screen sideways
[20:56] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobotking: doesnt look like one :P
[20:56] <shadeslayer_> more like a deformed G :P
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: bug 569897 happens in lucid too
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> um wait 
[20:57] <pinkrobotking> now that is hardly my fault :P
[20:58] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: i mean that it happens during boot,i get that message
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobotking: did you get my question earlier about the doodle?
[20:59] <pinkrobotking> I probably did
[20:59] <pinkrobotking> Fluff up! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771
[21:01] <maco> hmm every time i try to move a window on my maverick vm, it goes to load average 5
[21:02] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: ninja's dont exsist and yet you mention it in your FB profile :P
[21:03] <maco> ninjas dont exist?
[21:03] <neversfelde> ahhhhh
[21:03] <maco> but i met a guy at an art store who was studying ninjitsu!
[21:03] <shadeslayer_> maco: kubuntu ninjas :P
[21:03] <neversfelde> everything is broken now
[21:03] <maco> neversfelde: you upgraded to mav too?
[21:04] <neversfelde> no
[21:14] <pinkrobotking> kubotu: np apachelogger
[21:14] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Stay With Me" by Shearer [Eve] 2 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/4kKVdqJeaagU6pA0pEroTI] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[21:14] <pinkrobotking> now that is wrong
[22:14] <sheytan> Hi there
[22:14] <sheytan> i'm testing maveric alpha1 now
[22:15] <sheytan> and i find the 'lost and found' section in system settings none needed
[22:15] <sheytan> but before i  start saying what you could move where (KCMs) please tell me somebody if you're going to clean it up? ;)
[22:19] <shtylman> sheytan: don't follow the question
[22:20] <shtylman> *I don't
[22:21] <sheytan> shtylman in systemsettings in maveric alpha 1 there is a additional section at the bottom called 'lost and found'. There are KCM like software management, updates, user management etc. To remove that section and save space (don't make systemsettings a big window), we can move thoes KCMs to other sections ;)
[22:21] <sheytan> get it now? :D
[22:22] <shtylman> sheytan: I am sure those will move... probly what happened was that the section names/categories changed and those kcm you are talking about are ones we manage (iirc) so they will be updated
[22:23] <shtylman> file a bug on launchpad if there isn't one already
[22:23] <sheytan> shtylman, will do it when it will still exist in aplha 2 or 3 ;)
[22:24] <sheytan> but it's a good idea to split software management and updates to independent KCMs
[22:25] <shtylman> sheytan: why wait?
[22:25] <sheytan> shtylman well, you're right. Will do it now ;D
[22:29] <shadeslayer> sheytan: thats a problem with kde 4.5 :)
[22:29] <sheytan> shadeslayer with thoes kcms?
[22:30] <sheytan> shtylman how do i report a bug on  launchpad? :D
[22:30] <shadeslayer> same thing is in lucid
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ubuntu-bug <app?
[22:31] <sheytan> shadeslayer i'm on kubuntu  :D
[22:31] <sheytan> but with a browser
[22:31] <sheytan> how to ? :D
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: so.. :)
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: same thing :P
[22:31] <sheytan> shadeslayer is it ported to Qt? :D
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yep :)
[22:31] <sheytan> i don't want any gnome deps here :D
[22:31] <sheytan> Wow ;D
[22:31] <sheytan> cool ;D
[22:31] <shadeslayer> wont be :P
[22:32] <sheytan> shadeslayer how is it called?
[22:32] <sheytan> that app
[22:32] <shadeslayer> its basically a apport hook which collects all data,with the frontend being a small qt load bar
[22:32] <shadeslayer> *loading
[22:32] <shadeslayer> sheytan: well like if i find a bug with choqok,i do : ubuntu-bug choqok
[22:33] <shadeslayer> since this is a systemsetting kcm module i would guess kdebase...
[22:33] <sheytan> shadeslayer ok, thank you :)
[22:33] <shadeslayer> sheytan: so like : ubuntu-bug kdebase-bin
[22:34] <shadeslayer> not entirely sure if it should be bin or data
[22:34] <sheytan> shadeslayer now starting up maveric :D
[22:34] <sheytan> someone will move it to the right place ;D
[22:34] <shadeslayer> sheytan: kool... i have a chroot of maverick :)
[22:34] <shadeslayer> sheytan: well finding the right package makes it alot easier :P
[22:34] <shadeslayer> !bugs | sheytan : might also want to read this
[23:01] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134670 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp We want to use isEmpty here
[23:02] <pinkrobotking> who is empty?
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> QStrings, potentially
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> I had been using isNull
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> which I dont' think would have caught the failure I had been anticipating
[23:04] <Tm_T> pinkrobotking: o  k
[23:05] <pinkrobotking> oh well, 0 != "" ;)
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> xactly
[23:10] <lex79> o/
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> lex79: with pkg-kde-tools, any reason for 0.9.1ubuntu1 instead of 0.9.0ubuntu1?
[23:14] <lex79> uhm
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> oh, it hadn't appeared on changelog.debian.org yet, my mistake
[23:14] <lex79> 0.9.1 is the new version
[23:14] <lex79> kk
[23:58] <pinkrobotking> JontheEchidna: ping around?