[00:28] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:42] <ryanpg> anyone know offhand, what the replacement for network-manager and nm-applet is?
[03:08] <dotblank> ryanpg, wicd?
[03:09] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9377281#post9377281
[03:10] <holstein> maybe?
[03:12] <KurtKraut> If Launchpad detects a package has a new upstream release, does it mean it will be packaged for the next Ubuntu release? Like mtr 0.77: https://launchpad.net/mtr/+download
[03:46] <kklimonda> KurtKraut: no
[03:46] <KurtKraut> kklimonda, how can I suggest/request this package to be updated to the latest upstream version for Ubuntu oficial repositories?
[03:47] <kklimonda> KurtKraut: it's synced from debian so you should open a bug there.
[03:49] <KurtKraut> kklimonda, okay.. that's what I though at the first moment. But why Launchpad tracks the upstream FTP server and detects the latest version as available?
[03:49] <kklimonda> no idea
[03:49] <kklimonda> i would have to click on the link and i can't ;)
[03:50] <kklimonda> probably project is hosted on LP?
[03:51] <KurtKraut> kklimonda, no, certainly it is not. The project has a single FTP server, hosted by its maintainer.
[03:53] <kklimonda> you can ask at #launchpad about it
[03:55] <DanaG> hmm, upgraded my netbook to Maverick; don't yet see much different as a user.
[03:55] <KurtKraut> kklimonda, I've asked that before but nobody replied. I'll try that again.
[03:55] <KurtKraut> DanaG, the only difference you should expect is instability and random crashes.
[03:57] <DanaG> Well, my netbook already had random GPU hangs before Maverick.  I'm leaving my primary system (the "real laptop") on Lucid.
[03:58] <KurtKraut> DanaG, are you aware that you should not rely on Maverick as your main system because it is expected to crash, right?
[04:10] <NinoScript> Hello!
[04:10] <NinoScript> :D
[04:10] <NinoScript> I'm updating :3
[04:20] <DanaG> KurtKraut: that's exactly what I was saying.... the netbook is not my main system.
[04:20] <DanaG> But the netbook had "nothing to lose", so to speak.
[05:04] <theadmin> hm, so A1 is out, great, just wanted to ask lol
[05:19] <td123> after a fresh install of maverick alpha 1 I get "error: opening the cache E:problem parsing dependency Depends, E:Error occurred while processing libopensync0-dev (NewVersion1), E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_universe_binary-i386_Packages, E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. This usually means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies."
[05:36] <stenten> td123: run 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[05:36] <stenten> stenten er
[05:37] <stenten> no that's right, nevermind.
[05:38] <stenten> (and apt-get update before that, obviously)
[05:43] <td123> I did
[05:43] <td123> ok, so it seems that the us mirror is broken
[05:43] <td123> I switched to the main server and it fixed the error
[06:06] <theadmin> Hm, is the Ubuntu Manual project going to make a Maverick version, too?
[06:16] <magn3ts> Hi, I'm a noob. Can anyone tell me what the difference is between these two MOBOS> GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128425) and GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412)
[06:21] <stenten> !offtopic
[06:28] <magn3ts> stenten, oh crap I meant to join OT sorry!
[06:28] <stenten> no worries
[07:13] <NinoScript> So, is there anything new in this Alpha?
[08:15] <dupondje> NinoScript: every day there is something new :D
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> Summer gives us pretty short clothes :)
[09:00] <ddecator> why yes it does
[09:00] <arand> Is secirity.ubuntu.com only one single mirror? Is that why it's so godawfully slow?
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> several mirros mirro it
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> with ubuntu-security repop
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> but ask jpds
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> he is the mirror go to guy
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> # deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/ lucid-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:04] <jpds> ohai.
[09:04] <jpds> arand: It is not only one single machine.
[09:04] <arand> Ok
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: plus there's no secuirty in devel cycle
[09:05] <jpds> arand: The two of them just happen to be having fun pushing out kernel updates.
[09:05]  * arand was being a bit cheeky and talking about lucid ...
[09:06] <jpds> arand: Said kernel update is being pushed to the mirrors right now.
[09:06] <jpds> Well, the -updates pocket so it will lighten the load a bit.
[09:07] <arand> jpds: I figured, it was not too long ago it was pushed out...
[09:07] <jpds> Yes; that's why I'm pushing buttons to force it out.
[09:09] <arand> And it's this one that fixes kvm, right? No wonders it's getting some traffic
[09:13] <jpds> Yes; the kvm thing only broke in Lucid.
[09:19] <jpds> arand: Things should be feeling better now.
[09:22] <arand> jpds: Yea, I looked into my sources.list, and it seems that it defaults to security.ubuntu.com unless I again choose my local mirror, which will then set it properly to the security pocket there... Does that men that everyone by default is hitting only main for their security updates or is "security.ubuntu.com" if I have it specified as such in sources.list still not one single instance?
[09:22] <arand> *mean
[09:24] <jpds> arand: I think mostly everyone is hitting security.u.c unless they choose something else.
[09:24] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2010/06/simply-explained-1.htm
[09:24] <jpds> Most -security updates are rolled in -updates so that people fetch them off mirrors.
[09:25] <arand> Ah, ok, but the period in between is the messy point..
[09:26] <jpds> Yep.
[09:31] <arand> Makes sense to me now, thanks for the info! (now for a reboot and see if kvm fires up again)
[09:32] <jpds> No worries.
[12:55] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: _that_ was weird
[13:37] <jonathonf> hmm... is flash crashing in firefox for anyone else? works fine in chromium...
[13:39] <BUGabundo_remote> not using FF
[13:49] <gnomefreak> jonathonf: flash orks here in firefox
[13:49] <gnomefreak> s/orks/works
[13:50] <jonathonf> gnomefreak: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[13:51] <gnomefreak> 32
[13:51] <jonathonf> ah, i'm running 64-bit with 64-bit flashplugin... i'll do some more digging
[14:41] <Ian_Corne> apt-p2p still broken?
[15:03] <Ian_Corne> wonder when .35 will start showing up :)
[15:04] <jonathonf> it's already in the mainline ppa thingy
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> pff
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> im running .32
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> so i can use gwibber
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> lameless
[15:13] <gnomefreak> ppa thingy?
[15:14] <jonathonf> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[15:14] <gnomefreak> jonathonf: thnaks
[15:15] <jonathonf> it's not a real ppa but has ppa in the url... it's a ppa thingy :D
[15:15] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahhaaahaahaahaahahahahahaahahahah
[15:19] <gnomefreak> anyone else having problems with nvidia?
[15:20] <jonathonf> <- ati 5650
[15:20] <BUGabundo_remote> working fine here gnomefreak
[15:21] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: thanks
[15:42] <JFo> jonathonf, best way to describe the kernel PPA imo. and it is about to grow a bit too :)
[15:59] <NinoScript> List of GUI changes I notice in Maverick: Rhythmbox logo has black and yellow, Update Manager is slightly different and has fewer windows, the "keyboard-layout-changer" font is taller, the Software Center has History (nice). That's all I see in this first look at it
[16:32] <geohacker> hi how do I upgrade from Lucid to meerkat and get daily updates so that I can do testing?
[16:33] <geohacker> I have been told to change the sources.list replacing "lucid" to "meerkat". but that does not work. please help
[16:34] <patdk-wk> do-release-upgrade -d
[16:34] <SwedeMike> geohacker: stop listening to whoever told you that.
[16:35] <SwedeMike> hm , I see that http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1010-maverick.html recommends that method. Why on earth do they do that?
[16:35] <patdk-wk> all my sources say lucid
[16:35] <patdk-wk> oh wait, this is my lucid box :)
[16:36] <geohacker> SwedeMike: but then why don't you tell me how to do that?
[16:36] <patdk-wk> I just did
[16:36] <patdk-wk> why should he tell you *again*
[16:36] <gnomefreak> use the command update-manager -d
[16:37] <patdk-wk> well, I used do-release-upgrade -d
[16:37] <gnomefreak> either way
[16:37] <geohacker> alright thanks!
[16:37] <SwedeMike> doesn't update-manager -d work anymore?
[16:38] <SwedeMike> seems not.
[16:38] <SwedeMike> at least not at this time.
[16:38] <patdk-wk> update-manager is gui, evil :)
[16:38] <geohacker> SwedeMike: It's working for me.
[16:38] <geohacker> SwedeMike: shows that 10.10 is available
[16:38] <SwedeMike> geohacker: update-manager -d, or do-release-upgrade -d ?
[16:39] <geohacker> both ways.
[16:39] <SwedeMike> did it work before you edited your apt.sources?
[16:39] <geohacker> SwedeMike: update-manager -d starts the update manager gui and shows the new release notification.
[16:39] <SwedeMike> geohacker: it doesn't on my lucid box here, anyway
[16:39] <geohacker> SwedeMike: I still the lucid source.list intact.
[16:40] <patdk-wk> ya, not doing it on this lucid box either
[16:40] <patdk-wk> neither is do-release-upgrade -d
[16:40] <patdk-wk> oh wait
[16:40] <geohacker> Whao! mine is doing some miracle then? !
[16:40] <patdk-wk> I have to change it from lts to normal I bet
[16:41] <patdk-wk> geohacker, or your lucid is more out of date than ours :)
[16:41] <patdk-wk> update-manager seems to have change it from normal to lts on me
[16:41] <SwedeMike> patdk-wk: well, mine is upgraded from 8.10->9.04->9.10->10.04, would it really be in "lts" mode?
[16:41] <geohacker> patdk-wk: perhaps right. I update only required packages that I test for accessibility. :)
[16:41] <patdk-wk> SwedeMike, mine is 9.10 -> 10.04
[16:41] <geohacker> SwedeMike: Never!
[16:41] <patdk-wk> so it sohuldn't be either, but it is
[16:42] <geohacker> patdk-wk: mine is fresh 10.04 install.
[16:42] <geohacker> and that makes the difference that mine is outdated.
[17:17] <NinoScript>  flash plugin stopped working :(
[17:17] <krabador> hi people, i only would know if history in ubuntu software center may uninstall installed software with all dependencies?
[17:17] <krabador> (without question mark...)
[17:19] <krabador> nobody have tried it?
[17:20] <SwedeMike> krabador: you probably need to rephrase or elaborate, at least I don't understand your question/statement.
[17:21] <NinoScript> krabador, neither did I :P
[17:21] <krabador> SwedeMike, "history" in ubuntu software center, let the user uninstall software with all dependencies?
[17:22] <SwedeMike> wow, first time I even heard about this, had to google and read wiki page to find out what it's about
[17:23] <krabador> SwedeMike, history had introduced by maverick
[17:23] <krabador> in ubuntu software center
[17:23] <SwedeMike> oki, well, I obviously know nothing about this :)
[17:24] <NinoScript> you're asking about if it can "remove completely" as synaptic does?
[17:25] <krabador> yes, i want know if it can remove completely
[17:26] <krabador> with synaptic, after installed kde by repository, i never uninstalled it completely
[17:28] <krabador> i ever hated synaptic for this
[18:00] <edgy> Hi, I just installed maverick, and I notice df -h shows
[18:00] <edgy> /dev/sda3               1        1826    14664704   83  Linux
[18:00] <edgy> /dev/sda4            1826        1912      692224   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[18:00] <edgy> and this is a default installation choosing free space option
[18:00] <edgy> isn't this overlapping?
[18:02] <patdk-wk> show by sectors :)
[18:02] <Daviey> edgy: I can't reproduce this
[18:02] <patdk-wk> and that so can't be the output of dh -h :)
[18:03] <dupondje> true :P
[18:03] <edgy> patdk-wk: what's is the option to show by sectors?
[18:03] <edgy> patdk-wk, dupondje: sorry I meant fdisk -l
[18:04] <patdk-wk> normally u (for fdisk)
[18:05] <edgy> /dev/sda3            2048    29331455    14664704   83  Linux
[18:05] <edgy> /dev/sda4        29331456    30715903      692224   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[18:05] <edgy> it seems ok ;)
[18:07] <edgy> patdk-wk: so there I shouldn't care, right?
[18:07] <patdk-wk> not really
[18:08] <patdk-wk> it's just fdisk's rounding that is doing that
[18:19] <edgy> now gnome automount my partitions/disks which is nice, can kde do the same?
[18:23] <krabador> "history" in ubuntu software center, let the user uninstall software with all dependencies?
[18:37] <edgy> kdm doesn't allow me to choose other wm like gnome, is this a bug or the war began? ;)
[19:41] <BUGabundo> wow
[19:41] <BUGabundo> half of my OS wants to be removed
[19:41] <BUGabundo> I know I'm not the most pretty looking person
[19:41] <BUGabundo> but to scare away my own packages!?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> and funny enough, booting older kernel so I can have gwibber, and my nvidia aint working
[20:37] <yofel> bug 589841
[20:38] <yofel> at least apport still works...
[20:41] <cwillu_at_work> !info libpixman-1-0
[20:42] <cwillu_at_work> wonder if that'll install under lucid
[22:28] <knittl> hm, switching workspaces or apps is annoyingly slow today
[22:29] <yofel> wth, dolphin reads the whole file for no apparent reason just because I move the mouse over it o.O
[22:34] <BUGabundo> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45625 chromium doesn't like zoom :S
[22:47] <yofel> man, this makes dolphin practically unusable...
[22:49] <BUGabundo> yofel: try the old kernel an nv driver
[22:49] <BUGabundo> laptop is HOT
[22:49] <BUGabundo> and slooowwwwww
[22:49] <BUGabundo> like a pentium 2
[22:52] <yofel> why are you using nv?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> old kernel won't start nvidia
[22:53] <BUGabundo> starts fail-x
[22:53] <yofel> why are you using an old kernel?
[22:53] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: why not nouveau?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> and when restarted X , starts in nv or whatever I'm running
[22:53] <BUGabundo> yofel: gwibber , or better desktop couch
[22:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: maybe its that... its something other then blob
[22:54] <BUGabundo> no 3D and slowwww
[22:54] <yofel> ah, someone mentioned it was broken, right
[22:54] <yofel> well, it works fine here, I don't use gwibber though
[22:55] <yofel> it would be nice if my NVS 3100M would tell me it's temperature...
[22:55] <yofel> *its
[22:55] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, nouveau isn't really slow and it shouldn't boil your laptop
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I did! I've been complaining of it all week
[22:56] <BUGabundo> but it does kklimonda
[22:57] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: probably pros of using early alphas ;)_)
[22:57] <yofel> it didn't here when I tried ti yesterday. I'm back on nvidia as nouveau doesn't support many kwin plugins :(
[22:58] <BUGabundo> apperntly the bug is in the new .34 kernel
[22:58] <BUGabundo> its locks too much
[22:59] <BUGabundo> and then pmutex or what ever won't be allowed
[22:59] <BUGabundo> so they are fixing "desktop couch" the wrong way
[22:59] <BUGabundo> ie waiting for the kernel to be more relax :S
[22:59] <yofel> oh nice, it's not just dolphin bug konqueror as well that reads whole files for no reason (I suspect it does it to display the meta informaton...)
[22:59]  * yofel takes a axe and looks at nepomuk...
[23:02] <yofel> pcmanfm seems to work fine, lxde to the resque...
[23:02] <yofel> *rescue
[23:02] <yofel> I'm getting tired..
[23:07] <BUGabundo> bye
[23:07] <BUGabundo> see on Monday