[00:00] <dtwrites> Yeah, downgrade, what people with older computers do when the upgrade grinds everything to a halt.
[00:00] <dtwrites> I'll recheck, but it was not a few minutes ago.
[00:01] <Appl6> "un-upgrade" was probably a joking reference to how the "upgrade" from 9.10 to 10.04 throws a temper tantrum and wrecks your install when certain stars are aligned.
[00:11] <collinp> ...why exactly is this channel +z?
[00:11] <dtwrites> We were asleep?
[00:12] <collinp> +z means that, for messages that would be blocked by modes +b, +m, and +q, they instead get sent to everyone that's currently +o
[00:12] <dtwrites> Oh my
[00:12] <collinp> Which really dosen't make sense in here since there's rarely anyone op'd.
[00:13] <dtwrites> You'd be proud of me, I set-up x-chat all by myself, after losing all my notes on how-to.
[00:14] <ZachK_> dtwrites: cool
[00:14] <collinp> Awesome.
[00:15] <jasper_> Anybody have any idea about installing World of Warcraft from the CD's on ubuntu?
[00:15] <jasper_> I just need to install wrath and not the other two
[00:16] <ZachK_> jasper_: wine
[00:16] <jasper_> I know that, but it wont work
[00:16] <jasper_> gives me an error
[00:16] <ZachK_> than i don't know as i don't play it
[00:16] <jasper_> lol
[00:16] <jasper_> i have the installer.exe
[00:16] <jasper_> anyone else?
[00:16] <collinp> There's a guide somewhere, let me find it.
[00:17] <jasper_> kk, i'v tried most and they all hate me haha.
[00:17] <Chesamo> Uhh
[00:17] <Chesamo> What error?
[00:18] <collinp> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[00:18] <jasper_> i use wine from the .exe and it says "no installer data could be found"
[00:18] <Chesamo> run "wine start <executable name>"
[00:18] <Chesamo> I find the "start" is what does it
[00:19] <jasper_> lemme try again
[00:19] <jasper_> i think it will give the same error
[00:19] <jasper_> same error
[00:20] <jasper_> that guide doesnt help with the dvd for the latest expansion, thats where im finding my issues
[00:20] <jasper_> Im currently downloading it, but it's 7gb...and i have the cd so i feel like there should be a way
[00:20] <Chesamo> Copy it onto your hard drive and try it there
[00:21] <jasper_> i did lol
[00:21] <jasper_> I copied it to wines system 32 files
[00:21] <Chesamo> N no
[00:21] <Chesamo> Just like onto your desktop
[00:22] <jasper_> i did that as well rofl
[00:22] <jasper_> lemme try that again
[00:22] <jasper_> should i delete the ones from the system 32?
[00:22] <Chesamo> Doesn't matter
[00:23] <jasper_> ok i removed the ones from system 32 and put the cd's contenst on my desktop
[00:24] <jasper_> now with it on my desktop with that command i get
[00:24] <jasper_> C:\\windows\\system32\\installer.exe
[00:24] <jasper_> reason being i have the original game and first expansion installed from download
[00:24] <Chesamo> ...um
[00:24] <Chesamo> Just
[00:24] <Chesamo> cd into the directory
[00:24] <jasper_> elaborate?
[00:24] <Chesamo> Don't bother with the WINE file paths
[00:24] <Chesamo> uh
[00:25] <Chesamo> copy the files into ~/wow
[00:25] <Chesamo> the open terminal and cd wow
[00:25] <Chesamo> then wine start -u installer.exe
[00:25] <Chesamo> It's case-sensitive though
[00:25] <jasper_> so copy the cd contents to  ~/wow
[00:26] <Chesamo> You know where ~/ is right?
[00:26] <jasper_> No sir, i was just checking all my files searching right now haha.
[00:26] <Chesamo> It's /home/username
[00:26] <Chesamo> ~/ is your home directory
[00:27] <jasper_> ah well i have that folder up
[00:27] <jasper_> but WoW is nowhere to be found :/
[00:27] <Chesamo> um
[00:27] <Chesamo> make it
[00:27] <jasper_> lols ok i did
[00:29] <jasper_> so the only part that leaves me in the dust here is the open terminal and cd wow, do you mean navigate to the cd or just open them
[00:29] <Chesamo> nnnnnno
[00:29] <Chesamo> "cd" is a command
[00:29] <Chesamo> "change directory"
[00:29] <drew212> is today a bugday?
[00:30] <jasper_> ok i did that and now ~/wow$ is there
[00:30]  * phillw dtwrites you *may* want to have a look at lubuntu, it's pretty gentle with 'older' kit :-)
[00:31] <dtwrites> Thanks, phillw. I'm happy with the 9.10 version. When I upgrade to 10.4 I lose sound and nothing seemed to get it back. I'm sure there are other things too, but... meh.
[00:31] <jasper_> cheasmo i got the same error
[00:32] <Chesamo> dtwrites: 10.04
[00:32] <Chesamo> the digit is significant
[00:32] <phillw> dtwrites: well, you can try lubuntu in 'live' mode - it's just a thought if you have more than about 192MB ram (256 is preferred for live)
[00:33] <Appl6> Chesamo: Not unless there are 40 months in a year. =)
[00:33] <dtwrites> Thanks, I will. I have the 256 to try it with.
[00:33] <Chesamo> Appl6: there are enough to have doble digits
[00:34] <phillw> dtwrites: I'm sure the good people on here won't mind me posting the link https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg01319.html
[00:37] <switchgirl> why are w32 codecs not available ? "sorry, w32codecs not available for this type of computer (i386)"
[00:38] <Chesamo> switchgirl: What is giving you that error? w32 has no context in Linux.
[00:40] <phillw> Chesamo: it's an error with mplayer etc.
[00:41] <phillw> switchgirl: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-mplayer-and-multimedia-codecs-libdvdcss2w32codecsw64codecs-in-ubuntu-904-jaunty.html has how to get the codecs near the bottom, although you may want to read the entire posting
[00:41] <Chesamo> That's a silly way of wording the error
[00:42] <switchgirl> the applecation centere
[00:43] <Chesamo> switchgirl: What are you trying to do?
[00:46] <switchgirl> Chesamo, play wma streams
[00:47] <switchgirl> ok i wasn't paying attention and just put deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty universe multiverse deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty universe multiverse into my sources list - i'm on Lucid
[00:48] <phillw> switchgirl: I'm pretty sure you can just put the mythubuntu ppa on and get them all, but you'd have to check on that.
[00:49] <switchgirl> how do i check what headers i am runnings?
[00:50] <switchgirl> i just did sudo apt-get upgrade and got offered  linux-headers-2.6.32-22 linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic linux-image-2.6.32-22-generic - is that jaunty?
[00:50] <ZachK_> i think that's karmic
[00:50] <Appl6> switchgirl: Those are Lucid.
[00:51] <holstein> uname -a tells you what kernel your running
[00:52] <switchgirl> :)
[00:52] <switchgirl> thanks
[01:17] <Buuntu> can someone help me with something?
[01:17] <paultag> Buuntu, yo
[01:17] <Buuntu> paultag, yo
[01:18] <paultag> Buuntu, sup, gangster
[01:18] <Buuntu> paultag, I just got done installing gentoo, and grub isn't seeing it at start up
[01:18] <paultag> w00t
[01:18] <paultag> Buuntu, what v of grub?
[01:18] <Buuntu> paultag, even though when I run sudo update-grub it says it's reading a base install of gentoo
[01:18] <Buuntu> paultag, 2
[01:18] <paultag> Buuntu, and is it not updating the menu?
[01:18] <Buuntu> no
[01:19] <paultag> interesting
[01:19] <Buuntu> paultag, "Found Gentoo Base System release 1.12.13 on /dev/sdb7"
[01:19] <paultag> humm
[01:19] <paultag> Buuntu, and sudo with that?
[01:19] <Buuntu> paultag, yeah
[01:19] <paultag> interesting
[01:20] <Buuntu> paultag, there were a lot of steps in installing it, so it's possible I messed something up somewhere along there, but who knows
[01:21] <paultag> Buuntu, wheres the kernel
[01:21] <Buuntu> paultag, in /boot I think
[01:21] <paultag> checki Buuntu
[01:21] <paultag> Buuntu, and find vmlinuz
[01:21] <Buuntu> paultag, just did
[01:21] <paultag> OK
[01:22] <paultag> Buuntu, I'm not quite sure. Interesting issue
[01:22] <paultag> ajmorris, poke
[01:22] <paultag> ajmorris --gentoo | Buuntu --needs-help
[01:23] <Buuntu> paultag, quick question, is there a problem with having two linux partitions under one extended partition?
[01:23] <paultag> nothing
[01:23] <paultag> why?
[01:24] <Buuntu> paultag, cuz that's how it's set up, didn't know if that was a problem or not
[01:24] <Buuntu> paultag, there's no vmlinuz though, are you sure that exists in gentoo?
[01:24] <paultag> Buuntu, what's the kernel's name?
[01:24] <Buuntu> paultag, there's a bzImage though, don't know if it's the same
[01:25] <paultag> humm
[01:25] <Buuntu> paultag, 2.6.32-gentoo-r7
[01:25] <paultag> it should be
[01:28] <Buuntu> paultag, should I try installing grub to the gentoo partition?
[01:42] <phillw> paultag: would a quick PM be okay ?
[01:42] <paultag> phillw, of course
[01:45] <phillw> nhandler: would a quick PM be okay ?
[01:50] <jay_> help--icons of minimised windows do not appear on lower task bar
[01:51] <steelsteve> hello, I have a question to ask about Radio Stations on Rythymbox, how do I change the buffer size?
[01:52] <Chesamo> steelsteve: this may be of interest https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+question/10921
[01:53] <jay_> can anyone help?  in Ubuntu 10.04 icons of minimized windows do not appear
[01:53] <jay_> ..on task bar
[01:57] <steelsteve> thanks Chesamo
[02:02] <nhandler> phillw: Sure
[02:11] <kermiac> jay_: try Right click on panel -> Add to panel -> Window List ->Add
[02:12] <jay_> Pl. help..In Ubuntu 10.04, icons of minimized windows do not appear on bottom task bar; the task bar is always blank
[02:12] <kermiac> jay_: try Right click on panel -> Add to panel -> Window List ->Add
[02:12] <jay_> tried that , does not work
[02:15] <kermiac> jay_: what flavour of ubuntu are you using?  ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, etc
[02:15] <jay_> some dots appear but not icons
[02:15] <jay_> Ubuntu 10.04
[02:17] <Chesamo> jay_: Can you get a screenshot of one normal window and one Minimized window (on the taskbar)
[02:17] <kermiac> jay_: do you have much space left on your bottom panel? it will appear to be "dots" when there is not enough room
[02:18] <jay_> all the space is there...blank
[02:18] <jay_> the minimized window is shown as dots
[02:19] <kermiac> jay_: as Chesamo just said, can you please take a couple of screenshots & upload it to somewhere like imgbin.org. These kind of issues are hard to diagnose without seeing exactly what's going on
[02:21] <jay_> Thak you for the suggestion.. now  got the solution...removed one laucher from the taskbar and all icons appeared.. Thank you
[02:21] <kermiac> jay_: can you try to right-click on the panel next to where the window list is (there should be 3 verticle lines on top of each other) & select "Remove from panel". Then right-click an empty space on the panel -> Add to panel -> Window List ->Add
[02:21] <kermiac> jay_: ah... not enough space on the panel :)
[02:22] <jay_> that's it...thanks a lot
[02:22] <kermiac> np jay_  glad we could help :)
[02:23] <jay_> Where is the code controlling the bottom panel...the file I mean
[02:57] <Pianoman> is the Kodak Zi8 mini camcorder compatible with Ubuntu 10.04?
[03:00] <Chesamo> Pianoman: I don't see why not. What kind of camcorder is it? DVR?
[03:00] <Pianoman> KODAK’s Zi8 HD Pocket Camcorder equipped with advanced features like 5 megapixel sensor for HD recording (1080p) and still pictures, plus face tracking and image stabilization.
[03:01] <Chesamo> Pianoman: That's not what I asked. Is the recording media digital or tape?
[03:01] <Pianoman> Chesamo, what i am worried about is the software that comes with it and the video formats that might not work in Linux
[03:01] <Pianoman> Chesamo, sorry, it is digital
[03:02] <Chesamo> Pianoman: You may find this helpful: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/ab26f/kodak_zi8_with_ubuntu/
[03:03] <Pianoman> Chesamo, wow you are efficient
[03:03] <Chesamo> Pianoman: I'm good enough at Google-fu to teach a class on it ;-)
[03:03] <Pianoman> Chesamo, i just spent 45 minutes on the fr group and no one had anything to help me
[03:04] <Pianoman> Chesamo, been searching myself for similar things without success
[03:04] <Chesamo> Pianoman: Glad to be of service :D
[03:07] <Pianoman> Chesamo, so reddit is a nice to have link, thanks
[03:10] <ddecator> reddit ftw
[03:14] <ajmorris> Buuntu: poke
[03:14] <Pianoman> poke
[03:15] <paultag> <3 ajmorris
[03:15] <ajmorris> o.o
[03:15]  * ajmorris runs
[03:15] <paultag> ajmorris, :)
[03:15] <paultag> ajmorris, how goes, my friend?
[03:16] <ajmorris> not bad man... i should be doing my assignment, but thought id see if Buuntu got that gentoo problem fixed that you pinged me about...
[03:16] <ajmorris> and you?
[03:16] <paultag> ajmorris, doing well :)
[03:16] <paultag> ajmorris, and I don't think he did
[03:16] <Buuntu> ajmorris, yo
[03:16] <Buuntu> ajmorris, sadly, no
[03:17] <paultag> I'll leave you two lovebirds alone :)
[03:17] <Buuntu> ajmorris, here, I'll post the output of grub-mkconfig, that should give you a head start :D
[03:17] <Buuntu> ajmorris, http://paste.ubuntu.com/444356/
[03:17] <ajmorris> oh yuck... you're using grub 2?
[03:18] <Buuntu> ajmorris, lol, that's exactly the response I got in #gentoo
[03:18] <ajmorris> haha
[03:18] <Buuntu> ajmorris, I always though most people used grub 2 now a days
[03:18] <ajmorris> appears to be nothing wrong with your mkconfig... what error do you get when you try to boot gentoo?
[03:19] <Buuntu> that the partition and kernel don't exist
[03:19] <ajmorris> and nah, its only ubuntu that has standardised on grub 2...
[03:19] <rmrf_> sup
[03:19] <Buuntu> and before I added the manual entry, there wasn't even an entry in the menu to select from
[03:19] <Chesamo> Hello rmrf_
[03:19] <ajmorris> oh dear Buuntu... umm, are you using purely sata? or have you got some IDE devices chucked in tehre?
[03:20] <Buuntu> ajmorris, one IDE drive
[03:20] <Buuntu> ajmorris, but that one isn't involved
[03:20] <Buuntu> ajmorris, I just use that for storage, all the operating systems are on sdb
[03:20] <ajmorris> ok good... coz that would cause issues because of a bug in grub 2...
[03:20] <ajmorris> so your grub2 probe doesnt pick up gentoo at all?
[03:21] <Buuntu> ajmorris, it does, it's just the menu that doesn't
[03:21] <Buuntu> ajmorris, "Found Gentoo Base System release 1.12.13 on /dev/sdb7"
[03:21] <rmrf_> i brbz
[03:22] <ajmorris> hmm? if it found it, why didnt it automagically add the entry to your boot lists?
[03:22] <Buuntu> ajmorris, good question :)
[03:22] <ajmorris> ok... well looking at your mkconfig; have you noticed the slight differences in your syntax/
[03:22] <Buuntu> ajmorris, these people seem to have found a solution to the same problem by manually adding an entry: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1225571
[03:22] <Buuntu> ajmorris, but that didn't work for me
[03:23] <ajmorris> for instance, you have set root=(hd1,7)... instead of set root='(hd1,7)'
[03:23] <ajmorris> now i've steered clear of grub 2... so im not sure how anal retentive it is...
[03:23] <ajmorris> but it would be worth just setting your syntax to that of the entries automagically generated
[03:24] <Buuntu> ajmorris, oh, good idea
[03:25] <Buuntu> ajmorris, I'm using the syntax of guides and examples online though, so I don't think that's the problem
[03:25] <ajmorris> ah ok
[03:25] <ajmorris> and so after editing grub-mkconfig, have you run the command to update grub.cfg with your manual entries?
[03:26] <Buuntu> ajmorris, yeah
[03:26] <ajmorris> does grub.cfg contain the entries?
[03:26] <Buuntu> ajmorris, and with the manual entry it shows up, but then it just gives me an error that the partition and kernel don't exist
[03:27] <Buuntu> ajmorris, no, the entries are in individual files all in /etc/grub.d
[03:27] <ajmorris> oic
[03:27] <ajmorris> i take it grub2 still has a boot command line?
[03:27] <Buuntu> ajmorris, it's not recommended to edit grub.cfg
[03:27] <Buuntu> ajmorris, yes
[03:27] <ajmorris> what happens if you run a kernel detect in the command line at boot?
[03:28] <ajmorris> does it detect gentoo on that partition?
[03:28] <Buuntu> ajmorris, I don't know any commands in the grub shell :P
[03:28] <Buuntu> ajmorris, so I don't really know how to do that
[03:29] <ajmorris> im not sure of grub2 syntax... grub1 was find /boot/grub/stage1 to detect the partitions grub was installed on...
[03:29] <ajmorris> you do have grub2 installed on gentoo as well right?
[03:30] <Buuntu> ajmorris, no
[03:30] <phillw> ajmorris: I'm not really up on grub2, but I know a man who is ;-)  have a look through the links here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7912932&postcount=2
[03:30] <Buuntu> ajmorris, lol, am I supposed to?
[03:30] <ajmorris> k, tks phillw
[03:30] <phillw> he's good, in fact, I'd go as far as to say - he's VEERY good :-)
[03:30] <Buuntu> phillw, thanks, that's exactly what I did - added an entry to 40_custom
[03:31] <Buuntu> ajmorris, am I supposed to install grub2 on the gentoo partition though?
[03:32] <Buuntu> ajmorris, yep, some guy on #gentoo just told me I have to install it on gentoo
[03:32] <Buuntu> ajmorris, I'm going to go try that now
[03:32] <ajmorris> Buuntu, well, in grub1, when you install another OS... you generally have gentoo installed for each partition
[03:32] <ajmorris> * grub installed for each partition i mean lol
[03:32] <ajmorris> yeah, i assume it would be the same for grub2
[03:32] <ajmorris> otherwise grub wouldnt be able to boot the partition
[03:32] <phillw> no, be careful about installing grub on each partition
[03:32] <ajmorris> phillw, you can install grub to a partition, without updating the boot blocks
[03:33] <ajmorris> im not talking about running a grub-install ;)
[03:35] <Buuntu> yeah, just install the package right?
[03:36] <ajmorris> yup
[03:36] <ajmorris> for grub2, you need to unmask it though
[03:36] <Buuntu> gentoo is confusing :S
[03:36] <ajmorris> i believe there is a hard mask in package.mask also
[03:36] <Buuntu> ajmorris, I did that, but I have no clue what it meant haha
[03:37] <Buuntu> ajmorris, just following this: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Grub2
[03:37] <ajmorris> out of interest Buuntu, was there a hard mask in package.mask for it?
[03:37] <ajmorris> or has gentoo progressed enough to say it doesnt need a hard mask now?
[03:38] <Buuntu> ajmorris, don't think so, this is what I had to run before running emerge: echo "<sys-boot/grub-9999 **">>/etc/portage/package.keywords
[03:39] <ajmorris> also, on that wiki page, you shouldnt really need to run the configuration steps... unless you wanna boot off gentoo's grub into gentoo and ubuntu... you can continue to boot gentoo and ubuntu from ubuntu's grub...
[03:39] <ajmorris> however, keep in mind, ubuntu's grub2 has been modified... and maybe its a better idea to use gentoo's and have it detect ubuntu
[03:39] <Buuntu> ajmorris, yeah, I'm stopping after installing it
[03:39] <Buuntu> ajmorris, well, that's the next step if this doesn't work
[03:39] <ajmorris> and nah, thats not a hard mask... buuuut, thats the command the wiki has? :O thats bad gentoo practice, whoever wrote that wiki page should be shot
[03:40] <Buuntu> ajmorris, by the way, what does /proc do? lol
[03:40] <ajmorris> you dont require an unmask of ** you just require an unmask of ~x86 or ~amd64 depending whether you have 32bit or 64bit
[03:40] <Buuntu> why do you have to mount that and /dev separately before chrooting
[03:40]  * phillw sorry, I had only glanced over this one, but is a sure PITA if you get caught by it, hence my warning about installing GRUB here, there and everywhere -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/576724
[03:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 576724 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Lucid grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion (affects: 18) (heat: 92)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:41] <paultag> Buuntu, /proc is a fake filesystem that is actually just forging kernel info
[03:41] <paultag> Buuntu, so when you cat /proc/cpuinfo it runs a routine in the kernel and gives you the output of that function as if it were a file
[03:41] <ajmorris> yeah phillw... ubuntu devs like to play with things... thats why i recommend to run gentoo's grub in the boot blocks, and run ubuntu off it if ubuntu's still cant boot gentoo
[03:41] <ajmorris> and Buuntu, /proc is part of the standard linux filesystem. it basically stores your system paramaters
[03:42] <paultag> Buuntu, all those numbers in there are running processes and info in the kernel about them
[03:42] <ajmorris> oh nvm, paultag beat me to it
[03:42] <ajmorris> lol
[03:42] <paultag> ajmorris, <3
[03:42] <Buuntu> *sigh*, why does gentoo take so long to install things?
[03:42] <paultag> brbz again
[03:43] <paultag> Buuntu, because it's compiling everything!!!!
[03:43] <Buuntu> it seriously takes like 5 minutes to install anything
[03:43] <paultag> brbz again
[03:43] <ajmorris> yeah, its a source OS... takes a while... but sooo worth it
[03:43] <Buuntu> paultag, oh, Ubuntu just downloads binary then?
[03:43] <paultag> yeah Buuntu
[03:43] <ajmorris> yeah, ubuntu runs of precompiled debian packages
[03:44] <Buuntu> yeah, I guess I knew that
[03:44] <paultag> brbz again
[03:46] <Buuntu> ajmorris, lol, it's still installing
[03:46] <ajmorris> haha
[04:17] <Buuntu> ajmorris, lol, I think it's stuck
[04:17] <Buuntu> ajmorris, on the last step
[04:19] <ajmorris> lol stuck? :O
[10:50] <smeag0l> hello leoquant how are you ? long time ;)
[12:18] <duanedesign> good morning!
[12:44] <ikt> heya duanedesign  :)
[13:03] <duanedesign> hey there ikt
[15:22] <Silver_Fox_> Hello/
[15:22] <Akos> hello Silver_Fox_ (:
[15:23] <Akos> you got back from CA? (:
[15:30] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Akos .  No,  still in CA
[15:30] <Silver_Fox_> Off to Mexico later
[15:30] <Silver_Fox_> How are you Akos  ?
[15:32] <Akos> wow, mexico great :D
[15:32] <Akos> i'm excited, i got invited to new york in the summer time
[15:34] <Silver_Fox_> Go for it!
[15:35] <Akos> oh i can't wait, last weeks of august \o/
[15:35] <Silver_Fox_> ;)
[15:35] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[16:34] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> how do I do this command for amd64: sudo dpkh - kvm_12-1_i386.deb
[16:36] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: You can't install an i386 (32-bit) package on an amd64 (64-bit) system. Also the command is sudo dpkg -i <deb file>
[16:37] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> is there a way to do it
[16:38] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you want to know if KVM will run on an amd64 system? Yes, it will. Do you want to know if you can install 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit system? No, you can't.
[16:38] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[16:40] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok thanks
[16:41] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I am trying to get plan9 to run as a virtual machine
[16:41] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Is there any particular reason you're using KVM? Other virtualization options (such as VirtualBox) are much easier to set up and manage.
[16:42] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> vbox will not run it tried
[16:43] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: http://superuser.com/questions/79960/has-anyone-gotten-plan9-working-in-virtualbox
[16:45] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> tried that to
[16:46] <phillw1> 32 bit programmes should run happily on 64bit systems - just not the other way round? that includes things like kernels applications etc.
[16:48] <Chesamo> phillw1: I thought it was an issue with certain variable sizes and addresses, etc... So 32-bit programs would need some kind of wrapper (something like WoW in Vista) to translate the 32-bit instructions for a 64-bit system.
[16:50] <phillw1> 64 bit systems have all the 32 bit commands, with more added. But I could be wrong. AFAIK it is the use of these additional commands that mean it is better to run a 64 bit version where one exists, but not mandatory.
[16:51] <phillw1> you can certainly put the 32bit ubuntu onto a 64 bit system, and that's running some pretty basic commands to the equipment.
[16:51] <phillw1> basic == low level, i.e. addresses etc.
[16:52] <Chesamo> phillw1: I was under the impression that it's not even that... like, a pointer on a 32-bit system takes up X number of bits, and a pointer on a 64-bit system takes X^2 number of bits. I'm talking down at the base code level.
[16:52] <Chesamo> phillw1: You're talking too low... CPU instructions yes, system/kernel instructions no.
[16:54] <paultag> Alright, alright
[16:54] <paultag> what are you two talking about
[16:55] <Chesamo> phillw1, paultag (now): http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534
[16:55] <paultag> phillw1, 32 big asm != 64 bit asm
[16:55] <paultag> Yup
[16:55] <phillw1> The AMD64 processor is able to quickly switch between 32-bit and 64-bit modes on the fly, thus small static 32-bit applications should work perfectly on a 64-bit system without any modification to either the system or the application. << as it states :-)
[16:55] <phillw1> libraries are another matter tho'
[16:56] <paultag> phillw1, because it has the 32 bit libs built against it
[16:56] <phillw1> so, i can run 32 bit progrmmes on a 64bit system
[16:56] <Chesamo> phillw1: We're talking about KVM though. Not exactly a little static binary.
[16:56] <paultag> phillw1, it has a set if 64 bit libs and a set of 32 bit libs. When the kernel switches to leg. mode, you need the old stuff
[16:56] <paultag> phillw1, it's literally changing into 32 bit for that process slice
[16:56] <paultag> phillw1, so it needs 32 bit everything, then the result is sent back to 64 bit land
[16:57] <paultag> that's what Linux does, anyway
[16:57] <paultag> IIRC
[16:57] <paultag> for instance, with 32 bit -- to make a syscall ( to allocate memory such as malloc )
[16:57] <paultag> you need to push the arg
[16:57] <paultag> and call int 0x80
[16:58] <paultag> with 64 bit, you can just do the syscall asm command
[16:58] <paultag> so if you try and run 64 bit on 32 bit directly, it won't work, just as 32 on 64 won't
[16:58] <paultag> but the 64 bit processors can still speak 32, they just have to be switched into 32 bit mode
[16:59] <phillw1> which they can do on the fly? So, virtual machines are a no-no if you have a 64bit kernel and only a 32bit version?
[17:00] <paultag> phillw1, you _can_ do it. Just make sure you have the 32 bit libs in place ( lib32 vs lib64 )
[17:00] <paultag> phillw1, but it's not pretty
[17:00] <paultag> but it can be done
[17:00] <phillw1> okies, thanks for the clarification
[17:00] <paultag> sure
[17:09] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> is there a way to make to desktop look like a cube all the time
[17:09] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: You mean the Compiz cube?
[17:10] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: The um... desktop-switching cube.
[17:10] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I have that set
[17:10] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Yeah, and is that what you want to see all the time? Because I'm not aware of a way to do that.
[17:11] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah it was
[17:12] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I did something once that made it look like a wall and stayed that way until I clicked on one of the windows
[17:13] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Something like OSX's Epos??
[17:13] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I guess
[17:15] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Look around in compizconfig. I believe there's an option for it, not sure if it's enabled be default. THe default hotkey is Ctrl+Alt+Up arrow
[17:15] <Chesamo> enabled by*
[17:17] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah if I use my mouse wheel it looks like a cub
[17:17] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> cube
[18:25] <praz> hi, I need some help with the wireless on a IBM Thinkpad T42 laptop running 10.04
[18:26] <Chesamo> hello Praz, I have a T42. What's up?
[18:26] <praz> installed the updates to get to version 10.04
[18:26] <praz> soon after the wireless stopped working
[18:26] <praz> not sure how long after the updates, or right after I upgraded
[18:27] <Chesamo> What wireless tool are you using? network-manager-gnome?
[18:28] <praz> not using any tool, not that i know at least
[18:29] <Chesamo> pratz: You must be, if you're using a normal Ubuntu install. In the upper-right corner, where the wireless utility should be, right-click on it and hit "About".
[18:30] <praz> NetworkManager Applet 0.8
[18:30] <Chesamo> network-manager-gnome then.
[18:30] <praz> oh ok
[18:30] <Chesamo> pratz: What do you mean by your wireless "doesn't work"?
[18:30] <Chesamo> pratz: Like what kind of symptoms are you seeing
[18:30] <praz> its not seeing my home wireless
[18:31] <praz> even the wired connection is not working
[18:31] <Chesamo> Oh, whoops, it's "praz". My bad.
[18:31] <praz> all the other desktops and laptops in my house can see the signal
[18:31] <Chesamo> praz: So your networking has ceased functioning altogether?
[18:31] <praz> Chesmo: no prblem
[18:31] <praz> Chesmo: yup
[18:31] <Chesamo> praz: missing an "a" in there ;-)
[18:32] <praz> Chesamo: ooops, sorry
[18:33] <praz> Chesamo: so yeah all networking is not working...
[18:33] <Chesamo> praz: Hm..
[18:34] <Chesamo> praz: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ paste the output of the Terminal command: sudo lshw -C network   into here. Terminal commands are case-sensitive; that's a capital C.
[18:38] <praz> Chesamo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/444740/
[18:44] <praz> Chesamo: see anything wrong?
[18:44] <Chesamo> praz yeah, the driver's not loaded.
[18:44] <Chesamo> praz I don't see your wired network connection though.
[18:47] <Chesamo> praz: Also, it's seeing your wireless card as a wired connection.... interesting...
[18:47] <praz> Chesamo: wierd
[18:47] <praz> Chesamo: I am looking for the drivers right now
[18:48] <Chesamo> praz: I'm not very good with networking support, but the networking section in the forum is fairly active: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336
[18:49] <praz> Chesamo: I think I need to update the HW Drivers. But I can't even get a wired connection to work so I am not sure how I am supposed to do this
[18:50] <Chesamo> praz: Your best bet would be to get the drivers onto a Flash drive and update them that way.
[18:50] <praz> Chesamo: ok, let me try that now
[18:50] <Chesamo> praz: The Ubuntu repositories are online to help you get the right files: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[18:51] <praz> Chesamo: not sure what I have to get from there
[18:53] <Chesamo> praz: You can use that site to get the "dependency files", or things that are required to be installed before the drivers can be update.
[18:53] <Chesamo> updated*
[18:54] <praz> Chesamo: Which ones does I need?
[18:54] <Chesamo> praz: I don't really know, networking isn't my bright spot :-(
[18:55] <praz> Chesamo: ok cool. thanks for the help though. i appreciate it
[18:55] <Chesamo> praz: No problem.
[19:24] <mcw> Yo!!
[19:24] <mcw> Good Afternoon
[19:24] <Chesamo> hello mccw
[19:24] <Chesamo> c/2
[19:25] <mcw> how ya doin'
[19:25] <Chesamo> er, squrt(cc)
[19:25] <Chesamo> I'm doing well, yourself?
[19:25] <mcw> good good
[19:26] <mcw> I was just in the forum and I noticed some people had joined my social group but when i tried to post to them it said I had to make 75 posts before i can send a message to people in my group???
[19:27] <mcw> I created 3 IRC channels 2 for my province and one just for fun
[19:29] <mcw> They want to form a loco team if there isn't one for our area
[19:30] <mcw> Chesamo, where'd you go?
[19:30] <Chesamo> mcw: Fell down the stairs and broke my neck, duhhhh :P No I'm working on a little project.
[19:31] <mcw> ouch
[19:32] <mcw> Chesamo, what kind of project???
[19:32] <mcw> nosy
[19:32] <Chesamo> mcw LiveCDs for ubuntu-desktop-minimal
[19:33] <Chesamo> mcw https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-minimal/+announcement/5988
[19:34] <mcw> noice
[19:37] <mcw> Chesamo, for slow computers or just more config choice??
[19:37] <Chesamo> mcw really configuration choice. It's sort of an optimized version of the normal Ubuntu install.
[19:38] <mcw> Chesamo, The more distro's and choices the better
[19:39] <mcw> Chesamo, I just tried Ultimate Edition the other day but found it too bloated
[19:39] <Chesamo> mcw: The normal version of that system is a BASH script that lets the user choose what software they want installed
[19:39] <mcw> ahh
[19:40] <mcw> Chesamo, My terminal kept crashing in it
[19:40] <mcw> don't know why
[19:40] <Chesamo> mcw: A friend of mine just wanted to get a Live version of it, so I built one. I'm open to other configurations as long as they stay within the ubuntu-desktop-minimal choices.
[19:40] <mcw> I lov eme some Ubuntu
[19:41] <mcw> Chesamo, I'm still learning
[19:41] <Chesamo> mcw We're all still learning ;-)
[19:42] <mcw> Chesamo, Ya if you ever stop I guess it's time to lay down and die
[19:42] <Chesamo> mcw Mmhmm!
[19:42] <Native_Pride> lol
[19:42] <mcw> I need more users here in my province
[19:43] <mcw> Too many damn windows users!!!!
[19:43] <mcw> scared to switch
[19:43] <mcw> I show them my system and they think it's neat but don't want to try it
[19:44] <Native_Pride> Hi everyone i'm new here
[19:44] <Native_Pride> and new to Ubuntu
[19:45] <mcw> Native_Pride, Hello
[19:45] <mcw> Na
[19:45] <mcw> Native_Pride, Welcome to the world of Linux
[19:45] <Native_Pride> mcw, hi there
[19:46] <Native_Pride> mcw,  thanx
[19:47] <mcw> Native_Pride, Do you like it so far??
[19:48] <Native_Pride> mcw,  yes but I am still getting use to it
[19:49] <mcw> Native_Pride, Allot to learn Eh?
[19:49] <Native_Pride> mcw,  there is
[19:50] <Native_Pride> I enjoy the cube it's awesome
[19:50] <mcw> Native_Pride, And it's different than windows
[19:51] <Native_Pride> mcw,  it is but there is way more to do on Ubuntu that cant be done with windows
[19:52] <mcw> Yes and some thing in windows you can't do in Ubuntu
[19:53] <Native_Pride> true
[19:53] <mcw> Native_Pride, Just games mostly
[19:54] <Native_Pride> mcw,  that's ok I like playing different games that I never got to play on windows
[19:55] <mcw> Native_Pride, You mean the games in the software Centre or in Synaptic pPackage manager?
[19:56] <Native_Pride> mcw,  software Centre I think
[19:57] <phillw1> tux racer seems to be popular game ;-)
[19:57] <mcw> I like Brutal Chess!!
[19:59] <Native_Pride> there is alot to pick from
[20:00] <phillw1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games has a decent list :-)
[20:00] <mcw> Native_Pride, There are also games not in the repository
[20:00] <Native_Pride> thx I'll try that
[20:02] <mcw> They need more 3d games
[20:02] <mcw> or to be able to run windows games automatically
[20:03] <mcw> beep beep...... beep beep.......
[20:03] <mcw> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[20:04] <phillw1> mcw: wine has a list of windows games that will run in emulation
[20:04] <mcw> on their website?
[20:04] <mcw> I'm still in the dark with wine
[20:04] <Native_Pride> wine crashes on me
[20:05] <Native_Pride> wine don't agree with me
[20:05] <phillw1> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[20:05] <phillw1> if you're running wine, use the beta version, not the one from the repos'
[20:06] <mcw> download from the website?
[20:06] <phillw1> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=93 is the ubuntu area for gaming, and http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313 has the low-down on wine with ubuntu
[20:08] <mcw> phillw1, do you have to add the repo key?
[20:10] <bin1010> hey guys, I am having trouble with updates....when I do a sudo apt-get update, I get:
[20:10] <bin1010> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8AD328D8A58BCAE3
[20:10] <phillw1> mcw:  http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb has the latest version, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=871535 has some information on it
[20:10] <bin1010> how do I fix
[20:11] <phillw1> bin1010: head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7172907
[20:11] <phillw1> that should get you up and running :-)
[20:11] <bin1010> phillw1: thanks
[20:14] <bin1010> phillw1: happy times
[20:14] <bin1010> :)
[20:18] <Native_Pride> will my windows games run automaticle now I have installed wine
[20:22] <phillw1> Native_Pride: you'd need to pop over to http://appdb.winehq.org/ for how various games work. they also have a forum over there, but I'd be tempted to stickwith the ubuntu Wine & Gaming one in the first instsance, and ask there if you get no replies from the ubuntu area.
[20:23] <Native_Pride> i have wine installed but I don't know how to configure it
[20:23]  * phillw1 I don't use wine
[20:25] <phillw1> the http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313 forum will have how to configure it all up, you can also ask questions and have those who use wine answer them for you :-)
[20:25] <mcw> phillw1, is there something better than wine?
[20:26] <mcw> When I opened configure wine it says windows xp under the tab
[20:30] <phillw1> if your machine is powerful enough, you can run windows within a 'virtual box', but wine is pretty good for most people.
[23:32] <josefrichter__> trying to install ruby thru rvm on ubuntu, but get this 'error running make'. any ideas why, please?