| robert_ancell | TheMuso, does syncing a new package from Debian require archive-admin permissions? | 00:25 |
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| TheMuso | robert_ancell: it requires an archive admin to do it yes. | 00:25 |
| RAOF | Until the magical “sync me!” button gets implemented, at least. | 00:26 |
| RAOF | Thinking of which... it's time to upload Xserver 1.8.1 + all the goodies. | 00:30 |
| lifeless | RAOF: oh btw | 00:30 |
| RAOF | lifeless: Yah? | 00:30 |
| lifeless | RAOF: please please please figure out how to disable the 96dpi pinning | 00:30 |
| lifeless | RAOF: I just went multimonitor | 00:30 |
| lifeless | and it really wrecks that | 00:30 |
| lifeless | my CRT != my laptop LCD in DPI, resolution or aspect ratio. | 00:31 |
| bryceh | lifeless, that's not X that's pinning it, it's gnome | 00:31 |
| bryceh | lifeless, and it's easy to change, just go to the Appearance system tool, and go into the Fonts section | 00:31 |
| lifeless | bryceh: how so? xrandr is showing it | 00:31 |
| RAOF | Well, it's actually X too, isn't it? | 00:31 |
| bryceh | there's an input widget for selecting a different DPI | 00:32 |
| lifeless | sorry, xdpyinfo | 00:32 |
| bryceh | RAOF, shouldn't be anymore | 00:32 |
| lifeless | bryceh: I've had my font setting set correctly for 10 years | 00:32 |
| lifeless | bryceh: when I set the mm in my xorg.conf correctly, and it gets ignored - even though the x and y sizes are reported correctly, I blame X | 00:32 |
| bryceh | xdpyinfo calculates based on the resolution and physical dimensions of the screen - you can check those numbers in your calculator to see what the right dpi is | 00:32 |
| bryceh | I don't think anything in X is "pinning" it | 00:33 |
| lifeless | screen #0: | 00:33 |
| lifeless | dimensions: 2840x1050 pixels (751x278 millimeters) | 00:33 |
| lifeless | resolution: 96x96 dots per inch | 00:33 |
| lifeless | thats weird too, let me unplug the CRT for a sec | 00:34 |
| bryceh | yep, that works out to 96 dpi | 00:35 |
| bryceh | so it's correct... still it may not be what you *want* | 00:35 |
| RAOF | dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters) | 00:35 |
| RAOF | resolution: 96x96 dots per inch | 00:35 |
| bryceh | thus the ability to override it | 00:35 |
| RAOF | Those dimensions are *wrong* | 00:36 |
| JanC | mine says: | 00:36 |
| JanC | dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (508x285 millimeters) | 00:36 |
| JanC | resolution: 96x96 dots per inch | 00:36 |
| JanC | and the fysical dimensions are incorrect :P | 00:36 |
| bryceh | dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (338x270 millimeters) | 00:36 |
| bryceh | resolution: 96x96 dots per inch | 00:36 |
| * RAOF suspects that something is calculating the physical size based on the resolution & 96 DPI | 00:36 | |
| lifeless | bryceh: so, in xorg.confg I have DisplaySize 261 163 | 00:37 |
| JanC | it's only 480mm wide | 00:37 |
| lifeless | bryceh: thats very different to 2840x1050 | 00:37 |
| lifeless | blah unit confusion | 00:37 |
| lifeless | thats different oo 751x278 | 00:37 |
| bryceh | RAOF, possibly | 00:37 |
| lifeless | bryceh: my laptop screen is 1440x900 - and 261mm x 163mm | 00:38 |
| JanC | so my screen is really closer to 100 dpi than to 96 dpi | 00:38 |
| RAOF | Well, my monitor is ~260mm wide, and the EDID is correct: [ 62.251] (II) intel(0): clock: 74.1 MHz Image Size: 261 x 163 mm | 00:38 |
| Tm_T | I has silly 92 dpi forced here | 00:39 |
| lifeless | and mine is 144dpi | 00:39 |
| lifeless | 96 is *waaay* off | 00:39 |
| lifeless | RAOF: what does your xdpyinfo claim | 00:39 |
| RAOF | I've already pasted it above. | 00:39 |
| lifeless | ahright\ | 00:39 |
| lifeless | yes, its wrong | 00:39 |
| RAOF | 381x238 mm | 00:39 |
| bryceh | on karmic: dimensions: 3840x1200 pixels (1036x324 millimeters) | 00:39 |
| bryceh | resolution: 94x94 dots per inch | 00:39 |
| bryceh | which is correct dimensions according to xrandr | 00:40 |
| lifeless | bryceh: check your edid output in the X log | 00:40 |
| lifeless | bryceh: my xrandr gets it more right than xdpyinfo, but xrandr doesn't report the dpi being reported to programs | 00:41 |
| Tm_T | I presume whatever you have set in gnome has it's own affect | 00:41 |
| RAOF | Yes, on GTK apps. | 00:41 |
| bryceh | DVI-I-2 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 376mm x 301mm | 00:42 |
| bryceh | dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (338x270 millimeters) | 00:42 |
| bryceh | that's xrandr and xdpyinfo from a lucid system... clearly wrong | 00:42 |
| * ajmitch sees that the correct dimensions are found in Xorg.0.log, but xdpyinfo says differently (and 96DPI, again) | 00:44 | |
| RAOF | I suspect we're talking about https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705 | 00:44 |
| ubot2 | Freedesktop bug 23705 in Server/general "xserver 1.7.0rc0 uses wrong dimensions" [Normal,Reopened] | 00:44 |
| ajmitch | I doubt my my laptop screen is 423 mm wide | 00:45 |
| bryceh | lifeless, you can add that ^^ watch on your bug report | 00:45 |
| lifeless | I haven't bugginated yet | 00:46 |
| lifeless | I thought it was widely known | 00:46 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Incidentally, this is what I was talking about at UDS when DPI came up :) | 00:46 |
| bryceh | hmm, if you look at xorg-server and grep on dpi you can see the history of this | 00:57 |
| bryceh | we carried various patches to force it to 96 for quite a while, but then finally dropped that (and later reintroduced it via gnome) | 00:57 |
| bryceh | it seems meanwhile upstream took the patch | 00:57 |
| Tm_T | I think forcing dpi something for all is silly | 00:58 |
| bryceh | that's kind of my opinion too, but I can see the point in having it forced since it breaks quite a few people. but I rather see it forced at the window manager layer than at the X layer | 00:59 |
| Tm_T | true that | 01:00 |
| bryceh | but maybe upstream knows something we don't | 01:00 |
| bryceh | RAOF, anyway you could doublecheck with seb128 that we're still having GNOME do 96 dpi and if so revert that upstream change if you'd like. | 01:01 |
| bryceh | iirc when I talked to the kubuntu guys they preferred to configure to not force to 96 dpi but you could doublecheck that with Riddell | 01:01 |
| bryceh | anyway | 01:02 |
| * bryceh goes back to NOT working on X.org for the afternoon ;-) | 01:02 | |
| Tm_T | bryceh: ye, and it's simple one config option if we choose otherwise | 01:02 |
| RAOF | lifeless: Incidentally, if you're using an external monitor I assume you've got one of those docking stations for the x201? How are they? | 01:19 |
| lifeless | no | 01:20 |
| lifeless | just plugged in | 01:20 |
| lifeless | RAOF: so, can you file a bug on this, as I've no particular interest in tracking all the bits | 01:20 |
| lifeless | just in seeing it work better ;) | 01:20 |
| RAOF | Does your x201 have digital output ports? That's the main thing lacking from my x200 | 01:24 |
| lifeless | no | 01:26 |
| lifeless | standard analogue VGA D connector | 01:26 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, can you sponsor nautilus, libwnck? Thanks | 03:41 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: sure | 03:41 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: uploading both. | 04:01 |
| * TheMuso -> lunch. | 04:01 | |
| ccheney | RAOF, x200 ultrabase has a displayport connector, i have one but haven't bought a displayport to dvi converter to use it with my monitor | 04:31 |
| ccheney | RAOF, the ultrabase is the part that snaps on the bottom that can hold another hd or optical drive | 04:31 |
| RAOF | ccheney: Yeah. I was looking at that. | 04:31 |
| RAOF | And while I'm in the “stuff I'd like to spend money on” store, a nice big 20+ inch monitor would also be high on the list :) | 04:32 |
| ccheney | i guess vga projectors are still more common than digital ones | 04:32 |
| ccheney | 20"+ monitors are fairly cheap unless you go for IPS (which is better and what i have), i have an old HP 23" IPS | 04:33 |
| RAOF | I'd have preferred Lenovo to go the Apple route - small, non-standard connector + adapters to everything. | 04:33 |
| ccheney | mini display port is actually standardized now and iirc free to license | 04:33 |
| ccheney | but i'm not sure if you can go from that to vga, at least cheaply since it would need digital to analog converter in the adaptor | 04:34 |
| ccheney | hmm actually its only $20 for the apple apparently so is not bad | 04:34 |
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| ayan | good morning. | 09:20 |
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| freud_ | hi all | 13:43 |
| freud_ | if i boot my ubuntu desktop without monitor connected i cannot get logon through VNC, only putty...any solutions? | 13:44 |
| fagan | freud_: thats off topic for this channel ask on #ubuntu | 13:45 |
| fagan | this is for development of ubuntu desktop | 13:45 |
| fagan | not support | 13:45 |
| freud_ | sorry | 13:46 |
| fagan | freud_: its fine :) | 13:47 |
| AnAnt | Hello, I have a question about XDG menus, an app. has those categories in .desktop file: Categories=Education;Literature;Science;Electronics | 13:55 |
| AnAnt | usually Electronics menu is not installed by default on systems | 13:55 |
| AnAnt | the question is, how can I make this app. appear in Science *ONLY IF* Electronics menu does not exist ? Otherwise if, the menu exists, it should ONLY appear in Electronics menu ? | 13:56 |
| fagan | AnAnt: it should just go into science main | 13:56 |
| AnAnt | fagan: meaning ? | 13:57 |
| fagan | if electronics doesnt exist it will just go into the main science part | 13:57 |
| fagan | it would go into electronics if it exists | 13:58 |
| AnAnt | fagan: it would appear in BOTH electronics & science if electronics exist | 13:58 |
| fagan | electronics is a sub menu to science | 13:58 |
| AnAnt | no, it isn't | 13:58 |
| fagan | anyway electronics isnt in the menu anyway so it doesnt matter | 13:59 |
| AnAnt | fagan: it is if you install extra-xdg-menus package | 13:59 |
| fagan | hmmmm then I dont really know id say it might have a link in both | 14:00 |
| fagan | like the way evolution used to be in internet and office | 14:01 |
| ccheney | Riddell, are you processing sync requests today? | 14:34 |
| ccheney | seb128, i saw you commented on my two sync requests saying it happens automatically but they haven't been synced yet and were uploaded to debian over a week ago, how often does it happen? i need those two packages for OOo | 14:36 |
| ccheney | er the latest versions were uploaded over a week ago, they had been in debian but not ubuntu prior to that also | 14:37 |
| ccheney | hmm nm, they used to be in experimental before then, so only been in unstable a little over a week | 14:38 |
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| ogra | didrocks, tickle | 16:04 |
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| didrocks | kenvandine: hey, desktopcouch which doesn't want to start on a fresh maverick alpha1, known bug? | 18:17 |
| kenvandine | yes | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | it doesn't like the maverick kernel :/ | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | if you boot the 2.6.32 kernel it'll work | 18:18 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: ok, no need to feed a new bug so :) | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | chad is working on that | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | :) | 18:18 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: well, it was working on the first 2.6.34 kernel | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | yeah, i think it was | 18:19 |
| didrocks | (as I dist-upgraded to maverick then and used it) | 18:19 |
| didrocks | but just reinstalled from scratch and just saw that :) | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | we think it is the proc digging they do to find the port | 18:19 |
| didrocks | ok, I just stopped at "I can't find the port" :) | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | yup :) | 18:20 |
| didrocks | they make some proc digging for that? | 18:20 |
| didrocks | how it works, | 18:20 |
| didrocks | ? | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | yes... | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | it is kind of ugly | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | and the regex never finds a match now | 18:20 |
| didrocks | oh bad :/ | 18:21 |
| didrocks | ok, hope that will be fixed easily :) | 18:21 |
| didrocks | ok, signing off again (and for good) for the week-end! | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | later! | 18:22 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: have a good week-end too! | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | you too! | 18:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, kenvandine: we have a bug about lpi being broken which is due to normal users not having access to proc entries it seems | 18:26 |
| seb128 | it's likely some new security thing | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | got a bug number? | 18:27 |
| seb128 | not sure if that can break the desktopcouch code | 18:27 |
| seb128 | pedro_, ^ | 18:27 |
| seb128 | no but I know pedro triaged some duplicates | 18:27 |
| ogra | didrocks, do you plan to still ship the 2D fallback UI in maverick for netbook ? or do i need to do some special stuff for armel ? | 18:27 |
| seb128 | or check with kees | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | i think that is the same issue then | 18:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: I saw the lpi bug but didn't read it (yet), ok, thanks for the notice | 18:33 |
| didrocks | ogra: well, I'm not sure for now. I would say "no" as the 2 interfaces are quite different | 18:33 |
| ogra | hrm | 18:33 |
| didrocks | ogra: we still can ship the 2 sessions (one une "unity" and one une "efl") | 18:33 |
| ogra | we need some similar behavior to the old way ... i.e. autodetection | 18:33 |
| ogra | for arm at least | 18:34 |
| ogra | the image will come without 3D support but there will be drivers you can install from a ppa or multiverse | 18:34 |
| ogra | i.e. imagine nvidia | 18:34 |
| didrocks | ogra: hum, ok, and can depends on which drivers is installed changed the default session? | 18:35 |
| didrocks | (just thinking…) | 18:35 |
| ogra | that would be best, yes | 18:35 |
| ogra | i think asac was working on a way to hook that into jockey | 18:35 |
| didrocks | ogra: for instance, there was a bug in an kernel update, people got fallback to efl and were puzzled | 18:35 |
| ogra | but effectively the old way we had in lucid was good | 18:35 |
| didrocks | ogra: it would be better, I still have my script to change default session. It's just about triggering it at the right time | 18:36 |
| ogra | ok | 18:36 |
| ogra | lets talk about that later (i currently dont even have images) the issue came up in a customer call today | 18:36 |
| ogra | if there is any way thats suitable i'm fine | 18:37 |
| ogra | and i'll happily take the task to work on it, i just wnat to have it on the desktop team radar that such issues exist | 18:37 |
| didrocks | ogra: ok, let's discuss in a week (I'll upload unity next week into maverick, the time to write MIR, seed it, and so on) | 18:37 |
| didrocks | ogra: and then we will concentrate on that :) | 18:37 |
| ogra | yeah, no hurry | 18:38 |
| didrocks | ogra: understood :) | 18:38 |
| ogra | will take me another week to even get images | 18:38 |
| didrocks | ogra: we still can retake my code for netbook-launcher in the worst case :) | 18:38 |
| ogra | or even two | 18:38 |
| ogra | since we're redoing our way of images completely for arm | 18:38 |
| ogra | well, the guys want uinity actually :) | 18:38 |
| didrocks | Laney: did you test banshee before syncing it into ubuntu? It's broken here FYI | 18:39 |
| didrocks | ogra: that's understandable :) | 18:39 |
| ogra | hehe | 18:39 |
| didrocks | ogra: do you have good driver now for it? | 18:39 |
| ogra | no, thats the point | 18:39 |
| ogra | they want to work it out during maverick development | 18:39 |
| didrocks | that would rock :-) | 18:40 |
| ogra | the HW uses GLES and nobody ever tested unity on that | 18:40 |
| ogra | there are roumors that clutter works very bad | 18:40 |
| ogra | but nobody has ever proven that | 18:40 |
| didrocks | hum, I never tried GLES, but I won't be surprized that clutter suffers on it | 18:40 |
| ogra | well, there are different camps ... clutter guys claim it works fine | 18:41 |
| ogra | (but have never proven it) | 18:41 |
| ogra | GLES guys claim its dog slow (but have never proven it) :) | 18:42 |
| ogra | its a funny situation | 18:42 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 18:42 |
| didrocks | well, testing is the only way to know, so | 18:42 |
| ogra | so having unity in the arm images and having the HW guys provide use a driver will actually get us some data :) | 18:42 |
| ogra | s/use/us/& | 18:42 |
| didrocks | sure, we'll see :) | 18:43 |
| ogra | thansk for your time :) | 18:43 |
| ogra | go back to work ! :) | 18:43 |
| didrocks | ogra: you're welcome ;) | 18:43 |
| ogra | and have a nice weekend | 18:43 |
| didrocks | ogra: well, today is off in fact, that's why I didn't answer you at your first ping | 18:43 |
| didrocks | just get annoyed by desktopcouch crashing, and then by banshee too :) | 18:44 |
| didrocks | but this time, /me out | 18:44 |
| didrocks | enjoy your week-end ogra | 18:44 |
| ogra | yeah, you too | 18:44 |
| didrocks | thanks | 18:44 |
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| asac | didrocks: do you know something about jockey? | 19:04 |
| pedro_ | didrocks, seb128, kenvandine bug 589656 ; kees is following on it now | 19:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 589656 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "help -> report a problem doesn't work on Maverick (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/589656 | 19:09 |
| pedro_ | (sorry was at lunch) | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | pedro_, thx | 19:10 |
| pedro_ | ah already discussed in the other channel ;-) | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | :) | 19:10 |
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| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, libgwibber for vala ftw! | 19:35 |
| kenvandine | got mono too... but it crashes atm | 19:35 |
| kenvandine | :) | 19:36 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: hey wait, does this mean an app like Pino could libgwibber? | 19:41 |
| rickspencer3 | jcastro, what would that even mean? | 19:42 |
| rickspencer3 | weird | 19:42 |
| jcastro | Oh I know it's weird | 19:42 |
| kenvandine | :) | 19:43 |
| jcastro | rickspencer3: it's like a library for twitter and all that right? | 19:43 |
| rickspencer3 | jcastro, right | 19:43 |
| kenvandine | jcastro, sort of | 19:43 |
| rickspencer3 | I thought Pino was basically a gwibber | 19:43 |
| kenvandine | it isn't complete enough for that sort of thing though | 19:43 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, you mean "yet" ;) | 19:43 |
| kenvandine | yup :) | 19:44 |
| jcastro | rickspencer3: I'm just saying, if I were writing a competing app I would use the library and make Ken do all the work! | 19:47 |
| jcastro | While I lay back and collect all the money! | 19:47 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 19:47 |
| rickspencer3 | jcastro, yup | 19:47 |
| rickspencer3 | but more to the point, you could add social features to your app | 19:47 |
| rickspencer3 | with just a few lines of coherent code | 19:48 |
| vish | seb128: hi , Bug #589450 might be a bug due to gtk csd , could you have a look at it? or whom should i refer it to? | 20:10 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 589450 in cheese (Ubuntu) "Cheese crashes shortly after startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/589450 | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | jcastro, btw all uploaded to the ppa... just waiting for the builders to get them | 20:24 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: awesome! | 20:28 |
| seb128 | vish, tag it gtk-csd | 20:30 |
| seb128 | vish, brastche will look at those | 20:30 |
| vish | seb128: cool , thanks | 20:30 |
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| didrocks | asac: well, enough to had a look at the code past monthes, but nothing too much in deep. Shouldn't be hard if required (but not before alpha2, I'm already full :)) | 21:17 |
| asac | didrocks: i have a question ... does jockey carry local data about pci/usb ids that have drivers available? or is that all online | 21:34 |
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