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akgranerhi all00:00
akgranerit's meeting time00:00
cjohnstono/00:00
akgraner#startmeeting00:00
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akgranerhere's the agenda for the meeting tonight - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100603/Agenda00:00
akgraner[LINK] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100603/Agenda00:01
Mootbot-UKLINK received:  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100603/Agenda00:01
akgranerand here is the blueprint from UDS00:01
akgraner[LINK] - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/community-m-fridge-and-news-team00:01
Mootbot-UKLINK received:  - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/fridge/+spec/community-m-fridge-and-news-team00:01
akgranerso attendance  - who's here for the meeting00:02
cjohnstonme00:02
* ZachK_ is here...00:02
akgraneralso just in case I am lagging - I am connected using my phone ...00:03
ZachK_i read ya just fine00:03
akgranerso basically I wanted to have this meeting to give you all some more information and also gather some information and see what everyone's thoughts were etc00:03
akgraner[TOPIC] - Fridge Re'org00:04
Mootbot-UKNew Topic:  - Fridge Re'org00:04
akgranerI haven't seen the new mock up yet -- but I am sending our wish list and comments from the mailing list forward00:04
akgranerI am of the opinion that The Fridge should look like a news site and not a blog  - but I could be the only one feeling this way00:05
akgranerany thoughts00:05
cjohnstonI agree... IF... we updated it enough to be a news site00:05
akgranerand that the Fridge should lead to all areas of the community etc00:06
cjohnstonIf the Fridge is only updated once or twice a week, then a blog00:06
akgranercjohnston, did you see how many times in the last 2 days it's been updated :-)00:06
cjohnstonyes00:06
cjohnstonbut it isnt always (most of the time is not) updated that often00:06
pleia2I think the goal is to continue posting to it a lot00:07
pleia2we've just been lean on volunteers00:07
akgranerthat means if you editors see things they think should be there  - we need to be nudging and encouraging one another to add them00:07
akgranerif I can't add it right away - then maybe someone else can etc00:07
pleia2for a while it was pretty much just nhandler and johnc's weekly UWN poss00:07
pleia2posts00:07
akgranernods00:07
* ZachK_ would like to help edit the fridge00:08
akgranerso things on devel-announce, or that effect the whole community, interviews, etc need to go there for now00:08
akgranerand when we get the WP site up people can start submitting original content00:09
cjohnstonI think we could have different sections... a loco section, a dev section.. a +1 section... stuff like that00:09
cjohnstonand someone who is in charge of each section00:09
akgranercjohnston, that's sorta the goal00:09
pleia2when we get to wordpress we can do that with tags, different rss feeds for each00:09
akgranernods00:09
ZachK_cool00:09
akgranerwhich leads me into the next topic nicely of that is ok?00:09
ZachK_topic 2 it is00:10
akgraner[TOPIC] - Re'org the newsletter00:10
Mootbot-UKNew Topic:  - Re'org the newsletter00:10
akgranerso as we are looking at ideas for the Fridge we are also looking for ideas on the UWN as well00:11
akgranerwhile the newsletter is popular as it is - there is only a handful of people working on it00:11
ZachK_akgraner: to what end?00:11
akgranerand while we are adding links during the week most of the summaries get written on the weekends00:12
akgranerwhich means people are spending 12 to 15 hours every weekend getting the newsletter out00:12
ZachK_which can be a drag00:12
akgranerwhat I would like to do is have people assigned to each section00:12
* pleia2 nods00:12
akgranerand some people can find the links and others can help write summaries00:13
ZachK_sounds good....00:13
akgranerbased on your time and talents00:13
* ZachK_ has a lot o' time and a lot o' wiki skill.....00:13
akgranerso how about I send an email with the sections topics etc that are needed to the list00:14
akgranerand to the loco-contacts00:14
akgranerand see if we can get some more people interested00:14
ZachK_+100:14
akgranerZachK_, awesome!00:14
akgranerWhat I would like to eventually see is most of the work gets done during the week and myself and a couple other people give a couple hours on Sunday and get it out the door00:15
ZachK_akgraner: totally a good idea00:15
akgranerand those sections would also be some of the same sections on the Fridge, but the Fridge of course would have more than what is on the newsletter00:15
akgranerbut I thought it would be a good start to iron out kinks in the process00:16
akgranerthought?00:16
akgranerthoughts?00:16
cjohnstonI agree..00:16
cjohnstonTry getting people to sign up for each section (maybe even two per section if the offers are there) and then have a couple people to clean up and do the last minute things on the weekend00:17
akgraneram I going to fast?00:17
pleia2sounds good00:17
akgranercjohnston, yep that was my thoughts exactly00:17
ZachK_Say five to ten people during the week pull in all or most of the info, maybe put it into the proper format, then on the last three to two days akgraner myself even and a couple others can put it up there00:17
akgranercool - sounds like we are on a roll - I would like to see maybe some people who are looking to contribute who maybe haven't gotten involved yet00:18
ZachK_that'd be awesome00:18
akgranerI have a couple of interview series they could start on and get to know the community00:18
* ZachK_ has some wiki guys who might be able to jump in00:19
* ZachK_ and me of course00:19
akgranerand some other non-pressure easy tasks just to get their feet wet so to say - so talk to your loco-teams as well please00:19
cjohnstonwiki guys arent whats needed... you dont really even need much wiki knowledge to write for uwn00:19
akgranerZachK_, most of the work as been moved to a google doc atm00:19
akgraner:-)00:19
akgranerso people don't have to worry about knowing wiki mark-up yet00:20
ZachK_cjohnston: yes but the writing skill is what's needed...00:20
akgranereasy to move stuff around, and edit00:20
ZachK_akgraner: yes i know...00:20
akgraner[ACTION] - akgraner to send info on what is needed for UWN to news-teams and loco-contacts list00:21
Mootbot-UKACTION received:  - akgraner to send info on what is needed for UWN to news-teams and loco-contacts list00:21
akgranerI'll describe what is needed as well :-)  wiki folks are still needed for stuff - getting to that00:21
ZachK_akgraner: when the meeting is over send me some links that i can give my guys k?00:21
ZachK_akgraner: email 'em to me..00:21
akgranerZachK_, k will do00:21
ZachK_thnks00:22
akgraner[TOPIC] - re'org News Teams00:22
Mootbot-UKNew Topic:  - re'org News Teams00:22
cjohnston+100:22
akgranerso this is probably the biggest issue in my mind - and maybe issue is the wrong word00:22
akgranerbut...00:22
cjohnstonbased on the discussion from uds00:22
akgranernods00:22
akgranerso we have a fridge editors team, a news team, and uwn team as well as a translation team in LP00:23
akgranerall part of the news team00:23
nhandlerakgraner: I meant to ask earlier, but why are we holding these meetings here instead of -meeting?00:23
* nhandler 00:23
nhandlerWell, right now, I would guess that most people don't view the fridge directly, and access it through the Planet00:23
nhandlerWhatever content we provide, I would still like to see rss feeds (or something similar) to allow people to continue to follow it in an rss reader00:23
nhandlerBut at the same time, we want this to be important news for the community. I don't think we should be posting everything that happens to be slightly ubuntu-related00:23
nhandlerThose have been making their way there for a while.00:23
nhandlerBut do we really want to be posting individual team meeting summaries?00:23
nhandlerWho is actually working on setting up the WP frdige? newz?00:23
cjohnstonwow00:24
akgranernhandler, I am getting all the information on who exactly00:24
akgranerand we want the Fridge to be "the" place for Ubuntu news00:24
akgranersorta the official place00:24
akgranerbut let me finish the topic we are on00:24
akgranerand I will circle back to that00:25
akgranerb/c mootbot-uk is here and not in -meeting00:25
akgraner(re meetings here)00:25
ZachK_lol00:25
akgranernhandler, I was asked to post those team summaries for cross-collaboration purposes - so that the community does not feel left in the dark00:26
akgranerand I am working with all the platform and design teams to insure we (the news team) are given the information that needs to get to the community00:26
cjohnstonI would think have a section for meeting summaries on fridge..00:27
akgranernods - for the new one yes - but for now we are working with what we have00:27
akgranerso re-orging the teams00:27
akgranerso I would like to get a handle on who is contributing00:28
nhandlerWell, one thing to keep in mind is that we are on Planet Ubuntu. If we are simply reposting all of this Ubuntu stuff, the Planet ends up with multiple identical posts. Should we continue to add the PlanetUbuntu tag to all of these posts?00:28
akgranerwho is just lurking - which is fine - b/c lurkers often b/c contributors :-D00:28
akgranerwho wants to do what00:28
* ZachK_ will do whatever is needed..within my abilities to do so00:28
akgranernhandler, I'll get back to that - one sec00:29
akgranerso teams00:29
cjohnstonakgraner: iirc, what we had discussed, is one team (and then a translations team) and everyone on the team was uwn/fridge?00:29
akgranerI'd like there to be the editors team00:29
akgranersorta00:29
cjohnstonOr was it an editors (uwn and fridge) and then a contributors (no fridge access)00:30
akgranerwe still need one team that is a list of active editors - for fridge and news team00:30
akgraneras those on that list will be the ones who are able to contribute to the Fridge00:30
akgranercjohnston, yes the 2nd one00:30
akgranerbut with a set process on how to become an editor to either or both etc00:31
nhandlerWell, do we want all UWN editors to automatically be fridge editors? They would definitely be good candidates, but I think it would be good to have a separate fridge editors team still00:31
akgranerso that's one thing00:31
akgranernhandler, no - I am not saying that should be00:31
cjohnstonakgraner: imo editors should be asked00:31
ZachK_nhandler: i agree00:31
akgranerI am saying we need to define a process00:32
akgranerthat's all00:32
cjohnstonnot a you do these things and your an editor00:32
pleia2I think fridge editors should still be separate since it's very specific access granted00:32
akgranerand not leave it to a guessing game00:32
cjohnstonmaybe minimum requirements.. but still should have to be asked00:32
akgranerpleia2, nods00:32
akgranerI like it to be a subteam of the news team00:32
* pleia2 nods00:32
akgranerbut I think if editors aren't contributing after say a year00:32
akgraneror some time - do they still have access?00:33
nhandlerWell, they recently added expiration dates to the fridge editors team to try and deal with that00:33
pleia2I think it's reasonable to expire people after a year of no posts00:33
akgraner(I know touchy subject)00:33
akgranerok we'll include that00:33
pleia2people can be gone for 3 months, 6 months, but after not contributing for a year it's a bit much00:33
akgranershould they have to sign the CoC or be Ubuntu Members - I am just asking00:34
ZachK_pleia2: agreed00:34
ZachK_akgraner: CoC is a must00:34
ZachK_imo it is00:34
pleia2akgraner: currently they have to be ubuntu members, I think that's a good qualification00:34
* ZachK_ is not....working towards it though00:34
pleia2we are trusting them with an official news source00:34
akgranerpleia2, yep - I am just going over it as a process here that's all00:34
pleia2:)00:34
nhandlerI also like the mentoring process that we have in place00:35
pleia2nhandler: yeah, me too00:35
akgranernods00:35
akgranerso News team - with a sub-team of Fridge editors00:36
akgranerand the translation team - now  - does the news team need to be limited to contributors or open?00:36
akgranerwhich is I believe the reason the UWN team is there00:36
cjohnstonlimited00:36
akgranerbut right now - UWN has people on it who haven't contributed for a while (year plus)00:37
akgraneriirc00:37
cjohnstonyes00:37
akgranerso maybe 4 teams are needed with 3 being cleaned up, defined, and as a subteam of an open news team which is how it is now00:38
akgranerI am just asking to make sure when all this is done it is documented and communicated00:38
cjohnstonIMO You have Ubuntu News Team... You must be considered a contributor to be able to join00:38
cjohnstonUnder that you have Trans and Fridge Editor00:39
cjohnstonthats all thats needed00:39
akgranerI am wanting to hear what everyone has to say00:39
cjohnstonand you can be a fridge contrib (when WP gets up) or uwn contrib to join news00:39
akgranerany other thoughts  - or does everyone feel the same ways as cjohnston on this00:40
cjohnston6 month expiry on News Team.. that way people dont contribute for a couple weeks and stop to show on their LP00:40
nhandlerWell, what would a fridge contrib team be?00:40
cjohnstonsame as the news team00:40
cjohnstonthe parent news team00:41
akgranerthose who send in story ideas or summaries00:41
akgranerbut don't post them directly to the Fridge00:41
akgranerwe want to encourage more people to contribute in all areas of the news team00:41
akgranerand mentor across the board - from html formats, to writing summaries, to contributing content00:42
cjohnstonthere is no reason to seperate contributors.. only editors00:42
akgranerand more00:42
akgranernods00:42
ZachK_true...00:42
akgranerjust trying to show all the areas where people can contribute without being an editor00:42
nhandlerThe only reasons to have a team imo are a) to grant access (like on the fridge) and b) to group people together to make it easy to contact people about things00:42
cjohnstonand IMO all reapprovals should be done by an admin00:42
akgranernhandler, yes but even that is not easy right now00:43
akgranerto know for sure who is active and who isn't etc00:43
cjohnstonright.. Ubuntu News Team consists of all contributors to Fridge and UWN... As well as the Fridge Editors Team and the Translations Team00:43
akgranerit's a mess at least for me when I am trying to find people to help with certain things during the week - and on the weekends00:44
ZachK_akgraner: ok so we really need to clean it up then...00:44
akgranerbut that could just be me - and if it is - then I can roll with it00:44
ZachK_I'd start with contacting the "members" and just saying you know, "If you're still with this team and contributing please let us know" if they don't respond remove them00:45
akgranernow comes the wiki part00:45
akgranerso with all the re'org'ing00:45
akgranerthat means the wiki's will need to be fixed as well00:45
ZachK_WIKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!00:45
akgranerZachK_, this is where I would like to lean a little heavy on you00:45
ZachK_sorry got excited00:45
nhandler          2b4f87aa:89aa29c300:45
nhandlerIgnore that, sorry00:45
akgranernhandler, no worries :-)00:46
ZachK_lol @ nhandler00:46
ZachK_akgraner: ok...lean on me00:46
akgranerso I'd like to come up with some new pages - but not put them in place yet just get them ready00:46
cjohnstondont lean with the hurt shoulder00:46
ZachK_cjohnston: +100:46
ZachK_akgraner: ok00:46
akgranerin maybe a /NewsTeam/New/ whatever00:47
ZachK_akgraner: google docs will be perfect for that00:47
akgranerthen once we've looked at them - and people have seen them - and can tweak them etc00:47
akgranerwe put them in place00:47
ZachK_akgraner: make a google doc with the format all set, info in there and we can figure out the title00:47
akgranerZachK_, yeah that will work for me as well00:47
ZachK_akgraner: I say a Google Doc because we can fiddle with it concering the info in the page and the title...less chance of messing up the wiki that way00:48
akgranerZachK_, I'll send an email next week  - and see who all wants to help00:49
ZachK_akgraner: ok...00:49
ZachK_akgraner: I'd get started right now if you wanted me to00:49
akgranerthen we can all get started on it00:51
akgranerdoes that sound ok to everyone?00:51
akgraneror does anyone have another suggestion on the wiki's00:51
akgraner[ACTION] - akgraner to send call for volunteers to help re'org wiki pages00:51
Mootbot-UKACTION received:  - akgraner to send call for volunteers to help re'org wiki pages00:51
akgraneroh and nhandler since you are really awesome at identifying processes and gaps if you could review and QA the new pages that would be awesome00:51
akgranersorry I am lagging00:51
akgranerand losing connection00:51
ZachK_akgraner: iphone?00:51
pleia2tsk ZachK_, n900 :)00:52
nhandlerakgraner: Sure thing. Just make sure you share the google doc pages with me and poke me when ready00:52
ZachK_pleia2: wha?00:52
akgranernhandler, nodes :-)00:52
pleia2ZachK_: no iphones here! we have linux based phones00:52
akgranerok we have 8 mins left00:52
cjohnstonpleia2: buy me one00:52
akgranernhandler, back to your points00:52
nhandler:)00:53
akgranerso - Fridge  - is meant to be the Community Information source00:53
ZachK_akgraner: correct00:54
* ZachK_ will be back00:57
akgranerand a path to all areas of the community, ubuntu, and canonical (as they are part of this picture as well)00:57
akgranerso the new Fridge will have many different areas00:58
akgranerbut right now we don't have separate pages for different items00:58
akgranerbut I heard from people this week who like the idea that we are posting even some of the same content that people post to the Fridge00:58
akgranerSorry - I lost signal :-(00:58
nhandlerakgraner: No problem. I can see that having that info in one place could be useful. But if we do that, I don't think we should post it back to the Planet00:58
cjohnstonmaybe remove the planet feed post from some parts of the fridge?00:59
nhandlerI think it is useful to repost important announcements, but for normal news that we repost, having it once on the planet is enough imo01:00
akgranerwe want to be a trusted source  - of Ubuntu Information  - a source that people know if they missed it on the Planet, or Canonical voices, or where ever,01:01
akgranerthey 1st thing they Think of is "I know the Fridge would have that information"01:01
akgraners/they/the01:04
akgranernhandler, that's any easy fix in my mind we just don't add the tag01:05
nhandlerYeah, it is more a matter of formalizing which types of posts should go on the planet01:05
akgranernods - which is all part of this re'org01:05
cjohnstonI think that discussion can wait until we get closer to going live with the new fridge01:05
akgranerwell we can get it all in place then tweak it01:06
akgranerno biggie :-D01:06
cjohnstonwhen we have a dev site to play with01:06
akgraner6-8 weeks I am told01:06
akgranerok it's almost 10 after - anything else? from anyone?01:07
akgraneranother meeting in about 4 weeks is that ok with everyone?01:08
cjohnstonwhen is 200?01:08
akgranerJuly 8th same time?01:08
akgranerJuly 3rd weekend01:09
akgranerI'll be posting more stuff in the channel next week about that01:09
cjohnstondo we want a meeting specific to that prior?01:09
akgraneras I will need some volunteers to interview some people prior01:09
akgranerI don't think we will need it01:09
cjohnstonok01:09
ZachK_akgraner: i'll help with that too01:09
akgraneras of right now it's only a handful of people working on it and we are all in the channel during the week01:10
cjohnstoncool01:10
nhandlerakgraner: You never answered my question about who exactly is working on preparing the WP fridge? Is it newz?01:10
akgranernhandler, I am told it is based on the new Canonical Voices theme01:10
cjohnstonnhandler: we dont know iirc01:11
cjohnstonbut not new01:11
cjohnstonnewz01:11
akgranerhowever, I don't know who is doing that yet...01:11
akgranerno confirmation on if its newz or not - but I have been given a couple names of people to touch base with next week01:11
ZachK_akgraner: ok i'm out..if you need me send me a memo via memoserv or facebook me01:11
akgranerso I don't want to say - x is working on it when they aren't01:12
akgranerso let me find out who exactly01:12
akgraner(and the new Canonical voices theme is not in place yet either so I haven't seen it yet either)01:12
akgranerZachK_, k  - thanks for attending01:12
akgranerso as soon as I know you all will be the 1st to know01:13
nhandlerGreat, thanks a lot01:13
nhandlerIt is good having a name. Otherwise, things tend not to happen01:13
akgranerI don't like withholding information - I'm all for empowering everyone01:13
akgranernhandler, yep :-)01:13
cjohnstong'nite all01:14
nhandlerAnything else to discuss?01:14
akgranerso if there is nothing else  - great meeting and We'll touch base again on July 8th, 2010 - 2000 UTC01:14
akgranernope - we went through it all for tonight01:14
nhandlerIf you add that to the fridge and email a reminder, I'll be there (hopefully) :)01:15
akgranerI'll get the logs and minutes out as soon as possible01:15
akgranernhandler, yep life got in the way the last couple weeks - sorry about that01:15
nhandlerYou rock akgraner01:15
akgranerthanks...01:15
akgranerand thanks everyone for a great meeting - I'll get everything posted as soon as possible and start getting information to the mailing list as well01:16
akgraner#endmeeting01:16
Mootbot-UKMeeting finished at 00:16.01:16
akgranerwhew  - sorry about all the dropped signal y'all01:16
akgranerok folks my arm is killing me going to get off here for a while - please feel free to email me if there is something you wanted to get included to the discussion and weren't able to ... :-)   akgraner   ubuntu...01:23
akgranerlogs are up - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings/20100603/Log01:44
=== akgraner changed the topic of #ubuntu-news to: Next Meeting: July 8th, 2010 @ 2300UTC | The Ubuntu News Channel - You report it, we publish it! Serving the Fridge, Ubuntu Weekly News, and other fine publications. | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam
akgranersorry folks I meant 2300 UTC not 2000 sorry about that...01:46
akgranersigh01:47
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ZachK_akgraner: ping08:44
ZachK_hello fellow newsies18:40
scott_evnewsies?18:57
scott_evwtf is that?18:57
scott_evah, thou9ght I was in a different channel19:00
scott_evand I'm not very bright...now I get it19:00
scott_evhaha19:00
ZachK_lol19:05
scott_evso, what's happenin ZachK_20:00
ZachK_scott_ev: not much..20:13
scott_evsame here.  bored enough to paint the cases that my embedded systems are in.  I find it strange that they would go to the trouble and expense to powdercoat these cases and use that old beige-grey color that every computer in the early 90's and before came in20:15

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