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robinetdThere's a guy named spaceghostc2c in #ubuntu-offtopic who trolls me and is generally offensive whenever he and I around at the same time.01:58
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from deathnight114)03:12
robinetdspaceghostc2c is being offensive again to multiple people.04:04
robinetdin #ubuntu-offtopic04:04
robinetdHe's been doing this every time I look at my monitor. Can someone confront him about it or something?04:05
Flannelrobinetd: I'll read my scrollback04:06
robinetdFlannel, Thank you.04:06
elkyI'm not seeing it.04:07
robinetdelky, How do you mean? Multiple people agree that he's blatantly offensive more often than not. He's called me stupid, a troll, and been a hypocrite in general each and every time I communicated with him.04:10
robinetdWell, he was at least informative when I asked him about spaghetti squash, but that's the exception to the rule.04:10
Flannelrobinetd: the most recent episode I think has more to do with you being sensitive to it, but I agree that he's has a habit of walking a line.04:11
robinetdFlannel, Normally I wouldn't mind, but it's been continued abuse all day. It gets frustrating.04:11
Flannelrobinetd: I encourage you to just let it slide in the future, because you needn't worry about what idiots say, and I'll keep an eye on him04:11
Flannelrobinetd: Aye.04:11
robinetdFlannel, Alright, thanks.04:12
elkyThat all started because spaceghostc2c told him he was wrong for something he was wrong about. Im reluctant to reward him for that.04:14
Flannelelky: If robinetd relaxes a little then he'll be fine.04:15
elkyIf he's going to be accusatory to spaceghostc2c every time there's a point of disagreement, i'm likely to agree with the labels he's been granted in response.04:15
IdleOneSpace can be trying at times indeed. He's my friend and gets on my nerves lol04:16
Flannelbut SGc2c does walk lines and goad people.  I have no idea whats going on between those two specifically.04:16
IdleOneWell I don't believe we are here to settle personal grudges but at the same time if a user is feeling harassed we should address it04:17
elkyIdleOne, yeah, but robinetd is more aggressive to sgc2c than vice versa.04:18
elkySo we'd have a hard time addressing it04:18
IdleOnewell we could just ask one to ignore the other04:18
IdleOneFlannel: tried that with robin but it didn't seem to want to take04:18
elkysgc2c is just being his obnoxious self, robinetd is just taking it all personally because it's a newly noticed thing and it's being obvious because of it.04:18
elkyftr, sgc2c gets on my nerves too, but less so since he's stopped asking for permission to go to sleep.04:19
IdleOnelol04:19
FlannelIdleOne: Ignoring is a bad solution, since it effectively just hides the problem04:20
IdleOnewell I meant more they could just avoid each other04:21
FlannelIdleOne: He's had it mentioned a few times aleady, it seems.04:25
IdleOnehe admits to it also04:26
IdleOneoh you meant space and robin04:26
FlannelNo, I meant blendmaster04:27
IdleOneahh well04:27
IdleOnenext offence should be a ban imo04:27
IdleOneno warnings, he has had enough04:27
=== IdleOne_ is now known as MaverickOne
ubotturww called the ops in #ubuntu (LinuxGeek keeps wandering in and out with rm -rf)07:04
Flannelsean is back.07:20
jussisean?07:22
FlannelGuest*07:22
rwwR3cur51v3's last in #ubuntu-offtopic appears to translate to rm -rf /*07:38
rwwI don't know how, but I see em -ef and a tr from e to r, so...07:39
jussisigh07:42
rwwhellwolf06 is being persistantly offtopic in #ubuntu08:16
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from hellwolf06)08:16
rwwhoho08:16
Tm_Thi08:17
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)09:31
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (19))09:31
ubottuFloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (18))09:31
jpdsBots Having Fun™.09:35
marienzit's possible they're testing the waters because we parted idoru from #ubuntu a short while ago09:38
marienzit looks like your bots in #ubuntu + idoru in #-unregged have them under control for now, but we're keeping an eye on things09:39
elky<3 idoru09:40
marienzshe took out one overly repetitive confused user too many, so we wanted to see if the channel could function without her for a while09:41
jussimarienz: ahh, awesome. do let us know how things go from your end09:45
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: !no microsoft is <sed> s/$/. Please note that "M$" makes you sound like a loony, and is not recommended./09:50
elky!microsoft09:53
ubottuFor discussion on Microsoft software, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents09:53
Tm_Tapparently he meant that string should be added to the end of it09:54
jussilol, rww is funny10:08
elkyyep10:10
marienzhe's right though, it does make you sound like one10:18
elkyflannel must have my blog post as a macro or something10:21
Flannelelky: I used the googers10:21
elkyheh10:21
elkymaybe i should put it over with my other PSAs and we can link it in the factoid10:22
ubottuIn ubottu, nyuszika7h said: 1+1 is equal to 211:02
ubottuIn ubottu, nyuszika7h said: 1*1 is equal to 111:02
bazhangthanks11:02
elkyheh11:05
bazhangGuest2978, hi11:10
bazhang Guest2978 (~root@117.200.243.14   <--- the root @ is banned in #backtrack-linux ; log off IRC, change to a different ident and then join #backtrack-linux11:11
Guest2978wat do u mean??11:12
jussiRight, so who wants to volunteer for something?11:12
jussihrm, itll wait.11:13
bazhangjussi, for what11:13
jussibazhang: sort Guest2978 out and then we can talk11:13
bazhangGuest2978, your account shows root@IP address11:13
Guest2978how to change to different ident11:13
Guest2978??11:13
Guest2978can any1 help be abt backtrak11:14
bazhangGuest2978, change the root by logging off IRC, quitting the irc client, then setting it up with something not root11:14
Guest2978???11:14
elkyalternatively, do the sensible thing and make a non-root user and don't IRC as root at all.11:14
Guest2978elky can u help me abt bt??11:14
bazhangGuest2978, quit IRC. change the root@ ident in your client.11:15
elkycould you use whole words rather than their abbreviations please?11:15
Guest2978bazhang are you a bot?11:15
bazhangGuest2978, I wish11:15
Guest2978i mean backtrak elky??11:15
knomeelky, he needs the instructions how to change his ident :P11:15
elkyno, i cannot help you with backtrack.11:15
bazhangGuest2978, in #backtrack-linux11:15
Guest2978ywat do u mean by day bahzang...my english is not gud11:16
bazhanghmm11:16
knomeuh11:16
elkyif he can't figure how to make a new user, i suspect backtrack isn't the distro for him11:16
bazhangthought my instructions were fairly clear11:17
elkyit depends. "ident" doesn't mean much when you consider xchat.11:17
knomemmh11:17
bazhangtrue11:17
jussiSo, volunteers...11:17
knome!ident11:17
bazhang!fail11:17
ubottuFAILZ!11:17
bazhanghaha11:17
knomebazhang, you can add the factoid so i won't fail again11:18
* knome coughs11:18
elkyjussi, i don't volunteer for things until I know /what/ i'm volunteering for.11:18
knomejussi, exactly.11:18
bazhangknome, for what? ident? is that really necessary?11:18
knomejussi, i'm not going to be your donkey.11:18
jussiI was wondering if someone would be willing to work on a wiki page for the operator tech guide, as laid out here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal11:18
knomebazhang, would make sense, especially considering what elky said11:18
jussiknome: you are resigning? awww11:18
jussi:P11:18
knomejussi, ;)11:18
bazhangknome, then suggest something11:18
knomeokay11:19
bazhangie !factoid is <reply> blah blah blah11:19
jussiI and the ircc  will be contributing to the document also, but if someof you would be willing to get some of it done, that would be great11:22
jussiJust put it as a sub page under your own wiki page and we will move it when its ready11:22
jussiso, Any volunteers?11:22
knome!ident is <reply> In addition to your hostname, ident is a part of the string you can be identified with at IRC. For security reasons, please do not use "root" as your ident. To change your ident, see ...11:23
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, knome said: !ident is <reply> In addition to your hostname, ident is a part of the string you can be identified with at IRC. For security reasons, please do not use "root" as your ident. To change your ident, see ...11:23
knome(bad english, but just a proposal anyway)11:23
bazhang!rootirc11:24
ubottuIt's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet.11:24
knomea-ha...11:24
knomebut no instructions on how to change the ident, if you HAVE to irc as root11:24
knomeor if your irc username just happens to be root11:25
knome(i've seen those as well)11:25
bazhangwell that would be every IRC client then11:25
knomeinstructions for the most used, eg. xchat and possible others that come preinstalled in ubuntu.11:26
knomeand irssi, possibly, since that's a oneliner here anyway11:26
bazhangquassel, irssi, weechat xchat, etc11:26
knomejust thought it would be easier to have a factoid. if you don't think so, feel free to describe the process every time11:27
bazhangsometimes it is. I myself don't know outside of xchat11:27
bazhangthat kind of situation is quite rare though.11:28
knomemaybe11:28
knomebut proven that it happens :)11:28
FlannelCould always just spend the time talking to the person instead of throwing a factoid at them11:29
knomeFlannel, true, but factoids are usually pretty great addition11:29
knomeFlannel, when you can help the user, and then just throw in a factoid with url, which has clear instructions11:30
knomeFlannel, makes life easier :)11:30
jussi!rootirc11:33
ubottuIt's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet.11:34
knomejussi, saw that already.11:42
jussiSo, any volunteers for the ops tech guide?11:43
* knome hides11:43
elkyFlannel, http://geekosophical.net/random/microsoft/ do with it what you will12:04
=== shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer
shadeslayerhi12:14
bazhanghi12:14
shadeslayercan someone tell me when the next council meeting is?12:14
shadeslayerill be applying for membership,so just need the info :)12:15
bazhang!derivatives12:15
ubottuThere are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), CrunchBang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #backtrack-linux)12:15
bazhangset an alias is !factoid is <alias> different trigger?12:15
shadeslayeroh found it in the  topic :P12:17
shadeslayerwell.. thats long gone..12:17
elkyshadeslayer, I'm pretty sure the IRC Council isn't a Regional Membership Board12:20
elky!member12:20
ubottuWant to become an Ubuntu member? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership12:20
elkyThe info you need will be on that page.12:20
shadeslayerelky: ok.. ill have a look again12:21
shadeslayerthanks :)12:21
jussi_yet_12:22
jussiWe just have to finish off the proceedural stuff12:22
elkyRight, so if he turns up at next IRCC he can apply for membership?12:23
jussinot the next one...12:23
jussibut soonish12:23
elkyIf not, then what I said was correct at this point in time. No use confusing him with such triviality12:23
jussiI said it after he left, to inform people in here that it was happening12:23
jussiOk, elky, knome bazhang etc I apologise. The operator guide has already been worked on! feel free to contribute though, if you feel something is missing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler/OperatorGuide12:33
* jussi grumbles at a poor memory and blames friday afternoon12:33
knomeheh, no problem jussi12:35
bazhang!tgif12:36
bazhangaww12:36
knomefail.12:36
jussi!fail | bazhang12:36
ubottubazhang: FAILZ!12:36
bazhanghehe12:36
bazhangI prefer the -ot one12:37
jussiand that is how that factoid was supposed to be used :P12:37
jussiwhich one?12:37
bazhang!fail-#ubuntu-offtopic12:38
ubottuFATAL Error: Operation succeeded12:38
knomejussi, it would be even cooler though if ubottu didn't say ":"12:38
jussiknome: yeah...12:38
ubottuIn #ubuntu, iguannna said: ubottu, this is my crontab for the sial user: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/Gk3QbXUa13:15
jpdsReally inappropiate nick in #u.14:04
ubottuwise_crypt called the ops in #ubuntu ()14:07
jussijpds: ?14:07
jpdsjussi: han<tab>14:07
jussijpds: why is that inappropriate?14:08
jpdsAlright, nevermind.14:08
gnomefreakthat is kind of inapporate nick14:10
bazhanghandjob?14:10
gnomefreakcan anyone give me an idea what is going on with kaushal and jungli14:11
gnomefreakbazhang: yes14:11
bazhanggoing to remove jungli if he does not stop14:11
gnomefreaki was going to remove both of them but whated background first14:13
Picibtw, I consolidated the two virus factoids.14:13
gnomefreakwanted14:13
LjLhi14:18
bazhanghi14:19
gnomefreakhi14:19
Tm_Thi14:19
Picihi14:19
LjLbazhang, do you think kaushal deserved that harsh warning of yours, first "jungli, kaushal stop it or you  will be removed" and then "kaushal, stay on topic or you will be removed"?14:20
LjLas far as i can see, he was being harrassed by the guy you kicked14:20
LjLand the harrassment wasn't stopping after the ops were called14:20
bazhangyeah. it had been going on for some time.14:20
gnomefreakLjL: i didnt see anything that looked that bad14:20
LjLgnomefreak: oh, you could understand the language jungli was using?14:21
gnomefreakmaybe i didnt scroll enough14:21
gnomefreakLjL: no14:21
bazhangvery nasty14:21
gnomefreakthats why i said keep it english :)14:21
gnomefreakah14:21
LjLok gnomefreak, i'm not blaming you for not acting on it if you had doubts about what was happening14:21
LjLit's just that well, most likely there *was* trolling/harrassment going on, so i was very surprised at the reaction to kaushal14:22
bazhangduly noted, thanks LjL14:22
LjLyou see, i've witnessed a few times now cases when op intervention didn't happen timely (and i don't necessarily blame anyone for that, it happens), and then when it happened there was imho undue treatment of people reporting it - while you can't be watching the channels all the time, you must understand that if people see no intervention, eventually they will get upset14:23
gnomefreakwhat language was it?14:23
LjLi don't know gnomefreak, probably hindi, but google doesn't translate it since it's in latin transliteration14:23
gnomefreaki was prompt and asked in here what was going on with the 2 of them14:23
gnomefreaksort of14:24
LjLgnomefreak, again i can't and won't blame anyone for not banning people right away without checking just what's happening. that's fine.14:24
bazhanghindi, very unpleasant14:25
LjLalthough perhaps i might suggest that something like "let me catch up with the backscroll, and meanwhile please stay calm" could be a sort of nice warning to give in cases like this? i was talking about this yesterday14:25
LjLbazhang: you *also* speak hindi? :o14:26
gnomefreakthat makes sense and i knew you wernt blaming me i just thought it a good idea on why i didnt do anything but warn14:26
bazhangLjL, nope, searched youtube/google for the translation14:26
LjLah ok, was starting to be scared14:27
LjLalright, see you later14:27
gnomefreakisnt he an op?14:28
bazhangnope14:29
gnomefreakoh14:29
bazhangquit like a year ago14:29
gnomefreakafter he left the IRCC or around that time (thinking i remember now)14:29
bazhangpuregnome wrecks gnome?14:31
Picieh?14:31
bazhangthat's what nyusicakal is claiming14:31
bazhangnyuszika7h14:32
* gnomefreak not sure what puregnome is14:32
PiciThat page does warn that you should look at what apt is doing before you let it do its thing.14:32
Picignomefreak: Basically, remove kubuntu-desktop after you've installed it on an Ubuntu system.14:33
bazhangjungli is back14:33
gnomefreakPici: yeah i was just searching for it. thanks14:34
bazhanggot him in PM14:35
PiciHrm.  Some of those packages on that list are a bit suspect.14:35
Picicdrdao is a dependency of nautilus-cd-burner which is a dependency of nautilus14:38
PiciIdleOne: poke, regarding puregnome wiki page14:39
Piciubottu: forget puregnome14:39
ubottuI'll forget that, Pici14:39
PiciLets forget the factoid until this is resolved.14:39
IdleOnePici: I copied that from the psychocats page. when I tried it it worked perfect14:40
IdleOneGood morning btw14:40
Picihi!14:40
PiciIdleOne: You tried removing kubuntu using the longgg apt-get remove command?14:40
IdleOneyes14:41
Picihrm.14:41
IdleOneI edited it to shorten but did not add any packages14:41
IdleOneusing packages-* for example14:41
IdleOneif it is suspect remove the factoid. I can give it another shot this weekend14:42
IdleOneand see what happens14:42
PiciAs much as I think that the guy in #ubuntu may have messed something up, I think we should just double check this first.14:43
IdleOneyes absolutely, not that I think psychocats is perfect but I have never had any problems with any of the help I used from that site14:44
IdleOnewait after running the long kubuntu removal command did he run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?14:47
bazhangjungli/puptodeb has been warned via PM to stop.14:47
Piciguh14:48
Picibtw, hiexpo said that he was quitting ubuntu.14:50
Picihes still on my hilight list though.14:50
IdleOnePici: heh he quits every other week14:50
bazhang<extor> exubuntu is a project to create a derivitive of Ubuntu using the extor desktop environment14:50
PiciI have a feeling that puptodeb/jungli isn't even using Ubuntu.14:55
ikoniajungli is known14:56
bazhangconcur. think this is just a continuation of earlier trolling14:56
bazhanghe admits as much via PM14:56
ikoniahis version doesn't suggest he's running ubuntu14:56
Piciubottu: remember puregnome15:02
Piciubottu: unforget puregnome15:02
ubottuI suddenly remember puregnome again, Pici15:02
bazhangthought it was unforget15:02
bazhanghehe15:02
PiciI always do the wrong command for that.15:02
Piciubottu: forget puregnome15:44
ubottuI'll forget that, Pici15:44
gnomefreak@login15:54
ubottuThe operation succeeded.15:54
gnomefreakok ubot4 doesnt know @login15:54
jpdsGood.15:54
gnomefreakyep @login fails15:56
gnomefreakan ubot4 even though i am logged in by ubottu ubot4 still doesnt know me15:57
PiciWhy should it?15:57
gnomefreaksince its in the channel it should so i dont have to come to this channel to login :)15:58
Picier. Why do you need to login to ubot4?15:59
gnomefreakPici: if i wanted to update/make a fact* i need to be logged in or i would have to come to -ops to do anything15:59
* gnomefreak guessing ubot4 doesnt have any ops things16:00
gnomefreakthings/commands16:00
Picignomefreak: Doesn't ubot4 just sync its factoids from ubottu like the rest of the bot clones?16:01
jpdsYep.16:01
gnomefreakPici: not sure it would i guess if i was noticed by it16:02
jpdsgnomefreak: It does.16:02
gnomefreakadd , as needed :(16:02
jpdsgnomefreak: If you want to feed things to ubot4, give them to ubottu.16:02
Piciubottu is like a mother bird16:03
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)16:03
Picia mother bird bot16:03
gnomefreakthere is no choice but to. I will set up an irssi alias for /msg ubottu than so i dont have to recall the spelling16:03
jpds# Sync bot database with master every 15 minutes.16:04
jpds*/15 * * * * ~/sync_db.sh16:04
gnomefreakbe back this burn is taking forever16:04
gnomefreakok alias is set. thanks16:14
jussiPici: we should have a factoid for that :P16:16
axy_davidok ami still banned_16:58
axy_david_16:58
axy_david?16:58
bazhangaxy_david, yes; do you know why you were banned?17:01
axy_davidyes i sweared17:01
bazhang<axy_david> hello am curently an bot so please watch your language17:02
axy_david_____17:02
axy_davidi didnt swear!17:02
axy_davidubuntu17:03
axy_davidhellooooo how much shoud i wait i waited 4 like 3 weebs!17:05
bazhangaxy_david, please read the channel guidelines and the code of conduct17:07
bazhang!coc | axy_david17:07
ubottuaxy_david: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ .  For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct .17:07
bazhang!guidelines | axy_david17:07
ubottuaxy_david: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines17:07
axy_davidok now im getting nowere17:09
bazhangaxy_david, could you please rephrase? I can't understand you17:10
Tm_Tbazhang: apparently no18:00
Pici13:51:28 <?drizzt_> stop making brothel here plz18:52
Picio.O18:52

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